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For everyone thinking about making acoustic panels, use plastic foil between the fabric and the absorption material, you really dont wanna inhale those particles. This will also allow to use more breathable mesh like fabrics which will improve the performance. And if you think that the plastic foil will ruin the acoustic performances try wrapping your speaker with plastic foil and youll realize that it only affects the really highs like 10-20khz which isnt the region you want to absorb anyway. Ive made hundreds of acoustic panels and this is just something I wanted to share! Take carr
I used an idea from another video and got that weed guard material you would put in your garden. Keeps the insulation from poking through the fabric nicely and it's still breathable enough fro effective absorbtion.
Is plastic foil the same as Cling wrap, like glad wrap? Do you put it both sides? like you mentioned I was told that sealing them with something that isn't breathable would cause reflections, but you've built 100's.
@@imnotjacob. Yeah you can use glad or cling wrap, I prefer industrial plastic foil like the ones shipping companies spin their packages in just because the sheets are bigger. I suggest you wrap the whole thing rather than a specific side 👍
Maybe a little late, but... There is also an issue that anyone rarely talks about. While I believe you can deal with particles even without plastic film - I'm not sure it will help against phenol and formaldehyde vapor (the binding component). Yes, it does vaporize over time. If only companies provided detailed information about concentration and migration rate into atmosphere. Would be a shame to die from cancer.
Make sure to wear gloves and a mask when working with Rockwool. Also, make sure to wrap both the front and the back in fabric so you don't get rockwool particles in your room for the long run. A good, cheap material to seal the back is garden landscaping mesh. You can buy a big roll of it and double it up to cover the back. For anyone wanting to try this, it doesn't have to look as handy and pro as it does in this video. It's just sticking insulation in your room and framing/wrapping it to protect your skin/lungs from the insulation fibers.
Landscaping mesh is not going to keep tiny particles in. I recommend Craft Felt, it is inexpensive and looks nice, and is much better at keeping dust in.
@@LuisCasstle Or just wrap a few layers of inexpensive kitchen foil around it the wool part and then you can cover it up with any fabric of your choice :)
Timestamps if ya want them: 0:00 Intro + FL Studio Giveaway 1:39 Click here if you like music :) 1:50 What is the panel made of? 2:53 Making the Wooden Frames 3:45 Lining with fabric + top tip to save £$ 4:56 Fitting the insulation and wood for a professional finish 5:26 Unique air gap design feature for fitting and function 6:07 Final Panel Design 6:30 Fitting to the wall securely with more air gap 6:55 Fitting the Ceiling Cloud - It's super strong 7:17 Cheeky Monkey 7:21 Panel placement for optimal room acoustics 7:42 Installing LED lights 8:41 What about the windows??? 8:49 My Favourite Sound Absorption device ;) 9:05 Extra Steps with room accessories 9:25 Wooden Wall Diffusion 9:46 Cost per panel and total for the room 10:04 Outro - Thanks for watching
Seriously.....You inspired me to do this by myself and cleared my vision of what to do and what not to....just a day back i was thinking and tired of asking people to help in this stuff....u made it easier THANKS A TON!
I’ve use the Roxul insulation in several panels, ceilings and walls in a few studios (at first I was using fibreglass insulation - yuck!) and there are a couple of things I find that works very well. The first thing is that when you are cutting it, it’s worth it to buy an electric carving knife to cut it up with, if you don’t have one and the second thing is that if you wrap it with landscape fabric, you have something that will help stop the particles from escaping and you can even double it up if you’re worried about it, but it is acoustically transparent and cheap to buy. I wrap the insulation front and back. In my 4 decades of studio ownership in a few studios, these little notes have proven to be very worthwhile. Your studio will always need some kind of ventilation, so even if it is by opening a door and a window, the air in the room can get really stale. I can remember my early studio days, when you walked out of the studio and when you come back in, you are bombarded by moist, stale air and that familiar smell of recording tape. If there is anything offgassing in the room, so you want to exchange that air ASAP, yet having a built-in studio HVAC system is a luxury most small studios can’t afford.
Air gap only works when it's between the panel and the wall. Gaps around the edges reduce the efficacy of your low frequency absorption. This is because low frequencies are omni directional and therefore will find their way through any pinhole sized gap they encounter, Any frequencies which make their way through the gap at the sides will not be absorbed by the rockwool. When people talk about adding an air gap behind the panel, they are doing this because absorber panels like this work by stopping or reducing the velocity of the sound wave. At the hard boundary like a wall or ceiling where the wave strikes the surface and reflects back to the room the velocity is at or near zero.. so bumping the panel a few inches out from the wall will vastly improve absorption at all frequencies because the panel is "catching" the sound wave before it hits the wall and then again as any remaining frequencies reflect back into the room. By having a gap you essentially catch the sound wave two times, once as it enters the panel and again as it tries to reflect back out. If you leave a gap around the sides you are giving sound waves a side door to avoid the absorbing material. Otherwise good job.
thanks. I have found that they are performing well with the current setup. I have a gap between the back of the panel and the wall and that seems to be doing the job well.
Looks really nice to me. One idea I had is that you could have built the absorption right into your walls, so you wouldn't need to build any (or many) panels. So, like at 2:00 in your video once you'd put the complete outer layer of rockwool. At that point you could have put the wood paneling on the places you want to be reflective and simply used batting and fabric for the places you want to be absorptive. Maybe that would not have worked well when it's really cold outside, not sure. -- Another problem with my idea is when you go to sell your house, having fabric sections instead of walls. -- But it would have saved a lot of work and given you a sleeker, more professional look. -- But great job!
Hey thanks very much :) Yeah I did think about just putting fabric over certain sections of the walls as It would definitely have saved time if I could find a way to do it simply but the more I developed the idea in my mind the more problems began to appear. 1. It would have been challenging to get a finish that I was happy with as the walls would have stuck out in certain sections where I covered the insulation with plywood or tongue and groove and I would have been restricted to using the wall studs for the joins. 2. by building the panels this way i can take them with me if I move studios or my setup in the future, I can also take them off and move them about if I need. 3. Like you mentioned, THE COLD!"!! haha- it was -23 degrees Celsius here this winter so the more thickness the better. 4. Sound proofing, Quite a lot of sound gets out and comes in already so any less material and it could start being a problem. 5. The AIR GAP - for some reason the waves seem more effectively absorbed when the absorbing material has an air gap between it and the wall (I'm not absolutely certain about this but it seems to hold true so far) especially as I didn't opt for the room within a room design that is popular. 6. The bass traps more or less needed to be built with those shapes and dimensions and so it wasn't too much more work to do the others along with the bass traps I definitely think it's a viable option, I have seen setups like Colt Capperune where the wall is almost entirely fabric on top of acoustic foam. I just decided against it this time but I may well try in the future. Thanks again Kobi :)
@@iambradarthur very good! You clearly thought about it a lot and you did a great job. Your room looks really great. -- I just finished a similar project in my room, although my room was already finished with drywall by the prior owner of the house. I opted to use more freestanding/stackable panels, like gobos, so I can use them both for recording, and then move them into different positions for mixing. I also tried to make my panels have two sides, one purely absorptive and the other partially reflective (of the highs and upper mids, while still trapping lows - more for recording). I learned that by simply putting a piece of heavy brown paper in between the rockwool and the fabric, that side of the panel has a different character. It's cool that you can put your nose up to the panel, sing, and hear what it sounds like. I had a lot of fun making this stuff and I can tell you did too. -- Thanks for you detailed reply. I like learning from other people's projects.
I like your double frame idea and the corner pieces angled -- simple -- and nice -- doing a studio rebuild in Mar -- so getting things fixed in my head now -- thanks HEAPS --
you should use light weight rockwool panel for acoustic treatment because high dense rockwool will reflect bass frequencies this will make your room sound dead in high frequencies
Holy crap man. The exposed ceiling joists is a brilliant Idea. I love that look and it seems super practical for hanging stuff. Could look even better by staining the exposed wood.
Well done demo and advice, Putting a panel like those behind my speakers and in a cloud above tightened up the bass instantly. More to come in my studio.
I love this video!!! Building bass traps sounds tedious and overwhelming sometimes all the planning it takes, but you make it look simple! I love the different design you went with the wood on the sides, and heck you're even able to use it as a shelf! That's so cool! You gained another subscriber! XD
Definitely doing this for my workroom/studio in my apartment, only problem is that one wall is just a giant 3m*3m window, what would you recommend using for that? Perhaps some nice thick and heavy curtains?
if u wanna damp the max. bass fq u have to take some damping material which has quite more than 5000Pa*s/m2 air flow resistance. and then it's getting much more expensive. ;) - e.g. an normal 200mm thick layer of "rockwool" with a max of 5kPa*s/m2 - which equates to a absorbtion coefficient of 0,6 at around 100kz. by using the same thickness of rockwool with 10kPa*s/m2 AFR u get an absorbtion coefficient of 0,6 at 78Hz... (we're talking about normal rockwool without any specific acoustic functions...) U see, it's quite a bit of a choice between the amount of money and the "needs" of your room treatment.... u can decide. I layerd two different porous absorber as seiling absorbing area - 150mm thickness and an coefficient 0,78 at 70Hz... this is phenomenal! All the best and keep up presenting hich quality content!
i kinda wanted to see how you linked them together (if you did at all) - I'm doing something similar, and I really want to find good solder 4 pin connectors, so I can just have wire running between them... and not solder them directly...
I'm not sure what you mean by linked them together? I just used small screws to link the wood together and staples for the fabric. then the LED lights have a sticky side.
@@iambradarthur ah, no I meant the led strips themselves. I got wire 4 connector wires to got from one to another (so I could cut it to the right length, but have been struggling to find proper connectors.
Did the foam mistake, and 1 it cost more then making the panels and like you said too much foam was bad was OK for recording vocals but was awful when it came to mixing. Panels 100% from now on.
Agreed, I mention and show towards the end of the video that it is a good option to do this. I have also linked studies in the description discussing the safety and risks of the rockwool overall.
You might want to test the room w REW, especially as sheets aren’t breathable material; they may be taking away from the rockwool’s absorption ability (sound is probably bouncing off the sheets more than you think, maybe!) tests will show what is really happening.
an advice, The approach to the listening position should be done leaving the longest distance behind your back, otherwise your early reflections will be more serious at your current point and difficult to control.
I worried that it would be a problem sitting this way instead of length ways and new I could change the setup if it wasn't working but so far it has been great and the overall sound has been well balanced and accurate to work with. i will keep making adjustments over time also :)
Do you need to cover the back of the absorbers? I've heard a bunch of people freaking out about breathing Rockwool particles? Also, the panels look dope. Nice vid!
yoo thanks very much :) You don't absolutely have to but it isn't too tricky to do and doesn't have to look pretty either as you won't see it so it's worth doing if you want. I did it for a few of them but not all of them. There are quite a few studies about the safety of rockwool and it seems neutral when it's not being cut or handled (it's a good idea to wear gloves and a mask when you're working with it) it's certainly not as dangerous as the previous versions of insulation and asbestos or fiberglass.
Loved this...thank you so much for the heads up. Just a quick one though... i'm so lost when it comes to the variants of Rockwool.. 1. I see R3, R4, R5, R6, Flexi, R45 2. I see 50mm, 75mm and 100mm 3. I see 3inch and 6inch. I don't know what's best for studio purposes Could you PLEASE help by breaking this down a bit more for us?
Hi, thanks for your comment. It really depends on the size and dimensions of your studio and down to your budget. I found the RW6 works best as it a convenient density to work with, cuts more easily and does a great job of absorbing the sound but I think pretty much any of them will work well, the lower densities might be harder to work with as they will feel thinner and more floppy. I have used RW45 in the past and it is a cheaper option than the RW6. I used the 100mm option as it is the same thickness as the insulation in our walls and will absorb a slightly higher range of frequencies than the thinner options. Ultimately any will likely be better than none. I hope that helps
If the cloth is on the outside hard to clean -- so I like your design even though uses more wood -- we are on a farm here so a lot of dust so great idea -- will 'steal' this -- thank you :)
It depends on which mic I record with and whether I have the window blinds down or not. I have found it sounds great when I set things up properly but I still get some nice colour on the tone of the recordings rather than a really dry/dead sound from too much absorption. Thanks Tux
Very nice and well done im doing several rooms myself in my house. Thanks for some ideas and inspiration. I just started thinking about doing this 2 weeks ago. I already have half of my living room now a theater room done. Next is my streaming studio. Very cool ideas u have. Thanks
Well done! I scanned through your video. Is there anywhere you specify what frequencies you were able to attenuate? Bass absorption is a huge issue and it seems every video about sound treatment fails to deal with bass absorption below 110Hz. If you fail to deal with this range, the mid and upper frequencies can become badly distorted.
Hey man, well done. So many vids with poor solutions for low end. For a future build, I would LOVE to see how you go about building your own diffuser. Thanks for this.
Thanks very much :) I am yet to put diffusers in place as I would want to measure the room accurately to determine which frequencies I need to treat most. Hopefully something I will get round to eventually
I would not use rockwool for panels. Rockwool breaks down over time and will pass through the cloth material, into tiny particles that you will breathe and eventually get very sick from. Rockwood is meant to be an insulator behind sheet rock walls and is not meant to have any acoustic value.
Really nice panels they look super clean. How was rockwool as a material? I've heard it can be quite tough to work with and the fibres can make it a bit suffocating
yes Bro a really nice job and the space makes its effect. but does it really make sense to do all this work if you then put the speakers near the wall where there is a window?
Thanks Riccardo. I did have concerns about the window but I new I could reposition my speakers and desk If i really needed to, now that I'm set up I have installed some thick blinds that cover the window for when I'm mixing and mastering, and have the speakers further away from the window wall on absorbing stands and overall the sound has been a nice balance to work with :)
it really depends on your ceiling but there are several ways. I left the roof joists exposed so I could easily attach a panel. If you can find the roof joists then you can screw a piece of wood to them as an anchor and then you screw the panel to that piece of wood.
On the back of the wall you need Diffusion no absorber. The room sound to death right now. do you have measurements results before and after installation?
@@TommyNation Only if you you are sticking to a Live-End Dead-End principle. But there's no 'always' about it and once all the furniture is in can you really assess if there it's worth it.
Has rockwool created any kind of breathing or itching problem for you so far ? Many people in youtube recommend not to use it. I am confused regarding what to use.
Nice work! I think you need to put your speaker away from that back wall. All the acoustic treatment in the world will not compensate for bad speaker placement!!
what thickness and density I should use for acoustic panels. I want to hang acoustic panels for my wardrobe as I want to convert it as recording booth and I come to know the fact that acoustic form is not a good idea for acoustics because it only absorb higher frequencies and I must cut lower frequencies for most situations. Your advice will help me for sure. 👍👍👍
I used the RW45 rockwool insulation and so far it has worked well. Many are choosing not to make specific vocal booths nowadays and simply treat their room and record vocals in there and it seems to work very well, sometimes even allowing for a more rich sound as it isn't too muted and dull from over absorption. I'm not sure of the size of your wardrobe but I have found that even using pillows, blankets and duvets can work really well as a simple minimal option. i hope that helps :)
No unfortunately I didn't have access to any of the testing kit, only the dimension room node calculator. i can safely say the rough test result for before was Echoey, and the rough test result for after was much more level. Just based on what my ears can hear. I hope to test it in the future but for now it is performing well :)
@@iambradarthur it's really a nice build!👍👍 and I envy you in a positive way 😉🙂 I was just wondering if it might be overly absorbant (too dead) though, because of the high amount of absorbers that will absorb all your highs and down to maybe 500hz. The wooden wall with the groove is only diffusing a very narrow frequency range, because it's a destinct, repeating form - from my curr6 understanding. Maybe you are interested in optimization, e.g. there is now a common agreement, that around 15% of total surface should only be absorbers. If you enjoy this topic, check out maybe audioholics TH-cam. They have recently started a webinar series with an acoustics expert. Anyway, sorry for rambling on - I just would like you to get the maximum out of your nice studio. Just trying to help 😇👍
@@iambradarthur Check out REW - its a free Audio Measurement Software, all you need is a good measurement mic. A Behringer ECM8000 is sufficient - it's 32€
I thought about setting up at the shortest wall and I knew I could do that if the current setup was problematic, but this current setup was more ideal for the filming and general use of the space. It has been sounding great to work in so far too :)
Wow nice job, that's a lot cheaper than I expected. Did you use rockwool for the bass traps as well and if so how good is it at absorbing those lower frequencies?
What would you do to soundproof your bedroom so you don't have noise going outside the bedroom but still be the cheapest possible while also it working great?
simply filling it with more dense things like pillows, duvets, carpet, blankets and furniture like a bed/sofa will absorb a lot of sound and the thicker your walls the less sound will escape, absorption is easier to manage than sound proofing (stopping sound escaping the room) a lot of that depends on the material your walls are made out of and how the walls are connected to the rest of the building
@@iambradarthur I got some 2" pannels and I'm thinking of adding an outer frame to use your hanging method so there's an air gap but since they are already built without a second frame i am worried the fabric tension will loosen from nailing, any recomendations?
Wait I missed the part where after you put the foam in. Did you create another wooden list to around the original list which are as tall as the foam or did I misunderstand?
yes, so you make the initial interior wodden frame, then attach the fabric with staples, cut and fit the insulation and then layer the outer wood around the inner frame
I don't have a specific one, they are pretty much the same thing as the rest of the panels but build with a 45 degree angle at each corner so that they fit snug against the wall, and you make them as tall as you need.
I loved your video, you've really inspired me to try it out myself! I also loved all the music throughout the video and I think it would be nice if you added the info in the video or at least in the description.
Awesome thanks very much :) I haven't released any of the tracks officially yet but when I do I will be sure to put them in the description. i'm excited to share them for sure!
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you're too kind Abi thank you :) it's really exciting and motivating to see the growth and positive feedback and I can't wait to share more with you and everyone here :)
Heya, should the panels be covered all the way around the front (leaving an open back) in order to reduce reflections on the wooden surfaces of the panels, or is that not an issue? Thanks for the video!
ideally you just want as much of the absorption to come from the front, outward facing surface and then an air gap between the panel and the wall. You don't have to line it with wood on the outside, it's more of an aesthetic option but you want to make sure the fabric covers up the foam or mineral wool
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For everyone thinking about making acoustic panels, use plastic foil between the fabric and the absorption material, you really dont wanna inhale those particles. This will also allow to use more breathable mesh like fabrics which will improve the performance. And if you think that the plastic foil will ruin the acoustic performances try wrapping your speaker with plastic foil and youll realize that it only affects the really highs like 10-20khz which isnt the region you want to absorb anyway. Ive made hundreds of acoustic panels and this is just something I wanted to share! Take carr
thanks for sharing :)
I used an idea from another video and got that weed guard material you would put in your garden. Keeps the insulation from poking through the fabric nicely and it's still breathable enough fro effective absorbtion.
Is plastic foil the same as Cling wrap, like glad wrap? Do you put it both sides? like you mentioned I was told that sealing them with something that isn't breathable would cause reflections, but you've built 100's.
@@imnotjacob. Yeah you can use glad or cling wrap, I prefer industrial plastic foil like the ones shipping companies spin their packages in just because the sheets are bigger. I suggest you wrap the whole thing rather than a specific side 👍
Maybe a little late, but... There is also an issue that anyone rarely talks about. While I believe you can deal with particles even without plastic film - I'm not sure it will help against phenol and formaldehyde vapor (the binding component). Yes, it does vaporize over time. If only companies provided detailed information about concentration and migration rate into atmosphere. Would be a shame to die from cancer.
Make sure to wear gloves and a mask when working with Rockwool. Also, make sure to wrap both the front and the back in fabric so you don't get rockwool particles in your room for the long run. A good, cheap material to seal the back is garden landscaping mesh. You can buy a big roll of it and double it up to cover the back. For anyone wanting to try this, it doesn't have to look as handy and pro as it does in this video. It's just sticking insulation in your room and framing/wrapping it to protect your skin/lungs from the insulation fibers.
Agreed, I have listed some safety info in the description of the video too.
Landscaping mesh is not going to keep tiny particles in. I recommend Craft Felt, it is inexpensive and looks nice, and is much better at keeping dust in.
@@LuisCasstle Or just wrap a few layers of inexpensive kitchen foil around it the wool part and then you can cover it up with any fabric of your choice :)
@@LuisCasstle craft felt as a layer under a wrap like weed stopper? Or just craft felt then boom your done?
@@sebek0311 This is ineffective as you then have a non breathable slab
Timestamps if ya want them:
0:00 Intro + FL Studio Giveaway
1:39 Click here if you like music :)
1:50 What is the panel made of?
2:53 Making the Wooden Frames
3:45 Lining with fabric + top tip to save £$
4:56 Fitting the insulation and wood for a professional finish
5:26 Unique air gap design feature for fitting and function
6:07 Final Panel Design
6:30 Fitting to the wall securely with more air gap
6:55 Fitting the Ceiling Cloud - It's super strong
7:17 Cheeky Monkey
7:21 Panel placement for optimal room acoustics
7:42 Installing LED lights
8:41 What about the windows???
8:49 My Favourite Sound Absorption device ;)
9:05 Extra Steps with room accessories
9:25 Wooden Wall Diffusion
9:46 Cost per panel and total for the room
10:04 Outro - Thanks for watching
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Probably the best acoustic treatment video ive watched on yt.
wow awesome thank you very much :)
Seriously.....You inspired me to do this by myself and cleared my vision of what to do and what not to....just a day back i was thinking and tired of asking people to help in this stuff....u made it easier THANKS A TON!
Man, that's absolutely beautiful! I love the natural wood look 😍
Thanks a bunch! Yeah I really love how fresh and organic the wood looks and feels :)
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I’ve use the Roxul insulation in several panels, ceilings and walls in a few studios (at first I was using fibreglass insulation - yuck!) and there are a couple of things I find that works very well. The first thing is that when you are cutting it, it’s worth it to buy an electric carving knife to cut it up with, if you don’t have one and the second thing is that if you wrap it with landscape fabric, you have something that will help stop the particles from escaping and you can even double it up if you’re worried about it, but it is acoustically transparent and cheap to buy. I wrap the insulation front and back. In my 4 decades of studio ownership in a few studios, these little notes have proven to be very worthwhile. Your studio will always need some kind of ventilation, so even if it is by opening a door and a window, the air in the room can get really stale. I can remember my early studio days, when you walked out of the studio and when you come back in, you are bombarded by moist, stale air and that familiar smell of recording tape. If there is anything offgassing in the room, so you want to exchange that air ASAP, yet having a built-in studio HVAC system is a luxury most small studios can’t afford.
Looks fantastic. Can you post some REW measurements or something similar so we can see the freq response a the mix/listening position?
I currently don't have access to that tech but if I can in the future I will :)
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Looks great. Hope you are still rocking on!
Would it be a good idea to make a “portable” trifold style booth with this design? Something to help a bit with vocal recording
Thanks for this, it was so easy to follow; I just have to crack on and try. You've built a beautiful studio.
thanks very much. Go for it and let me know how it goes :)
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Great video! I’m in the process of sorting my new home studio and this has been the best video yet, big up 👊
Glad it helped! thank you
Air gap only works when it's between the panel and the wall. Gaps around the edges reduce the efficacy of your low frequency absorption. This is because low frequencies are omni directional and therefore will find their way through any pinhole sized gap they encounter, Any frequencies which make their way through the gap at the sides will not be absorbed by the rockwool. When people talk about adding an air gap behind the panel, they are doing this because absorber panels like this work by stopping or reducing the velocity of the sound wave. At the hard boundary like a wall or ceiling where the wave strikes the surface and reflects back to the room the velocity is at or near zero.. so bumping the panel a few inches out from the wall will vastly improve absorption at all frequencies because the panel is "catching" the sound wave before it hits the wall and then again as any remaining frequencies reflect back into the room. By having a gap you essentially catch the sound wave two times, once as it enters the panel and again as it tries to reflect back out. If you leave a gap around the sides you are giving sound waves a side door to avoid the absorbing material. Otherwise good job.
thanks. I have found that they are performing well with the current setup. I have a gap between the back of the panel and the wall and that seems to be doing the job well.
Underrated channel!!! This was seriously so helpful and I could listen to you all day.
thank you very much Peter, I'm really glad to hear that :)
For real I really love his videos
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That Ecko hoodie tho. Major throwback lol. Awesome video!
haha i know right I have no0 idea where it came from. It's ace though. Thanks very much :)
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Great vid and great choice on Monitors! KALI AUDIO Rules!!
You know it! I ahve really enjoyed using them so far.
Nice! Like the lighting behind them for ambient light.
yeah I love it too, it makes all the difference
Awesome video Kobi! I also used bed sheets for my panels, it worked out wayyyy cheaper! Your studio and panels look great!
Awesome! It really does work a treat. Send me some snaps on Insta I'd love to see. Thank you!
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Looks really nice to me. One idea I had is that you could have built the absorption right into your walls, so you wouldn't need to build any (or many) panels. So, like at 2:00 in your video once you'd put the complete outer layer of rockwool. At that point you could have put the wood paneling on the places you want to be reflective and simply used batting and fabric for the places you want to be absorptive. Maybe that would not have worked well when it's really cold outside, not sure. -- Another problem with my idea is when you go to sell your house, having fabric sections instead of walls. -- But it would have saved a lot of work and given you a sleeker, more professional look. -- But great job!
Hey thanks very much :) Yeah I did think about just putting fabric over certain sections of the walls as It would definitely have saved time if I could find a way to do it simply but the more I developed the idea in my mind the more problems began to appear.
1. It would have been challenging to get a finish that I was happy with as the walls would have stuck out in certain sections where I covered the insulation with plywood or tongue and groove and I would have been restricted to using the wall studs for the joins.
2. by building the panels this way i can take them with me if I move studios or my setup in the future, I can also take them off and move them about if I need.
3. Like you mentioned, THE COLD!"!! haha- it was -23 degrees Celsius here this winter so the more thickness the better.
4. Sound proofing, Quite a lot of sound gets out and comes in already so any less material and it could start being a problem.
5. The AIR GAP - for some reason the waves seem more effectively absorbed when the absorbing material has an air gap between it and the wall (I'm not absolutely certain about this but it seems to hold true so far) especially as I didn't opt for the room within a room design that is popular.
6. The bass traps more or less needed to be built with those shapes and dimensions and so it wasn't too much more work to do the others along with the bass traps
I definitely think it's a viable option, I have seen setups like Colt Capperune where the wall is almost entirely fabric on top of acoustic foam. I just decided against it this time but I may well try in the future.
Thanks again
Kobi :)
@@iambradarthur very good! You clearly thought about it a lot and you did a great job. Your room looks really great. -- I just finished a similar project in my room, although my room was already finished with drywall by the prior owner of the house. I opted to use more freestanding/stackable panels, like gobos, so I can use them both for recording, and then move them into different positions for mixing. I also tried to make my panels have two sides, one purely absorptive and the other partially reflective (of the highs and upper mids, while still trapping lows - more for recording). I learned that by simply putting a piece of heavy brown paper in between the rockwool and the fabric, that side of the panel has a different character. It's cool that you can put your nose up to the panel, sing, and hear what it sounds like. I had a lot of fun making this stuff and I can tell you did too. -- Thanks for you detailed reply. I like learning from other people's projects.
I like your double frame idea and the corner pieces angled -- simple -- and nice -- doing a studio rebuild in Mar -- so getting things fixed in my head now -- thanks HEAPS --
nice one, i hope it has gone well :)
you should use light weight rockwool panel for acoustic treatment because high dense rockwool will reflect bass frequencies this will make your room sound dead in high frequencies
Holy crap man. The exposed ceiling joists is a brilliant Idea. I love that look and it seems super practical for hanging stuff. Could look even better by staining the exposed wood.
Yeeah man it;s been amazing to have them like that and I can't wait to get even more potential out of them.
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@@iambradarthur Is that drywall in between the joists? I couldn’t really tell
Well done demo and advice, Putting a panel like those behind my speakers and in a cloud above tightened up the bass instantly. More to come in my studio.
Right on!
Great idea on the bed sheets. I'm using that. Thanks.
I love this video!!! Building bass traps sounds tedious and overwhelming sometimes all the planning it takes, but you make it look simple! I love the different design you went with the wood on the sides, and heck you're even able to use it as a shelf! That's so cool! You gained another subscriber! XD
Glad you enjoyed it! I hope it goes well for you Miranda
Definitely doing this for my workroom/studio in my apartment, only problem is that one wall is just a giant 3m*3m window, what would you recommend using for that? Perhaps some nice thick and heavy curtains?
go for it, I hope it goes well. Yes I think some heavy curtains that you can pull over when needed would be great. will you be facing the window?
@@iambradarthur I have the same situation and i would be facing the window. Will the thick curtain work on that situation ?
@@SAZIZMUSIC definitely would. Thick curtains are great for acoustic treatment
@@McTrial19 Thank you very much 😊
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if u wanna damp the max. bass fq u have to take some damping material which has quite more than 5000Pa*s/m2 air flow resistance. and then it's getting much more expensive. ;) - e.g. an normal 200mm thick layer of "rockwool" with a max of 5kPa*s/m2 - which equates to a absorbtion coefficient of 0,6 at around 100kz. by using the same thickness of rockwool with 10kPa*s/m2 AFR u get an absorbtion coefficient of 0,6 at 78Hz... (we're talking about normal rockwool without any specific acoustic functions...)
U see, it's quite a bit of a choice between the amount of money and the "needs" of your room treatment.... u can decide.
I layerd two different porous absorber as seiling absorbing area - 150mm thickness and an coefficient 0,78 at 70Hz... this is phenomenal!
All the best and keep up presenting hich quality content!
thanks for sharing :) I will do , I'm really glad you found it to be high quality
i kinda wanted to see how you linked them together (if you did at all) - I'm doing something similar, and I really want to find good solder 4 pin connectors, so I can just have wire running between them... and not solder them directly...
I'm not sure what you mean by linked them together? I just used small screws to link the wood together and staples for the fabric. then the LED lights have a sticky side.
@@iambradarthur ah, no I meant the led strips themselves. I got wire 4 connector wires to got from one to another (so I could cut it to the right length, but have been struggling to find proper connectors.
Did the foam mistake, and 1 it cost more then making the panels and like you said too much foam was bad was OK for recording vocals but was awful when it came to mixing. Panels 100% from now on.
it's an easy mistake, I hope you got it sorted and are in a more optimal space now?
Nice work but i wud cover the back of panels and traps as you dont want to breathe with rockwool in a long term.....
Agreed, I mention and show towards the end of the video that it is a good option to do this. I have also linked studies in the description discussing the safety and risks of the rockwool overall.
Great looking studio and really nice traps! Thank you , quite inspirational!
Awesome thanks very much. That's great to hear
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Great job ! The LEDs are really an added value to your absorbers
Absolutely! I love them. thanks
Really helpful video brother…
Great stuff. Keep creating such videos 👍😊
Thanks a ton
You might want to test the room w REW, especially as sheets aren’t breathable material; they may be taking away from the rockwool’s absorption ability (sound is probably bouncing off the sheets more than you think, maybe!) tests will show what is really happening.
^^ This. Bed sheets, especially double layering them, is going to reflect some of the mids and highs. It's best to use a breathable fabric.
an advice, The approach to the listening position should be done leaving the longest distance behind your back, otherwise your early reflections will be more serious at your current point and difficult to control.
I worried that it would be a problem sitting this way instead of length ways and new I could change the setup if it wasn't working but so far it has been great and the overall sound has been well balanced and accurate to work with. i will keep making adjustments over time also :)
Do you need to cover the back of the absorbers? I've heard a bunch of people freaking out about breathing Rockwool particles?
Also, the panels look dope. Nice vid!
yoo thanks very much :) You don't absolutely have to but it isn't too tricky to do and doesn't have to look pretty either as you won't see it so it's worth doing if you want. I did it for a few of them but not all of them. There are quite a few studies about the safety of rockwool and it seems neutral when it's not being cut or handled (it's a good idea to wear gloves and a mask when you're working with it) it's certainly not as dangerous as the previous versions of insulation and asbestos or fiberglass.
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Finally kobi 1K sub! Great bro! Keep it up
ayy thank you Charles, I will be sure to stick at it :) awesome to have you here for this milestone :)
Loved this...thank you so much for the heads up.
Just a quick one though... i'm so lost when it comes to the variants of Rockwool..
1. I see R3, R4, R5, R6, Flexi, R45
2. I see 50mm, 75mm and 100mm
3. I see 3inch and 6inch.
I don't know what's best for studio purposes
Could you PLEASE help by breaking this down a bit more for us?
Hi, thanks for your comment. It really depends on the size and dimensions of your studio and down to your budget. I found the RW6 works best as it a convenient density to work with, cuts more easily and does a great job of absorbing the sound but I think pretty much any of them will work well, the lower densities might be harder to work with as they will feel thinner and more floppy. I have used RW45 in the past and it is a cheaper option than the RW6. I used the 100mm option as it is the same thickness as the insulation in our walls and will absorb a slightly higher range of frequencies than the thinner options. Ultimately any will likely be better than none. I hope that helps
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I found this really interesting, and helpful thank you very much.
Man, i think you should put the rock wool in tnt material because it can cause pulmonary problems on a long term
thanks. I have posted a variety of safety info in the description, and yes its a good idea to have the rockwool well covered
If the cloth is on the outside hard to clean -- so I like your design even though uses more wood -- we are on a farm here so a lot of dust so great idea -- will 'steal' this -- thank you :)
awesome you're very welcome :)
It looks very nice and clean!
i liked a lot indeed! 😊👍
Thank you very much!
So, I am not sure if you wanted as much reverb as you are getting in that studio, but there seems to be a lot.
But the Look is definitely 9/10 clean
It depends on which mic I record with and whether I have the window blinds down or not. I have found it sounds great when I set things up properly but I still get some nice colour on the tone of the recordings rather than a really dry/dead sound from too much absorption. Thanks Tux
@@iambradarthur when i do any recodring i like it as dead as possible. (I guess it comes down to personal preference. Tha ks for the prospective.
Very nice and well done im doing several rooms myself in my house. Thanks for some ideas and inspiration. I just started thinking about doing this 2 weeks ago. I already have half of my living room now a theater room done. Next is my streaming studio. Very cool ideas u have. Thanks
awesome go for it :) I'd love to hear and see how you get on :) I'm very happy to have inspired some ideas. Thanks for sharing
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Would it possible to get hands on the measurements/schematics of the bass traps? 🙏🙏
Well done! I scanned through your video. Is there anywhere you specify what frequencies you were able to attenuate? Bass absorption is a huge issue and it seems every video about sound treatment fails to deal with bass absorption below 110Hz. If you fail to deal with this range, the mid and upper frequencies can become badly distorted.
This is beautiful 🤩
Thank you very much
Hey man, well done. So many vids with poor solutions for low end.
For a future build, I would LOVE to see how you go about building your own diffuser.
Thanks for this.
Thanks very much :) I am yet to put diffusers in place as I would want to measure the room accurately to determine which frequencies I need to treat most. Hopefully something I will get round to eventually
@@iambradarthur I'm studying that very thing at college right now. Tedious stuff.
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I would not use rockwool for panels. Rockwool breaks down over time and will pass through the cloth material, into tiny particles that you will breathe and eventually get very sick from. Rockwood is meant to be an insulator behind sheet rock walls and is not meant to have any acoustic value.
Yes rockwool is potential dangerous long term ♋️ if unsealed … natural material suggestions?
Really nice panels they look super clean. How was rockwool as a material? I've heard it can be quite tough to work with and the fibres can make it a bit suffocating
yes Bro a really nice job and the space makes its effect. but does it really make sense to do all this work if you then put the speakers near the wall where there is a window?
Thanks Riccardo. I did have concerns about the window but I new I could reposition my speakers and desk If i really needed to, now that I'm set up I have installed some thick blinds that cover the window for when I'm mixing and mastering, and have the speakers further away from the window wall on absorbing stands and overall the sound has been a nice balance to work with :)
NIce :) and of course the rug really tide the room together, man
You know it! it's a really homely touch :)
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Dope studio build
ayyy thank you dude :)
wow amazing job and really inspiring! whats the best way to mount a panel on a ceiling?
it really depends on your ceiling but there are several ways. I left the roof joists exposed so I could easily attach a panel. If you can find the roof joists then you can screw a piece of wood to them as an anchor and then you screw the panel to that piece of wood.
Nice work man!
thanks very much
Nice job dude !
Thank you! Cheers!
Congrats on 1k subs! Been listening since Hybrid 😀
ahah thanks very much, the real OG for sure :) can't wait to share more with you
awesome series! has helped me a lot in wanting to get my studio set up! keep up the good work!!
Great to hear! let me know when you get it set up and send some pics :) best of luck to ya :)
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On the back of the wall you need Diffusion no absorber. The room sound to death right now.
do you have measurements results before and after installation?
Equally how do you know he 'needs' a diffusion if you have no measurement data.
@@lesterfalcon1350 you always have diffusion on the back of the wall, if not, it sound to death an flat, no life in the room then.
I find currently that its a nice balance between absorption and colour from some of the exposed walls.
@@TommyNation Only if you you are sticking to a Live-End Dead-End principle. But there's no 'always' about it and once all the furniture is in can you really assess if there it's worth it.
Has rockwool created any kind of breathing or itching problem for you so far ? Many people in youtube recommend not to use it. I am confused regarding what to use.
So far it hasnt been a problem for me but it is worth using safety gear when working with it. There is more info in the description
@@iambradarthur Thanks a lot 😊
What wood, amd with what treatment, do you use for the frames? Great video!
Love this set up!
Nice work! I think you need to put your speaker away from that back wall. All the acoustic treatment in the world will not compensate for bad speaker placement!!
Thank you, yes I have since improved the positioning and it makes a big difference
My biggest issue right now is how to hang the panels with a bigger air gap from the wall 😢 cant seem to find any vids on this
what thickness and density I should use for acoustic panels. I want to hang acoustic panels for my wardrobe as I want to convert it as recording booth and I come to know the fact that acoustic form is not a good idea for acoustics because it only absorb higher frequencies and I must cut lower frequencies for most situations. Your advice will help me for sure. 👍👍👍
I used the RW45 rockwool insulation and so far it has worked well. Many are choosing not to make specific vocal booths nowadays and simply treat their room and record vocals in there and it seems to work very well, sometimes even allowing for a more rich sound as it isn't too muted and dull from over absorption. I'm not sure of the size of your wardrobe but I have found that even using pillows, blankets and duvets can work really well as a simple minimal option. i hope that helps :)
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It's a beautiful room. It must motivate you to work and create in it.
It really is! it's been so inspiring to work in daily :)
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Isn't there a risk that the small particles of rock wool could be dispersed into the air?
So this is where you went. And I kept thinking, where did you disappear from in the mix. Great video.
ayy you found me :) great to have you here
good video. Can only seem to find RW6 in pallets though - any ideas on where to get in smaller qualities or alternative would be great thanks
hmm I'm not sure, I would just look for the nearest building merchant to you and they might be able to order it in for you :)
@@iambradarthur Is there another video to show the bass trap build please it's all so quick it's hard to see how they done etc - thank you
I made panels with 19mm MDF for the frame and 2mm mdf for the back, and stapled 2 layers of fabric
Great, I hope they went well :)
@@iambradarthur Yet to install on the walls ,will be installing tomorrow, but I did a test by talking between the panels, and they are fabulous
Update:- I feel like my room has become a closet the sound absorption is dope 👌
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thanks for that great explaining bro, rlly understand it well
Glad it helped! Thanks for letting me know :)
Did you do any acoustic measurements before and after?
No unfortunately I didn't have access to any of the testing kit, only the dimension room node calculator. i can safely say the rough test result for before was Echoey, and the rough test result for after was much more level. Just based on what my ears can hear. I hope to test it in the future but for now it is performing well :)
@@iambradarthur it's really a nice build!👍👍 and I envy you in a positive way 😉🙂
I was just wondering if it might be overly absorbant (too dead) though, because of the high amount of absorbers that will absorb all your highs and down to maybe 500hz. The wooden wall with the groove is only diffusing a very narrow frequency range, because it's a destinct, repeating form - from my curr6 understanding.
Maybe you are interested in optimization, e.g. there is now a common agreement, that around 15% of total surface should only be absorbers.
If you enjoy this topic, check out maybe audioholics TH-cam. They have recently started a webinar series with an acoustics expert. Anyway, sorry for rambling on - I just would like you to get the maximum out of your nice studio. Just trying to help 😇👍
@@iambradarthur Check out REW - its a free Audio Measurement Software, all you need is a good measurement mic. A Behringer ECM8000 is sufficient - it's 32€
Those bedsheets are quite expensive! At Wilkinson u can get them for around £4.50
why did u pick the largest ceiling part of the room instead of the shorter? shouldnt u place the desk and monitors at the shortest wall?
I thought about setting up at the shortest wall and I knew I could do that if the current setup was problematic, but this current setup was more ideal for the filming and general use of the space. It has been sounding great to work in so far too :)
@@iambradarthur thx for answering. Greetings from Venezuela mate, i like the way you approach this content
Outro song?
Nice work! How do your speakers measure in your room after treatment?
they have been really great to work with
May I know the density of rockwool you used? Thanks
@@winstonyeung1461 yes I believe it was R45 👌
You wouldn't have measurements for the panels would you? I'd really like to make these but don't have the ability to trial and error it myself.
Great video! But maybe you should sit further back in the room. Speaker need some decent amount of space behind them to image well.
thanks very much, I sit further back, pull down the blind for the window and adjust the speakers if I need to when I'm mixing and mastering :)
Wow nice job, that's a lot cheaper than I expected. Did you use rockwool for the bass traps as well and if so how good is it at absorbing those lower frequencies?
Yes and yes they have been great :)
Hey @Kobi, did you place your speakers on... yoga bricks?!
ahha I did actually and it works a treat :)
Since I watched this vid of yours, my KEF LSX just arrived and I did the same 😅
Works great 😂
Thx for confirming 😉
Hi! How about those kali audio lp6 maybe? Planning to buy the lp6 2nd wave.
I really like them for sure. It's awesome to work with them and I would recommend them
mind boggling stuff amazing dude
Thanks a ton, I'm glad you like it
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What would you do to soundproof your bedroom so you don't have noise going outside the bedroom but still be the cheapest possible while also it working great?
simply filling it with more dense things like pillows, duvets, carpet, blankets and furniture like a bed/sofa will absorb a lot of sound and the thicker your walls the less sound will escape, absorption is easier to manage than sound proofing (stopping sound escaping the room) a lot of that depends on the material your walls are made out of and how the walls are connected to the rest of the building
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@@laurabrown4675 don't sell me stuff.
Did the fabric moved or wrikled when you screwed the outer frame to the panel?
it was stapled pretty well so i didnt but I can see how it might if you arent careful
@@iambradarthur I got some 2" pannels and I'm thinking of adding an outer frame to use your hanging method so there's an air gap but since they are already built without a second frame i am worried the fabric tension will loosen from nailing, any recomendations?
watching u since u were with IN The Mix,love your studio man.Keep going & growing.
Big up, thank you :) I will do, excited to share more with ya
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Get this man to 2k boys
hahaa aaayyy thank you :)
Wait I missed the part where after you put the foam in. Did you create another wooden list to around the original list which are as tall as the foam or did I misunderstand?
yes, so you make the initial interior wodden frame, then attach the fabric with staples, cut and fit the insulation and then layer the outer wood around the inner frame
@@iambradarthur awesome, appreciate the reply :)
I am definitely going to design my own panels
Go for it, I hope it goes really well. Feel free to send me some pics on insta when you complete it :)
Muchas gracias Kobi. Excelente video, con información de gran valor.
De Nada mi amigo, gracias
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Do you have a video on how to make a bass trap ?
I don't have a specific one, they are pretty much the same thing as the rest of the panels but build with a 45 degree angle at each corner so that they fit snug against the wall, and you make them as tall as you need.
I loved your video, you've really inspired me to try it out myself!
I also loved all the music throughout the video and I think it would be nice if you added the info in the video or at least in the description.
Awesome thanks very much :) I haven't released any of the tracks officially yet but when I do I will be sure to put them in the description. i'm excited to share them for sure!
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Man, your studio looks gorgeous!
Thanks so much! glad you like it :)
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you're too kind Abi thank you :) it's really exciting and motivating to see the growth and positive feedback and I can't wait to share more with you and everyone here :)
Great stuff man!
Glad you liked it!
What is the ideal density if I want to treat the acoustic of my studio? I only have 60 kg max in my country would that work?
Heya, should the panels be covered all the way around the front (leaving an open back) in order to reduce reflections on the wooden surfaces of the panels, or is that not an issue? Thanks for the video!
ideally you just want as much of the absorption to come from the front, outward facing surface and then an air gap between the panel and the wall. You don't have to line it with wood on the outside, it's more of an aesthetic option but you want to make sure the fabric covers up the foam or mineral wool
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is there anyway u can buy it already built from somewhere?
I'm not sure actually, I think there are definitely places but it can prove to be very expensive as an option