those complaining in the comments below - did you watch to the end of the video?! (from 4.40) - she recalled the story of a coworker who didn't bother cleaning up the dogs because 'they're going to die anyway' which she thought was terrible, and thought to herself she can't 'abandon them now'. she then says she wants experimentation on animals to end, but whilst she knows they are continuing to be used she wants to be the one to look after them because she *cares* about them. she is literally ON YOUR SIDE. she is NOT your enemy. the argument that if no one did the job out of protest, the practise would end - no, facilities would just hire people who don't care, like that asshole with the dogs. social reform doesn't come about from giving hate to fellow animal lovers and protectors at the bottom of the institutional food chain. her job is hard, and sad enough.
Em hate to break it to ye it's illegal to sell non tested products. Products claiming " not tested on animals" uses ingredients already passed via testing on animals. That's why they don't have to test. Your product still has to be tested to be passed for sale on market it's a government legality take it up with them. Soon though computerized models will be used and trust me no one wants it more than the scientists but it's so expensive to install.
Those drugs are tested safe on animals and other methods. Even 88% of drugs passing phase I trials in humans fail in later stages - this is not something animal research can be blamed for.
Great video. Very informative and truthful - refreshing to see the bright and positive reality that is the use of animals in research. Where would we be without such amazing research? we'd still be dying in our 40's of treatable illnesses.
Bright and positive? You mean tiny cages, torture, genetical manipulation towards disease and a short life expectancy? How bright and positive that is! Oh my! Oh, by the way, ask the people of unit 731 if they enjoyed their time as lab rats.
Apart from the fact that animal research actually holds us back rather than advances us. We’re not the same, drugs work differently. Over 90% of drugs that pass testing in animals fail in humans. You’d actually be better off flipping a coin.
ive noticed that there are a lot of animal technician jobs available i just completed my animal care courses and im finding it hard to find any animal care related jobs but watching this video i noticed that the routines they do are exactly the same as the ones i do at collage i think ill apply for a job as animal technician or ill try to find an apprenticeship
So even though they are treated in a good way i DO NOT support animal testing under any circunstance. I wouldn't be Ok knowing that the animals i take care of are going to be for testing.
These people bring about an increase in animal welfare too. Let us not forget the countless drugs that are used to save lives everyday that wouldn't be about if not for these peoples work.
The fact that these animals don’t get to choose what they do, I worked in animal facility’s for over 6 years.. they use dogs to and they bleed every day In there cages… they deserve a better life and if you do this then you are responsible for your actions you are out to the blame.. (I work in these labs and they pretend to be nice but they are not but I am undercover in these labs)
What kind or research facility have their "technologist" handling animals without wearing gloves and a face mask. Have you ever heard of allergic reactions due to exposure to rodents or rabbits? By the way, research animals are not to be handled by anyone outside the research facility.
When I first released this video somebody else raised the same question. The facility is a university lab, the animals shown are apparently more content to be handled by bare skin than gloves - recognise scent of handler, and are not part of trials requiring a high degree of quarantine. Lastly, I believe allergic reactions are mainly caused by inhaled allergens. regards, Richard at UAR.
Thanks for your reply to my comments. I understand there may be a more "relax" set of rules in academia than other research environment but, protection to both the animals and their handlers should be a most. By the way, I'm allergic to mice due to continue exposure to the mouse dander, bites, scratches, and urine. If a drop of urine touches my skin, I flare up with red and white patches on my skin and start to have respiratory distress. Also, I was bitten by a mouse (it was the last drop on the bucket") and my thumb swelled in a matter of seconds with the previously described reaction. Due to my allergies to mice (and maybe to other rodents) I have to take Zyrtec for the allergy and carry an EpiPen with me while at work. I could be in a room full of mice and without mask and I have no problems, so is not the inhaled allergens, in my case.
l am completely against animal testing/cruelty/abuse. l work'd before in a shelter and srtopped working there do to the animals l had to bring in a specially room, after they were euthanised... could not do the job anymore and l felt very bad everyday so l don't understand how anybody whit a hart and feel emphaty can do such a job for such a long time and sleep's good at night. sorry for the bad grammar it's about animals, not grammar
If you love your fellow humans so much, why don't you volunteer to be tested on? I'm not evil because I don't believe people have the right to torture innocent animals. Why don't you educate yourself and find out how horrific the things they do to these animals are and then ask yourself whose evil.
Silver Carousel Human beings are actually make poor model organisms when it comes to scientific research. They take too long to grow up, take too long to gestate, vary too much genetically, etc. Regardless, you actually kill more animals feeding those humans than killing animals currently used in research. According to AnimalVisuals, it takes 1.65 animals to produce 1 million calories worth of grains due to animals killed during harvest. To raise a sedentary human to age 18, it takes about 7.8 million calories according to the Estimated Energy Requirements from the IOM. Therefore, you kill about 13 animals for every human test subject. To replace the current population of vertebrate test animals in the US, you would need to kill an additional 296.75 million animals above the number of animals currently being used (25 million). So yeah, you don't actually save anything by testing on humans.
im actually thinking of applying for this they seem to be well cared for and they seem to up hold the animal welfare act there living quarters are clean and if they get ill they receive vet care. it seems fine to me but i do kinda agree with you i think animals are more important than people
Jess Mynott Hi Jess, I'm editing a careers film for the Institute of Animal Technologists at present. I was very impressed by the folk I interviewed. They really liked their work and each other.
***** because testing on animals is going to happen whether she agrees with it or not so she might as well be there to make sure the animals have the best life possible. This is a very impressive facility, not sure if it's because it's in Europe or not but I've worked in some facilities where each animal was housed individually and not given any bedding, enrichment items, only given food, water and a steel grate floor. It was horrible. We need more caring compassionate people working in research to fix this problem!
Hopefully soon I will be trained up to be a trainee animal technician and then go up from there I'm not sure what kind of animal care related job I want yet but I believe that doing this will help me figure out what I want to do.
Poor babies, at least they are being well looked after before the experimentation/vivisection begins - that's where the torture starts. Of course this was deemed too unsavoury to show. I don't agree with animal testing, but I also don't agree with violence against the animal technologists/scientists who conduct vivisection. Peaceful protest, boycotts & research into humane testing methods are the way forward. Please visit tinyDOTcc / fq1jq to sign a petition against animal testing in cosmetics.
It's all just a big funding gravy train. Researchers job depends on constantly coming up with new experiments just to keep the grant money rolling in and to pad their CV, no matter how unrelated to human beings the research might be. Total pie in the sky, throwing darts at the board to see what sticks type of stuff. This isn't finding a cure for polio, this is cutting the brains of animals to try to solve depression/anxiety in humans, which we already know is caused by social issues like trauma, isolation, social media, etc.
@@JamezBnd007 I suggest we immediately stop animal research with very little application to curing human conditions, such as addiction and trauma studies, which have decades of social treatments backing them up. Are you going to do brain surgery on a human because they were sexually abused and turn to drugs to cope? These are things best treated with cognitive/behavioral applications.
This is an amazing facility! I wonder if it is because it's in Europe? Here in America there are some great facilities too. Facilities that give the animals the biggest cage possible, enrichment items whether required or not (mice and rats are not considered "animals" by the usda so their requirements are despicable) but sadly there are still some facilities that give the animals the bare minimum. These animals in the video are treated amazingly!
stella artois working in multiple research facilities, I doubt it. There are some logistical problems to your response. First, why would this facility have the enrichment items they show in the video if they don't use them? Do you really think they said "we are making a video so lets buy enrichment items and huge cages to make us look good". No. Facilities don't do that. Horrible facilities don't even own any sort of enrichment or larger cages. Or they are really smart, doubt that too. I've met plenty of really dumb people who think the animals are being treated amazingly when in fact they are in no way in conditions as great as these. I've heard comments form people regarding animals in tiny cages, no enrichment/nesting material some in god awful steel bottom cages make comments about how great the animals have it. The cages those rats were in weren't even rat cages, they were rabbit cages. Seriously impressive. The standard rat cage that the majority of lab people would find acceptable is a tiny fraction of that size (but with limits on the number of animals so larger cages allow for more animals in one cage)
stella artois oh yeah and working in really horrible facilities the rats are mean as he**!!!!! The fact that those rats aren't chewing those peoples fingers off really says something. Do you really think these people went out of the way to bring in other friendly rats? Its called logistics.
stella artois completely understand, if it was a choice between my pets or you or my pet rat that I had in high school and you, it would be you too. Any you may want to check out this, according to #1 you lost this argument and have yet to use reason or logic: lifehacker.com/the-30-most-common-ways-you-can-lose-an-argument-1683823576
stella artois okay then, well if you have any pets I hope you don't use any medicine on them because every single medicine for both humans and pets was tested on animals. Also any food you give your cat or dog if you have one was also tested on animals. And if you are so against testing on animals I hope you don't go to the doctor, have any sort of medical procedure done, take any sort of medication, take any vitamins and basically live in a bubble without any medical interference because it was ALL tested on animals.
Your last sentence marks you out as a sucker who's fallen for either Ray Greek or Andrew Knight's pseudoscience. Experimentation, hypothesis-testing, safety testing and prediction are entirely different things. The way the scam works is to "straw man"and say the scientists are looking at prediction, then cherry-pick their evidence, then either put it in a book (no peer review) or submit to an non-science journal e.g on ethics.
Exactly. If the experiment fails, they say "clearly we need to choose a different path and continue on", if it gets close, they say "we're close, so we should continue this path." Always a justification for more funding.
@@acjohn6995 There is, famously, no such thing as a failed experiment. The idea that the path never leads anywhere is absurd beyond words - more than 10.9 billion shots of covid vaccines based on animal research have been given, for instance, so of course thy don't continue testing what works once it's been found. The vibe I'm getting here is that you don't know how various medicines were developed, but that doesn't mean other people don't understand it.
@@chrismagee333 Yes, a failed experiment is when your hypothesis fails, especially when it involves taxpayer dollars, which are finite, and animal lives, which have value and deserve respect and the right to live. Curing a pandemic virus is one thing, trying to fix non-urgent issues by killing animals is another. I would like you to volunteer yourself to be used as a subject, it's far more accurate.
@@acjohn6995 I've volunteered for several clinical trials. Have you? Since more than 50% of experiments are the breeding of genetically manipulated animals I'm not sure how you'd like me to achieve that without a time machine, nor what you think a 'non-urgent' issue is, especially since the covid vaccines were achieved using 'curiosity-driven' basic research experiments from 20 years ago in conjunction with modern tests for safety, efficacy, formulation and more. Most research is taxpayer-funded though, mainly because there's no financial return on public heath, natural conservation, preventing diseases and understanding biology to prevent greater suffering. Knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing doesn't make you 'ethical', it just means you haven't understood the problem yet.
@@chrismagee333 I'd be fine starting with canceling research that attempts to create a pharmacological or surgical solution to thinks that are psycho-social issues, such as anxiety, depression, and various forms of mental illness, which we know are at high levels only recently due to the sick society we have created where people are isolated, overworked and bombarded by media messaging. Poverty, trauma, loneliness are social and economic issues and the solutions should come through changing our world rather than telling somebody they are damaged and giving them a pill to try to get through a meaningless world. That's a good start. Urgent issues like Covid, Ebola, SARS, MERS, I'm fine with research on, but we should be closing all but one primate facilities in the US instead of having several open.
The person in the film... this mouse is pregnant and they pick it up by the tail all the while claiming to care for animals....🤔 No animals should be used in experiments. It is torture and abuse.
@@richikneogi1603 Absolutely not true. It causes physical damage, anxiety and, for crying out loud, they are bred to be extra docile and they don't have diseases (that weren't given to them in the lab) so use a cupped hand!
@@michelleoliver9410 C57BL6 mice are not docile and while they won't bite, they tend to be on the more aggressive side. Grab them close to the base of the tail (not the end of the tail) then hold them above the wire cage cover until they grip onto it with their paws. Scruff them if you have to do injections.
I don't think animal testing should occur except in very narrow circumstances and for very, very important reasons. I read somewhere we still put mice in pipes and blow smoke or carbon monoxide or something at them for hours. I just think there is a fair amount of this testing that doesn't really need to happen.
They test on animals. Like it you wear Make up or skincare etc it was most likely tested on an animal. They also use it for physical injuries,putting things into animals heads and more.
Its weird because i am studying to be a vet tech my job is to care and provide assistants to the vet when needed, in learning how to care for the pet we use real animals to test on, and we call it a research lab. As a student i am not really sure what happens to the animals and it does make me sad but to know one day I will be able to help animals feels rewarding
If you're in there, please document cruelty and please help stop it. You can anonymously send to an animal welfare group. We need good people inside the industry to help these little creatures.
I think one really should find the middle ground. Even if left of center usually, ban private ownership of monkeys, that sort of thing, I don't have a big problem with lab animals if treated as humanely as possible. But the other side of the ground - y'ain't getting your hands on my sweet and adorable Stuart J. Mouse.
No matter how they dress this up it's not like this in most cases, this video is such BS. We have no right to do this to other animals. I will never accept this.
Animal research is not torture. Why would scientists keep an animal in pain? It would yield no positive results for their research, since a stressed animal doesn't produce valid information about any of the procedures or drugs you're testing.
I filmed this and observed the animals being well cared for. I believe the use of animals in research is still a necessity. Provided the animals are being used with good welfare and husbandry.
@@understandinganimalresearch This is not good welfare at all. The cages are fall too small and they are clearly being handled poorly. Gloves? Masks? Why are the rats/mice being picked up by the tail? Would you like me to keep you in an extremely small cage for your whole life, feeding you the bare necessities and taking you you out whenever I have a needle to stick you with? All for the sake of humans, which these animals cannot even comprehend or consent to be USED for. I'm not an idiot, I recognize that animal testing isn't going to just go away, but it's actually really ineffective. If you honestly think that this is okay to do to beings that feel fear and pain, then you're sick and I hope you do some serious self-reflection. Sending lov e from a place called "Common Empathy Town." xoxoxo
@@anammccartney5296 What's your better solution then? If animals aren't tested on and drugs are rushed to humans, is that really better? Animal testing might not be perfect, but I promise you if it goes away right now, many humans will suffer because of it (either from taking the place of these animals, or from less drugs being approved). I would love if there was a way to test drugs effectively without using animals, but that really isn't an option right now. I'd love to hear what you would do? Just not create drugs anymore? Create the perfect utopia for rats and mice to live in while being tested on? Who's going to pay for that? Money isn't limited and a majority of people would rather government subsides go toward people than animals. It's good and all to say people are "sick" and don't have empathy, while going about your business benefitting from drugs that came from animal research. Please do some self-reflection yourself and stop looking at this in a black and white way. Its not that simple.
@@leopardwing9763 I promise you, I don't look at this in a black and white way. What I do know is that while animal testing has led to some helpful discoveries, it is ineffective for the most part and many laboratories fail to follow government guidelines. I don't know where you live, but in the U.S there are very few laws protecting these animals, and even those are easy to get around. I don't expect animal testing to go away immediately, but we can for sure fight to end cosmetic animal testing which solves virtually no purpose. There are many animal rights organizations that would be more than willing to take animals in.
Yes , she may be treating them humanely , but there's no need to test on an animal that wanted to live. I pray for these animals. As soon as I can , I'm opening a shelter that saves animals , goes undercover , and please everyone , please tell you friends about animal cruelty. Speak for those who can't. If you really care.
I'm a former employee at two different research facilities that used animals. Research using animals is like terrorism in that terrorists hide psychotic urges behind religious and political beliefs, while researchers who inflict pain and death on animals hide their psychotic urges behind scientific beliefs and career status. Torturing animals is also an early symptom exhibited by serial killers and school shooters - the difference being that the research scientists remain frozen in the animal torture phase and don't progress to preying on humans.
Michelle Beckwith Do you think this for all tests or just the more severe tests? See www.understandinganimalresearch.org.uk/how/understanding-animal-procedures/ for what is defined as severe.
There is no need to use animals on experiments & research. And why are they treated so horribly?Surgery without anaesthesia, pain relief denied, being beaten - no justification. Why aren't laboratories monitored? Humane respectful treatment of ALL animals is the least we can do
You have never worked in a lab. If you did then you know that animal research has very, very strict protocols. Researchers have to write protocols where they describe in excruciating detail what will be don't to the animals, how the animals will be monitored and cared for, how to minimize any pain an animal feels as much as possible. It also has to be approved by a committee of people that include researchers, veterinarians and non-research personnel. Hundreds of AUPs are thrown out because they do not meet certain criteria. AUPs have to be re-written to comply with very specific rules from the Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee (IACUC) this committee is there to prevent abuse acts as you supplied:"surgery without anesthesia, pain relief denied, being beaten". Also, if an institution is found to be in violation of the rules as formed by IACUC then the animal research can be shut down. These research animals are treated better than people.
You know there's no reason to go all the other way right? The majority of animal experimentation is unnecessary and unhelpful, but there is a portion that is a good deal of help and is in fact insightful. Unfortunately experimentation is very much preferred legally, is considered valid for legal protection, and is very frequently necessary for funding. It's awful, the system really needs to be changed, but at this point in time complete removal of animal testing is not possible.
That said plenty of the videos advocating against animal testing use the worst possible cases and reference old testing methods that are no longer in use, though really there is no shortage of cruelty in much of the tests unfortunately.
I couldn't do this job for love nor money. id end up crying 😭 one of those rats has lost both eyes. this sickens me how people could be so cruel..... MURDERERS 😠
"Without animal research, millions of dogs, cats, birds, and farm animals would be dead from more than 200 diseases, including anthrax, distemper, rabies, feline leukemia, and canine parvo virus, according to Americans for Medical Progress (AMP), a nonprofit group that supports the responsible and humane use of animals in biomedical research. Today, those diseases are largely preventable, thanks to vaccines and treatments developed in animal research. In human terms, research with animals has led to vaccinations against smallpox, measles, mumps, diphtheria, and tetanus; development of anesthesia, antibiotics, and insulin; use of cardiac pacemakers and heart bypass surgery; surgical advancements for organ transplants, hip replacements, and cataract surgery; and treatments for a host of diseases, including diabetes, multiple sclerosis, AIDS, and children’s leukemia."
Dear CEM9Z... If only you would read what people post and limit commenting on that and refrain from blurting out some semi-random stuff based on what you think the other person most likely also means in your mind... I'll leave you with the challenge of pointing out where I state animal research has had no benefit. And comments like 'people like you' after 1 or 2 posts is rather silly as well...
People who are involved in the process of preparing animals for experimentation ie torture are not worthy of God's blessing. They might ask for God's forgiveness since they are engaged in a process which culminates in so much pain and suffering to produce data which have no predictive value for people.
Most research can't really be called horrible, the categories are listed here, from sub-threshold up to severe: www.understandinganimalresearch.org.uk/what-is-animal-research/understanding-animal-procedures The government statistics show that severe experiments are usually around 4% of the total.
@@understandinganimalresearch And government statistics also show that they are not enforcing their own policies. Less than 1% of dogs are ever released because they are either killed by the experiments or they kill them because they don't want the public to know what they are doing.
Oh yeah, the old "I protest against animal experiments therefore I am not entitled to reap the benefits because of some weird sort of 'you need to be ridicously consisten' opinion". It is perfectly acceptable to take medicine when there's no alternative AND in the meantime voice your opinion on how medicines evolved by animal testing, in what way, in which numbers etc.
I think animal testing should be stopped every where on all animals monkeys mice rats pigs cows horses chickens turkeys it cruel and abusive and torture these animals for no reason I even stopped eating meats cause of the way they slatter them they all have a right to life we human being are taking it away from all animals
Experiments on animals have to be for a good reason otherwise permission to do the experiments would not be given. Animals are not tortured but some experiments does cause pain. If that is the case, pain relief is given.
Ah the old 'wait until your children get a horrible disease' card.... like all animal researchers have pictures of diseased children hanging in their lab and do it to save the poor children.
Tom Holder where have YOU been that this is typical? I don't want to name names but these types of labs are possible and exist but they are not typical.
Ayla Falcone I've been to pharmaceutical and university labs in the US and UK. The "newness" is more reminiscent of the pharmaceutical facilities I've seen, but the standards of welfare are similar in both types of labs.
Tom Holder well I hope so. I worked in one lab (can not name names) that was just horrendous. And it is a very well known company. They used all steel cages, animals were housed alone, no bedding, no enrichment. Nothing but a steel grid floor, food, water and that is considered humane because they are mice and rats and mice and rats are not considered animals to the USDA. It was horrible, I will never work for a place like that again.
When was this? There is still a legacy of all-steel cages in the US (which are being slowly replaced in many areas). Single-housing is frowned upon (though sometimes necessary). PHS care policy provides a minimum expectation for all animals (including rodents) who are on NIH funded research.
You was once a child and almost certainly you were saved by drugs. Hundreds of creatures were sacrificed to save just you. Nowadays you can do very smart things, such as using TH-cam to discuss about animal experimentation. A thousand mice could never do that. If you want to equal them to human beings, I respect you, but don't pretend I agree. And if believing we shouldn't ignore our power to make the world a bit better means having a God complex, then I'll live with it. I'm atheist anyway.
In the islamic hadith, Prophet Muhammed tells the story of a woman sent to hell because she did not give a cat a drink of water. What will God do then to those who experiment on them? Probably the hottest furnace in the seventh hell, the guardian of 19 angels.
You obviously don't have children yet. Your attitude will not be so naive when you do and if they get sick. Animal testing is unfortunately the law and whilst this is so, there are animals who need to be cared for by people who have the courage to care. I have been an animal technician for 30 years and I am happy to show/discuss anything I have ever worked with. The "real face of animal testing" can be seen by you anytime you want to come and visit me. We have a "Total Transparency" policy.
I'm sorry...I really had to stifle a little laugh then. What the actual **** really? and where did you get that gem from? I have heard some utter crap in my time, but this has to be the icing on the cake. God is love and compassion..the only link there is from God to animal testing..is the free will that he bestowed upon mankind and look what they have done with it.
those complaining in the comments below - did you watch to the end of the video?! (from 4.40) - she recalled the story of a coworker who didn't bother cleaning up the dogs because 'they're going to die anyway' which she thought was terrible, and thought to herself she can't 'abandon them now'. she then says she wants experimentation on animals to end, but whilst she knows they are continuing to be used she wants to be the one to look after them because she *cares* about them. she is literally ON YOUR SIDE. she is NOT your enemy. the argument that if no one did the job out of protest, the practise would end - no, facilities would just hire people who don't care, like that asshole with the dogs. social reform doesn't come about from giving hate to fellow animal lovers and protectors at the bottom of the institutional food chain. her job is hard, and sad enough.
The use of animal testing for cosmetics has been illegal in the UK for around 15 years.
🙄 doesn't mean it isn't happening!
@@carlbrandom corruption
Em hate to break it to ye it's illegal to sell non tested products. Products claiming " not tested on animals" uses ingredients already passed via testing on animals. That's why they don't have to test. Your product still has to be tested to be passed for sale on market it's a government legality take it up with them. Soon though computerized models will be used and trust me no one wants it more than the scientists but it's so expensive to install.
Those drugs are tested safe on animals and other methods. Even 88% of drugs passing phase I trials in humans fail in later stages - this is not something animal research can be blamed for.
Great video. Very informative and truthful - refreshing to see the bright and positive reality that is the use of animals in research. Where would we be without such amazing research? we'd still be dying in our 40's of treatable illnesses.
+the bakerwhite family Thank you
Bright and positive? You mean tiny cages, torture, genetical manipulation towards disease and a short life expectancy? How bright and positive that is! Oh my! Oh, by the way, ask the people of unit 731 if they enjoyed their time as lab rats.
People like you are society's problem. Look at it from the _victim's_ point of view-not the human's.
Apart from the fact that animal research actually holds us back rather than advances us. We’re not the same, drugs work differently. Over 90% of drugs that pass testing in animals fail in humans. You’d actually be better off flipping a coin.
These facilities are disgusting their is nothing for them to do no stimulation and the size is disgusting using these animals is abuse
ive noticed that there are a lot of animal technician jobs available
i just completed my animal care courses and im finding it hard to find any animal care related jobs
but watching this video i noticed that the routines they do are exactly the same as the ones i do at collage i think ill apply for a job as animal technician or ill try to find an apprenticeship
Hi Jess, you might this website useful: www.iat.org.uk/
Understanding Animal Research thanks : ) ill have a look at that
Jess Mynott Animal care & animal vivisection are entirely different. If you really care about animals, seriously look into what bio-medical jobs are.
+Jess Mynott How can you do this?! HOW?! I don't understand! Reading this comment makes me really sad! Please reconsider! D;
How did it go then you scumbag
So even though they are treated in a good way i DO NOT support animal testing under any circunstance. I wouldn't be Ok knowing that the animals i take care of are going to be for testing.
Ok so when you are sick in hospital, make sure you REFUSE most of the treatment. Otherwise what you just said is a joke.
@@mattm6196 If you could reduce your suffering by having a hundred animals suffer in your place, would you do it?
These people bring about an increase in animal welfare too. Let us not forget the countless drugs that are used to save lives everyday that wouldn't be about if not for these peoples work.
exactly...most of the animal technicians care about animals. In now days at least..
The fact that these animals don’t get to choose what they do, I worked in animal facility’s for over 6 years.. they use dogs to and they bleed every day In there cages… they deserve a better life and if you do this then you are responsible for your actions you are out to the blame.. (I work in these labs and they pretend to be nice but they are not but I am undercover in these labs)
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. PLEASE DOCUMENT AND SHARE WITH ANIMAL WELFARE GROUPS!
Please don't ever pick up a rat or mouse by the tail. It's not designed to support their weight and you can break it by handling them like that.
I wish ur comment made a difference 😡
+Dammit Janet You hold them by the base of the tail. Degloving injuries happen when you pick them up by the tip of the tail.
Like they care! They are gonna torture these beautiful innocent mice to death. :(
You really think that they care
@@dupriideliaemanuela1810 You mean the lab people? No, the poor rats and mice are just there to be used by them.
What kind or research facility have their "technologist" handling animals without wearing gloves and a face mask. Have you ever heard of allergic reactions due to exposure to rodents or rabbits? By the way, research animals are not to be handled by anyone outside the research facility.
When I first released this video somebody else raised the same question. The facility is a university lab, the animals shown are apparently more content to be handled by bare skin than gloves - recognise scent of handler, and are not part of trials requiring a high degree of quarantine. Lastly, I believe allergic reactions are mainly caused by inhaled allergens. regards, Richard at UAR.
Thanks for your reply to my comments. I understand there may be a more "relax" set of rules in academia than other research environment but, protection to both the animals and their handlers should be a most. By the way, I'm allergic to mice due to continue exposure to the mouse dander, bites, scratches, and urine. If a drop of urine touches my skin, I flare up with red and white patches on my skin and start to have respiratory distress. Also, I was bitten by a mouse (it was the last drop on the bucket") and my thumb swelled in a matter of seconds with the previously described reaction. Due to my allergies to mice (and maybe to other rodents) I have to take Zyrtec for the allergy and carry an EpiPen with me while at work. I could be in a room full of mice and without mask and I have no problems, so is not the inhaled allergens, in my case.
At least she is caring, I’ve seen some absolutely awful videos x
She also knows she’s being filmed.
l am completely against animal testing/cruelty/abuse. l work'd before in a shelter and srtopped working there do to the animals l had to bring in a specially room, after they were euthanised... could not do the job anymore and l felt very bad everyday so l don't understand how anybody whit a hart and feel emphaty can do such a job for such a long time and sleep's good at night. sorry for the bad grammar it's about animals, not grammar
Thank you for sharing and thank you for stopping.
If it's not ok to do it to humans it shouldn't be done to any creature!! So frustrating
If you love your fellow humans so much, why don't you volunteer to be tested on? I'm not evil because I don't believe people have the right to torture innocent animals. Why don't you educate yourself and find out how horrific the things they do to these animals are and then ask yourself whose evil.
LOL! And to think all those animals could have been saved if we just did the testing on idiots like you.
Silver Carousel Human beings are actually make poor model organisms when it comes to scientific research. They take too long to grow up, take too long to gestate, vary too much genetically, etc.
Regardless, you actually kill more animals feeding those humans than killing animals currently used in research. According to AnimalVisuals, it takes 1.65 animals to produce 1 million calories worth of grains due to animals killed during harvest. To raise a sedentary human to age 18, it takes about 7.8 million calories according to the Estimated Energy Requirements from the IOM. Therefore, you kill about 13 animals for every human test subject. To replace the current population of vertebrate test animals in the US, you would need to kill an additional 296.75 million animals above the number of animals currently being used (25 million).
So yeah, you don't actually save anything by testing on humans.
im actually thinking of applying for this
they seem to be well cared for and they seem to up hold the animal welfare act there living quarters are clean and if they get ill they receive vet care. it seems fine to me
but i do kinda agree with you i think animals are more important than people
Jess Mynott Hi Jess, I'm editing a careers film for the Institute of Animal Technologists at present. I was very impressed by the folk I interviewed. They really liked their work and each other.
why are you working there if you dont agree with testing on animals!!!
***** because testing on animals is going to happen whether she agrees with it or not so she might as well be there to make sure the animals have the best life possible. This is a very impressive facility, not sure if it's because it's in Europe or not but I've worked in some facilities where each animal was housed individually and not given any bedding, enrichment items, only given food, water and a steel grate floor. It was horrible. We need more caring compassionate people working in research to fix this problem!
Why not showing how they suffer and die without anesthesia.
Maybe because that doesn’t happen
Hopefully soon I will be trained up to be a trainee animal technician and then go up from there I'm not sure what kind of animal care related job I want yet but I believe that doing this will help me figure out what I want to do.
Poor babies, at least they are being well looked after before the experimentation/vivisection begins - that's where the torture starts. Of course this was deemed too unsavoury to show. I don't agree with animal testing, but I also don't agree with violence against the animal technologists/scientists who conduct vivisection. Peaceful protest, boycotts & research into humane testing methods are the way forward. Please visit tinyDOTcc / fq1jq to sign a petition against animal testing in cosmetics.
It's all just a big funding gravy train. Researchers job depends on constantly coming up with new experiments just to keep the grant money rolling in and to pad their CV, no matter how unrelated to human beings the research might be. Total pie in the sky, throwing darts at the board to see what sticks type of stuff. This isn't finding a cure for polio, this is cutting the brains of animals to try to solve depression/anxiety in humans, which we already know is caused by social issues like trauma, isolation, social media, etc.
Thanks to animal research u get to live 28.5 years longer to “peacefully protest” 😂
@@JamezBnd007 Sure, all animal research has been accurate and beneficial, there hasn't been anything done just for funding reasons, right.
@@acjohn6995 u suggest we burn the whole jungle because there are a couple of dry trees?
@@JamezBnd007 I suggest we immediately stop animal research with very little application to curing human conditions, such as addiction and trauma studies, which have decades of social treatments backing them up. Are you going to do brain surgery on a human because they were sexually abused and turn to drugs to cope? These are things best treated with cognitive/behavioral applications.
Animals are not objects and therefore shouldn't be treated as such.
This is an amazing facility! I wonder if it is because it's in Europe? Here in America there are some great facilities too. Facilities that give the animals the biggest cage possible, enrichment items whether required or not (mice and rats are not considered "animals" by the usda so their requirements are despicable) but sadly there are still some facilities that give the animals the bare minimum. These animals in the video are treated amazingly!
stella artois working in multiple research facilities, I doubt it. There are some logistical problems to your response. First, why would this facility have the enrichment items they show in the video if they don't use them? Do you really think they said "we are making a video so lets buy enrichment items and huge cages to make us look good". No. Facilities don't do that. Horrible facilities don't even own any sort of enrichment or larger cages. Or they are really smart, doubt that too. I've met plenty of really dumb people who think the animals are being treated amazingly when in fact they are in no way in conditions as great as these. I've heard comments form people regarding animals in tiny cages, no enrichment/nesting material some in god awful steel bottom cages make comments about how great the animals have it. The cages those rats were in weren't even rat cages, they were rabbit cages. Seriously impressive. The standard rat cage that the majority of lab people would find acceptable is a tiny fraction of that size (but with limits on the number of animals so larger cages allow for more animals in one cage)
stella artois oh yeah and working in really horrible facilities the rats are mean as he**!!!!! The fact that those rats aren't chewing those peoples fingers off really says something. Do you really think these people went out of the way to bring in other friendly rats? Its called logistics.
stella artois rats are trusting creatures!? You've never seen a rat latch onto a persons finger!
stella artois completely understand, if it was a choice between my pets or you or my pet rat that I had in high school and you, it would be you too. Any you may want to check out this, according to #1 you lost this argument and have yet to use reason or logic: lifehacker.com/the-30-most-common-ways-you-can-lose-an-argument-1683823576
stella artois okay then, well if you have any pets I hope you don't use any medicine on them because every single medicine for both humans and pets was tested on animals. Also any food you give your cat or dog if you have one was also tested on animals. And if you are so against testing on animals I hope you don't go to the doctor, have any sort of medical procedure done, take any sort of medication, take any vitamins and basically live in a bubble without any medical interference because it was ALL tested on animals.
It's nice these animals at the very least have someone who cares about them.
When the cameras turn off, I highly doubt they're treated with... "respect". Respecting them would be letting them free.
One person is just one person. Did you hear her talk about her co-worker?
those cages are awful.
Your last sentence marks you out as a sucker who's fallen for either Ray Greek or Andrew Knight's pseudoscience. Experimentation, hypothesis-testing, safety testing and prediction are entirely different things. The way the scam works is to "straw man"and say the scientists are looking at prediction, then cherry-pick their evidence, then either put it in a book (no peer review) or submit to an non-science journal e.g on ethics.
Exactly. If the experiment fails, they say "clearly we need to choose a different path and continue on", if it gets close, they say "we're close, so we should continue this path." Always a justification for more funding.
@@acjohn6995 There is, famously, no such thing as a failed experiment. The idea that the path never leads anywhere is absurd beyond words - more than 10.9 billion shots of covid vaccines based on animal research have been given, for instance, so of course thy don't continue testing what works once it's been found. The vibe I'm getting here is that you don't know how various medicines were developed, but that doesn't mean other people don't understand it.
@@chrismagee333 Yes, a failed experiment is when your hypothesis fails, especially when it involves taxpayer dollars, which are finite, and animal lives, which have value and deserve respect and the right to live. Curing a pandemic virus is one thing, trying to fix non-urgent issues by killing animals is another. I would like you to volunteer yourself to be used as a subject, it's far more accurate.
@@acjohn6995 I've volunteered for several clinical trials. Have you? Since more than 50% of experiments are the breeding of genetically manipulated animals I'm not sure how you'd like me to achieve that without a time machine, nor what you think a 'non-urgent' issue is, especially since the covid vaccines were achieved using 'curiosity-driven' basic research experiments from 20 years ago in conjunction with modern tests for safety, efficacy, formulation and more. Most research is taxpayer-funded though, mainly because there's no financial return on public heath, natural conservation, preventing diseases and understanding biology to prevent greater suffering. Knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing doesn't make you 'ethical', it just means you haven't understood the problem yet.
@@chrismagee333 I'd be fine starting with canceling research that attempts to create a pharmacological or surgical solution to thinks that are psycho-social issues, such as anxiety, depression, and various forms of mental illness, which we know are at high levels only recently due to the sick society we have created where people are isolated, overworked and bombarded by media messaging. Poverty, trauma, loneliness are social and economic issues and the solutions should come through changing our world rather than telling somebody they are damaged and giving them a pill to try to get through a meaningless world. That's a good start. Urgent issues like Covid, Ebola, SARS, MERS, I'm fine with research on, but we should be closing all but one primate facilities in the US instead of having several open.
The person in the film... this mouse is pregnant and they pick it up by the tail all the while claiming to care for animals....🤔
No animals should be used in experiments. It is torture and abuse.
That's literally how you pick up a mouse, pregnant or not. It's less stressful than trying to scruff the mouse.
@@richikneogi1603 Absolutely not true. It causes physical damage, anxiety and, for crying out loud, they are bred to be extra docile and they don't have diseases (that weren't given to them in the lab) so use a cupped hand!
@@michelleoliver9410 C57BL6 mice are not docile and while they won't bite, they tend to be on the more aggressive side. Grab them close to the base of the tail (not the end of the tail) then hold them above the wire cage cover until they grip onto it with their paws. Scruff them if you have to do injections.
I don't think animal testing should occur except in very narrow circumstances and for very, very important reasons. I read somewhere we still put mice in pipes and blow smoke or carbon monoxide or something at them for hours. I just think there is a fair amount of this testing that doesn't really need to happen.
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Why the fuck does that rat have no eyes?
They test on animals. Like it you wear Make up or skincare etc it was most likely tested on an animal. They also use it for physical injuries,putting things into animals heads and more.
Its weird because i am studying to be a vet tech my job is to care and provide assistants to the vet when needed, in learning how to care for the pet we use real animals to test on, and we call it a research lab. As a student i am not really sure what happens to the animals and it does make me sad but to know one day I will be able to help animals feels rewarding
Trust your gut feeling-because you're right about this. They don't need to "experiment" on animals. It hurts _more_ animals than it helps!
If you're in there, please document cruelty and please help stop it. You can anonymously send to an animal welfare group. We need good people inside the industry to help these little creatures.
I think one really should find the middle ground. Even if left of center usually, ban private ownership of monkeys, that sort of thing, I don't have a big problem with lab animals if treated as humanely as possible. But the other side of the ground - y'ain't getting your hands on my sweet and adorable Stuart J. Mouse.
No matter how they dress this up it's not like this in most cases, this video is such BS. We have no right to do this to other animals. I will never accept this.
Animal research is not torture. Why would scientists keep an animal in pain? It would yield no positive results for their research, since a stressed animal doesn't produce valid information about any of the procedures or drugs you're testing.
I wish more people were as compassionate as that woman.
Killing animals for a living is compassionate?
How does anyone thinking sentient beings in these conditions is acceptable.
I filmed this and observed the animals being well cared for. I believe the use of animals in research is still a necessity. Provided the animals are being used with good welfare and husbandry.
@@understandinganimalresearch This is not good welfare at all. The cages are fall too small and they are clearly being handled poorly. Gloves? Masks? Why are the rats/mice being picked up by the tail? Would you like me to keep you in an extremely small cage for your whole life, feeding you the bare necessities and taking you you out whenever I have a needle to stick you with? All for the sake of humans, which these animals cannot even comprehend or consent to be USED for. I'm not an idiot, I recognize that animal testing isn't going to just go away, but it's actually really ineffective. If you honestly think that this is okay to do to beings that feel fear and pain, then you're sick and I hope you do some serious self-reflection. Sending lov e from a place called "Common Empathy Town." xoxoxo
@@anammccartney5296 What's your better solution then? If animals aren't tested on and drugs are rushed to humans, is that really better? Animal testing might not be perfect, but I promise you if it goes away right now, many humans will suffer because of it (either from taking the place of these animals, or from less drugs being approved). I would love if there was a way to test drugs effectively without using animals, but that really isn't an option right now. I'd love to hear what you would do? Just not create drugs anymore? Create the perfect utopia for rats and mice to live in while being tested on? Who's going to pay for that? Money isn't limited and a majority of people would rather government subsides go toward people than animals. It's good and all to say people are "sick" and don't have empathy, while going about your business benefitting from drugs that came from animal research. Please do some self-reflection yourself and stop looking at this in a black and white way. Its not that simple.
@@leopardwing9763 I promise you, I don't look at this in a black and white way. What I do know is that while animal testing has led to some helpful discoveries, it is ineffective for the most part and many laboratories fail to follow government guidelines. I don't know where you live, but in the U.S there are very few laws protecting these animals, and even those are easy to get around. I don't expect animal testing to go away immediately, but we can for sure fight to end cosmetic animal testing which solves virtually no purpose. There are many animal rights organizations that would be more than willing to take animals in.
@@leopardwing9763Rodents aren’t humans; these tests aren’t even conclusive
Yes , she may be treating them humanely , but there's no need to test on an animal that wanted to live. I pray for these animals. As soon as I can , I'm opening a shelter that saves animals , goes undercover , and please everyone , please tell you friends about animal cruelty. Speak for those who can't. If you really care.
Hill animals give their lives to people they help us
I'm a former employee at two different research facilities that used animals. Research using animals is like terrorism in that terrorists hide psychotic urges behind religious and political beliefs, while researchers who inflict pain and death on animals hide their psychotic urges behind scientific beliefs and career status. Torturing animals is also an early symptom exhibited by serial killers and school shooters - the difference being that the research scientists remain frozen in the animal torture phase and don't progress to preying on humans.
You should never test on animals it is horrible it is note humane to me in any way
Michelle Beckwith Do you think this for all tests or just the more severe tests? See www.understandinganimalresearch.org.uk/how/understanding-animal-procedures/ for what is defined as severe.
Sorry, that DOESN'T WORK. All medical research would be stalled into infinity. Hope you don't have any family or friends with cancer.
What classes do I need to take to get in this field
its an entry level job.
randall estacio thanks
im actually getting an interview monday lol
good luck
How to be a sociopath 101
Just kidding, apparently, you don't need any credentials because it's entry-level. Jesus.
There is no need to use animals on experiments & research. And why are they treated so horribly?Surgery without anaesthesia, pain relief denied, being beaten - no justification. Why aren't laboratories monitored? Humane respectful treatment of ALL animals is the least we can do
They aren't being beaten and they are being monitored. And yeah, it is most certainly necessary. Medical research would never proceed.
You have never worked in a lab. If you did then you know that animal research has very, very strict protocols. Researchers have to write protocols where they describe in excruciating detail what will be don't to the animals, how the animals will be monitored and cared for, how to minimize any pain an animal feels as much as possible. It also has to be approved by a committee of people that include researchers, veterinarians and non-research personnel. Hundreds of AUPs are thrown out because they do not meet certain criteria. AUPs have to be re-written to comply with very specific rules from the Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee (IACUC) this committee is there to prevent abuse acts as you supplied:"surgery without anesthesia, pain relief denied, being beaten". Also, if an institution is found to be in violation of the rules as formed by IACUC then the animal research can be shut down. These research animals are treated better than people.
You know there's no reason to go all the other way right? The majority of animal experimentation is unnecessary and unhelpful, but there is a portion that is a good deal of help and is in fact insightful. Unfortunately experimentation is very much preferred legally, is considered valid for legal protection, and is very frequently necessary for funding. It's awful, the system really needs to be changed, but at this point in time complete removal of animal testing is not possible.
That said plenty of the videos advocating against animal testing use the worst possible cases and reference old testing methods that are no longer in use, though really there is no shortage of cruelty in much of the tests unfortunately.
I couldn't do this job for love nor money. id end up crying 😭 one of those rats has lost both eyes. this sickens me how people could be so cruel..... MURDERERS 😠
It's a rubber model - and has been well used by our schools team.
doesn't look like a rubber model of a rat with no eyes to me it's moving !
@@understandinganimalresearch great video im very interested in this career. I live in the usa what website or entry level books to read
Nor me. Murdering Mengels. Treblinka.
"Without animal research, millions of dogs, cats, birds, and farm animals would be dead from more than 200 diseases, including anthrax, distemper, rabies, feline leukemia, and canine parvo virus, according to Americans for Medical Progress (AMP), a nonprofit group that supports the responsible and humane use of animals in biomedical research. Today, those diseases are largely preventable, thanks to vaccines and treatments developed in animal research.
In human terms, research with animals has led to vaccinations against smallpox, measles, mumps, diphtheria, and tetanus; development of anesthesia, antibiotics, and insulin; use of cardiac pacemakers and heart bypass surgery; surgical advancements for organ transplants, hip replacements, and cataract surgery; and treatments for a host of diseases, including diabetes, multiple sclerosis, AIDS, and children’s leukemia."
Dear CEM9Z... If only you would read what people post and limit commenting on that and refrain from blurting out some semi-random stuff based on what you think the other person most likely also means in your mind... I'll leave you with the challenge of pointing out where I state animal research has had no benefit. And comments like 'people like you' after 1 or 2 posts is rather silly as well...
People who are involved in the process of preparing animals for experimentation ie torture are not worthy of God's blessing. They might ask for God's forgiveness since they are engaged in a process which culminates in so much pain and suffering to produce data which have no predictive value for people.
Wise words. Let's use people instead.
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Careful, nowadays they might do that.
Heartbreaking seeing animals in labs 😥 They are all killed at a very young age for autopsy and horrible research is done on them...
Most research can't really be called horrible, the categories are listed here, from sub-threshold up to severe: www.understandinganimalresearch.org.uk/what-is-animal-research/understanding-animal-procedures
The government statistics show that severe experiments are usually around 4% of the total.
@@understandinganimalresearch And government statistics also show that they are not enforcing their own policies. Less than 1% of dogs are ever released because they are either killed by the experiments or they kill them because they don't want the public to know what they are doing.
I respect that women so much
i think animal testing is just fucked up but at the same time it still helps us but i hate it with my gutts
agree
Oh yeah, the old "I protest against animal experiments therefore I am not entitled to reap the benefits because of some weird sort of 'you need to be ridicously consisten' opinion". It is perfectly acceptable to take medicine when there's no alternative AND in the meantime voice your opinion on how medicines evolved by animal testing, in what way, in which numbers etc.
I think animal testing should be stopped every where on all animals monkeys mice rats pigs cows horses chickens turkeys it cruel and abusive and torture these animals for no reason I even stopped eating meats cause of the way they slatter them they all have a right to life we human being are taking it away from all animals
Experiments on animals have to be for a good reason otherwise permission to do the experiments would not be given. Animals are not tortured but some experiments does cause pain. If that is the case, pain relief is given.
Where's the PPE? Come on guys....
Not all settings require PPE. It depends whether the animals are at risk from the humans, or vice versa.
Ah the old 'wait until your children get a horrible disease' card.... like all animal researchers have pictures of diseased children hanging in their lab and do it to save the poor children.
These people are sociopaths.
Mengels.
People need to realise this video is biased...this is not a typical lab. urgh.
Having been round labs in the UK and US, this is a pretty typical lab. Where have you been that you found so different?
Tom Holder where have YOU been that this is typical? I don't want to name names but these types of labs are possible and exist but they are not typical.
Ayla Falcone I've been to pharmaceutical and university labs in the US and UK. The "newness" is more reminiscent of the pharmaceutical facilities I've seen, but the standards of welfare are similar in both types of labs.
Tom Holder well I hope so. I worked in one lab (can not name names) that was just horrendous. And it is a very well known company. They used all steel cages, animals were housed alone, no bedding, no enrichment. Nothing but a steel grid floor, food, water and that is considered humane because they are mice and rats and mice and rats are not considered animals to the USDA. It was horrible, I will never work for a place like that again.
When was this? There is still a legacy of all-steel cages in the US (which are being slowly replaced in many areas). Single-housing is frowned upon (though sometimes necessary). PHS care policy provides a minimum expectation for all animals (including rodents) who are on NIH funded research.
Umm that poor mouse was held by the tail!!!that can cause damage to its tail it’s probably broken
GLOVES! you just wasted $10K!!
READ the sign 3:32, GLOVES
WTH are you guys picking up the test animals? Variables!
You first. I'm not the one opposed to animal research.
Should read: The day an animal technologist ends another life.
Mengels. Treblinka. :(
i dislike animaltesting
You was once a child and almost certainly you were saved by drugs. Hundreds of creatures were sacrificed to save just you. Nowadays you can do very smart things, such as using TH-cam to discuss about animal experimentation. A thousand mice could never do that. If you want to equal them to human beings, I respect you, but don't pretend I agree. And if believing we shouldn't ignore our power to make the world a bit better means having a God complex, then I'll live with it. I'm atheist anyway.
TOTAL HIPOCRISY
In the islamic hadith, Prophet Muhammed tells the story of a woman sent to hell because she did not give a cat a drink of water. What will God do then to those who experiment on them? Probably the hottest furnace in the seventh hell, the guardian of 19 angels.
This is sick
You obviously don't have children yet. Your attitude will not be so naive when you do and if they get sick.
Animal testing is unfortunately the law and whilst this is so, there are animals who need to be cared for by people who have the courage to care. I have been an animal technician for 30 years and I am happy to show/discuss anything I have ever worked with. The "real face of animal testing" can be seen by you anytime you want to come and visit me. We have a "Total Transparency" policy.
are you serious ? ..so give your body for the science ..
Sick
Science,yes. Pseudo-science, no. There is a fundamental difference. Thanks for your 'educated' response.
how rude
100% COMPLICIT TO TORTURE AND MURDER. GOD HELP YOUR SOUL.
Violet Vegan Gf Warrior God believes in animal testing
I'm sorry...I really had to stifle a little laugh then. What the actual **** really? and where did you get that gem from? I have heard some utter crap in my time, but this has to be the icing on the cake. God is love and compassion..the only link there is from God to animal testing..is the free will that he bestowed upon mankind and look what they have done with it.
Oh..and btw God doesn't BELIEVE...God just IS. Actually I can't even believe I am bothering to reply to such a ridiculous statement lol. Bless ya
Animal Treblinka! :(
I can't understand why you think that you can use the animals? That is wrong is cruel.
PROPAGANDA
Why the fuck are you doing this do it on humans
Hmmm. 'Cares' in the mafia sense of the word, perhaps. Working on a duck farm to facilitate quackery.
People are going to do it regardless, might as well have somebody who cares about what they're doing.