What is everyones deal about “too much sail up”. This boat is a race boat competing in a race. If you ain’t pushing you ain’t winning. I have sailed a j/111 in 22-28 knots of Wind with the biggest kite We had at the time 135 sqm. This was just on the limit, but most of the time We were planing 18 knots of boat speed. We broached once like these guys, but that is what happens when you are pushing and We just Got the boat back on the right course and went of planing again. I have had similar conditions on a j/80 to with both jib and kite up planing again 18 knots of boat speed. Only this time We didnt broach. So in conclusion: maybe they caught the j/88 at a bad time the Crew wasnt experienced enough or something Else went wrong, but i wouldnt say they had to much sail up.
If the skipper could have taken a course a little more downwind, he would have been able to start sprinting with this sail set, but the water seemed shallow, so he probably couldn't.
If you look at the rudder, he is trying to bear away but the boat is broaching as soon as they fill the asym, smaller kite or a reef in the main to reduce weather helm would make things a lot easier and allow them to hold a course down wind
@@zedthehun the main couldn't be dumped any further, should have blown the spin, sheeted the main all the way in and then it would have stopped the broaching and allowed for the main to be reefed.
Yes, and I have seen VERY experienced crews bin it badly. Stuff goes wrong that you can't see at this distance on a video. Jams, tangles, hurt crew etc, etc... don't be too judgy!
I know nothing about sailing - so I can't understand why that boat is heeled over so severely when his sails seem mostly empty and he can't seem to develop any power. Having that jib flailing around out front like that just seems like obstinate optimism.
1. When the boat loses speed in a broach, any pressure in the spinnaker (and there is quite a bit) is applied at the mast head with max leverage = max heel. 2. The jib is the tool that will save them, they need sail area low down ahead of the mast to pull the bow in the direction (lower) that they are trying to steer. 3. The answer is dump the main (vang, sheet & traveller off) and dump the kite then sheet the headsail on. 4. They seem to have had an issue fully unloading the mainsail, anything could have been wrong there, jammed sheet, knot etc...
@@zedthehun Thank you for that explanation. I think that I followed it, but I know that I did not fully understand. If I got anything out of it it's that that big spinnaker shouldn't be out there until they've already set course and gotten everything else lined up.
Yeah, well. 1. The boat will plane, hull speed is a non issue. 2. Keeping a headsail up in heavy air can help with broach recovery. Dump the main & kite and sheet on the headsail. You need to get more experience before you get this critical.
It's not really that strong Wind - they just had to sail a little lower..... just like the Swiss boat did in the background (and without problems) I guess, it's just the american way to try to run your heads through a Wall.... 😁😂😂 Take it from a dane, who lives on an small island - and have been sailing all his life 😁🤣
Taking down the jenker and reefing the mainsail by 1 point is just right. . In this condition, I think that one point reef is essential when leaving the harbor. Is it Skipper's misjudgment to relentlessly try to run with Geneker?
It is a race, the boat will do it, if handled well at all, the trouble is, we have to practice to find that fast groove, this team isn't there yet in this video, but when they get it, that boat will fly!
i dont understand your outrage. there are no political comments in the video. can someone not shoot a video of someone else doing something questionable without being called woke now? skipper filmed clearly was either a newb, or something mechanical was wrong with the running rigging preventing anyone from correcting the trim. lighten up.
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David, good job staying off of them 👍
That boat in the background tho.
What is everyones deal about “too much sail up”. This boat is a race boat competing in a race. If you ain’t pushing you ain’t winning.
I have sailed a j/111 in 22-28 knots of Wind with the biggest kite We had at the time 135 sqm. This was just on the limit, but most of the time We were planing 18 knots of boat speed. We broached once like these guys, but that is what happens when you are pushing and We just Got the boat back on the right course and went of planing again.
I have had similar conditions on a j/80 to with both jib and kite up planing again 18 knots of boat speed. Only this time We didnt broach.
So in conclusion: maybe they caught the j/88 at a bad time the Crew wasnt experienced enough or something Else went wrong, but i wouldnt say they had to much sail up.
If the skipper could have taken a course a little more downwind, he would have been able to start sprinting with this sail set, but the water seemed shallow, so he probably couldn't.
If you look at the rudder, he is trying to bear away but the boat is broaching as soon as they fill the asym, smaller kite or a reef in the main to reduce weather helm would make things a lot easier and allow them to hold a course down wind
@@Thomas-dp8eb Dump the kite and main, sheet on the headsail = faster recovery.
@@zedthehun the main couldn't be dumped any further, should have blown the spin, sheeted the main all the way in and then it would have stopped the broaching and allowed for the main to be reefed.
Sure hope that was an ounce and a half chute. Perhaps he has one too many head sails up!
Just because you can BUY a boat doesn't mean you know how to use it.
Yes, and I have seen VERY experienced crews bin it badly. Stuff goes wrong that you can't see at this distance on a video. Jams, tangles, hurt crew etc, etc... don't be too judgy!
Why does J/88 have its jib up too? What situation would the job+Asym be beneficial?
It would have helped pull the bow down if they sheeted it in. Leaving a head sail up in breeze is common
There is also a video by sailing tips on the topic
@@danweyant707Absolutely! People don't seem to get that one. Broach recovery 101.
I know nothing about sailing - so I can't understand why that boat is heeled over so severely when his sails seem mostly empty and he can't seem to develop any power. Having that jib flailing around out front like that just seems like obstinate optimism.
you know more about sailing than you think
you know more about sailing than the skipper of that boat, thats for sure.
1. When the boat loses speed in a broach, any pressure in the spinnaker (and there is quite a bit) is applied at the mast head with max leverage = max heel. 2. The jib is the tool that will save them, they need sail area low down ahead of the mast to pull the bow in the direction (lower) that they are trying to steer. 3. The answer is dump the main (vang, sheet & traveller off) and dump the kite then sheet the headsail on. 4. They seem to have had an issue fully unloading the mainsail, anything could have been wrong there, jammed sheet, knot etc...
@@zedthehun Thank you for that explanation. I think that I followed it, but I know that I did not fully understand. If I got anything out of it it's that that big spinnaker shouldn't be out there until they've already set course and gotten everything else lined up.
The J 88 has no clue what he’s doing a full main, a J2, and ‘asymmetric. Is he’s trying to do test whole top hull speed?
Yeah, well. 1. The boat will plane, hull speed is a non issue. 2. Keeping a headsail up in heavy air can help with broach recovery. Dump the main & kite and sheet on the headsail. You need to get more experience before you get this critical.
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Small boat+ big wind+ no brain=😂😂😊
Hmm idk, close the jib
David, David, David!
how much wind did you guys have?
It's not really that strong Wind - they just had to sail a little lower..... just like the Swiss boat did in the background (and without problems) I guess, it's just the american way to try to run your heads through a Wall.... 😁😂😂
Take it from a dane, who lives on an small island - and have been sailing all his life 😁🤣
@@jrgensenbo2999 youre definitely right about that.
@@jrgensenbo2999 yep, you know your way. If anything I remember it's 24/7 windy in Dane land
@@jrgensenbo2999 Why sailing lower? Sailing lower would hide the Asym behind the Main??
looks like 16-18kts
Hay que aprender antes de navegar.
El dinero no da la sabiduría.
DAVID!
I always hate seeing kooks abuse boats/gear.
Why do you need a spinnaker up in 15+ knot winds?
Taking down the jenker and reefing the mainsail by 1 point is just right. .
In this condition, I think that one point reef is essential when leaving the harbor.
Is it Skipper's misjudgment to relentlessly try to run with Geneker?
it is a Race. other boats of kites up so....
It is a race, the boat will do it, if handled well at all, the trouble is, we have to practice to find that fast groove, this team isn't there yet in this video, but when they get it, that boat will fly!
A mon avis y a trop de vent !!
Too windy for that crew/
Way, way, way too much sail.
Furl it
So what ?? This guy is out there. He is sailing. Broaching from time to time is not a crime. Has WOKE also reach the sailing wold???
Who knows. But politics seem to have in any case, judging from your comment 😄
i dont understand your outrage. there are no political comments in the video. can someone not shoot a video of someone else doing something questionable without being called woke now? skipper filmed clearly was either a newb, or something mechanical was wrong with the running rigging preventing anyone from correcting the trim. lighten up.
@@fakiirification I think the video is a learning opportunity.
too much adevertise, I don't intend watch the video