From my silver experience, this was one of the “my support isn’t healing” because they’re used to having a mercy who only knows how to hold the yellow beam. You see a lot of that in low console.
yeah it’s kind of annoying to hear good players rec things like oh play here or oh do this when doing that in a given rank may actually be extremely disadvantageous thanks to how the rest of the team is playing. a play may be “optimal” but that’s only assuming your team will be supporting that play/position, and you can’t expect your team to be exactly on that wavelength in a lower rank/level of play. There are of course things that are always good to do, but recognizing the game state is pretty important
Flats does that too, but his shtick is being mean lol. He’ll try not to be too harsh on lower rank players; unless they have a huge ego and blame the entire team when they’re clearly the problem lol
This VOD perfectly demonstrates my support mantra: HELP ME TO HELP YOU. Also, harrasing your supports is a great way of making them *not* want to spend extra attention on you.
Real anytime a dps complains about not getting heals because I don’t wanna peel for someone who’s fighting the enemy team ALONE without waiting for group up I straight up have to tell them like, “I can’t heal bad game sense bro” like I need you to fucken chillax from time to time so I can give you some stimmys homie 😭😭. I’m a Doomfist/Genji main rn & ik how frustrating it is to heal those two so whenever I need it I immediately run to my supps and sit still for them so they can get me lmao
thats the standard in overwatch. People just do whatever they want and have no idea why they are dying and blame supports. I've literally had games where we have twice the healing as the other team and they are flaming the supports instead of, you know, not standing right in front of a bastion/mauga comp. The lack of awareness players have in this game is insane.
they literally acknowledge they did that in their submission. it's not ego and audacity when they explicitly say they know they did it and clearly imply they know it was a mistake and they never said their supports suck. they just said they believed one of their supports wasn't doing very well. there is a difference.
@@sethescope How does that make any difference? People have said those lines before to insinuate someone was the problem. They even said "after noticing the deficit." That means they thought the supports weren't doing their job. Also 1:00 to prove my point.
I dislike "diffs" and telling each other we are trash. Smh...i don't mind if they say I'm feeding or whatever but no p9int in insults to my skill. Some of us have been playing OW a long time.
@@damon6086 noticing someone isn't doing their job is a pretty neutral statement of perceived fact. it doesn't mean someone sucks. "sucks" is a directly negative word that speaks to someone's overall ability. someone not doing their job or not contributing as much as the team needed them to isn't the same. the tone and framing of the issue are significantly more neutral. stating that someone didn't do well is saying something negative (as opposed to a positive like "they did great") but it's not a judgment or an attack against the person as a whole. nuance is important. word choices and phrasing are important. it's clear that you imputed an intent that isn't present in the submission because you want to believe something bad about the submitter but there's no textual basis for it.
Armchair Psychologist here: This feels like a player with an ego disproportionate to their rank, constantly searching for scapegoats on their team. I picture them internally blaming their supports and going mentally insane in that moment, completely unaware of the existence of spawn healing in that moment.
At that point actually getting healing isn't what the player is concerned with, you can feel how they are raging at their support for not doing their job. That and probably fear of the moira skill orb.
because this player is not bright. they are the type to blame everyone else but themselves.... the type of player that turns off brain when they play then blames everyone when they get shit on for being dumb.
Accountability! Something, some people are uncapable of doing. A character is being an issue? Time to demand other people to switch! I remember this game were Pharah was being a nuisance. I knew we needed hitscan so I swiched to Bap to aid with the issue. Moment I switch, we start rolling them and ended up winning the match. People should try to take a proactile role with issues rather than complain and expect your teammates to deal with it.
I remember a game where our supports (me) were getting bullied by a widow. We told the team and started playing defensively. Good news: it worked. Bad news: the team didn't listen and pushed W anyway, blaming us for their deaths So again we beg the DPS to deal with widow. And their amazing fucking response immortalised in my memory: "You're playing kiri, just snipe her" If you know how to fit shaped blocks into shaped holes, you will understand how stupid that sentence is.
@@DodgeThatAttacktbf depending on the map kiri is a good counter to widow, but you're not gonna outsnipe her lol. Also it shouldn't fall on only a supp to deal with a problem enemy.
@@DodgeThatAttack obviously this team was full of silly geese. however, if I may offer my personal way of approaching the problem of an enemy widow who is doing well. there are two options, and you should feel free to pick whichever one sparks the most joy for you 1. go Moira, dive the widow yourself (use fade defensively, flat bounce healing orb to keep yourself alive, dodge and strafe) 2. go mercy, build valk, pop valk for the sole purpose of killing widow, and approach the widow from an unexpected angle and delete them with headshots while spamming space and crouch and strafing in the air will this always 100% deal sufficiently with the widow? no. sometimes a widow just dominates and it would take teamwork to deal with them. but it WILL be personally satisfying and that's important too
@@sethescope The way I usually deal with widow as a 'one-trick' ana main is I just play sight-lines and ignore widow. The only times a widow should ever get me is if they over-extend to a position where they would be a free pick for my team regardless of what we are playing or if I over-peak the widow by accident. So far this has worked pretty well for me, though I've only been in plat/diamond so can't say if I'd be forced to switch at some point at some higher rank. Would have to ask a higher ranked player for that.
@icycloud6823 (this is a joke) but that's so boring (this is less of a joke) but it does not do anything to actually deal with the widow that's harassing your team. sure you stay alive and that's generally good but you can't outheal a widow one shot. sometimes you gotta be the one to deal with the bullshit, and ofc what that looks like will vary by hero
@emongg I feel like this is the type of player that needs to be shown their Supports view of their position. I've fallen from G4 to S4 Support in two weeks. I admit that I was brute forcing Moira and even though I reached Plat before with her, if my team isn't playing close-ish to each other or aggressive it doesn't work. I started maining LW for the long range heals/ reload but also and MUCH more importantly, I can correct bad positioning. It has been so prevalent these past couple weeks. Climbing again, but even still I'll have teammates overcommit down a hallway way out of any Support LOS. We aren't going to sacrifice our uptime for one person in Narnia when everyone else is in position. Think it's a great idea to show them this view.
100% agree. And I'm a DPS. If you review your games from your supports' perspective, you will immediately see how many mistakes you actually make. Half the time the poor supports are sitting back trying not to lose their shit as you 1v5 out of their LOS on cooldown. Lol.
I agree with this take, everyone should see it from the supports pov. I’ve had games where people claim they “get no heals”, while they ring around the Rosie me, play dbd but I’m in the monster, or just straight up sit inside a Winston bubble or in front of a sig shield, or walk out in an already pinged widow for the 10th time. Although, a suggestion for climbing. I’d suggest playing someone like, Kiri, Bap, Illari, as you’d get a lot more value out of these 3 & as a support it really isn’t your job to “correct” bad positioning. That’s the reason they’re stuck in that elo in the first place. However, I’m also very much a person who plays what I enjoy no matter what’s considered “good”, so. 😂
i love being a support main and sweating every game so i dont get blamed by the team cause im trying to keep myself in a decent mood so i dont stop playing after one game lol
This is why I never take getting flamed too seriously (especially since I only play MH and QP), cause I know If I went and watched the replay it would be this.
Had a venture flanking all game and dying solo and spamming about heals the whole time. The one time I tried as Juno to get to them a mile away they still spammed it and acted like I could do anything well out of fall off range.
thats most overwatch players. From what I've seen, up to diamond at least, most people just get by with their aim and have actually no idea how the game works or whats going on. Which is frustrating for me because I'm the opposite and cant aim but have really good awareness. So I feel lke im just watching blind idiots wander aimlessly around the map.
Reminds me of the matches I had last night. Enemy team had teammates that completely threw a tantrum and the match once they got killed. People usually blame everyone except themselves 🤦♀️
the reason this guy was playing low ground echo is, that he hasn't changed his jump to L2 so he can do super jumps and glide while aiming. You can also just play claw, but the L2 on jump is a must for echo on console.
This is the reason that i stuggle to really get into overwatch cause youll have teammates just like this being toxic as hell meanwhile they are the problem. Ive seen him do some good but you cant just keep running in hoping to get healed especially when healers are at spawn. Thats one of the things thatll set me off in overwatch is being told that i need to heal when im in spawn. Its funny ill have some games where my team will sing my praise. And then immediately the next game get flamed for not healing enough. I find that its especially bad if you play LW. Ill have games where im 5/15/2 with 500 to 1000 damage and 10,000+ healing and ill still get flammed and told that i need to heal. Typically on QP which is typically much shorter than a ranked game. Anytime i try to get into ranked ill play 2 maybe 3 games and get tired of the toxicity and absolute try hardiness that goes into it. Im competitive but im not going to throw a bitch fit cause its not going well. And honestly theres a bit of difference in how QP VS ranked plays but i never get good at the differences cause i can never play more than a few games before my teammates piss me off.
I genuinely wonder if there will ever be a time when the DPS players don't blame the Supports for why they lost the game or why they were not dominating everyone.
i swear it is insanely unrealised just how many metal rank games are lost due to DPS players having no idea how to actually play the game, while blaming everyone else. in my experience it is MOST of the time DPS who are dragging down a team, mostly because they dont get as much/the right clear instant feedback when they make a choice. e.g - spamming the choke farms damage and prevents deaths, but in reality doesnt help the team. - sneaking around the first 30 seconds of a team fight might make you lose, but lines up a juicy triple kill after the fact. it is painfully obvious when a tank or support is throwing, but harder to see when a DPS is - however you will feel it just as much in your overall performance
i am gold 4 as dps (new player) and i really struggle to play support because the dps almost never make plays. like they'll just sit behind tank and pewpew.
@@verboseessays On average, the enemy's dps will be doing the same thing. So if you are playing better as support than your equivalent, you'll eventually climb. There's no need to blame the dps, it'll just tilt them and probably make them play worse.
@@wwerty234 Really? In this current meta maybe a third of the supports are in the meta. Another 1/3rd are middling currently. The last 3rd are crap. My opinion.
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN like im in the same rank as this mf but bros mechanics are horrendous n thats not even me tryna flex im casual asf with this game 😭😭
What I see is that there's a need to improve with game awareness within your own team. It's good to hold other angles but it's also good to be aware where your teammates are. Awareness on who on your team is dead/alive is good too. Supports that have gone back to spawn cannot heal you.
mind boggling watching the supports get picked off by the reaper *in this players view* and then theyre typing in chat not understanding why they didnt get healed by their dead supports.
This is the worst gameplay I’ve ever seen. I’ve been playing for 7 years and never seen someone so bad at the game it’s so frustrating to watch. It’s like watching a child trying to force a triangle shaped block into a circle shaped entrance.
Do i play competitive overwatch 2: No. Do i still listen for tops in tricks for improvement in unranked: Yes. I have seen plenty of people like this player in unraked far too many times. They expect ranked style plays, and when something doesn't go their way they loose their minds. Then they'll quit or throw the game because they think they are superior when 90% of the time they cause the issue they complain about
It's always interesting to me whenever someone rages in qp over things that are obviously mostly their fault. I recently had an enemy ashe tell in match chat to report their tank for throwing which was confusing to me because he's the only one actually managing to hold us back at times. The ashe was positioning on low ground, almost at open space in numbani so they die quickly every fight. I also remember an enemy widow throw because they kept getting oneshot by our hanzo. The widow wasn't throwing because of the obvious skill diff but because she wasn't getting healed. Healed. From a oneshot arrow to the dome. lmao. I am not against typing in chat about some stuff like "hey rein, you can shield the ram ult" because ow is a game that is complicated and a new-ish player can be in your team when it's unranked (if the delivery isn't rude of course). There's those occasional players that are mad about the ridiculous things that confuse me.
The tanks blame damage for not getting kills, dps blame supports for no healing, and supports blame tank for feeding, it's pretty consistent in my games
Maybe on pc, but not console. I climbed out of silver easily on my first season ever maining, basically one tricking her. I was hard stuck gold for 2 seasons tho
3:17 genuinely what made this person think this was the play? Obviously staying high ground is good but there are other high grounds and they chose the one where they have the least sight on the battle field. They just…stood there. No attempt to get some shots in or add value they just watched their team die because they didn’t want to adjust their positioning. The tank did really mess that up but overwatch is a team game and you can’t control what you teammates do so you gotta adjust accordingly
Honestly, this person's biggest problem is positioning. They are constantly out of position the entire game no matter what character they were on. They need to be more aware of the strengths of their characters and play to those while playing against the strengths of the enemy team. This player doesn't seem to be thinking about any of that and is just running in after the miss a few shots and their bad positioning gets them in a really bad situation.
I love how they don’t realize at this rank that if Reaper fades in he probably is going to ult. I instinctively yelled reaper ult!!! at my screen three times before he got ult off consistently.
7:44 What’s the deal with pushing Reaper into his support and tank?? Can someone be that clueless and then complain about their supports? If I had been that Juno, I’d roast you in chat while waiting to respawn, dude. "My supports aren't healing D''': YEAH CAUSE YOU KILLED THEM. 9:39 Oh, sure, fine. Your team’s wiped, and instead of retreating and regrouping, you decide to charge at Junkrat right in front of the entire enemy team, revealing your position for them to all come after you... Honestly, the more I watch the video, the more bad decisions I see, and then they have the nerve to blame the supports.
Their ego is absurd especially considering their gameplay. im assuming the person was complaining because the supporters were dying quite a lot (usually first) and we can’t see scoreboard. (Halfway thru) Edit… wow… I’m not even done but holy moly he’s struggling with everything, and I think expects the supports to heal every inch of damage, rather than knowing/taking health packs
This game was just a constant cycle of tank and suppprts dying first, which is a bad look on them, then the dps not knowing to regroup and staggering themselves. This literally repeated all 1st round and each stagger put their whole team at a disadvantage and messed up thier ult economy. Also, this player is decent and could be gold, but they dont seem to play around their tank. If they did they could have helped with the reaper flanking all the time and supports might have lived a lot more. Lastly, dps need to recognize they are not the only ones who need healing. If you you're not in imminent danger just chill. Minimize getting blown up and one shot on dps and you will go far.
The DPS complained I wasn't healing enough as Ana, me being a payload princess, so I told them I would gladly heal more if they cared to stay on the payload... Or when you have to take care of your Ana as brig, while the DPS decide to die in out of position... No kidding, I got the same kills as brig as him in Soldier, and he still spam chat to report me because I wasn't healing enough... the other team DPS had to call him out saying that I was busy protecting the backline while he was busy dying alone...
How do u blame ur supports in this situation when ur aim is that of a potato- wait that’s an insult to potato’s because atleast if it tried to aim it’d hit something instead of the keyboard to yell at others .
"Its everyones fault i did nothing wrong they are the reason i lost the game that costs me thousands in this tournament" every new overwatch player now a days
Personally, I feel like he’s walking straight into the enemy without any regard for his safety because his aim is bad and he’s subconsciously trying to get closer to have an easier time hitting shots. My suggestion: hit the aim labs or at least switch to Reaper/Venture so you don’t feed as easily in close quarters
... did i miss the reaper "boop" during his alt that killed the juno? Or can this guy not even realize he sucks so bad that he never even did that lol... never mind, I found it.... honestly that team fight didn't even end that bad not was it a bad decision......everything else they did... well
this guy blamed the supports and called them "lacking," meanwhile two supps and a sigma held the line 3v5 for a solid minute while this egomaniac ran all in on flanks and only sometimes succeeded. genuinely, all jokes and jabs aside, if you feel like you aren't getting healed, instead of blaming the supports, ask if you're going too far in or consistently out of los; ask what YOU can do to help the supps take care of you. yes, there will occasionally be a toxic supp out there who'll throw shade at you, but the majority of the time, they will happily explain "yeah, just don't go quite so deep," or "nah, sorry i just got too focused on healing the tank," or whatever else it may be. stop immediately blaming anyone and everyone but yourself when you die constantly, and start asking what you can do better next time.
I thought my aim was bad..... why does it constantly look like they are doing the opposite of leading? The cross hair is constant not even where they ARE but where they WERE .5 sec ago......
@@WindReiter10 for real, i've seen people play low rank pc and just stand on peoples heads and they can't figure out whats going on. PC players just really need to believe that having the easier aiming system of a mouse somehow makes them better at games.
jesus... this is the type of dps player i hate having on my team. i main support and most of the time i find myself having to dps to pick up their slack. mind yo ui main lucio so i do that anyways being a lucio OTP and favoring Froggers play style. but even when im not on lucio still..... ppl blame supports but forget that YOU AREN'T THE WHOLE TEAM we have to focus on everyone else not just your dumbass putting yourself in stupid situations then failing to land any shots when you get caught by the enemy team. (on lucio i can usually save that kinda dumb plays but not on other supports that i am not that good with)
3:11 bros horizontal movement spots is too fast. Bro looks like he turned off aim assist and aim ease in to like 40. Bro has a crazy wide strafe to his shots. Go into practice range and firing range and set up bits and just shoot for a while and just tweak your controls and dial your aim in.
I’m Silver rank on all roles (high end DPS low end Tank) But reading some of these stories abt bronze silver players & how absolutely dogshit they are makes me feel like I’m super epic plat grandmaster grand wizard of the ow klan 2 cuz wtf are some of these mfs doing 😭😭
i mean you aren't wrong that the supports weren't at fault with that loss and the dps could have done better. but at the end you basically said that the supports could be going off playing bejeweled and you should handle the staying alive part, doesn't that also mean that they should have been healing? i mean yeah you can't truly trust that the heal's are going to be coming to help you and that you should memorize each map and their health packs but you can't simply just say that you shouldn't worry about what the supports are doing. there were times where the OP died and the Moira was sitting 3 feet away right clicking at the enemy team like whats that? Supports do a lot more than just heal for their team, but saying that it isn't still a part of their job i think is wrong.
Bro is just mechanical skill aim and character playstyle stuck. Just needs to understand how to play each hero better. And hit the practice range more.
From my silver experience, this was one of the “my support isn’t healing” because they’re used to having a mercy who only knows how to hold the yellow beam. You see a lot of that in low console.
it’s the same on pc tbh. had a cass yelling at our supports because they were zen illari and he kept walking straight into the enemy backline
A literal pro mercy could have pocketed them the entire game and it'd make no difference lol....
a mercy cant heal you if you get one shot by a junk 10 times out of position anyway
Mercy can't heal stupid
Correct me if i'm wrong, but Emongg is the only OW CC I've heard acknowledge that each rank plays differently. Kudos to him for sure.
yeah it’s kind of annoying to hear good players rec things like oh play here or oh do this when doing that in a given rank may actually be extremely disadvantageous thanks to how the rest of the team is playing. a play may be “optimal” but that’s only assuming your team will be supporting that play/position, and you can’t expect your team to be exactly on that wavelength in a lower rank/level of play. There are of course things that are always good to do, but recognizing the game state is pretty important
Flats does that too, but his shtick is being mean lol. He’ll try not to be too harsh on lower rank players; unless they have a huge ego and blame the entire team when they’re clearly the problem lol
@@lilkittyk4742Do be fair, that is the whole gimmick of his replay reviews: roast the hell out of them
This VOD perfectly demonstrates my support mantra: HELP ME TO HELP YOU.
Also, harrasing your supports is a great way of making them *not* want to spend extra attention on you.
Real anytime a dps complains about not getting heals because I don’t wanna peel for someone who’s fighting the enemy team ALONE without waiting for group up I straight up have to tell them like, “I can’t heal bad game sense bro” like I need you to fucken chillax from time to time so I can give you some stimmys homie 😭😭. I’m a Doomfist/Genji main rn & ik how frustrating it is to heal those two so whenever I need it I immediately run to my supps and sit still for them so they can get me lmao
"When in doubt, blame someone else" that's what I always say
this exact attitude is what i hit avoid on, blaming your supports when youre actively taking bad positions is insane
thats the standard in overwatch. People just do whatever they want and have no idea why they are dying and blame supports. I've literally had games where we have twice the healing as the other team and they are flaming the supports instead of, you know, not standing right in front of a bastion/mauga comp. The lack of awareness players have in this game is insane.
good lmao nobody wants to play with trash players like you who cant accept responsibility or critique
"My supports suck, but let's ignore me booping Reaper into my support." The ego and audacity of this person.
they literally acknowledge they did that in their submission. it's not ego and audacity when they explicitly say they know they did it and clearly imply they know it was a mistake
and they never said their supports suck. they just said they believed one of their supports wasn't doing very well. there is a difference.
@@sethescope How does that make any difference? People have said those lines before to insinuate someone was the problem. They even said "after noticing the deficit." That means they thought the supports weren't doing their job. Also 1:00 to prove my point.
I dislike "diffs" and telling each other we are trash. Smh...i don't mind if they say I'm feeding or whatever but no p9int in insults to my skill. Some of us have been playing OW a long time.
Average dps player
@@damon6086 noticing someone isn't doing their job is a pretty neutral statement of perceived fact. it doesn't mean someone sucks. "sucks" is a directly negative word that speaks to someone's overall ability. someone not doing their job or not contributing as much as the team needed them to isn't the same. the tone and framing of the issue are significantly more neutral.
stating that someone didn't do well is saying something negative (as opposed to a positive like "they did great") but it's not a judgment or an attack against the person as a whole.
nuance is important. word choices and phrasing are important. it's clear that you imputed an intent that isn't present in the submission because you want to believe something bad about the submitter but there's no textual basis for it.
I don't know that I have ever seen Emongg so visibly frustrated
Can't blame him, this one was awful, constantly feeding with awful positioning, couldn't hit any shots on Ashe, etc
Am I missing something at 15:21? Why does he just not go to the spawn doors to heal lol
Armchair Psychologist here: This feels like a player with an ego disproportionate to their rank, constantly searching for scapegoats on their team. I picture them internally blaming their supports and going mentally insane in that moment, completely unaware of the existence of spawn healing in that moment.
Probably heard somewhere he should let supports build ult by letting them heal instead and took it too far.
At that point actually getting healing isn't what the player is concerned with, you can feel how they are raging at their support for not doing their job. That and probably fear of the moira skill orb.
because this player is not bright. they are the type to blame everyone else but themselves.... the type of player that turns off brain when they play then blames everyone when they get shit on for being dumb.
Accountability! Something, some people are uncapable of doing. A character is being an issue? Time to demand other people to switch! I remember this game were Pharah was being a nuisance. I knew we needed hitscan so I swiched to Bap to aid with the issue. Moment I switch, we start rolling them and ended up winning the match. People should try to take a proactile role with issues rather than complain and expect your teammates to deal with it.
I remember a game where our supports (me) were getting bullied by a widow.
We told the team and started playing defensively.
Good news: it worked.
Bad news: the team didn't listen and pushed W anyway, blaming us for their deaths
So again we beg the DPS to deal with widow.
And their amazing fucking response immortalised in my memory:
"You're playing kiri, just snipe her"
If you know how to fit shaped blocks into shaped holes, you will understand how stupid that sentence is.
@@DodgeThatAttacktbf depending on the map kiri is a good counter to widow, but you're not gonna outsnipe her lol.
Also it shouldn't fall on only a supp to deal with a problem enemy.
@@DodgeThatAttack obviously this team was full of silly geese. however, if I may offer my personal way of approaching the problem of an enemy widow who is doing well.
there are two options, and you should feel free to pick whichever one sparks the most joy for you
1. go Moira, dive the widow yourself (use fade defensively, flat bounce healing orb to keep yourself alive, dodge and strafe)
2. go mercy, build valk, pop valk for the sole purpose of killing widow, and approach the widow from an unexpected angle and delete them with headshots while spamming space and crouch and strafing in the air
will this always 100% deal sufficiently with the widow? no. sometimes a widow just dominates and it would take teamwork to deal with them. but it WILL be personally satisfying and that's important too
@@sethescope The way I usually deal with widow as a 'one-trick' ana main is I just play sight-lines and ignore widow. The only times a widow should ever get me is if they over-extend to a position where they would be a free pick for my team regardless of what we are playing or if I over-peak the widow by accident. So far this has worked pretty well for me, though I've only been in plat/diamond so can't say if I'd be forced to switch at some point at some higher rank. Would have to ask a higher ranked player for that.
@icycloud6823 (this is a joke) but that's so boring
(this is less of a joke) but it does not do anything to actually deal with the widow that's harassing your team. sure you stay alive and that's generally good but you can't outheal a widow one shot. sometimes you gotta be the one to deal with the bullshit, and ofc what that looks like will vary by hero
@emongg I feel like this is the type of player that needs to be shown their Supports view of their position. I've fallen from G4 to S4 Support in two weeks. I admit that I was brute forcing Moira and even though I reached Plat before with her, if my team isn't playing close-ish to each other or aggressive it doesn't work. I started maining LW for the long range heals/ reload but also and MUCH more importantly, I can correct bad positioning. It has been so prevalent these past couple weeks. Climbing again, but even still I'll have teammates overcommit down a hallway way out of any Support LOS. We aren't going to sacrifice our uptime for one person in Narnia when everyone else is in position. Think it's a great idea to show them this view.
100% agree. And I'm a DPS. If you review your games from your supports' perspective, you will immediately see how many mistakes you actually make. Half the time the poor supports are sitting back trying not to lose their shit as you 1v5 out of their LOS on cooldown. Lol.
I agree with this take, everyone should see it from the supports pov. I’ve had games where people claim they “get no heals”, while they ring around the Rosie me, play dbd but I’m in the monster, or just straight up sit inside a Winston bubble or in front of a sig shield, or walk out in an already pinged widow for the 10th time.
Although, a suggestion for climbing. I’d suggest playing someone like, Kiri, Bap, Illari, as you’d get a lot more value out of these 3 & as a support it really isn’t your job to “correct” bad positioning. That’s the reason they’re stuck in that elo in the first place. However, I’m also very much a person who plays what I enjoy no matter what’s considered “good”, so. 😂
i love being a support main and sweating every game so i dont get blamed by the team cause im trying to keep myself in a decent mood so i dont stop playing after one game lol
This is why I never take getting flamed too seriously (especially since I only play MH and QP), cause I know If I went and watched the replay it would be this.
Wow what a throw. Holy cow, like I didn't really think the supports were gonna be the issue, but this is next level.
Low ranks are funny; "I was out of position and died, it's (pick a role, sometimes even the same role)'s fault!"
Had a venture flanking all game and dying solo and spamming about heals the whole time. The one time I tried as Juno to get to them a mile away they still spammed it and acted like I could do anything well out of fall off range.
to ignore people around you, blame others, and not understand what heroes do is wild
thats most overwatch players. From what I've seen, up to diamond at least, most people just get by with their aim and have actually no idea how the game works or whats going on. Which is frustrating for me because I'm the opposite and cant aim but have really good awareness. So I feel lke im just watching blind idiots wander aimlessly around the map.
Reminds me of the matches I had last night. Enemy team had teammates that completely threw a tantrum and the match once they got killed. People usually blame everyone except themselves 🤦♀️
the reason this guy was playing low ground echo is, that he hasn't changed his jump to L2 so he can do super jumps and glide while aiming. You can also just play claw, but the L2 on jump is a must for echo on console.
what do you bind the stickies to?
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@@anuarabegum1123I binded stickies to Left stick. I hope this comment doesn’t just randomly disappear
This is the reason that i stuggle to really get into overwatch cause youll have teammates just like this being toxic as hell meanwhile they are the problem. Ive seen him do some good but you cant just keep running in hoping to get healed especially when healers are at spawn. Thats one of the things thatll set me off in overwatch is being told that i need to heal when im in spawn. Its funny ill have some games where my team will sing my praise. And then immediately the next game get flamed for not healing enough. I find that its especially bad if you play LW. Ill have games where im 5/15/2 with 500 to 1000 damage and 10,000+ healing and ill still get flammed and told that i need to heal. Typically on QP which is typically much shorter than a ranked game. Anytime i try to get into ranked ill play 2 maybe 3 games and get tired of the toxicity and absolute try hardiness that goes into it. Im competitive but im not going to throw a bitch fit cause its not going well. And honestly theres a bit of difference in how QP VS ranked plays but i never get good at the differences cause i can never play more than a few games before my teammates piss me off.
I genuinely wonder if there will ever be a time when the DPS players don't blame the Supports for why they lost the game or why they were not dominating everyone.
How is this guy even silver ?? He’s aiming with his toes
This is console. So of course their aim's going to look like this lol
i swear it is insanely unrealised just how many metal rank games are lost due to DPS players having no idea how to actually play the game, while blaming everyone else.
in my experience it is MOST of the time DPS who are dragging down a team, mostly because they dont get as much/the right clear instant feedback when they make a choice. e.g
- spamming the choke farms damage and prevents deaths, but in reality doesnt help the team.
- sneaking around the first 30 seconds of a team fight might make you lose, but lines up a juicy triple kill after the fact.
it is painfully obvious when a tank or support is throwing, but harder to see when a DPS is - however you will feel it just as much in your overall performance
i am gold 4 as dps (new player) and i really struggle to play support because the dps almost never make plays. like they'll just sit behind tank and pewpew.
@@verboseessays On average, the enemy's dps will be doing the same thing. So if you are playing better as support than your equivalent, you'll eventually climb. There's no need to blame the dps, it'll just tilt them and probably make them play worse.
and those supports were probably sweating hard to try to keep the other useful teammates up to win the game
This is the dps that complains about supports being OP on reddit
I mean I’m master 3 support main and 1 dps atm and think support heros are OP in this meta.
@@wwerty234 Really? In this current meta maybe a third of the supports are in the meta. Another 1/3rd are middling currently. The last 3rd are crap. My opinion.
damn i thought i was bad
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN like im in the same rank as this mf but bros mechanics are horrendous n thats not even me tryna flex im casual asf with this game 😭😭
newsflash : you cant get healed if you get one shotted out of position :o
What I see is that there's a need to improve with game awareness within your own team. It's good to hold other angles but it's also good to be aware where your teammates are. Awareness on who on your team is dead/alive is good too. Supports that have gone back to spawn cannot heal you.
mind boggling watching the supports get picked off by the reaper *in this players view* and then theyre typing in chat not understanding why they didnt get healed by their dead supports.
Honestly funniest part of this video is watching someone in chat argue that console aim assist is broken while watching this gameplay hehe
This is the worst gameplay I’ve ever seen. I’ve been playing for 7 years and never seen someone so bad at the game it’s so frustrating to watch. It’s like watching a child trying to force a triangle shaped block into a circle shaped entrance.
lol. That comment reminds me of the Idiocracy IQ test prison scene with the people trying to put the wooden blocks in the correct holes.
Do i play competitive overwatch 2: No.
Do i still listen for tops in tricks for improvement in unranked: Yes.
I have seen plenty of people like this player in unraked far too many times. They expect ranked style plays, and when something doesn't go their way they loose their minds. Then they'll quit or throw the game because they think they are superior when 90% of the time they cause the issue they complain about
It's always interesting to me whenever someone rages in qp over things that are obviously mostly their fault. I recently had an enemy ashe tell in match chat to report their tank for throwing which was confusing to me because he's the only one actually managing to hold us back at times. The ashe was positioning on low ground, almost at open space in numbani so they die quickly every fight. I also remember an enemy widow throw because they kept getting oneshot by our hanzo. The widow wasn't throwing because of the obvious skill diff but because she wasn't getting healed. Healed. From a oneshot arrow to the dome. lmao.
I am not against typing in chat about some stuff like "hey rein, you can shield the ram ult" because ow is a game that is complicated and a new-ish player can be in your team when it's unranked (if the delivery isn't rude of course). There's those occasional players that are mad about the ridiculous things that confuse me.
remember always blame tank
Nah the tanks always blame us supps
The tanks blame damage for not getting kills, dps blame supports for no healing, and supports blame tank for feeding, it's pretty consistent in my games
Playing Echo in silver is already a recipe for disaster
Maybe on pc, but not console. I climbed out of silver easily on my first season ever maining, basically one tricking her. I was hard stuck gold for 2 seasons tho
3:17 genuinely what made this person think this was the play? Obviously staying high ground is good but there are other high grounds and they chose the one where they have the least sight on the battle field. They just…stood there. No attempt to get some shots in or add value they just watched their team die because they didn’t want to adjust their positioning. The tank did really mess that up but overwatch is a team game and you can’t control what you teammates do so you gotta adjust accordingly
holy player worthy of going to aimlabs
This is a console game. There are no aimlabs
@@teamili7957they NEED to find something because jm pretty sure rhey hit 2 shots whole game
@ then god help them
@@teamili7957my friend actually found a decent one
@@teamili7957 xbox has aimlabs
23:01 emongg is looking for a battery sponsorship. 😂😂
Always blame the support , When you can hear the stomping Reaper in the backline and ignored him .....
Honestly, this person's biggest problem is positioning. They are constantly out of position the entire game no matter what character they were on. They need to be more aware of the strengths of their characters and play to those while playing against the strengths of the enemy team. This player doesn't seem to be thinking about any of that and is just running in after the miss a few shots and their bad positioning gets them in a really bad situation.
I don't understand how people can blame others without realizing what they could've done better. Istg ego in in this game is so high
Ah, yes, the coffee and vegetables i remember this stream
I love how they don’t realize at this rank that if Reaper fades in he probably is going to ult. I instinctively yelled reaper ult!!! at my screen three times before he got ult off consistently.
7:44 What’s the deal with pushing Reaper into his support and tank?? Can someone be that clueless and then complain about their supports? If I had been that Juno, I’d roast you in chat while waiting to respawn, dude. "My supports aren't healing D''': YEAH CAUSE YOU KILLED THEM.
9:39 Oh, sure, fine. Your team’s wiped, and instead of retreating and regrouping, you decide to charge at Junkrat right in front of the entire enemy team, revealing your position for them to all come after you... Honestly, the more I watch the video, the more bad decisions I see, and then they have the nerve to blame the supports.
Their ego is absurd especially considering their gameplay. im assuming the person was complaining because the supporters were dying quite a lot (usually first) and we can’t see scoreboard. (Halfway thru)
Edit… wow… I’m not even done but holy moly he’s struggling with everything, and I think expects the supports to heal every inch of damage, rather than knowing/taking health packs
This game was just a constant cycle of tank and suppprts dying first, which is a bad look on them, then the dps not knowing to regroup and staggering themselves. This literally repeated all 1st round and each stagger put their whole team at a disadvantage and messed up thier ult economy. Also, this player is decent and could be gold, but they dont seem to play around their tank. If they did they could have helped with the reaper flanking all the time and supports might have lived a lot more. Lastly, dps need to recognize they are not the only ones who need healing. If you you're not in imminent danger just chill. Minimize getting blown up and one shot on dps and you will go far.
I see someone who has more room to improve than the supports. Absolutely terrible DPS play
The DPS complained I wasn't healing enough as Ana, me being a payload princess, so I told them I would gladly heal more if they cared to stay on the payload... Or when you have to take care of your Ana as brig, while the DPS decide to die in out of position... No kidding, I got the same kills as brig as him in Soldier, and he still spam chat to report me because I wasn't healing enough... the other team DPS had to call him out saying that I was busy protecting the backline while he was busy dying alone...
How do u blame ur supports in this situation when ur aim is that of a potato- wait that’s an insult to potato’s because atleast if it tried to aim it’d hit something instead of the keyboard to yell at others .
always a good day when emongg uploads
"Its everyones fault i did nothing wrong they are the reason i lost the game that costs me thousands in this tournament" every new overwatch player now a days
Clasic dps player. Tanks and supports get all the heat while they play team death match...
Personally Ashe is just a weird dps even on console, when adsing i can't tell if she is a hitscan or projectile with how inconsistent it hits enemies.
Personally, I feel like he’s walking straight into the enemy without any regard for his safety because his aim is bad and he’s subconsciously trying to get closer to have an easier time hitting shots.
My suggestion: hit the aim labs or at least switch to Reaper/Venture so you don’t feed as easily in close quarters
I need y'all to stop telling people to go to aimlabs when it literally doesn't improve your aim.
... did i miss the reaper "boop" during his alt that killed the juno? Or can this guy not even realize he sucks so bad that he never even did that lol... never mind, I found it.... honestly that team fight didn't even end that bad not was it a bad decision......everything else they did... well
this guy blamed the supports and called them "lacking," meanwhile two supps and a sigma held the line 3v5 for a solid minute while this egomaniac ran all in on flanks and only sometimes succeeded.
genuinely, all jokes and jabs aside, if you feel like you aren't getting healed, instead of blaming the supports, ask if you're going too far in or consistently out of los; ask what YOU can do to help the supps take care of you. yes, there will occasionally be a toxic supp out there who'll throw shade at you, but the majority of the time, they will happily explain "yeah, just don't go quite so deep," or "nah, sorry i just got too focused on healing the tank," or whatever else it may be. stop immediately blaming anyone and everyone but yourself when you die constantly, and start asking what you can do better next time.
Eyo thats my aim fr fr
7:30 how rare is that voiceline
Yeah it not the support fault, they have to heal the tank, it a problem if they don't heal you at times and only the tank.
i’ll just stick to my lucio one trick..
Alright So!!
why 720p
I can help with that Ashe aim- learn what Dual Zone is so you stop flicking off people at 100 mph.
I thought my aim was bad..... why does it constantly look like they are doing the opposite of leading? The cross hair is constant not even where they ARE but where they WERE .5 sec ago......
Is it just me, or is the Ashe play looking like a zoomed Cass player?
Naw this guy is oblivious
Silver console looks like cardboard 5
Come on, is not that bad, at least plastic 3
Really not that different from silver pc
@@WindReiter10 for real, i've seen people play low rank pc and just stand on peoples heads and they can't figure out whats going on. PC players just really need to believe that having the easier aiming system of a mouse somehow makes them better at games.
jesus... this is the type of dps player i hate having on my team. i main support and most of the time i find myself having to dps to pick up their slack. mind yo ui main lucio so i do that anyways being a lucio OTP and favoring Froggers play style. but even when im not on lucio still..... ppl blame supports but forget that YOU AREN'T THE WHOLE TEAM we have to focus on everyone else not just your dumbass putting yourself in stupid situations then failing to land any shots when you get caught by the enemy team. (on lucio i can usually save that kinda dumb plays but not on other supports that i am not that good with)
3:11 bros horizontal movement spots is too fast. Bro looks like he turned off aim assist and aim ease in to like 40. Bro has a crazy wide strafe to his shots. Go into practice range and firing range and set up bits and just shoot for a while and just tweak your controls and dial your aim in.
How am I in bronze 1 and this guy is in silver 3!!!!
This guy is the epitome of the useless feeder DPS lol. Guy self-staggered 1v4 or 1v5 like every time and is blaming team
I’m Silver rank on all roles (high end DPS low end Tank) But reading some of these stories abt bronze silver players & how absolutely dogshit they are makes me feel like I’m super epic plat grandmaster grand wizard of the ow klan 2 cuz wtf are some of these mfs doing 😭😭
ALRIGHT SO
If this is silver 3 dps get me in at least gold not bronze 1 bruh fml these players are why elo hell is real
Bro blames his support while playing like this...dude...you are not good lol
i mean you aren't wrong that the supports weren't at fault with that loss and the dps could have done better. but at the end you basically said that the supports could be going off playing bejeweled and you should handle the staying alive part, doesn't that also mean that they should have been healing? i mean yeah you can't truly trust that the heal's are going to be coming to help you and that you should memorize each map and their health packs but you can't simply just say that you shouldn't worry about what the supports are doing. there were times where the OP died and the Moira was sitting 3 feet away right clicking at the enemy team like whats that? Supports do a lot more than just heal for their team, but saying that it isn't still a part of their job i think is wrong.
20:08 you could be tank if you copy the tank . If anyone is wandering which hero should i copy on echo is away the tank and away have been.
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This looks bronze
Bro is just mechanical skill aim and character playstyle stuck. Just needs to understand how to play each hero better. And hit the practice range more.
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