I would use a bowline with a toggle on one side and the truckers hitch the other, the difference I would make is too go through the trucker loop twice and it will bite on itself. 👍👍
In the scouts we used the taut line for pretty much anything. 20 years later, I'm still doing the same. Either I'm lucky or people exaggerate about it slipping? Most I kinda think could be caused by rope stretch, or pulling tents and tarps in the other directions you're binding it down. I just don't ever recall having to do much readjusting after getting everything set up, not counting big wind storms.
Agree on the Taut Line never slipping on me, especially if you tie that last half-hitch mirror to the standard way; it prevents it slipping while still allowing adjustment. Trucker's Hitch seems most useful when securing loads tightly and securely, but I can't imagine needing that in buschcraft scenarios. In ~40 years I've never had an outdoor need to secure a load where I couldn't use ratchet straps to perform the same job, better.
Interesting and helpful. As I've mentioned before, I love the comparisons. Not only do they help me understand the uses and advantages, strengths and weakpoints of the different knots, they give me a fallback. If I forget how to tie one knot, I may remember the other. I also LOVE seeing you actually use the knot in real situations. I would like to see more of that. What I keep looking for but haven't found yet is something such as where you would describe a situation and then show which options there are. So often, since I'm very new at this, I revert to maybe the only knot I remember (the square knot) but more and more I can do other ones and it's a great feeling. Thank you. I like your enthusiasm. Your love of knots really comes through! I think that may be why I like your videos the most.
Thanks Barbara, I'm planning on doing many more videos showing how to use the knots and will be filming them over the coming months while I'm out on backcountry canoe trips. They'll be similar to my recent How to tie an Axe Hitch video th-cam.com/video/BLMUi3ME3pY/w-d-xo.html
If you want the trucker's hitch to be adjustable, you can finish it off with a tautline/midshipman's hitch (instead of finishing with the two half-hitches). This will give you the benefit of the trucker's hitch but with a quick-adjustment for the final tension.
Excellent tutorial! In a camping scenario they can serve similar uses but in the working world they are much different. If I had to secure a heavy load on a vehicle or boat where having that load come lose could result in injury or death there is no question which knot I would use... The Truckers Hitch. I'm glad you pointed out this may not be the best knot to learn for youth. I find myself getting confused on my first attempt after not using it for awhile. The taut-line hitch is much easier to learn. Like you I have mostly replaced this knot with the Midshipman's knot although recently I have been playing around with the Farrimond Friction Hitch and the Prusik Hitch.
I have always used two half hitches instead of the figure eight knot. Hasn't failed me yet and it's easier to untie. Thank you very much for a great video.
Fascinating to me how relatively recent some of these friction hitches are, in the big picture, due to advances in rope technology. At first I would have assumed humans would have figured out all these knots 5,000 years ago, but you can't really do them with the kind of rope they had back then.
@@danielmuller4829 Well I may be wrong, but I tried it myself and I can't make it work. Modern high-tech tree-climbers ropes that are smooth, kinda like paracord, I can tie friction-hitches like the tautline, or Falconer's hitch, or Blake's hitch, where the ropes have to slide along against themselves. For example the Blake's hitch was only invented in like the 1980's. Old-school woven ropes, like hemp or whatever, imagine old sailor's ropes, have all these ridges in them and they bind up because there's TOO much friction. Conversely, some very old knots like the sheepshank seem to work better with old-school ropes. And the ancient classics, like the bowline or clove hitch, work great with whatever. I'm a novice but that's my observation.
Great instructional video! Thank you. In my opinion/experience the taut line (or midshipman) works better with ropes of larger diameter with less slack or elasticity.
Thanks for the very informative video! I have a new challenge for my knots, setting up guylines for tarp poles. Is one knot better than the other in terms of protecting a tarp pole from bending? As if one type of knot can take more tension off of the pole. Not sure if I'm understanding the physics right...
I never use a figure eight knot. That would need to be untied after, and if it's tight it can be a problem. You can use a "bite" twisted twice and its easily untied and secure. Putting a knot as in figure 8 is not how I was shown to tie a truckers hitch.
i just tried maybe i didn't understand properly but when i tried with a two twist bite it was barely a knot at all. the slightest pull pulled it straight or itd just turn into a half hitch knot. i used the alpine butterfly and that worked pretty well though
I've watched a couple of your videos now featuring the taut-line hitch and I have a question. I was taught to do 3 turns inside the loop with the taut-line hitch and I see that you use only two. Do you suppose three turns helps it hold better under load/use/vibration etc.?
Greetings from Warsaw, Poland. Please use CLOSE UP's as many as possible. Otherwise most of your presentation is useless for those who want to learn knots you show. By the way, scenery is marvelous. Best regards Jurek
You make assumptions that I would know your Figure 8 know and Half Hitch. Nope, I sure do not know those knots. However, I can crochet free handed and by patterns.
@@JasonsKnotChannel In other words, show a closer shot of the knots your tieing around the tree. Your too far away. Less talking; just hit main points of knots your illustrating.
@@r.abeyta6458 There are close ups of how to tie the knots, it doesn't change. I think this video is too advanced for you. You should probably start here: th-cam.com/video/8C__PJcI1LE/w-d-xo.html and then here: th-cam.com/video/t1XdUgWSJcg/w-d-xo.html to learn the knots. Practice them for a while and then this video will be a lot easier for you.
Bowline and trucker’s hitch is the best combination I’ve employed so far
I would use a bowline with a toggle on one side and the truckers hitch the other, the difference I would make is too go through the trucker loop twice and it will bite on itself. 👍👍
In the scouts we used the taut line for pretty much anything. 20 years later, I'm still doing the same. Either I'm lucky or people exaggerate about it slipping? Most I kinda think could be caused by rope stretch, or pulling tents and tarps in the other directions you're binding it down. I just don't ever recall having to do much readjusting after getting everything set up, not counting big wind storms.
Agree on the Taut Line never slipping on me, especially if you tie that last half-hitch mirror to the standard way; it prevents it slipping while still allowing adjustment. Trucker's Hitch seems most useful when securing loads tightly and securely, but I can't imagine needing that in buschcraft scenarios. In ~40 years I've never had an outdoor need to secure a load where I couldn't use ratchet straps to perform the same job, better.
I tried the taut line with a shoelace and it was slipping, could hold a small tension only
Binding knot vs adjustable hitch, to me, that was the important part of your video. The purpose of the knot determines which one to use. Good vid.
Thanks. Yes, I agree. Good to know the difference between the two.
Interesting and helpful. As I've mentioned before, I love the comparisons. Not only do they help me understand the uses and advantages, strengths and weakpoints of the different knots, they give me a fallback. If I forget how to tie one knot, I may remember the other. I also LOVE seeing you actually use the knot in real situations. I would like to see more of that. What I keep looking for but haven't found yet is something such as where you would describe a situation and then show which options there are. So often, since I'm very new at this, I revert to maybe the only knot I remember (the square knot) but more and more I can do other ones and it's a great feeling. Thank you. I like your enthusiasm. Your love of knots really comes through! I think that may be why I like your videos the most.
Thanks Barbara,
I'm planning on doing many more videos showing how to use the knots and will be filming them over the coming months while I'm out on backcountry canoe trips. They'll be similar to my recent How to tie an Axe Hitch video th-cam.com/video/BLMUi3ME3pY/w-d-xo.html
Great! I look forward to watching them!
If you want the trucker's hitch to be adjustable, you can finish it off with a tautline/midshipman's hitch (instead of finishing with the two half-hitches). This will give you the benefit of the trucker's hitch but with a quick-adjustment for the final tension.
This is what I do
Excellent tutorial! In a camping scenario they can serve similar uses but in the working world they are much different. If I had to secure a heavy load on a vehicle or boat where having that load come lose could result in injury or death there is no question which knot I would use... The Truckers Hitch. I'm glad you pointed out this may not be the best knot to learn for youth. I find myself getting confused on my first attempt after not using it for awhile. The taut-line hitch is much easier to learn. Like you I have mostly replaced this knot with the Midshipman's knot although recently I have been playing around with the Farrimond Friction Hitch and the Prusik Hitch.
I have always used two half hitches instead of the figure eight knot. Hasn't failed me yet and it's easier to untie. Thank you very much for a great video.
correct
Nice comparison. Thanks for posting.
Fascinating to me how relatively recent some of these friction hitches are, in the big picture, due to advances in rope technology. At first I would have assumed humans would have figured out all these knots 5,000 years ago, but you can't really do them with the kind of rope they had back then.
That's interesting. Could you please explain why you couldn't tie those recent knots with the ropes they had back then?
@@danielmuller4829 Well I may be wrong, but I tried it myself and I can't make it work. Modern high-tech tree-climbers ropes that are smooth, kinda like paracord, I can tie friction-hitches like the tautline, or Falconer's hitch, or Blake's hitch, where the ropes have to slide along against themselves. For example the Blake's hitch was only invented in like the 1980's. Old-school woven ropes, like hemp or whatever, imagine old sailor's ropes, have all these ridges in them and they bind up because there's TOO much friction. Conversely, some very old knots like the sheepshank seem to work better with old-school ropes. And the ancient classics, like the bowline or clove hitch, work great with whatever. I'm a novice but that's my observation.
Great instructional video! Thank you. In my opinion/experience the taut line (or midshipman) works better with ropes of larger diameter with less slack or elasticity.
Thanks for the very informative video! I have a new challenge for my knots, setting up guylines for tarp poles. Is one knot better than the other in terms of protecting a tarp pole from bending? As if one type of knot can take more tension off of the pole. Not sure if I'm understanding the physics right...
Great video!
Your hand obstructed our view of how you were making the knot. Defeats the purpose of showing how to do this.
No it doesn't
Thanks, Jason 👍🙂
Thank you.
Thanks for sharing , God bless !
Thanks. Same to you!
The trucker hitch I like the most is using a clove hitch.. easier to untie I think.
Right on
I never use a figure eight knot. That would need to be untied after, and if it's tight it can be a problem. You can use a "bite" twisted twice and its easily untied and secure. Putting a knot as in figure 8 is not how I was shown to tie a truckers hitch.
i just tried maybe i didn't understand properly but when i tried with a two twist bite it was barely a knot at all. the slightest pull pulled it straight or itd just turn into a half hitch knot. i used the alpine butterfly and that worked pretty well though
If I have to tie something down at work I use the taut line on one side and the truckers hitch off the other. Never had the taut line come loose.
yet
why would you use two tension knots at the same time? you only need to tension the line once
I've watched a couple of your videos now featuring the taut-line hitch and I have a question. I was taught to do 3 turns inside the loop with the taut-line hitch and I see that you use only two. Do you suppose three turns helps it hold better under load/use/vibration etc.?
I'm really not sure. I would suspect a third turn would add more friction inside the loop.
I've only ever heard of 2 turns. 3 would seem to make it more secure but harder to adjust.
I prefer the midshipman's hitch as it slips less.
Greetings from Warsaw, Poland. Please use CLOSE UP's as many as possible. Otherwise most of your presentation is useless for those who want to learn knots you show. By the way, scenery is marvelous.
Best regards
Jurek
You make assumptions that I would know your Figure 8 know and Half Hitch. Nope, I sure do not know those knots. However, I can crochet free handed and by patterns.
The music is not necessary. Why do you TH-camrs do that?
Midshipmans > taut line
Poor camera work, Can't see anything you do. Might as well be around d a corner so everybody where.
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Truckers hitch wins
Your not demonstrating how to tie knots at the tree
Very poor illustration. Too much dialogue.
What?
@@JasonsKnotChannel In other words, show a closer shot of the knots your tieing around the tree. Your too far away. Less
talking; just hit main points of knots your illustrating.
@@r.abeyta6458 There are close ups of how to tie the knots, it doesn't change. I think this video is too advanced for you. You should probably start here: th-cam.com/video/8C__PJcI1LE/w-d-xo.html and then here: th-cam.com/video/t1XdUgWSJcg/w-d-xo.html to learn the knots. Practice them for a while and then this video will be a lot easier for you.