Illusionist Bracers won't double the extra dice. The wording is tricky because it refers to mana produced by treasures. Mana is not an object. Rule 707.10 seems to say that it will copy the effect of the treasures. But the example provided clarifies. Example: Dawnglow Infusion is a sorcery that reads, “You gain X life if {G} was spent to cast this spell and X life if {W} was spent to cast it.” Because mana isn’t an object, a copy of Dawnglow Infusion won’t cause you to gain any life, no matter what mana was spent to cast the original spell.
Some really nice includes that weren't mentioned: Rose Room Treasurer- this makes two treasures per turn when a creature (including tokens) enters the battlefield. 5D6 on average produces 2.5 3/3s from the commander, so you should get refunded two treasures with every activation. With a way to untap the commander on opponents turn this can get out of hand. Professional Face-Breaker- This can produce 1 treasure per opponent you smack each turn and turns treasure into impulse draw. Neyali, Sun's Vanguard- Give your attacking robots double strike and rewards attacks with impulse draw. Mahadi, Emporium Master- Rewards attacking with a treasure per thing that dies on your turn. Rankle and Torbran- Sneaky good in this deck. Pick all 3 options and you get a lot of value, including all your robots dealing 2 damage each more damage to players. Grim Hireling- Like a professional facebreaker but at you get 2 treasures per player hit. Bonehoard Dracosaur- A silly powerful magic card. Impulse draw and make treasure and more creature tokens every upkeep. Kuldotha Forgemaster- An artifact tutor on a stick that cheats straight to the battlefield. Rebbec, Architect of Ascension- Between the tokens, mana rocks, and your commander, you're artifacts will have protection from CMC 0, 2, and 3 almost garaunteed. This is sneaky good with Liquimetal Torque. Steel Overseer- Running Drumbellower, Unwinding Cloak, or Clock of Omens for your commander? Then Steel Overseer is a big problem for the pod. Smuggler's stash- Card draw and treasure income. It's no smothering tithe, but it's good in this deck. Monologue Tax- This will produce treasure every turn cycle. It's no smothering tithe, but it's good in this deck. Drumbellower and Unwinding Clock- Great way to get extra activations out of your commander. Even if you don't have treasures, unwinding clock is going to get you extra dice rolls with your rocks and Drumbellower gives your creatures effective Vigilance for defense. Losheel, Clockwork Scholar- Card draw and a dolman gate for your tokens effect
I put bonehoard dracosaur in ur dragon and every time i put it on the table it pretty much won the game on its own, which is pretty silly for 4 cmc after ur dragon discount.
@@FilthyWeeb27 It's one of those cards where you read the first line or two of text and you expect a downside. Instead the next paragraph just keeps listing upsides. Then you go through and read it a couple more times just to make sure your read it right because that isn't how red magic cards are supposed to work.
@@andrewpeli9019 Ya, big body with decent keywords. Card draw, ramp and free bodies all in one? And since it is only 5 mana (4 with ur dragon) it feels really bad to spend spot removal on it since something more threatening will come out on curve
@@FilthyWeeb27ur dragon he does seem nuts in but i havent used it in other decks because 5 mana wait until next turn to get value seemed slow to me but maybe im judging the cards value wrong ill definitely try him out in some lists if you think hes worth it
All great suggestions but i feel rebbec is super underrated for this deck right? I forgot that card existed and i feel like getting in with 3/3s is the hardest hoop to jump through for this deck to win and the deck especially the commander needs protection and rebbec is both
I think you should definitely have a couple more dice rolling cards in there, but i think the treasure build is just the better way to go with me house.
I'm gonna use this as a base for a competitive version but I'm also building a more on theme version with Attractions and cards with a "casino" feel like Dance With Calamity (Blackjack) and Fiery Gambit. Also Helios One is of course on theme but isn't it just a really bad Blast Zone in this deck? (speaking of which how was Blast Zone not in ANY of the precons?)
Yeah it is, I almost cut it, but I just added it for the theme. There are a few of those kinds of theme cards in here that are easy cuts (loyal apprentice is another one).
I'm taking a very similar approach with my Mr. House build, I actually just reedited it again yesterday and went for a bit more of a combo-y approach just like you and cut some of the slower dice rolling attackers. What do you think of some of the dice support enchantments? In my list I've been testing out Priority Boarding and Night Shift of the Living Dead, Night Shift honestly may get cut but the ability to cheat a roll can be really useful (plus cheating 5s and 7s up/down to a 6 means you get a 3/3, 2/2, and treasure with House out), and Priority Boarding's impulse draw is really nice, plus with it being a "may" ability you can just wait until you roll higher than your curve on a D20 (very easy in my list). Otherwise, our lists look pretty similar! I went with a bit less targetted removal but that was to fit in some of my favorite tricksy counterspells Rebuff the Wicked/Pyroblast/Red Elemental Blast.
I nearly ran Night Shift of the Living Dead, it's pretty solid when rolling a bunch of D6s. I didn't like Priority Boarding in a combo deck (just because you can accidently exile pieces you need), but if you don't care about that it certainly will let you see some cards.
Im confident in saying almost *no one* in the world will pull off the luck bobblehead win con. Pretty sure its in the millions on millions to one chance of rolling 7 d 6 and get the same resultA
@swawslord how did you calculate it? Regardless, it'll fall under time wasting because it cant be shortcutted as an action. So yeah not a viable win con! Just a flavourful addition.
I know I'm months late. You probably even already saw it, but someone did the math. In Commander, absolutely correct it's a terrible strategy. But to get the guaranteed success whenever you declare a Luck Bobblehead. You simply need 42 on board. Since you're rolling 42 dice at once. The statistical likelihood of you ONLY rolling 42 five or lower is so unlikely it's in the exact opposite direction of luck.
I wouldn't waste treasures on the 2nd ability unless I really had to. Instead i'm just running more dice rolls, as well as Attractions, Clown Car & Attempted Murder from Unfinity. The treasure production doesn't outstrip Jan Janssen but you get bigger token creatures and hey, rolling d20s is fun.
Not using his second ability is a mistake. Four treasures into it rolls 5D6. You will not find cards that roll 1.25 dice per mana. This is literally the most mana efficient way to roll dice that exists in magic. There are lots of cards in Mardu that benefit treasure and very few cards that roll dice outright that are any good. Making a Mr. House deck that doesn't incorporate the second half of the card is going to result in an absolute jank deck. That's fine if you want something that competes with new players running decks worse than pre-cons. But if you want Mr. House to fire at a 6-8 power level, you'll need to lean into treasures.
@@JadeIsBunnyyou are consistently winning with just 4 treasure in a mr.house deck? Id love to see your list if thats true because mr.houses ability is a great payoff in this deck and the main engine it runs off of
@@kingofsaltt3836 Not what I said at all, lol. You have to think of it as opportunity costs. House's 2nd simply asks too much for too little in return. I need treasure to reach my critical turn faster and 2.5 robots more isn't going to be worth it. It just isn't.
4 mana 2.5 3/3s with potential for more upside with my playtesting ive only hit less then 2 off of it like once especially since the deck has a ton of ways to up your chances and other dice rolling cards are wayyy slower if you wanna roll dice hes the best payoff besides the 3 or 4 good d20 cards
3/8/2024 ruling Some cards from other releases may instruct you to roll dice other than six-sided dice. Results of 4 or higher on those dice cause Mr. House's first ability to trigger. Gather wizards website sadly.
No this is good. It is I who lacks reading comprehension. I read to fast for my own good. I thought it was saying it would only trigger the FIRST PART of his ability
I reckon if he had blue he'd be too powerful, just imagine all the artifact synergy you'd have access to. Sadly, I think the real reason is that they wanted to put him in the Caesar deck, and that deck is based around Caesar's colours. I would have preferred to see him in the Dr Li deck instead so he's have blue, red and white.
@@durdleengine I honestly don't think jeskai fits him at all. Sure, he kept yapping about progress and civilization and technology, but the prime motivation has always been greed. He earned that black pip if you ask me.
Illusionist Bracers won't double the extra dice. The wording is tricky because it refers to mana produced by treasures. Mana is not an object.
Rule 707.10 seems to say that it will copy the effect of the treasures. But the example provided clarifies.
Example: Dawnglow Infusion is a sorcery that reads, “You gain X life if {G} was spent to cast this spell and X life if {W} was spent to cast it.” Because mana isn’t an object, a copy of Dawnglow Infusion won’t cause you to gain any life, no matter what mana was spent to cast the original spell.
Ah darn, I did look up this and still got it wrong. Thanks for the info, will pin this for others.
@@durdleengineDont worry, literally everyone is getting this wrong. Decktech also did the same thing. Its not very intuitive
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Some really nice includes that weren't mentioned:
Rose Room Treasurer- this makes two treasures per turn when a creature (including tokens) enters the battlefield. 5D6 on average produces 2.5 3/3s from the commander, so you should get refunded two treasures with every activation. With a way to untap the commander on opponents turn this can get out of hand.
Professional Face-Breaker- This can produce 1 treasure per opponent you smack each turn and turns treasure into impulse draw.
Neyali, Sun's Vanguard- Give your attacking robots double strike and rewards attacks with impulse draw.
Mahadi, Emporium Master- Rewards attacking with a treasure per thing that dies on your turn.
Rankle and Torbran- Sneaky good in this deck. Pick all 3 options and you get a lot of value, including all your robots dealing 2 damage each more damage to players.
Grim Hireling- Like a professional facebreaker but at you get 2 treasures per player hit.
Bonehoard Dracosaur- A silly powerful magic card. Impulse draw and make treasure and more creature tokens every upkeep.
Kuldotha Forgemaster- An artifact tutor on a stick that cheats straight to the battlefield.
Rebbec, Architect of Ascension- Between the tokens, mana rocks, and your commander, you're artifacts will have protection from CMC 0, 2, and 3 almost garaunteed. This is sneaky good with Liquimetal Torque.
Steel Overseer- Running Drumbellower, Unwinding Cloak, or Clock of Omens for your commander? Then Steel Overseer is a big problem for the pod.
Smuggler's stash- Card draw and treasure income. It's no smothering tithe, but it's good in this deck.
Monologue Tax- This will produce treasure every turn cycle. It's no smothering tithe, but it's good in this deck.
Drumbellower and Unwinding Clock- Great way to get extra activations out of your commander. Even if you don't have treasures, unwinding clock is going to get you extra dice rolls with your rocks and Drumbellower gives your creatures effective Vigilance for defense.
Losheel, Clockwork Scholar- Card draw and a dolman gate for your tokens effect
I put bonehoard dracosaur in ur dragon and every time i put it on the table it pretty much won the game on its own, which is pretty silly for 4 cmc after ur dragon discount.
@@FilthyWeeb27 It's one of those cards where you read the first line or two of text and you expect a downside. Instead the next paragraph just keeps listing upsides. Then you go through and read it a couple more times just to make sure your read it right because that isn't how red magic cards are supposed to work.
@@andrewpeli9019 Ya, big body with decent keywords. Card draw, ramp and free bodies all in one? And since it is only 5 mana (4 with ur dragon) it feels really bad to spend spot removal on it since something more threatening will come out on curve
@@FilthyWeeb27ur dragon he does seem nuts in but i havent used it in other decks because 5 mana wait until next turn to get value seemed slow to me but maybe im judging the cards value wrong ill definitely try him out in some lists if you think hes worth it
All great suggestions but i feel rebbec is super underrated for this deck right? I forgot that card existed and i feel like getting in with 3/3s is the hardest hoop to jump through for this deck to win and the deck especially the commander needs protection and rebbec is both
I do enjoy this video good audio quality and visuals
I think you should definitely have a couple more dice rolling cards in there, but i think the treasure build is just the better way to go with me house.
I'd love to see more tribal ranking videos!
I'm gonna use this as a base for a competitive version but I'm also building a more on theme version with Attractions and cards with a "casino" feel like Dance With Calamity (Blackjack) and Fiery Gambit.
Also Helios One is of course on theme but isn't it just a really bad Blast Zone in this deck? (speaking of which how was Blast Zone not in ANY of the precons?)
Yeah it is, I almost cut it, but I just added it for the theme. There are a few of those kinds of theme cards in here that are easy cuts (loyal apprentice is another one).
Nice take. Thanks!
I'm taking a very similar approach with my Mr. House build, I actually just reedited it again yesterday and went for a bit more of a combo-y approach just like you and cut some of the slower dice rolling attackers. What do you think of some of the dice support enchantments? In my list I've been testing out Priority Boarding and Night Shift of the Living Dead, Night Shift honestly may get cut but the ability to cheat a roll can be really useful (plus cheating 5s and 7s up/down to a 6 means you get a 3/3, 2/2, and treasure with House out), and Priority Boarding's impulse draw is really nice, plus with it being a "may" ability you can just wait until you roll higher than your curve on a D20 (very easy in my list). Otherwise, our lists look pretty similar! I went with a bit less targetted removal but that was to fit in some of my favorite tricksy counterspells Rebuff the Wicked/Pyroblast/Red Elemental Blast.
I nearly ran Night Shift of the Living Dead, it's pretty solid when rolling a bunch of D6s. I didn't like Priority Boarding in a combo deck (just because you can accidently exile pieces you need), but if you don't care about that it certainly will let you see some cards.
Im confident in saying almost *no one* in the world will pull off the luck bobblehead win con. Pretty sure its in the millions on millions to one chance of rolling 7 d 6 and get the same resultA
It becomes much easier to do if you get to roll 3 dice for each and take the best one. But yes, without help it's impossible.
Actually it's a one in around a quarter million.
@swawslord how did you calculate it?
Regardless, it'll fall under time wasting because it cant be shortcutted as an action. So yeah not a viable win con! Just a flavourful addition.
I did with Urza Lord High Artificer. The bobbleheads plus a Right of Replication kicked. It is definitely possible.
I know I'm months late. You probably even already saw it, but someone did the math. In Commander, absolutely correct it's a terrible strategy. But to get the guaranteed success whenever you declare a Luck Bobblehead. You simply need 42 on board. Since you're rolling 42 dice at once. The statistical likelihood of you ONLY rolling 42 five or lower is so unlikely it's in the exact opposite direction of luck.
Feels like its very dependent on vexing puzzlebox. What would you do if it got removed early?
I wouldn't waste treasures on the 2nd ability unless I really had to. Instead i'm just running more dice rolls, as well as Attractions, Clown Car & Attempted Murder from Unfinity. The treasure production doesn't outstrip Jan Janssen but you get bigger token creatures and hey, rolling d20s is fun.
Not using his second ability is a mistake. Four treasures into it rolls 5D6. You will not find cards that roll 1.25 dice per mana. This is literally the most mana efficient way to roll dice that exists in magic. There are lots of cards in Mardu that benefit treasure and very few cards that roll dice outright that are any good. Making a Mr. House deck that doesn't incorporate the second half of the card is going to result in an absolute jank deck. That's fine if you want something that competes with new players running decks worse than pre-cons. But if you want Mr. House to fire at a 6-8 power level, you'll need to lean into treasures.
@@andrewpeli9019 If I have nothing better to do with my treasure than feeding it into House, I produced enough to win already.
@@JadeIsBunnyyou are consistently winning with just 4 treasure in a mr.house deck? Id love to see your list if thats true because mr.houses ability is a great payoff in this deck and the main engine it runs off of
@@kingofsaltt3836 Not what I said at all, lol. You have to think of it as opportunity costs. House's 2nd simply asks too much for too little in return. I need treasure to reach my critical turn faster and 2.5 robots more isn't going to be worth it. It just isn't.
4 mana 2.5 3/3s with potential for more upside with my playtesting ive only hit less then 2 off of it like once especially since the deck has a ton of ways to up your chances and other dice rolling cards are wayyy slower if you wanna roll dice hes the best payoff besides the 3 or 4 good d20 cards
3/8/2024 ruling Some cards from other releases may instruct you to roll dice other than six-sided dice. Results of 4
or higher on those dice cause Mr. House's first ability to trigger. Gather wizards website sadly.
Uh....yeah. Mr House still triggers on a D20. If you roll a 4 or higher on a D20, Mr House's first ability triggers.
Not sure why that's a 'sadly'?
No this is good. It is I who lacks reading comprehension. I read to fast for my own good. I thought it was saying it would only trigger the FIRST PART of his ability
Delina actually goes infinite with Wyll. (Not actually it's functionally like the inf you showed at the start.)
That’s why they had to errata her to have her last ability be a may so you can actually choose to end the triggers
i want to make an attraction deck for house having an attraction lets you roll a die every turn
Way ahead of you the only problem is figuring what cards to add I only did step right up and "lifetime" pass holder for now 😅
@@THEdeadlynightshade1646 complaints clerk make more clowns
@@aaron9797 hmm 🤔 I am hoping to not roll 1s with both berserk class and wyll but having a backup plan might be nice
Would it be possible to get a written deck list please?
Sure:
1 Mr. House, President and CEO
1 Agility Bobblehead
1 All That Glitters
1 Anguished Unmaking
1 Arcane Signet
1 Ash Barrens
1 Austere Command
1 Barbarian Class
1 Bastion of Remembrance
1 Big Score
1 Black Market Connections
1 Blasphemous Act
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Bottle-Cap Blast
1 Brotherhood Vertibird
1 Buried Ruin
1 Charisma Bobblehead
1 Clock of Omens
1 Command Tower
1 Component Pouch
1 Crush Contraband
1 Deadly Dispute
1 Desolate Mire
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Endurance Bobblehead
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Gamble
1 Goldspan Dragon
1 HELIOS One
1 Impassioned Orator
1 Intangible Virtue
1 Intelligence Bobblehead
1 Inventors' Fair
1 Jan Jansen, Chaos Crafter
1 Keeper of the Accord
1 Lotho, Corrupt Shirriff
1 Loyal Apprentice
1 Luck Bobblehead
1 Maddening Hex
1 Manifold Key
1 Martial Coup
1 Mondrak, Glory Dominus
1 Monumental Corruption
1 Moonsilver Key
4 Mountain
1 Myriad Landscape
1 Myrkul's Edict
1 Night Shift of the Living Dead
1 Nomad Outpost
1 Ojer Taq, Deepest Foundation // Temple of Civilization
1 Paladin Danse, Steel Maverick
1 Path of Ancestry
1 Path to Exile
1 Perception Bobblehead
1 Pirate's Pillage
1 Pitiless Plunderer
5 Plains
1 Roadside Reliquary
1 Roaming Throne
1 Ruinous Ultimatum
1 Rustvale Bridge
1 Scavenger Grounds
1 Securitron Squadron
1 Shadowblood Ridge
1 Skullclamp
1 Smothering Tithe
1 Sol Ring
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Spire of Industry
1 Steel Overseer
1 Strength Bobblehead
1 Sunscorched Divide
4 Swamp
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Temple of Malice
1 Temple of Silence
1 Temple of Triumph
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Treasure Vault
1 Unexpected Windfall
1 Unwinding Clock
1 Vault 21: House Gambit
1 Vexing Puzzlebox
1 Voltaic Key
1 Wake the Past
1 Wayfarer's Bauble
1 Wyll, Blade of Frontiers
1 Xorn
1 Yes Man, Personal Securitron
How on Earth is he Red? He legit wants perfection which is blue. He should have been Esper
Gambling aka chaos. Grixis has red in it too.
Oops my magic lore fail, I meant Esperr@@JadeIsBunny
I reckon if he had blue he'd be too powerful, just imagine all the artifact synergy you'd have access to.
Sadly, I think the real reason is that they wanted to put him in the Caesar deck, and that deck is based around Caesar's colours. I would have preferred to see him in the Dr Li deck instead so he's have blue, red and white.
@@squillamsquallace2468 Oh gotcha
@@durdleengine I honestly don't think jeskai fits him at all. Sure, he kept yapping about progress and civilization and technology, but the prime motivation has always been greed. He earned that black pip if you ask me.