Wing chun: attack the line directly Boxing:attack from outside the line Both have their merits in different circumstances. That's why its good to learn both.
A great video sifu, IMO it’s much better to share knowledge between styles than the same old ‘my style vs your style’ stuff we see online which is rarely helpful. We all know that certain styles are more efficient in a combat sport context, that’s what they’re designed for, but that doesn’t mean WC can’t learn and adapt. IMO it’s not what you train, but how you train that’s important, that’s why it’s great to see so many WC schools (including yours) adopting a more ‘alive’ approach to training, such as when you wanted your opponent to withdraw their punch like they would in an actual fight. It was great to see Harry’s reaction, clearly WC is unorthodox for a boxer, perhaps he took something away he might apply to his own training!
There are alot of similar concepts between boxing and wing Chun. When I was learning wing Chun, alot of the concepts did not feel unique to me because they already existed in boxing. Boxing and wrestling are the oldest martial art in the world. What wing Chun calls "attacking the blind side" boxers refer it as attacking in angles. Many boxers use the inverted punch. As well because it slices through between the gloves. The Pako Sao demonstrated in the video exists in boxing. In boxing there is a different between a block and a parry. A block is what the wing Chun man was doing in this video, but in boxing we just call it a block. However I'm boxing we use parrying and blocking interchangably but there is a difference. The bong Sao ,.. Boxing we call it the L guard. I'm starting to see a trend in wing Chun and where some schools are altering their guard and incorporating a more mobile footwork to be more realistic. I quit wing Chun because I didn't feel it was for me. I went back to kickboxing. But I would love to see where wing Chun ends up in ten years
When stripped down the raw components most arts are pretty much doing the same things. The differences are mainly found at the developmental stage where different training methods are used but as we all use the same vessel (human body) and use the same processor (the brain) it is not possible for functional approaches that work against a certain stimulus to vary very much.from a mechanical perspective. Thank you for your comment and for taking the time to watch the video. All best, Neil
Thank you sir! I was literally looking for these types of videos. I always knew practical wing chun concepts would help in boxing. And you sir have showed why! Cheers 🥂
At this point there are only 23 comments. Surprising. Personally, I like this WC coach's thinking. What is WC, after all? Chinese boxing. Working with western boxers makes a lot of sense. So does having an open mind. BTW, I'm on a borrowed laptop. I'm actually an old duffer who's been doing Wing Chun since '79.
This is a really good vid. One of the few people putting Wing Chun techniques to good use by thinking about its uses in boxing and good criticism, like when you mentioned people who punch and turn into a statue for demos or that wing chun punch that cant make the distance. As someone who wants to implement wing chun into my martial arts this is really helpful.
Hi Be-LEAVER, you're very kind. Thank you for your comment. As I said in the video, at a functional level the various styles have far more in common than that which separates them. Really glad to hear you liked the video and I appreciate your time. All best
Did 2 kinds of kung fu before boxing, and this was obvious in my first month of boxing. Inside fighting was easier for me to learn and felt natural based on years of kung fu. I think kickboxers could also benefit from the leg striking and control techniques from Kung Fu. I stopped calf kicks with the sole of my foot in real fights and I've never seen kickboxers or Muay Thai people do that. There's lots to borrow but traditional Kung Fu isn't as useful standalone. It's fantastic to see people like y'all who are pressure testing and updating these traditional styles.
It's always so inspiring to see the people who do the thing they love and love the thing they do. The best teachers are always like that. Great content! Would love to see more.
This is a great video.. I did wing Chun and now doing boxing now. I think overall close range principle as the guy preaches and showed are very similar… but I find that my reaction timing was very different doing both arts… if I use wing Chun to fight boxer, it’s the inward finger jab type of punch that they are not used to , you will have the take a step and pivot otherwise coach will call foul… if I fight wing Chun with boxing… I throw a lots of feints and hit their ribs for days… I think there are very similar principle.. in the deeper root of the Wing Chun it come from fighting much bigger opponent.. that’s why the biu chi and everything had that contract and expand upward motions… which is why the rib is more open….I would say if a shorter boxing spar a bigger boxer he would loved that he learnt a bit Wing Chun…
Really solid video, it’s always nice to see the difference between martial arts. But the only thing I’m kinda sceptical about is the 3:00 point. I just think in the heat of the moment to try and keep track of both of your opponents hands is too much. I think the principle works say in MMA when you’re both clinched and on the fence but in the open to try and occupy both hands while leaving your chin exposed is a bit of a recipe for disaster. That’s why boxing tends to teach one hand throws while the other hand stays on defence. The boxer only needs to get one hand free to land big or can just step back and then throw the longer shots. As I say solid vid genuinely, but the reason I love boxing as a form of self defence is that it doesn’t rely on anticipating your opponents moves precisely because in the heat of the moment you’re probably not going to be able to do that.
This is the truth. It’s the practitioner that counts. I sparred with a boxer before and i tell you, it wasn’t easy. But it took him a good minute to get through my guard after constant attacks. Keep in mind I was only defending, I had no intention on striking him as it was meant to be a demo of techniques. He took it literally and started to proper fight with me where this was never the intention. He couldn’t do shit against kicks and when I decided to deliver a punch, it landed with little resistance. I should also mention, I’m a wing chun practitioner
I'm late to watching this video but I just want to say that the techniques of the all time great 'Roberto Duran' is one of the best live examples of what Wing Chun looks like in a practical context, boxing at the highest level in which your opponent is truly resisting your offence and trying to hurt you back. Wing Chun practitioners should study him, let alone boxing enthusiasts/practitioners.
Is this for street application or for competition? Just concerned with boxing rules since they only allow hitting with what’s essentially the “fingers” of the boxing gloves
Hi Dee, I think they can compliment each other really well but you must find the right school for you and keep an open mind while experimenting to see what feels right and essentially what works. I hope you find the right balance and take time to enjoy the journey. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. All best
the straight is easy... you gotta worry about the hooks and overhands. Very good stuff though! Just watching this makes me want to find a partner and do some real sparring after a few chi sao :) Oh by the way George Foreman was known for trapping hands and controlling people's energy through boxing.
Hello Demetra, I'm afraid not. I'm not on board with the idea of learning a martial art completely via virtual classes although I can see a potential benefit in some cases. I hope you find something suitable for your needs. All best, Neil
@@CentralWingChun I respect that, although it's not really a class when I think about it, but a course. Nonetheless I'll be content with what you give us foreigners and I understand, was just asking because a closed mouth doesn't get fed 😉 definitely appreciate the response. Grace and peace
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A person with a sense of martial perception can recognize the connections. With a analytical mind we are all connected
I totally agree. Far too much division standing in the way of progression.
Wing chun: attack the line directly
Boxing:attack from outside the line
Both have their merits in different circumstances. That's why its good to learn both.
Amazing stuff as always Sifu. Nice to see collaborations between martial arts instead of the typical one-upmanship you often get in discussions.
This was a fun video. Lots of valuable lessons learned here.
A great video sifu, IMO it’s much better to share knowledge between styles than the same old ‘my style vs your style’ stuff we see online which is rarely helpful. We all know that certain styles are more efficient in a combat sport context, that’s what they’re designed for, but that doesn’t mean WC can’t learn and adapt. IMO it’s not what you train, but how you train that’s important, that’s why it’s great to see so many WC schools (including yours) adopting a more ‘alive’ approach to training, such as when you wanted your opponent to withdraw their punch like they would in an actual fight. It was great to see Harry’s reaction, clearly WC is unorthodox for a boxer, perhaps he took something away he might apply to his own training!
There are alot of similar concepts between boxing and wing Chun.
When I was learning wing Chun, alot of the concepts did not feel unique to me because they already existed in boxing. Boxing and wrestling are the oldest martial art in the world.
What wing Chun calls "attacking the blind side" boxers refer it as attacking in angles.
Many boxers use the inverted punch. As well because it slices through between the gloves.
The Pako Sao demonstrated in the video exists in boxing. In boxing there is a different between a block and a parry. A block is what the wing Chun man was doing in this video, but in boxing we just call it a block. However I'm boxing we use parrying and blocking interchangably but there is a difference.
The bong Sao ,.. Boxing we call it the L guard.
I'm starting to see a trend in wing Chun and where some schools are altering their guard and incorporating a more mobile footwork to be more realistic.
I quit wing Chun because I didn't feel it was for me. I went back to kickboxing. But I would love to see where wing Chun ends up in ten years
Despite the differences between Wing Chun and Boxing,
both of your defenses to the same attacks are conceptually the same!
When stripped down the raw components most arts are pretty much doing the same things. The differences are mainly found at the developmental stage where different training methods are used but as we all use the same vessel (human body) and use the same processor (the brain) it is not possible for functional approaches that work against a certain stimulus to vary very much.from a mechanical perspective.
Thank you for your comment and for taking the time to watch the video.
All best, Neil
Great share - thank you for sharing your experience
they all makin these type videos now bro good work
Thank you sir! I was literally looking for these types of videos. I always knew practical wing chun concepts would help in boxing. And you sir have showed why! Cheers 🥂
At this point there are only 23 comments. Surprising. Personally, I like this WC coach's thinking. What is WC, after all? Chinese boxing. Working with
western boxers makes a lot of sense. So does having an open mind. BTW, I'm on a borrowed laptop. I'm actually an old duffer who's been doing Wing Chun since '79.
The part that makes me the most frustrated is that this video has been out for 3 years and I’m just coming across it now. Awesome video
amazing stuff! im a wing chun and boxing cross practitioner and this stuff is inspiring
Much respect! Thanks for watching
That's outstanding information by Neil n Harry😎
Much appreciated Orange Park.
Very good video bro!! Really loved it! Thanks so much for sharing ❤️
Thank you very much Daniel. Glad you liked it
This is beautiful work gentlemen. Thank you for the arts and craft share.
This is a really good vid. One of the few people putting Wing Chun techniques to good use by thinking about its uses in boxing and good criticism, like when you mentioned people who punch and turn into a statue for demos or that wing chun punch that cant make the distance. As someone who wants to implement wing chun into my martial arts this is really helpful.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment Fredable. Respect!
Get together and discuss similarities, instead of differences. WELL done and said. Thanks
yo I love your mentality...it's nice to see how your style compliments the other. And the practical anlaysis is spot on...
well done!
Hi Be-LEAVER, you're very kind. Thank you for your comment. As I said in the video, at a functional level the various styles have far more in common than that which separates them. Really glad to hear you liked the video and I appreciate your time. All best
@@CentralWingChun absolutely. In the end of the day, we all have two hands two legs, we just have different ways of expression.
Did 2 kinds of kung fu before boxing, and this was obvious in my first month of boxing. Inside fighting was easier for me to learn and felt natural based on years of kung fu.
I think kickboxers could also benefit from the leg striking and control techniques from Kung Fu. I stopped calf kicks with the sole of my foot in real fights and I've never seen kickboxers or Muay Thai people do that.
There's lots to borrow but traditional Kung Fu isn't as useful standalone. It's fantastic to see people like y'all who are pressure testing and updating these traditional styles.
It's always so inspiring to see the people who do the thing they love and love the thing they do. The best teachers are always like that. Great content! Would love to see more.
Your comment is very much appreciated and warmly recieved. Thank you! I will have new content soon so stay tuned. All best
Please can you make a video of how can i use some wing chun techniques in boxing...my style is boxing but i would like to learn about wingchun
Very knowledgeable and no BS about it either. Nice vid guys.
Amazing Sifu, awesome
good stuff. The "DJ" reference
Nice display of how the 3rd form biu jee should be used (snake hands from the beginning of the form)
This is a great video.. I did wing Chun and now doing boxing now. I think overall close range principle as the guy preaches and showed are very similar… but I find that my reaction timing was very different doing both arts… if I use wing Chun to fight boxer, it’s the inward finger jab type of punch that they are not used to , you will have the take a step and pivot otherwise coach will call foul… if I fight wing Chun with boxing… I throw a lots of feints and hit their ribs for days… I think there are very similar principle.. in the deeper root of the Wing Chun it come from fighting much bigger opponent.. that’s why the biu chi and everything had that contract and expand upward motions… which is why the rib is more open….I would say if a shorter boxing spar a bigger boxer he would loved that he learnt a bit Wing Chun…
Really solid video, it’s always nice to see the difference between martial arts.
But the only thing I’m kinda sceptical about is the 3:00 point. I just think in the heat of the moment to try and keep track of both of your opponents hands is too much.
I think the principle works say in MMA when you’re both clinched and on the fence but in the open to try and occupy both hands while leaving your chin exposed is a bit of a recipe for disaster. That’s why boxing tends to teach one hand throws while the other hand stays on defence.
The boxer only needs to get one hand free to land big or can just step back and then throw the longer shots.
As I say solid vid genuinely, but the reason I love boxing as a form of self defence is that it doesn’t rely on anticipating your opponents moves precisely because in the heat of the moment you’re probably not going to be able to do that.
Can the same techniques in wing chun work with boxing gloves?
western style and eastern style of punching. One uses its angles and movement while the other uses trapping and accurate strikes to vital areas.
This is the truth. It’s the practitioner that counts. I sparred with a boxer before and i tell you, it wasn’t easy. But it took him a good minute to get through my guard after constant attacks. Keep in mind I was only defending, I had no intention on striking him as it was meant to be a demo of techniques. He took it literally and started to proper fight with me where this was never the intention. He couldn’t do shit against kicks and when I decided to deliver a punch, it landed with little resistance.
I should also mention, I’m a wing chun practitioner
I'm late to watching this video but I just want to say that the techniques of the all time great 'Roberto Duran' is one of the best live examples of what Wing Chun looks like in a practical context, boxing at the highest level in which your opponent is truly resisting your offence and trying to hurt you back. Wing Chun practitioners should study him, let alone boxing enthusiasts/practitioners.
Good concept.
Thank you
Is this for street application or for competition? Just concerned with boxing rules since they only allow hitting with what’s essentially the “fingers” of the boxing gloves
love it, dude
Amazing !
Sir am 35 done loads of boxing but stopped few months ago thinking of trying wing Chung this be a good combo?
Hi Dee, I think they can compliment each other really well but you must find the right school for you and keep an open mind while experimenting to see what feels right and essentially what works. I hope you find the right balance and take time to enjoy the journey. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. All best
I love martial arts
Great video.
Thank you Cornish chippy
Brilliant...very realistic
Great to see a real boxer instead of another wing chun practitioner.
one of less wing chun instructor sihing who understand that not to stand like a statue and move and adapt
Brilliant
Agree 100%. I do pekhok
I always love speaking to martial artists with open minds Charles. Thank you for watching and for your comment.
the straight is easy... you gotta worry about the hooks and overhands. Very good stuff though! Just watching this makes me want to find a partner and do some real sparring after a few chi sao :) Oh by the way George Foreman was known for trapping hands and controlling people's energy through boxing.
You'll notice a lot of the exact same motions and techniques within Muay Thai and even kali and kenjitsu. 😉
Just stubble on this guy and already loving his idea of wanting to collaborate and further develop his technique which is simple brilliant!😤🥳
Oh shit! It's Leroy Smith!
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Should do another video with vocer and elbows
Boxer block and strike
Do you have virtual classes?
Hello Demetra, I'm afraid not. I'm not on board with the idea of learning a martial art completely via virtual classes although I can see a potential benefit in some cases. I hope you find something suitable for your needs.
All best, Neil
@@CentralWingChun I respect that, although it's not really a class when I think about it, but a course. Nonetheless I'll be content with what you give us foreigners and I understand, was just asking because a closed mouth doesn't get fed 😉 definitely appreciate the response.
Grace and peace
Young Leroy Smith, are you?
The boxer doesn't understand wing chuns sticking energy. He won't be able to disengage once the bridge has been made
Yes realism in fighting not choreography set yo for the viewers.
So why not just actually spar?
Bullshido vs the real sport
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