I actually built one. I have an off grid high thermal mass greenhouse for starting seeds and I am building a much larger one now. I used solar for power, insulated concrete floors and 55 gallon drums of water for thermal mass. Have a small aquaponic bed for starting seed and soild beds. I have a fig tree in the center and use its leaves to keep the heat down in the summer. I have some videos of it on my channel for those needing ideas.
Biggest problem is not building it but defending it from being taken away from others in an age of massive robberies and violence due the lack of resources.
Best way to prepare for ANY of this is what I call the "convenience work-around". Now, while you have options, replace ANYTHING convenient (electricity, running water, powered-anything) with a manual "fix". Practice using less, wearing less, needing less, consuming less . . . you get the idea.
Radio active wood so ud have to have a closed system to heat the building so ur food didnt soke up from smoke or wind bluwing dust off of wood onto food
Faraday cage the METAL choice is primary Rocket Mass Water Heater with Check Valve Flow Control Consider a Mechanical Wind Pump for the Well rather then losses thru energy types
Hi, found your channel reading comments on one of Dr. Kratky's videos. Simple tech for greenhouses, I'm into that. Just entering the greenhouse world. My cheap plastic 10x7 greenhouse gets here in a few days. Watched your video on upgrades, excellent tips.
Good point on light. I started growing salad vegetables in London and even Mediterranean plants like basil burst out of their pots. Then I moved to central Scotland.... There is a risk of night frost for nearly half the year We get less than 7 hours of bad light in the winter, and the sun barely rises above the horizon In summer its stable and warm, but the light is not great, and the growing season is very short. Further north you are talking about directional light, light reflectors, growing lights, and frequently some form of heating. I have legit had entire batches fail to germinate, let alone grow well. Growing plants in the north is a different game, and frankly requires leaning heavily into crops that can put up with anything.
I’m pretty sure that fans which blow fireplace air around don’t work well at all on thermal mass fireplaces. They are only practical on regular steel. This is because TEGs are very low efficiency ( ~5%??) so you need a very hot surface.
I have a question on low tech low cost underground insulation. Is thee any insulative value in glass bottles? Most landfills cannot recycle them economically. Cheap or free resource. seal closed they are trapped air. How would you find out how much insulation they provide? Either under an inground thermal battery, or around the edges. Any way you could do a video on it or explain why it is not a good idea? i know many earth ships use them in walls but i do not know if it is insulation or light. i am thinking more underground. I am collecting material for green house looking at summer of 2024. i plan on incorporationg many of your ideas. I very much appreciate your channel.
Think that's a great idea the bottles would hold the heat from the sun and passively release the heat into the air thought the night while also keeping the floor warm. If you have a climate battery it would probably help that as well limiting how much fan power you use, if your going that way. Last thing you'd use less material for your floor. I'd do it!
StyroAircrete (EPSAircrete) is your best cheap soil contact insulation at about R3.3 per inch. Thermal conductivity is measure in W/(m k) or BTU/(ft h F)= Dry Dirt is 1.5, glass is 1.05, air is 0.0262. Polyethelene is about 0.4 (+- differnet types). Various forms of insulation hang around 0.03 +-. So you see glass is only a little better than dirt itself at insulating. It will conduct the temperature around the air inside and cause convective loops inside giving relatively low insulation value. A 2 liter plastic bottle, or milk jug on the other hand would do a far, far better job. Feathers are 0.034 if you can get waste from a poultry plant. Some fuels can double as fair insulators. If you fill a plastic jug with something of alternate use you may have insulation with dual purpose. Coal is only 0.2, Olive oil 0.17, Alcohol 0.17, gasoline 0.15, Soot(dry) 0.07. Anything fluidic (liquid, or air) involves currents and will not do as good of a job as a solid dry material like coal or soot.
Great review, well done! I’m going to check into 12vt options for my well as well as a cistern. I loved the dog in the water! For us in northern climates we may have a lot of snow load on some types of greenhouse roofs.
Excellent video, I don't care how you pronounce Apocalyptic, the sheer fact that every 4th word wasn't "Ummm" kept me glued to this. Usually after about the 3rd or 4th "Ummm" my brain shuts down and that ends up being the only thing I hear and I end up counting them, so I just shut the video off.
Great to see this. Thankyou. I shall remember all your words and put it into practise when I can but, well, the probability that I have survived.....it's going to be more than likely, "Heaven. I'm in Heaven. And my heart beats so that I can hardly speak."
@Simpletek I'm the business manager for an Indigenous year-round cold-climate farm in Northern Ontario that's just starting up. I just discovered your channel and I'm trying to get in contact with you. How can I do so?
My FANTASY greenhouse. I'd go with a farm scale greenhouse probably built like a passive certified home with a sprung membrane and framing, tin roof with rain water system with natural/bio filter/s. 6' sand climate battery 2 2' layers separated piping like explained in the UofM / SDU deep winter seminar just with 2' of sand under the first set of pipes. Down side to it small piping sections for better heating distribution means more fans but lots of air flow for plants. I'd use leaf composting bins vented in to capture decom heat as a secondary and rocket heater piped through the battery as a third heat source. Concrete for the floor painted white on the summer side (front) and black on the winter (back) the foundation will also be insulated like the UofM vid however it maybe overkill to have the 2' insulation at the bottom of the footing if you add a Swedish skirt with a French drain better safe than sorry. It would feed into a sump tank inside and be pumped out by airlift pump ran to rain water collection tanks on racks on the back wall, gravity feeding to fish tanks under them, filtering fish waste through iAVS sand beds located on the winter side as wet sand makes for a great heat mass. Clean water will go to overhead NFT systems, flow beds and tower carousels on the summer side using white form/ pvc to keep inside cooler. other media beds or techniques like areoponics, raised beds and what ever. All water would flow by airlift pumps, siphons and gravity feed no water pumps. All; air flow, venting, air powered exhaust and fans if needed I would try to capture in many ways to power air compressors like the Amish and maybe power if needed for fans, lights and any other systems i may need, however I may use Amish air powered fans as well. All depends on how much compressed air and electricity i can generate and store. Battery banks longevity and best type being in question. I would have backup air pumps, a windmills to compress air to tanks and water from well that will be able to be ran by windmill, air, electricity and other methods if needed., wind generators, solar power and using the aquaponics I could power many mini hydro generators. Just incase high humidity is an issue I'd incorporate fog nets to capture the moisture in the air and put it back to the fish tanks. I believe I got plenty of overkill in this plan and redundancies and have covered everything other than maybe thermal blanketing and a possible misting systems. I don't know anything about the blankets to say what I'd do but I'd probably have one just incase with extra lighting if needed. Misting I'd go with another sprung system where a misting line sprays between the cover membrane and a second membrane to create a fridge like effect going with the air flow it cools really well and with the fog net collecting any extra moisture maybe the humidity won't get out of control but I don't really know anything but what I've seen on TH-cam/ other medias and what I like it all maybe be wrong or it may work great I don't know. LETS TALK ABOUT IT!!
@@SimpleTek thank you I posted this on a Facebook page and all I got was too complicated, unnecessary and move south all in the same comment 😂 and while he's right I just see so much more potential than what we are using now. There's a Canadian TH-camr that does videos on his dwg and many of my plans like painting the floor 2 colors came from him but he also uses his spare heat for other buildings that are attached, his wood greenhouse stove will double as a sauna and maybe rain water for a hot tub. To me that's what the new Alchemist Institute was all about and that's the way I would love to go more natural
I just realized I didn't say anything about the passive certified home part so if I built it now I'd probably find a modular home builder that strives for passive compliance. Why? Waste, time, over all cost so many reasons to build that way if you can. I can't and that way this is a fantasy
I apologize I was thinking small and not big picture like I normally do. While this bring up a great question and hopefully makes people think about the end of the world scenario it's only a part of it. Looking at it from a new Alchemy institute stand point the greenhouse is only the center of something big much like earth ships and somewhat what @ARKOPIA is doing on his channel. The more I think about his sauna and hot tub idea the more I see the genius in it wood stoves take moisture out of the air and they would put it back in 🤯. If done right with your greenhouse could clean the air, add humidity, heat and cool and even power everything so greenhouse facing south, house on north wall, workshop on the east side and Barn on the west or Something like that. Which changes everything when you look at your greenhouse as more than agriculture and aquaculture, and see it as a energy source and battery as well. I guess in a ice age your not going to want to good out side much so I'd build a complex instead of individual building. So I take my plan add ever more like trompe's, sterling engine's, in-line hydro generators, wall mount 2 peace wind generators if they're any good anything and everything to capture any and all enrgey. I believe a greenhouse should not be looked at as a solidarity building but as the heart of a bigger enclosed self-sustaining ecosystem. And after all that's said now I want to go which biodome with Pauly Shore 🤣🤣🤣
far more likely that most of us will die from being overweight/lack of exercise than any large scale catastrophe. I love daydreaming of greenhouse and solar structures though.
Please, please, PLEASE tell us you haven't gone "full prepper' on us. As a Boy Scout, I'm all for preparedness, but some of those people have a poor understanding of risk management.
Before Russia invaded Ukraine I spoke to a Ukrainian. I said aren't you afraid Russia is going to invade (because I was afraid for them)? They were not. They were living in denial. Tell me please, oh master-of-risk-management, what should they have done? Then tell me, since China just demonstrated that it can float a balloon with a payload bigger than a nuclear bomb, with guidance and communications equipment over the US with impunity(or maybe ten at once), and they have already indicated they are at war with us in their official writings, while simultaneously we fighting against the Russia by proxy, and they are making nuclear threats, what is your recommended risk management?
I actually built one. I have an off grid high thermal mass greenhouse for starting seeds and I am building a much larger one now. I used solar for power, insulated concrete floors and 55 gallon drums of water for thermal mass. Have a small aquaponic bed for starting seed and soild beds. I have a fig tree in the center and use its leaves to keep the heat down in the summer. I have some videos of it on my channel for those needing ideas.
That’s awesome!!!!!
Biggest problem is not building it but defending it from being taken away from others in an age of massive robberies and violence due the lack of resources.
Best way to prepare for ANY of this is what I call the "convenience work-around".
Now, while you have options, replace ANYTHING convenient (electricity, running water, powered-anything) with a manual "fix". Practice using less, wearing less, needing less, consuming less . . . you get the idea.
Well said
I'm halfway between NORAD in Colorado springs and FE Warran Air Force Base Cheyenne, I've taken up yoga so I can kiss my butt goodbye
Lol bendy!
I think this about moving to New Mexico. I'm like I could but how long before they do another nuke test there? 🤣🤣
@@RedScareClair right Los Alamos is down there so it's high on the target list, plus Dolce
lol you sorta want to build it before.. with seeds and stuff stored..
It does help to do that lol
Radio active wood so ud have to have a closed system to heat the building so ur food didnt soke up from smoke or wind bluwing dust off of wood onto food
buuuhahahahahaha
Say Nukular one more time, I dare you!, I double dare you!
Awesome quote
It was definitely giving George Bush 🤣
Just priced 2 ply polycarb panels. God, I nearly had a heart attack !
Rates have gone crazy
Faraday cage the METAL choice is primary
Rocket Mass Water Heater with Check Valve Flow Control
Consider a Mechanical Wind Pump for the Well rather then losses thru energy types
Which metals then?
Hi, found your channel reading comments on one of Dr. Kratky's videos. Simple tech for greenhouses, I'm into that.
Just entering the greenhouse world. My cheap plastic 10x7 greenhouse gets here in a few days. Watched your video on upgrades, excellent tips.
Thank you! Enjoy!
Good point on light.
I started growing salad vegetables in London and even Mediterranean plants like basil burst out of their pots.
Then I moved to central Scotland....
There is a risk of night frost for nearly half the year
We get less than 7 hours of bad light in the winter, and the sun barely rises above the horizon
In summer its stable and warm, but the light is not great, and the growing season is very short.
Further north you are talking about directional light, light reflectors, growing lights, and frequently some form of heating.
I have legit had entire batches fail to germinate, let alone grow well.
Growing plants in the north is a different game, and frankly requires leaning heavily into crops that can put up with anything.
Well said
Solar flares are mostly only a risk to power grids. They can be protected by being shut down however a cold start of the power grid takes months.
Off grid is vulnerable
I’m pretty sure that fans which blow fireplace air around don’t work well at all on thermal mass fireplaces. They are only practical on regular steel. This is because TEGs are very low efficiency ( ~5%??) so you need a very hot surface.
On the thermal mass, you’re correct… but on the rocket heater part of a rocket mass heater the fans work great as that part gets very hot
I have a question on low tech low cost underground insulation. Is thee any insulative value in glass bottles? Most landfills cannot recycle them economically. Cheap or free resource. seal closed they are trapped air. How would you find out how much insulation they provide? Either under an inground thermal battery, or around the edges. Any way you could do a video on it or explain why it is not a good idea? i know many earth ships use them in walls but i do not know if it is insulation or light. i am thinking more underground. I am collecting material for green house looking at summer of 2024. i plan on incorporationg many of your ideas. I very much appreciate your channel.
Interesting idea, I need to look more into it
Think that's a great idea the bottles would hold the heat from the sun and passively release the heat into the air thought the night while also keeping the floor warm. If you have a climate battery it would probably help that as well limiting how much fan power you use, if your going that way. Last thing you'd use less material for your floor. I'd do it!
@@jesseehlers7598 well said
StyroAircrete (EPSAircrete) is your best cheap soil contact insulation at about R3.3 per inch.
Thermal conductivity is measure in W/(m k) or BTU/(ft h F)= Dry Dirt is 1.5, glass is 1.05, air is 0.0262. Polyethelene is about 0.4 (+- differnet types). Various forms of insulation hang around 0.03 +-. So you see glass is only a little better than dirt itself at insulating. It will conduct the temperature around the air inside and cause convective loops inside giving relatively low insulation value. A 2 liter plastic bottle, or milk jug on the other hand would do a far, far better job.
Feathers are 0.034 if you can get waste from a poultry plant. Some fuels can double as fair insulators. If you fill a plastic jug with something of alternate use you may have insulation with dual purpose. Coal is only 0.2, Olive oil 0.17, Alcohol 0.17, gasoline 0.15, Soot(dry) 0.07. Anything fluidic (liquid, or air) involves currents and will not do as good of a job as a solid dry material like coal or soot.
@@Resist.Tyranny great info
Great review, well done! I’m going to check into 12vt options for my well as well as a cistern. I loved the dog in the water! For us in northern climates we may have a lot of snow load on some types of greenhouse roofs.
Thank you for the kind words!
How would you make this a comfortable living space for the survivors, as well as a food growing space?
Earth ship type idea?
Walipini x earthship would keep you going.
@@Foxkitten86 possibly
What kind of filter system would I need for my rain water tank?
a good one
What about cooling the air in the extended extreme heat of the summer?
Good point
You're a real optimist!
:)
Excellent video, I don't care how you pronounce Apocalyptic, the sheer fact that every 4th word wasn't "Ummm" kept me glued to this. Usually after about the 3rd or 4th "Ummm" my brain shuts down and that ends up being the only thing I hear and I end up counting them, so I just shut the video off.
Ummmmm
Love this guy!!!
Thank you!
Great to see this. Thankyou. I shall remember all your words and put it into practise when I can but, well, the probability that I have survived.....it's going to be more than likely, "Heaven. I'm in Heaven. And my heart beats so that I can hardly speak."
Cheers
@Simpletek I'm the business manager for an Indigenous year-round cold-climate farm in Northern Ontario that's just starting up. I just discovered your channel and I'm trying to get in contact with you. How can I do so?
Call me 204 898 1841
Good video! Thanks.
Thank you for the kind words
The wood for the heater would be radiated too
@@michaelweening5171 you’re not eating the wood, so that’s ok
Thanks for sharing the knowledge
Hope it helps
Awesome fear mongering!!!
Thank you! I try…
My FANTASY greenhouse. I'd go with a farm scale greenhouse probably built like a passive certified home with a sprung membrane and framing, tin roof with rain water system with natural/bio filter/s. 6' sand climate battery 2 2' layers separated piping like explained in the UofM / SDU deep winter seminar just with 2' of sand under the first set of pipes. Down side to it small piping sections for better heating distribution means more fans but lots of air flow for plants. I'd use leaf composting bins vented in to capture decom heat as a secondary and rocket heater piped through the battery as a third heat source. Concrete for the floor painted white on the summer side (front) and black on the winter (back) the foundation will also be insulated like the UofM vid however it maybe overkill to have the 2' insulation at the bottom of the footing if you add a Swedish skirt with a French drain better safe than sorry. It would feed into a sump tank inside and be pumped out by airlift pump ran to rain water collection tanks on racks on the back wall, gravity feeding to fish tanks under them, filtering fish waste through iAVS sand beds located on the winter side as wet sand makes for a great heat mass. Clean water will go to overhead NFT systems, flow beds and tower carousels on the summer side using white form/ pvc to keep inside cooler. other media beds or techniques like areoponics, raised beds and what ever. All water would flow by airlift pumps, siphons and gravity feed no water pumps. All; air flow, venting, air powered exhaust and fans if needed I would try to capture in many ways to power air compressors like the Amish and maybe power if needed for fans, lights and any other systems i may need, however I may use Amish air powered fans as well. All depends on how much compressed air and electricity i can generate and store. Battery banks longevity and best type being in question. I would have backup air pumps, a windmills to compress air to tanks and water from well that will be able to be ran by windmill, air, electricity and other methods if needed., wind generators, solar power and using the aquaponics I could power many mini hydro generators. Just incase high humidity is an issue I'd incorporate fog nets to capture the moisture in the air and put it back to the fish tanks. I believe I got plenty of overkill in this plan and redundancies and have covered everything other than maybe thermal blanketing and a possible misting systems. I don't know anything about the blankets to say what I'd do but I'd probably have one just incase with extra lighting if needed. Misting I'd go with another sprung system where a misting line sprays between the cover membrane and a second membrane to create a fridge like effect going with the air flow it cools really well and with the fog net collecting any extra moisture maybe the humidity won't get out of control but I don't really know anything but what I've seen on TH-cam/ other medias and what I like it all maybe be wrong or it may work great I don't know.
LETS TALK ABOUT IT!!
Very cool
@@SimpleTek thank you I posted this on a Facebook page and all I got was too complicated, unnecessary and move south all in the same comment 😂 and while he's right I just see so much more potential than what we are using now. There's a Canadian TH-camr that does videos on his dwg and many of my plans like painting the floor 2 colors came from him but he also uses his spare heat for other buildings that are attached, his wood greenhouse stove will double as a sauna and maybe rain water for a hot tub. To me that's what the new Alchemist Institute was all about and that's the way I would love to go more natural
I just realized I didn't say anything about the passive certified home part so if I built it now I'd probably find a modular home builder that strives for passive compliance. Why? Waste, time, over all cost so many reasons to build that way if you can. I can't and that way this is a fantasy
I apologize I was thinking small and not big picture like I normally do. While this bring up a great question and hopefully makes people think about the end of the world scenario it's only a part of it. Looking at it from a new Alchemy institute stand point the greenhouse is only the center of something big much like earth ships and somewhat what @ARKOPIA is doing on his channel. The more I think about his sauna and hot tub idea the more I see the genius in it wood stoves take moisture out of the air and they would put it back in 🤯. If done right with your greenhouse could clean the air, add humidity, heat and cool and even power everything so greenhouse facing south, house on north wall, workshop on the east side and Barn on the west or Something like that. Which changes everything when you look at your greenhouse as more than agriculture and aquaculture, and see it as a energy source and battery as well. I guess in a ice age your not going to want to good out side much so I'd build a complex instead of individual building. So I take my plan add ever more like trompe's, sterling engine's, in-line hydro generators, wall mount 2 peace wind generators if they're any good anything and everything to capture any and all enrgey. I believe a greenhouse should not be looked at as a solidarity building but as the heart of a bigger enclosed self-sustaining ecosystem. And after all that's said now I want to go which biodome with Pauly Shore 🤣🤣🤣
So is there anyone that's doing anything like this?
Lovely.
Thanks a lot.
Thank you
I like your b roll at the end 😊
In an apocalyptic senariou, having a good sence of humor also important
Thank you
Bravo
Thank you
Your the best
Thank you
Lol I enjoyed this a lot.
I like survival scenarios and farming. Loved this video!
I almost always dream about these scenarios. :)
Thank you!
Have been thinking about this for a long time.
I have a hydro and solar farm ready for extra power.
Green house ready
That’s awesome
I hope it`s not too late for my wife and me... We are starting to get off grid permaculture this summer in southeast Canada ;)
@@gernotfrohlich6978 I would suggest you buy a seed vault kit and put it in a basement or somewhere cold
@@gernotfrohlich6978 never too late to start
@@JohnDoe-kf7md I've got some "ammo boxes" - hope they do the seed vault job deep under ground as well.
Good info
Thank you
Nuclear war is fun for the whole family! Forever!
Lol
But what about the zombies?
Mmmm brains!!!! Protein
far more likely that most of us will die from being overweight/lack of exercise than any large scale catastrophe. I love daydreaming of greenhouse and solar structures though.
I hope you’re right
Please, please, PLEASE tell us you haven't gone "full prepper' on us. As a Boy Scout, I'm all for preparedness, but some of those people have a poor understanding of risk management.
Lol, My idea of ‘prepper” is being able to survive a 2-3 day power outage which can happen where I live.
Before Russia invaded Ukraine I spoke to a Ukrainian. I said aren't you afraid Russia is going to invade (because I was afraid for them)? They were not. They were living in denial. Tell me please, oh master-of-risk-management, what should they have done? Then tell me, since China just demonstrated that it can float a balloon with a payload bigger than a nuclear bomb, with guidance and communications equipment over the US with impunity(or maybe ten at once), and they have already indicated they are at war with us in their official writings, while simultaneously we fighting against the Russia by proxy, and they are making nuclear threats, what is your recommended risk management?
@@Resist.Tyranny I’m not a politician, I suffer at their whim like you
Pit greenhouse I'm building .no glass it breaks in earthquake country poly carbonate insulates better too
SEEDS SEEDS SEEDS
Good point
I feel like you should practice the word "apocalyptic".
Lol
Yep!
Mmmm... When there is nuclear winter, dark cloudy days, water pollution etc; there may not be solar energy to support plant growth or heat...
Windmills can power LED, wind blows stronger on cloudy days!
Dude geothermal your not correct o know more
It’s “you’re” not “your”. Your credibility falls to that of a grade 5 student when you can’t spell properly.
[ˈno͞oklēər]
No idea what you said. Cheers from Canada
wrong information
idiot