I live in PC and the fact that Vail tried to trademark the name "Park City" so no one else could use it pissed off a lot of locals, that move still resonates in town.
Aside from the illegal radioactive waste dump uphill from it and the presence of Vail corporate HQ, I think Broomfield Colorado is a great place. -Someone from Colorado
Awesome video telling this story. Yes it has ruined the parks that used to be so awesome. Also they closed the bike park on canyons side. They are just focused on revenue not the actual heart of the sport. Park city has so much potential to become a whistler esk bike park and snowboard park. They could be putting in tons of mtn bike terrain and flow trails like deer valley and more snowboard ski parks on different runs. Hopefully we can use all this money to make it a great place to ride everyday not just make a quick buck. Also that’s me doing back 270 on the rail thanks for putting me in ha!
Oh, as a former VR employee, I can promise you, Vail’s legal team was waiting with claws extended for a Utah ski resort to make one mistake. And Park City fell asleep just long enough for Vail to pounce. Remember, this was in 2011, when Vail stock (MTN) was $14.00 a share, and they only owned about 20 resorts. They had piles of cash, excellent credit, and overhead (wages) were low. This was the opportunity they had been waiting for.
There was a suicide of a PCMR employee December 2014 in their administration building. No correlations were made and no mention of the position of the employee in the news, but it makes you wonder...sad in any case. Could've had been an accounts payable oversight.
Vail is a vampire that sucks the soul out of every mountain they buy, they just turn it into another clog in the machine. They bought out my home resort a few years ago and completely ruined it, got rid of 90% of the park, never has all the trails open, fired the best people and managed to change the entire culture it just feels like going to chain store now completely soulless. the epic pass is cool and all but it’s not worth losing the character and soul of the mountain.
@@kordel_alcorn_white this is why I tell people to buy the Ikon pass every chance I get. Independent mountains can hang onto their independence by joining the Ikon Pass as opposed to selling out to Vail (Epic Pass).
So I finally bought an Epic pass - in order to access PC an other resorts at 50% off. My frustration is how corporate this has all become. My pass was sent to a wrong address - and I had to talk with a CALL CENTER in India to resolve the issue. So disgusting. American capitalism and greed is so strong - Vail Corp will not even hire American employees to resolve customer service issues.
Same thing happened with traditional on-mountain employees. Instead of paying American workers a liveable wage, they ship in workers from peru, argentina, and chile to come work the mountains and live 5-6 deep in 2 bedroom apartments. Then they only stay 3 months, so you only get 3 months of help and then the rest of the season you're completely understaffed.
I think the pipe at 2002 games was considered a 'superpipe' at the time. 18' walls vs 22' but still bigger than a standard pipe. Laser guided and pure geometry. Thanks for mentioning Heiki's runs - I was there and it was an amazing moment in time. He should have medal'd.
Don’t feel bad for the owners of PC resort, they bought majority interest in snowbird. Since there acquisition they put a $33 million banquet facility and cafeteria on top of the summit of snowbird. The vail group actually tried to trade mark the name park city .!!! As a resident of Salt Lake I’m here to tell you, you better bring your skills if your sking or boarding the Bird , and Alta
I visited and skied Park city/ the canyons as well as deer Valley a few years ago and had a blast however, it was one of the worst snow years ever from what I was told. I found a few powder stashes in the trees which was amazing but in general, I wish I had hit it another year. Love the town though.
The problem with the town is that there are not enough restaurants for the huge number of visitors. Stayed there a few years ago and really struggled to find places that could give us a table. Having both areas together is too much; it's like having Alta and Snowbird together. You'll do one or the other in a day and be fine with that.
I grew up riding both the old “Canyons” resort and the old “Park City Mountain Resort.” Some of my favorite runs have to be the highest ones (blacks) at the top of PCMR, and I love cruising the super long wide open runs (blues) at the Canyon. Since it was all purchased & combined by Vail, the Epic pass has been cool (so I could ride in Colorado too) and I like the connection between the two resort areas as well, BUT Vail has killed the incredible park scene that PCMR once had. Sure there are still some park stuff at PCMR, but it is nothing as good as what it used ti be… and I heard that Vail no longer is going to be hosting half pipe contests at their resorts to watch. They are slowly killing the park scene over the years which is unfortunate.
It is unfortunate. Keystone had one of the best jump lines in the world for 20 years straight and last year they killed it for the first time. But yeah, gotta agree it is convenient being able to ride state to state on the same pass and take trips without worrying about lift ticket expenses
Hrrrm Vail just bought my Appalachian 7 Springs.......we have an amazing park community here and always build a super pipe nowadays. I hope they keep the Terrain Parks division running they are dedicated shredders that know how to keep it choice.
Vail also killed the parks at Kirkwood CA. They had a super park, a super pipe, a standard park and a kids park. Now they have a kids park only. Vail has increased the lift lines, and parking congestion, and pass prices!
@@hounddog3476 they will slowly eradicate it. Trust me. Theyre trying to get rid of the snowboard/ski "bums" and go for the more rich clientele who will pay $$$$ to stay at their resorts with fancy restaurants. Building parks brings in the wrong crowd. It sucks.
It's strange because I could say the same for the resorts in Tahoe that Vail operates. SPT started at Northstar and now Northstar really isn't what it used to be and Heavenly has no park at all. It's strange because Keystone and Breck are still known for their parks.
Informative video! Would've been cool if you elaborated more on Deer Valley and talked about the Ikon Pass too? Agree with you: Utah's snow is unmatched!
Maybe people don't know this, I misjudged it, but Deer Valley was not talked about because they do not allow snowboarders. You're right, I think all the other resorts aside from PC/Canyons (except Park City Woodward, which is it's own pass) are on the IKON pass. Snowbird, Brighton, Solitude
Correction! The term Champaign powdered was created by a rancher named Joe McElroy who opened Baker Mountain and then gave Jim Temple permission to use the term for marketing of Storm Mountain, which we now know as Steamboat!!
Pro Patrol 1981-1985 Saw the Silver King burn. No Deer Valley. No Stop sign. No stop light. Nik Badami was the owner. RIP Craig. Put in concerts at Park West with JC Mc Niel. I’m a retired Audio Engineer. You could walk up to the ticket booth at any time and see any movie from the summer actors student films from the resort Redford owned up at the old abandoned Egyptian. Stein was the Ambassador of Park City. RIP. He was a bad ass to ( the swivel). He was a gold metal winner. Mike glen and Marty owned both corner store and the Blow Hut. I was a burger Bro for a couple of years. The Club. Stemler. Racketeering. We would go up gobblers knob before sunrise and go shooting ( penalite) on the 4th after Put Put passed away. 481 clear from sunny Thailand 🇹🇭 .
Used to ski Park West back in the day and now the Canyons. Great runs and fresh lines if you time it right. Wolf Creek still had the most epic deep pow I've ever been on, but not as light as the champagne!
I worked at The Canyons(and before the Talisker rebrand of just "Canyons") before the merge and the Lady that "forgot" to renew the lease had to of been paid. It was one day late to be exact. Talisker originally sued them and dropped the lawsuit in the most petty way possible... Dropped the papers from a helicopter with some sand bags attached to it on Park City Resorts property. Vail took over the lawsuit after they bought out Talisker who has a bigger boss to answer to named Jack Bitzitzer(the guy is a billionaire out of Toronto that was blowing through money and charging it to the company card and had to make his money back on his investment, hence the 25 million a year) about a year or two later. Rob Katz was a wallstreet mogul before moving into the ski industry and knew how much park city would make him. There is no way it was an accident. You think they would screw up a deal that good on accident? Lets not forget Vail tried to patent the name Park City and the locals flipped out and dropped the application for now. Vail is the amazon of ski industry. That place still has a piece of my heart but it's a corporate style of different now. The whole state is moving towards the corporate style that is inevitable but Vail is the worst.
Vail is my home resort, but now I spend a week or two at Park City every year and dump a bunch of money in Utah. It's been good to me. Maybe a trip to CO would worth it for PC locals. BTW, champagne pow happens in both places.
@@joeyenniss9099 It's hard to argue with the steepness of the terrain at some Utah areas. Vail isn't known for that but it has It's hidden jems. Both states are catching pow by the foot right now and that's what I look for. Enjoy!
My father used to be the pilot of John Cumming's (Previous owner of the resort) private jet. His G4 was named Gina haha. He told me the whole story of PCMR and how one of his employees didn't renew the lease (John should have been on top of that). I just can't believe that John would leave the responsibility of keeping his resort in the hands of an employee. Pretty sad how such a legendary resort that I grew up riding was ruined by money hungry Vail.
Park City is also not paying their ski patrol adequate wages and will try to temporarily replace them with scabs and try to wait them out instead of paying their patrollers if they strike
PCMR got caught up in corporate downsizing. They laid off the person in charge of the lease. It was an effort to save $$. Its the biggest corporate screw up in the history of Utah.
I used to work for Beaver Creek as a product sales manager in 2019. Everyday was miserable as we were considerably understaffed, underpayed, and under appreciated, and we were supposedly one of the good resorts. Vail resorts has extremely high employee turnover, so we were always having to retrain new people, which was highly inefficient, and meant guests often had mistakes and lines would take a very long time. This meant guests were always in an absolute rage against us which made coming to work stressful. Management would always boast about how much $ they spent to open a new lift or start a new app, meanwhile we got basically minimum wage even as managers. That was BEFORE the pandemic. I can't even imagine how bad it must be now as an employee there. Thank god I left.
I would have liked to be able to work full time at a resort but it's just not worth it. There are probably only a dozen or so positions at a resort that make a respectable wage. People at corporates make plenty, but both are located in Colorado.
I did PCMR a lot from 2014-2020, but until they expand parking, I don't know if I will go again. It's just so hard to get into, and taking the detour through canyons lifts is such a massive pain...
I've snowboardered from canyons to Jupiter peak and back in one day. Got some awesome runs off pioneer ridge too. I want to try going from jupiter to brighton
Corporations squeezing through life out of mountain towns and skiing. I went snowmobiles now and avoid them. No lines fresh runs and you get to the top so fast you need to rest up more. Three times as many runs for half the price. It’s win win win for me.
15k? I have a saying only fools or the rich fools buy new. You can rent one for 100-200 bucks and still get 10x the runs in one day. And that’s with a group Of people. Ride three up to Board/ski down and rotate. It’s actually fun to go up the mountain too.
Have a two rope and you can Baird up to but that’s to much for me I gotta rest a little. If you haven’t tried it youre missing out especially when fly past the snow cat packed with people going five miles an hour and it’s almost half the price of that too. Be smart get a beacon.
@@quantumtechcrypto7080 make sure you push people to get the Avy Certs and Awareness. Accessing the backcountry respectively and safely requires a lot of experience or you’re a bigger problem than a 30 minute lift line at Crescent on a Saturday morning.
Going to park city to ride for the first time this year. Nervous but stoked. Been in summer and it’s a pretty town with good food and best skatepark ever
Park city used to have night skiing before Vail took over and the parks got more attention. Having had passes both before and after I can tell you the capital improvements that vail made are real improvements. It’s ran much better but sadly we lost the night skiing. The park scene used to be as much at park city as at Brighton. Woodward has most of it now because it’s their main focus. End of the day it’s all gravy of you like to ride though. Lots of options and plenty to go around. Hopefully resorts can expand and grow a little to keep up with Utah’s population increase that will likely never stop.
Shame I didn't know they stopped night ski. It's a money drain so I get it but I always like it when I stay at a resort that has it. Fun to go out for an hour or so at night just to do it.
6:30 I have been digging into park city’s past and I now remember that there used to be a park called “Kings crown” and the little kings, pic axe, and pick and shovel/3 kings parks were themed way better with more snow and box/rail features but now it’s seems bland and boring. It is a shame to se the effort all around the resort go down after vail owning it. I’ve tried to make a video about it but I have never gotten the time
The problem with PC is that it is way crowded. They are so oversold, it can take an hour+ for gondola ride up the mountain in the morning. Alta is my favorite. You can't beat their snow. And say what you want about Deer Valley, but I never have to wait in line at Deer Valley, and they take great care of their runs. Snowbird has great advanced options, but it's a bit too steep for me. I do have plans to go to PC a couple of times this year but only because I will be staying in the Canyons right next to the lift and it will be a family thing.
I went to Canyons the first year Vail bought that. It was a decent resort and my first time snowboarding in Utah. I have gone back after Vail took over Park City and stayed on that side, but then didn't really ever go to the Canyons side. The addition of the gondola is nice but It's still just really not that convenient to make your way over there.
Loved Park City. Stayed at The Canyons. Made it all the way across both mountains for lunch in town then all the way back just as lifts were closing. It was a close one but totally worth it! Definitely going back!
When I lived in Utah, I'd ski Park city alot. Loved it there. This was back in the 80's and 90's. I remember the first time I skied Jupiter Bowl. From the top, I knew I was gonna die. But I made it down eventually in one piece. LOL But where I skied the most, was Brighton. I'd park my car at the bottom of the canyon, ans take the bus up to Brighton. It was a mostly local place to ski, and locals had cheaper ski passes. It was sort of a secret about the great prices. Alta was another local secret as well. Heck, I can remember when a Park City day pass cost only $20!
I moved to Park City to be a ski bum in 1983. My first season pass cost $249. Another $50 got me a locker in a nice locker room and a reserved underground parking spot. These days lunch for two will set you back more than that. My first season I paid $70 a month to rent a place just a short walk down Dog Shit Trail to Main Street. Brown bagging was legal, so drinking was cheap. On Tuesdays Solitude would have $5 tickets. Three or four of us would ski to Brighton from the backside of Park City. One guy would drive to Solitude so we'd have a ride home. Obviously, we took turns driving. It was a hoot. In the 80s I'm pretty sure Park City was the best ski bum town in the galaxy. Dirt cheap, no one around, and epic powder days. I was lucky to be there.
Would anyone share where is the cheapest ski place (5 day pass + accomodation) in the world? I live in a hot country with no snow and want to travel every year to ski. So far Ive been to Chamonix, Korea and Japan. They were all very expensive. Im getting broke but I still wanna ski. Help?
Vail does what it does....turned it into beginners heaven. Putting up so much inbound rope line it’s ridiculous!, so much terrain is closed. And going into these fun safe areas will result in pass pulled. And boy do they love to do that. I hate them
I was at Park City this Monday. Only two runs open due to the late season start, but Vail has great people working there for an all around good experience (even with the very low amount of runs open)
That's why powder pwdr resorts lost their option on Park City and then ended up using the money got by them by Vail to purchase upkillington resort and Vermont and do major improvements there meanwhile the leadership at Killington was one of the top guys from Park City with this mistake oops
Park City/Canyons only had 1 full lift and 1 (sorta) full run, each, for the first 2 weeks of the 2021 season... And that's with opening late. Today we're getting wet snow so we'll see...
Just moved out to park city, only a few runs open and not a whole lot of snow yet but I'm hyped to see if it's as good as I hear! I'm not sure how I feel about Vail because I do not have anything to compare it to, everything that I ride is Vail
This resort review is mega.. i’d love to see more as an east coast canadian that has to do research and make a whole trip out of deciding which notorious resorts to visit in the states
Vail/Breck would top my list for a skiing vacation. If it is only terrain that matters then Jackson Hole. An alternative would be the Cottonwood Canyon resorts 15 minutes from Salt Lake City airport. Park City is a long drive from SLC.
If you're a skier, Alta is a must-visit, with the qualification is that much of their best expert terrain involves significant traverses to get to it. Also, if your are a boarder, Alta does not and never will allow boarders on their lifts (they technically cannot prevent you from riding there, but without lifts it's forbiddingly infeasible and so vanishingly few try). However, with Snowbird next door offering an astounding amount of rad terrain, including two enormous bowls (actually a third if you count the cirque as a bowl) right off the top of the tram - no need to get upset that you can't experience Alta.
@@TheNcmore Yes. I remember the endless and discomfiting traverses at Alta. First time there, first day that season, first run of the year, a friend took me on Alf's. Wanted to kill him. Not a big fan of those traverses getting there and not happy to do it right out of the gate. With all the traversing I can't see why boarders would even want to go there; would be miserable for them.
Vail Corp in general is ruining winter sports. Just ask epic pass holders. They found out investors have to be paid first before ski and ride areas are opened......
Interesting because Park city is listed as the number one ski resort town in the country. And they’re in the top five in the world. Not to mention our ski in ski out hotels.
Skied the area, love Park City (McConkey's), made a small attempt to ski The Canyon's area, the trip was going to take too long, prefer Deer Valley over all of them, not a fan of snowboarders, I got slammed by one at JH, never stopped, messed up my five day ski vacations. Most boarders look like they are out of control and in general have not been educated on basic rules.
Was it them that ran into you or you turning into them? Unless someone is a beginner and just learning how to ski or snowboard (which in my opinion is completely excusable, no one is born an expert), most are in complete control (snowboarders just happen to be younger and a little more ballsy than most skiers). One person running into you doesn't make them all bad. As a snowboarder, I have to be more cautious of skiers because they don't have the ability to look around them since they're fixed facing forward and even if there is a bump in caused by them, I still get blamed, called names and patronized for existing in the same space. I see snowboarders being a lot more careful around other people for that reason, we're always looking around and looking for the safest path while trying to maintain our speed. If we're coming up on a flat area, we have to go faster to make it through without stopping or catching an edge. The biggest problem I see is when a snowboarder tries to pass a skier to maintain that speed and the skier blindly turns right in front of them or flat out stops in the middle of the run to converse with their group. Or even at the base when everyone is stopping to get on the lift and skiers just stop wherever they're at in the middle of the run, instead of getting off to the side, right in front of someone else and turn around and blame the boarder for running over their skis. Like I'm sorry I have to take up twice as much space to panic stop to avoid hitting you 🤷♀️ Almost all of the skier- snowboarder instances I've seen have been a direct cause of the skier either not paying attention to the people around them or having no knowledge of the basic mechanics of snowboarding. I think everyone on the mountain could do a lot of good by learning both in order to come to a full understanding.
I worked at PC the year before vail took over and the first year with vail and I can say Vail doesn’t care about their employees like park city did. The Perks were way better through Park city then Vail. PC gave Employees free day tickets to friends and family 8 if I’m not mistaking, and vail based it off how many hours you worked, bull shit! Overall PC did way better then Vail by a long shot.
I am a Colorado native, but lived in SLC for 5 seasons in the 90's. While Utah gets more snow. It is generally warmer there and the snow gets funky. Colorado gets less snow, but the snow we get is better and it generally is in better condition because of our higher altitudes and colder weather.
Great insight, cool to hear that you've lived both places. I've found that it's warmer in UT when I'm there, but not so warm that it's heavy like Whistler or PacNW, so at least the very few times i've been there it's been more snow, not as cold, still fluffy, perfection I was getting brain freeze riding in Colorado today with a helmet and helmet hood on because it's so cold 🥶
PC is my home mountain and I have been riding there since I was a kid. Love the mountain. But it does have its draw backs just like any place for sure.
As far as I know me and a friend are the only people to hit every lift on the combined mountain including the magic carpets and kiddy lifts. We started in the canyons worked our way across and back. We only pulled it off because we worked for the resort and used the ski school lines or cut around the line by bribing liftes. If you don’t do those two things it’s impossible we literally were first and last chair of the day and bombed it every run with no breaks.
The boarding pass thing is BS. They haven't done that in over 15 years. And your data is way off. Powder Mountain has over 10k acres, so your claim of them being the largest 🤔
Yeah it's pretty out of reach for most people if you don't have a season pass. If you buy a season pass ahead of time and go a decent amount it averages out to much cheaper You could try Woodward Park City which is much cheaper
Day and multi-day passes have become so ridiculous that I buy an Epic local pass for the two weeks I spend at Vail and Breck each year. Saves me a lot.
That's total bullshit. Alta continues to win every baseless suit snowboarders bring. Alta rules! The really funny/sad truth is that Alta's terrain is not suited to boarders anyway. Borders keep fighting for what? ...too try to push yourself along the high traverse which accesses most of the epic shots at Alta? Take your boards to Brighton. It's not discrimination its really just common sense.
@@samdugdale5041 before you spew more baseless claims, prove it. What case did Alta lose? For your own sake, stop being such a victim looking for a target. Who am I? Just someone with a dash of common sense. Enjoy today!
I moved here from Texas. There are literally no differences, law wise, that I've noticed and I'm sick of hearing out of staters saying this because it's a rumor. The thing that is different, which kind of sucks but I respect it, there are quite a bit of restaurants that don't serve alcohol
@@Adrenaline89Junky Good to know. Did they used to be different, is that why everyone thinks that? I remember 15 or so years ago you couldn't order alcohol without also ordering food and I think you had to be in some sort of club to order liquor at bars. But that was a long time ago
@@Adrenaline89Junky years ago I heard you couldn't buy beer above like 4% or something. I just looked it up and it appears the only difference now is you can't buy wine or spirits in a grocery store. I'm Canadian so that's normal for me. If I lived in Utah i would actively spread rumors about how bad the liquor laws were. I would tell everyone it was a dry State so Californians keep moving to Colorado instead.
I live in PC and the fact that Vail tried to trademark the name "Park City" so no one else could use it pissed off a lot of locals, that move still resonates in town.
They are trying to do that with Hunter mountain right now...... Fuck Vail
Aside from the illegal radioactive waste dump uphill from it and the presence of Vail corporate HQ, I think Broomfield Colorado is a great place.
-Someone from Colorado
Awesome video telling this story. Yes it has ruined the parks that used to be so awesome. Also they closed the bike park on canyons side. They are just focused on revenue not the actual heart of the sport. Park city has so much potential to become a whistler esk bike park and snowboard park. They could be putting in tons of mtn bike terrain and flow trails like deer valley and more snowboard ski parks on different runs. Hopefully we can use all this money to make it a great place to ride everyday not just make a quick buck. Also that’s me doing back 270 on the rail thanks for putting me in ha!
Absolutely no way that was a mistake. Someone had to have sold out to vail.
I wonder how much they got paid
I definitely think you’re right
@@ShredSchool1 If you knew that then you would know it wasn't a mistake, and it wasn't.
Oh, as a former VR employee, I can promise you, Vail’s legal team was waiting with claws extended for a Utah ski resort to make one mistake. And Park City fell asleep just long enough for Vail to pounce.
Remember, this was in 2011, when Vail stock (MTN) was $14.00 a share, and they only owned about 20 resorts. They had piles of cash, excellent credit, and overhead (wages) were low.
This was the opportunity they had been waiting for.
There was a suicide of a PCMR employee December 2014 in their administration building. No correlations were made and no mention of the position of the employee in the news, but it makes you wonder...sad in any case. Could've had been an accounts payable oversight.
Vail is a vampire that sucks the soul out of every mountain they buy, they just turn it into another clog in the machine. They bought out my home resort a few years ago and completely ruined it, got rid of 90% of the park, never has all the trails open, fired the best people and managed to change the entire culture it just feels like going to chain store now completely soulless. the epic pass is cool and all but it’s not worth losing the character and soul of the mountain.
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I agree completely vail has literally monopolized and wrecked the industry
💯💯💯 R.I.P. Stevens Pass in WA - same story
@@affitness1 sorry fir your loss :/
@@kordel_alcorn_white this is why I tell people to buy the Ikon pass every chance I get. Independent mountains can hang onto their independence by joining the Ikon Pass as opposed to selling out to Vail (Epic Pass).
So I finally bought an Epic pass - in order to access PC an other resorts at 50% off. My frustration is how corporate this has all become. My pass was sent to a wrong address - and I had to talk with a CALL CENTER in India to resolve the issue. So disgusting. American capitalism and greed is so strong - Vail Corp will not even hire American employees to resolve customer service issues.
He is telling you the truth you can’t even understand them. Vail sucks
I lived and worked in Vail for 21 years left in 2003 when they did away with many activities and programs for the locals!
Same thing happened with traditional on-mountain employees. Instead of paying American workers a liveable wage, they ship in workers from peru, argentina, and chile to come work the mountains and live 5-6 deep in 2 bedroom apartments. Then they only stay 3 months, so you only get 3 months of help and then the rest of the season you're completely understaffed.
@@aztronomy7457 and they don't understand customer service or don't care.
I think the pipe at 2002 games was considered a 'superpipe' at the time. 18' walls vs 22' but still bigger than a standard pipe. Laser guided and pure geometry. Thanks for mentioning Heiki's runs - I was there and it was an amazing moment in time. He should have medal'd.
Don’t feel bad for the owners of PC resort, they bought majority interest in snowbird. Since there acquisition they put a $33 million banquet facility and cafeteria on top of the summit of snowbird.
The vail group actually tried to trade mark the name park city .!!!
As a resident of Salt Lake I’m here to tell you, you better bring your skills if your sking or boarding the Bird , and Alta
They also own copper mountain, all Woodwards, and mt bachelor
I visited and skied Park city/ the canyons as well as deer Valley a few years ago and had a blast however, it was one of the worst snow years ever from what I was told. I found a few powder stashes in the trees which was amazing but in general, I wish I had hit it another year. Love the town though.
What year?
Late January 2018
The problem with the town is that there are not enough restaurants for the huge number of visitors. Stayed there a few years ago and really struggled to find places that could give us a table. Having both areas together is too much; it's like having Alta and Snowbird together. You'll do one or the other in a day and be fine with that.
@@area52sound yeah the 2017/2018 season in beaver creek was awful. We had full grass, rocks, and dirt until late January. Awful season.
I grew up riding both the old “Canyons” resort and the old “Park City Mountain Resort.” Some of my favorite runs have to be the highest ones (blacks) at the top of PCMR, and I love cruising the super long wide open runs (blues) at the Canyon. Since it was all purchased & combined by Vail, the Epic pass has been cool (so I could ride in Colorado too) and I like the connection between the two resort areas as well, BUT Vail has killed the incredible park scene that PCMR once had. Sure there are still some park stuff at PCMR, but it is nothing as good as what it used ti be… and I heard that Vail no longer is going to be hosting half pipe contests at their resorts to watch. They are slowly killing the park scene over the years which is unfortunate.
It is unfortunate. Keystone had one of the best jump lines in the world for 20 years straight and last year they killed it for the first time. But yeah, gotta agree it is convenient being able to ride state to state on the same pass and take trips without worrying about lift ticket expenses
Hrrrm Vail just bought my Appalachian 7 Springs.......we have an amazing park community here and always build a super pipe nowadays. I hope they keep the Terrain Parks division running they are dedicated shredders that know how to keep it choice.
Vail also killed the parks at Kirkwood CA. They had a super park, a super pipe, a standard park and a kids park. Now they have a kids park only. Vail has increased the lift lines, and parking congestion,
and pass prices!
@@hounddog3476 they will slowly eradicate it. Trust me. Theyre trying to get rid of the snowboard/ski "bums" and go for the more rich clientele who will pay $$$$ to stay at their resorts with fancy restaurants. Building parks brings in the wrong crowd. It sucks.
It's strange because I could say the same for the resorts in Tahoe that Vail operates. SPT started at Northstar and now Northstar really isn't what it used to be and Heavenly has no park at all. It's strange because Keystone and Breck are still known for their parks.
Informative video! Would've been cool if you elaborated more on Deer Valley and talked about the Ikon Pass too?
Agree with you: Utah's snow is unmatched!
Maybe people don't know this, I misjudged it, but Deer Valley was not talked about because they do not allow snowboarders.
You're right, I think all the other resorts aside from PC/Canyons (except Park City Woodward, which is it's own pass) are on the IKON pass. Snowbird, Brighton, Solitude
Only places I’ve been to with better snow than Utah is grand targhee
@@PhaseSkater shhhhh don’t tell anyone
Correction! The term Champaign powdered was created by a rancher named Joe McElroy who opened Baker Mountain and then gave Jim Temple permission to use the term for marketing of Storm Mountain, which we now know as Steamboat!!
"Shamonnix" Always wanted to go there and val dizzer. JFC.
Pro Patrol 1981-1985
Saw the Silver King burn.
No Deer Valley. No Stop sign. No stop light. Nik Badami was the owner.
RIP Craig.
Put in concerts at Park West with JC Mc Niel. I’m a retired Audio Engineer.
You could walk up to the ticket booth at any time and see any movie from the summer actors student films from the resort Redford owned up at the old abandoned Egyptian.
Stein was the Ambassador of Park City. RIP. He was a bad ass to ( the swivel).
He was a gold metal winner.
Mike glen and Marty owned both corner store and the Blow Hut. I was a burger Bro for a couple of years.
The Club. Stemler. Racketeering.
We would go up gobblers knob before sunrise and go shooting ( penalite) on the 4th after Put Put passed away.
481 clear from sunny Thailand 🇹🇭 .
Used to ski Park West back in the day and now the Canyons. Great runs and fresh lines if you time it right. Wolf Creek still had the most epic deep pow I've ever been on, but not as light as the champagne!
I worked at The Canyons(and before the Talisker rebrand of just "Canyons") before the merge and the Lady that "forgot" to renew the lease had to of been paid. It was one day late to be exact. Talisker originally sued them and dropped the lawsuit in the most petty way possible... Dropped the papers from a helicopter with some sand bags attached to it on Park City Resorts property. Vail took over the lawsuit after they bought out Talisker who has a bigger boss to answer to named Jack Bitzitzer(the guy is a billionaire out of Toronto that was blowing through money and charging it to the company card and had to make his money back on his investment, hence the 25 million a year) about a year or two later. Rob Katz was a wallstreet mogul before moving into the ski industry and knew how much park city would make him. There is no way it was an accident. You think they would screw up a deal that good on accident? Lets not forget Vail tried to patent the name Park City and the locals flipped out and dropped the application for now. Vail is the amazon of ski industry. That place still has a piece of my heart but it's a corporate style of different now. The whole state is moving towards the corporate style that is inevitable but Vail is the worst.
Vail is my home resort, but now I spend a week or two at Park City every year and dump a bunch of money in Utah. It's been good to me. Maybe a trip to CO would worth it for PC locals. BTW, champagne pow happens in both places.
I like Colorado but its not as steep and less snow than other resorts in utah.
@@joeyenniss9099 It's hard to argue with the steepness of the terrain at some Utah areas. Vail isn't known for that but it has It's hidden jems. Both states are catching pow by the foot right now and that's what I look for. Enjoy!
@@joeyenniss9099 no weed stores tho
My father used to be the pilot of John Cumming's (Previous owner of the resort) private jet. His G4 was named Gina haha. He told me the whole story of PCMR and how one of his employees didn't renew the lease (John should have been on top of that). I just can't believe that John would leave the responsibility of keeping his resort in the hands of an employee. Pretty sad how such a legendary resort that I grew up riding was ruined by money hungry Vail.
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Park City is also not paying their ski patrol adequate wages and will try to temporarily replace them with scabs and try to wait them out instead of paying their patrollers if they strike
PCMR got caught up in corporate downsizing.
They laid off the person in charge of the lease.
It was an effort to save $$.
Its the biggest corporate screw up in the history of Utah.
I used to work for Beaver Creek as a product sales manager in 2019. Everyday was miserable as we were considerably understaffed, underpayed, and under appreciated, and we were supposedly one of the good resorts. Vail resorts has extremely high employee turnover, so we were always having to retrain new people, which was highly inefficient, and meant guests often had mistakes and lines would take a very long time. This meant guests were always in an absolute rage against us which made coming to work stressful. Management would always boast about how much $ they spent to open a new lift or start a new app, meanwhile we got basically minimum wage even as managers. That was BEFORE the pandemic. I can't even imagine how bad it must be now as an employee there. Thank god I left.
I would have liked to be able to work full time at a resort but it's just not worth it. There are probably only a dozen or so positions at a resort that make a respectable wage. People at corporates make plenty, but both are located in Colorado.
Powder Mountain is bigger acreage wise. Just not all lift accessible.
I did PCMR a lot from 2014-2020, but until they expand parking, I don't know if I will go again. It's just so hard to get into, and taking the detour through canyons lifts is such a massive pain...
I always park at the high school and take the bus over. There are always plenty of spots there (on the weekend anyway).
I've snowboardered from canyons to Jupiter peak and back in one day. Got some awesome runs off pioneer ridge too. I want to try going from jupiter to brighton
I ride PC and absolutely love it, but vail has definitely killed a lot there, hopefully they put a park back on canyons side this year.
Corporations squeezing through life out of mountain towns and skiing. I went snowmobiles now and avoid them. No lines fresh runs and you get to the top so fast you need to rest up more. Three times as many runs for half the price. It’s win win win for me.
@@quantumtechcrypto7080 I need 15k for a snowmobile and I’m down🤣
15k? I have a saying only fools or the rich fools buy new. You can rent one for 100-200 bucks and still get 10x the runs in one day. And that’s with a group
Of people. Ride three up to Board/ski down and rotate. It’s actually fun to go up the mountain too.
Have a two rope and you can Baird up to but that’s to much for me I gotta rest a little. If you haven’t tried it youre missing out especially when fly past the snow cat packed with people going five miles an hour and it’s almost half the price of that too. Be smart get a beacon.
@@quantumtechcrypto7080 make sure you push people to get the Avy Certs and Awareness. Accessing the backcountry respectively and safely requires a lot of experience or you’re a bigger problem than a 30 minute lift line at Crescent on a Saturday morning.
Going to park city to ride for the first time this year. Nervous but stoked. Been in summer and it’s a pretty town with good food and best skatepark ever
Park city used to have night skiing before Vail took over and the parks got more attention. Having had passes both before and after I can tell you the capital improvements that vail made are real improvements. It’s ran much better but sadly we lost the night skiing. The park scene used to be as much at park city as at Brighton. Woodward has most of it now because it’s their main focus. End of the day it’s all gravy of you like to ride though. Lots of options and plenty to go around. Hopefully resorts can expand and grow a little to keep up with Utah’s population increase that will likely never stop.
awesome to hear your experience of both before and after 🙌
Shame I didn't know they stopped night ski. It's a money drain so I get it but I always like it when I stay at a resort that has it. Fun to go out for an hour or so at night just to do it.
6:30 I have been digging into park city’s past and I now remember that there used to be a park called “Kings crown” and the little kings, pic axe, and pick and shovel/3 kings parks were themed way better with more snow and box/rail features but now it’s seems bland and boring. It is a shame to se the effort all around the resort go down after vail owning it. I’ve tried to make a video about it but I have never gotten the time
The park is still pretty great
The problem with PC is that it is way crowded. They are so oversold, it can take an hour+ for gondola ride up the mountain in the morning. Alta is my favorite. You can't beat their snow. And say what you want about Deer Valley, but I never have to wait in line at Deer Valley, and they take great care of their runs. Snowbird has great advanced options, but it's a bit too steep for me.
I do have plans to go to PC a couple of times this year but only because I will be staying in the Canyons right next to the lift and it will be a family thing.
Deer Valley and Powder Mountain limit the number of riders each day. I like that it keeps the snow in good condition and lines fast
Great video. Really interesting and different than your other content. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! What do you think, stick to trick tips or mix in more of this stuff?
I went to Canyons the first year Vail bought that. It was a decent resort and my first time snowboarding in Utah. I have gone back after Vail took over Park City and stayed on that side, but then didn't really ever go to the Canyons side. The addition of the gondola is nice but It's still just really not that convenient to make your way over there.
Loved Park City. Stayed at The Canyons. Made it all the way across both mountains for lunch in town then all the way back just as lifts were closing. It was a close one but totally worth it! Definitely going back!
When I lived in Utah, I'd ski Park city alot. Loved it there. This was back in the 80's and 90's. I remember the first time I skied Jupiter Bowl. From the top, I knew I was gonna die. But I made it down eventually in one piece. LOL
But where I skied the most, was Brighton. I'd park my car at the bottom of the canyon, ans take the bus up to Brighton. It was a mostly local place to ski, and locals had cheaper ski passes. It was sort of a secret about the great prices. Alta was another local secret as well. Heck, I can remember when a Park City day pass cost only $20!
So cool to hear
I believe that Brighton is still a big place for locals. Like A- Basin in Colorado.
I moved to Park City to be a ski bum in 1983. My first season pass cost $249. Another $50 got me a locker in a nice locker room and a reserved underground parking spot. These days lunch for two will set you back more than that.
My first season I paid $70 a month to rent a place just a short walk down Dog Shit Trail to Main Street. Brown bagging was legal, so drinking was cheap. On Tuesdays Solitude would have $5 tickets. Three or four of us would ski to Brighton from the backside of Park City. One guy would drive to Solitude so we'd have a ride home. Obviously, we took turns driving. It was a hoot.
In the 80s I'm pretty sure Park City was the best ski bum town in the galaxy. Dirt cheap, no one around, and epic powder days. I was lucky to be there.
@@cvn6555 If by "locals" you mean Salt Lake City skiers.
Champagne Powder© is a name that belongs to Steamboat Springs, Colorado. Like legally. Utah doesn't have any.
Interesting. Thank you! The entire western US needs snow badly. btw the French resort Chamonix is pronounced “sham-O-knee”. 👍
Entire? Idk cascades just got like 6 feet of snow
Tf? I just rode Mammoth Big Bear and we are looking good!
Chamonix = shaa-muh-nee, not sha-mon-iks
Wow the thumbnail is not clickbait whatsoever, that's nuts!
Snowbird is nice. Spent a powder day at Solitude in the canyon and that was fantastic. Smaller but less visited.
Would anyone share where is the cheapest ski place (5 day pass + accomodation) in the world? I live in a hot country with no snow and want to travel every year to ski. So far Ive been to Chamonix, Korea and Japan. They were all very expensive. Im getting broke but I still wanna ski. Help?
Park City....it's like skiing with everything but the snow.
When lift tickets hit 200 bucks it’s Park City.
the way he said chamonix lol
😂 can you tell I've never been to ride in Europe?
Brighton is the best for snowboarders. Park city is basically Disneyland
Do t tell everyone about it ;) we dont need more crowds
Had a bomb time at parkcity
@@davidclark538 you probably love disneyland too
Vail does what it does....turned it into beginners heaven. Putting up so much inbound rope line it’s ridiculous!, so much terrain is closed. And going into these fun safe areas will result in pass pulled. And boy do they love to do that. I hate them
Yellow jackets suck, they have a quota, must stop and take a few passes PER DAY, to keep their jobs
Yeah we had to duck the ropes all day to get anywhere fun this year, saw some poor blokes getting their passes pulled.
I love Brighton best side country in the slc area but powder mountain has some awesome side country and snow cat terrain! That place is sick!
Hoping to check out Powder Mountain this year!
@@ShredSchool1 I guarantee on a powder day that place is among the best in North America!
I was at Park City this Monday. Only two runs open due to the late season start, but Vail has great people working there for an all around good experience (even with the very low amount of runs open)
hopefully we get some snow soon!
@@ShredSchool1 heck yeah man! I’d love to see more coverage on this area!
That number has changed in the last couple of weeks, thank god. More coming later this week!
That's why powder pwdr resorts lost their option on Park City and then ended up using the money got by them by Vail to purchase upkillington resort and Vermont and do major improvements there meanwhile the leadership at Killington was one of the top guys from Park City with this mistake oops
Park City/Canyons only had 1 full lift and 1 (sorta) full run, each, for the first 2 weeks of the 2021 season... And that's with opening late.
Today we're getting wet snow so we'll see...
I love the epic pass. I'm from Aus and get to snowboard heavenly, PC and vail for free. I'll see you in January.
Does Utah / park City check for vaccination to eat at restaurants? I read on crayons mountain , the restaurant only takes vaccinated.
Luv Park City! Haven't been there since before the Olympics.
Just moved out to park city, only a few runs open and not a whole lot of snow yet but I'm hyped to see if it's as good as I hear! I'm not sure how I feel about Vail because I do not have anything to compare it to, everything that I ride is Vail
It's a slow start to the season this year for sure. It will get good soon
Interesting video! Nice to change it up!
what did you think, stick to the trick tips or more of these mixed in?
This resort review is mega.. i’d love to see more as an east coast canadian that has to do research and make a whole trip out of deciding which notorious resorts to visit in the states
What are your top 5 considerations?
Vail/Breck would top my list for a skiing vacation. If it is only terrain that matters then Jackson Hole. An alternative would be the Cottonwood Canyon resorts 15 minutes from Salt Lake City airport. Park City is a long drive from SLC.
If you're a skier, Alta is a must-visit, with the qualification is that much of their best expert terrain involves significant traverses to get to it. Also, if your are a boarder, Alta does not and never will allow boarders on their lifts (they technically cannot prevent you from riding there, but without lifts it's forbiddingly infeasible and so vanishingly few try). However, with Snowbird next door offering an astounding amount of rad terrain, including two enormous bowls (actually a third if you count the cirque as a bowl) right off the top of the tram - no need to get upset that you can't experience Alta.
@@TheNcmore Yes. I remember the endless and discomfiting traverses at Alta. First time there, first day that season, first run of the year, a friend took me on Alf's. Wanted to kill him. Not a big fan of those traverses getting there and not happy to do it right out of the gate. With all the traversing I can't see why boarders would even want to go there; would be miserable for them.
Vail Corp in general is ruining winter sports. Just ask epic pass holders. They found out investors have to be paid first before ski and ride areas are opened......
It’s 1,000 acres smaller than Powder Mountain. Not the largest in the US.
Interesting because Park city is listed as the number one ski resort town in the country. And they’re in the top five in the world. Not to mention our ski in ski out hotels.
I like PC but feel like it should have double the number of restaurants. That was a real issue the last time I was there.
Going to Park City this weekend! 😳
Get some!
I mean I dislike vail but Im from cali with an epic pass and moving to utah soon here's to hoping vail buys snowbird too I wanna ride it
Skied the area, love Park City (McConkey's), made a small attempt to ski The Canyon's area, the trip was going to take too long, prefer Deer Valley over all of them, not a fan of snowboarders, I got slammed by one at JH, never stopped, messed up my five day ski vacations. Most boarders look like they are out of control and in general have not been educated on basic rules.
Was it them that ran into you or you turning into them? Unless someone is a beginner and just learning how to ski or snowboard (which in my opinion is completely excusable, no one is born an expert), most are in complete control (snowboarders just happen to be younger and a little more ballsy than most skiers). One person running into you doesn't make them all bad. As a snowboarder, I have to be more cautious of skiers because they don't have the ability to look around them since they're fixed facing forward and even if there is a bump in caused by them, I still get blamed, called names and patronized for existing in the same space. I see snowboarders being a lot more careful around other people for that reason, we're always looking around and looking for the safest path while trying to maintain our speed. If we're coming up on a flat area, we have to go faster to make it through without stopping or catching an edge. The biggest problem I see is when a snowboarder tries to pass a skier to maintain that speed and the skier blindly turns right in front of them or flat out stops in the middle of the run to converse with their group. Or even at the base when everyone is stopping to get on the lift and skiers just stop wherever they're at in the middle of the run, instead of getting off to the side, right in front of someone else and turn around and blame the boarder for running over their skis. Like I'm sorry I have to take up twice as much space to panic stop to avoid hitting you 🤷♀️ Almost all of the skier- snowboarder instances I've seen have been a direct cause of the skier either not paying attention to the people around them or having no knowledge of the basic mechanics of snowboarding. I think everyone on the mountain could do a lot of good by learning both in order to come to a full understanding.
Have fun at Deer Valley! Seems like your kind of people over there.
Park City also had two extremely bad professionals half pipe accidents with Kevin Pearce in 2009 and Sarah Burke in 2012
What happened to the audio videos 9 months ago seemed a little bit higher quality. Not trying to be mean more was just wondering what happened.
I was out of town and didn't have my usual setup unfortunately
I worked at PC the year before vail took over and the first year with vail and I can say Vail doesn’t care about their employees like park city did. The Perks were way better through Park city then Vail. PC gave Employees free day tickets to friends and family 8 if I’m not mistaking, and vail based it off how many hours you worked, bull shit! Overall PC did way better then Vail by a long shot.
ive skied the entire resort park city -> canyons and back a few times, its not that bad, including jupiter, and 9990,
Could you do some reviews on the ski resorts in Austria?
If you're visiting go to PC, they have free beer too!
I am a Colorado native, but lived in SLC for 5 seasons in the 90's. While Utah gets more snow. It is generally warmer there and the snow gets funky. Colorado gets less snow, but the snow we get is better and it generally is in better condition because of our higher altitudes and colder weather.
Great insight, cool to hear that you've lived both places.
I've found that it's warmer in UT when I'm there, but not so warm that it's heavy like Whistler or PacNW, so at least the very few times i've been there it's been more snow, not as cold, still fluffy, perfection
I was getting brain freeze riding in Colorado today with a helmet and helmet hood on because it's so cold 🥶
PC is my home mountain and I have been riding there since I was a kid. Love the mountain. But it does have its draw backs just like any place for sure.
It is a great mountain to call home, so much terrain
You can tell the locals from the tourists with the pronunciation of Alta. It's Al-tuh, not All-tuh. Oh and Vail Sucks!
IM GLAD SIERRA AT TAHOE IS STILL STRONG💪🏾
As far as I know me and a friend are the only people to hit every lift on the combined mountain including the magic carpets and kiddy lifts. We started in the canyons worked our way across and back. We only pulled it off because we worked for the resort and used the ski school lines or cut around the line by bribing liftes. If you don’t do those two things it’s impossible we literally were first and last chair of the day and bombed it every run with no breaks.
that's awesome. i did this at Vail once, took open to close non stop as well. Pretty crazy you pulled it off at PC
Show your boarding pass and ski the same afternoon for free? What resorts do that?
My mistake, it looks like they have since discontinued this after running it for 10+ years. It was for Park City
@@ShredSchool1 ahh ok, thanks fir the info.
Skiing had lost it's soul
You left out the details of Deer Valley...
The boarding pass thing is BS. They haven't done that in over 15 years. And your data is way off. Powder Mountain has over 10k acres, so your claim of them being the largest 🤔
Snow boarders suck lol 😂 🤙🏼 j/k the only reason I don’t care for snowboards is the plow too much snow .
Do one on how crested butte was bought
Vail sucks getting ikon pass next year because of how bad they are also Alta/ Snowbird way better than PC
. I am a local in live in pc though
Park City West? No Parkwest
Are you in Utah? I live in SLC too
I'm in Colorado, but was lucky enough to make it out to UT last year. SLC is a great spot to be in to shred!
Great vid
Thank you 🙏
@@ShredSchool1 Cheers. I see you giving out good advice for riding. The business side of things doesn't get much coverage on TH-cam. Good stuff...
i’ve lived in utah for over a year and wanted to go skiing at park city but it’s $166 for a day lift pass 🙃
Yeah it's pretty out of reach for most people if you don't have a season pass. If you buy a season pass ahead of time and go a decent amount it averages out to much cheaper
You could try Woodward Park City which is much cheaper
@@ShredSchool1 definitely gonna try that next year thanks!! gotta get the season passes early
One word: Alta
Day and multi-day passes have become so ridiculous that I buy an Epic local pass for the two weeks I spend at Vail and Breck each year. Saves me a lot.
That's rediculous!👿
money, money, money .. it's all the USA stands for
"sham o nix" ded
😂 is this not the proper pronunciation? I have never been and I don't speak French
@@ShredSchool1 "cha mo nee"
Alta lost a court battle on discrimination of snowboarders
That's total bullshit. Alta continues to win every baseless suit snowboarders bring. Alta rules!
The really funny/sad truth is that Alta's terrain is not suited to boarders anyway. Borders keep fighting for what? ...too try to push yourself along the high traverse which accesses most of the epic shots at Alta? Take your boards to Brighton. It's not discrimination its really just common sense.
@@CheriRichards who are you to tell me where and what terrain I can board?
It's called discrimination and they did lose in court
@@samdugdale5041 before you spew more baseless claims, prove it. What case did Alta lose? For your own sake, stop being such a victim looking for a target.
Who am I? Just someone with a dash of common sense. Enjoy today!
I hear the liquor laws suck in Utah. Is that true?
I think it might be
Nope
I moved here from Texas. There are literally no differences, law wise, that I've noticed and I'm sick of hearing out of staters saying this because it's a rumor. The thing that is different, which kind of sucks but I respect it, there are quite a bit of restaurants that don't serve alcohol
@@Adrenaline89Junky Good to know. Did they used to be different, is that why everyone thinks that? I remember 15 or so years ago you couldn't order alcohol without also ordering food and I think you had to be in some sort of club to order liquor at bars. But that was a long time ago
@@Adrenaline89Junky years ago I heard you couldn't buy beer above like 4% or something. I just looked it up and it appears the only difference now is you can't buy wine or spirits in a grocery store. I'm Canadian so that's normal for me.
If I lived in Utah i would actively spread rumors about how bad the liquor laws were. I would tell everyone it was a dry State so Californians keep moving to Colorado instead.
Vail Resorts ruined the majesty of Park City.
It’s still pretty sweet
Champagne pow is highly overrated.
Give me wet sludge any day and I will have a much bigger smile on my face!
The Dv difference .... you wouldn’t get it ED
Vail sucks and the Epic pass ruins resorts. If a resort is on the Epic pass I avoid it.
“Sha-mo-nicks” lol. Check your pronunciation of Chamonix.
Yes, you are the 5th person to tell me this. Next time I will get it right, I might have to go visit to really lock it in
They had one job
Exactly!
*park west
You are the problem with the ski industry. Keep Utah local. Stop blowing up all the resorts.
Vile resorts😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝
Udah🤒🤮😷
VAIL resorts is AWFUL
Utah snow sucks, don't come here
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Lol...