Just wanted to let you know that I have a run for a security camera to my mailbox. The run is ~425' and has had sporadic connectivity issues. I bought one of these based on your review and placed it 1/3 of the way down the run. It's amazing the difference, thanks!
An outdoor cable run really shouldn't be copper, unless you have taken the time to bond it. This is a job for optical. BUT in those cases where long outdoor copper runs can't be avoided (or if you've inherited one), these are good solutions.
It should be mentioned you don't have to feed the GPeR's with 24V passive PoE to use the last one in "do not forward voltage" mode. You just have to power them with passive PoE within the voltage range. In the case of Ubiquiti USG and EdgeSwitches, that is 24V passive but in the case Netonix, Ubiquiti ToughSwitches, Mikrotik switches, etc that support 48V passive PoE you can feed the GPeR with the high voltage. If you want to get the full daisy chain of GPeRs (7), the voltage drop beyond 5 GPeRs (930 m) actually requires you use 50+ VDC to power the chain.
Good to know. I have always done this using a "Ubiquiti NS-W NanoSwitch Outdoor 4-Port PoE Passthrough Switch". They are good for up to 200 meters if you put one in the middle of the run. I normally power lightbeams or nanostations like this. Those devices normally need a .3 AMP 24V POE injector, but with a long run I use a 1 AMP POE.
Thanks for the review on the product there Tom, nice and simple. Well done to Mikrotik for a great product. Will probably be using it in the future. So awesome!
Really love em, changed out a daisy-chain of poe devices on a run that really should have had a fiber run, had about 10 devices and cut it to 4. The weatherproofing case: needed to add silicone to the ends as CAT5 would let water through, wasn't tight enough, and i messed up with the PRECUT silicone ring(8:12) by cutting it once more, didnt notice the first time i held em, was kinda OH! when a sector fell off the ring Do try to set em up horizontally, even when there's no way to mount them to the POST
The Precut sealing ring that slips OVER the cable is a great idea (not highlighted in the video). First saw this same cable-end-sealing-method on some Annke cameras I recently purchased. They have a washer-ring at the main-body end of the thread too - look carefully in the video here, it's that orange ring that wasn't mentioned.
Hi, so I would just like to know. Would CAT5e cables work through this Mikrotik device? This is for POE from a POE Switch to an AccessPoint of over a distance of over 100m. Thus the reason for me looking into this product.
@@marcomckenzie6943 yep, like ive originally posted works fine(nobody uses CAT5 only these days, or even a decade back, its all CAT5e), even with multiple ones in between, mikrotik itself advertises it to go up to 1500 m, do watch out for power requirements, cable length between power source and between GPeR though. BUT for say 150m pretty sure it can, the power is put through and the only thing to worry about would be the data signal for that length, have done similar things with about 200-300m. try to check compatibility and do try to get over the required wattage though. From mikrotiks GPeR product page: Max out per port output (input 18-30 V) 2 A Max out per port output (input 30-57 V) 0.7 A
Any idea why it also has jumpers on the "PoE In" side? That doesn't seem to make much sense - it seems like it wouldn't get any power if you pull those off.
Prolly ali'l late to be askin, since I hava job this mornin, and already committed tha GPeR, but, I find the jumper section in tha manual, ali'l disconcerting. "Jumper usage If the destination device does not support PoE powering, the power passthrough can be disabled manually by removing both jumpers on the "PoE out" side. This will only work if "PoE in" is served by passive PoE source, as 802.3af/at switches will not be able to power the GPeR itself." I'm plannin on usin this on'a run, powered by a Ubiquiti USW-Pro-24-PoE, providing comms to a solar monitoring panel. I "believe" this switch will auto-negotiate POE req's of the endpoint, but I unsure of how the switch will "see" the GPeR? The switch supports 802.3af (PoE), 802.3at (PoE+), and 802.3bt (PoE++). Am I removing the jumpers, in this scenario? Thx!
My guess is you're not looking in the right places. I seem to find it in use larger environments or by service providers. (I believe large scale service providers are actually their main market.)
Have a 300m cable run this would be ideal for! (Can't use Fibre as I need PoE for a remote camera) Definitley interested to see 2 or 3 of them daisy-chained. Is the enclosure 100% waterproof? Thinking of putting in an underground duct that can have water in it.
No. Most Mikrotik devices can operate on a fairly wide voltage range so they just run with the voltage drop. In terms of the data, it's just a 2 port unmangaged switch.
Interesting, but from a maintainability perspective I would much rather have the active hardware at the endpoints. I can just imagine these stuffed inside a conduit in the rafters of a giant warehouse, a wall somewhere, underground conduit or the like, it sits there for a few years, people move on to other things, and then the new maintainers end up with failed cables not knowing it is really the repeater in the cable run that failed or started glitching up. Troubleshooting wise and longevity wise, it would be much easier to pull OS2 fiber and some sort of power separately to the other side. Especially if you end up with OS2 fiber and AC power, a simple let's drive this one PoE camera one day could end up with multiple PoE switches and a CWDM system another day. It seems so often something starts as we need some sort of connectivity over there for this one thing we are trying to do and then fast forward a few years there are all of these networked devices there or nearby getting network access from that run or talk of doing new runs because the old run can't keep up. For what OS2 fiber costs, it is pretty crazy what you can stick over it if you need it. Companies can easily spend thousands just for a single long cable run on installation where say the OS2 fiber itself costs 100 to 200 bucks for a pre-made cable, just pull it through. Also these runs tend to be doing something useful, so when they go down and you can't immediately figure out what is going on and fix it, that tends to cost more than any money saved by say going the repeater route over fiber all the way to the other side route. This is also one of my gripes about the coax networks so many of us have as our main home Internet option. When you have fiber to the home, at least for me, it has been this stuff just works. There was one time the ISP accidentally unplugged my cable at their CO (central office) and another time the Internet was out for unexplained reasons for a few minutes, but that has been it from them so far. While coax has its interference issues, there has also been a bunch of times for me at least where something broke or lost power in the active equipment they have in the field. Actually even with CAT6 Ethernet, those long runs with copper makes me wonder how far can you really go before interference becomes a major issue? This just sounds like a solution asking for trouble and when you need to maintain this crap, whatever money you can convince the bean counters to pay for the most reliable solution you can get is what you want to be pushing for. You don't want a networking solution that is going to be problematic and hamper business operations.
@@TimBass I don't believe these ones are split. They are designed to be installed before the cables are terminated. (As they should be. The split ones do fail even when installed carefully.)
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Just wanted to let you know that I have a run for a security camera to my mailbox. The run is ~425' and has had sporadic connectivity issues. I bought one of these based on your review and placed it 1/3 of the way down the run. It's amazing the difference, thanks!
Awesome!
An outdoor cable run really shouldn't be copper, unless you have taken the time to bond it. This is a job for optical. BUT in those cases where long outdoor copper runs can't be avoided (or if you've inherited one), these are good solutions.
Why does Mikrotik always have the most useful devices
Because they are run by people who actually perform the work.
It should be mentioned you don't have to feed the GPeR's with 24V passive PoE to use the last one in "do not forward voltage" mode. You just have to power them with passive PoE within the voltage range. In the case of Ubiquiti USG and EdgeSwitches, that is 24V passive but in the case Netonix, Ubiquiti ToughSwitches, Mikrotik switches, etc that support 48V passive PoE you can feed the GPeR with the high voltage. If you want to get the full daisy chain of GPeRs (7), the voltage drop beyond 5 GPeRs (930 m) actually requires you use 50+ VDC to power the chain.
More MikroTik content please!
Good to know. I have always done this using a "Ubiquiti NS-W NanoSwitch Outdoor 4-Port PoE Passthrough Switch". They are good for up to 200 meters if you put one in the middle of the run. I normally power lightbeams or nanostations like this. Those devices normally need a .3 AMP 24V POE injector, but with a long run I use a 1 AMP POE.
Thanks for the review on the product there Tom, nice and simple. Well done to Mikrotik for a great product. Will probably be using it in the future. So awesome!
How about a follow up where you see how many of these combined with game changer cables to see how far you can go.
I like that idea!
Looks really cool will have to try it out
Me too
This is amazing, I can totally use this. Thank you for the video
Really love em, changed out a daisy-chain of poe devices on a run that really should have had a fiber run, had about 10 devices and cut it to 4.
The weatherproofing case: needed to add silicone to the ends as CAT5 would let water through, wasn't tight enough, and i messed up with the PRECUT silicone ring(8:12) by cutting it once more, didnt notice the first time i held em, was kinda OH! when a sector fell off the ring
Do try to set em up horizontally, even when there's no way to mount them to the POST
The Precut sealing ring that slips OVER the cable is a great idea (not highlighted in the video). First saw this same cable-end-sealing-method on some Annke cameras I recently purchased. They have a washer-ring at the main-body end of the thread too - look carefully in the video here, it's that orange ring that wasn't mentioned.
Hi, so I would just like to know. Would CAT5e cables work through this Mikrotik device? This is for POE from a POE Switch to an AccessPoint of over a distance of over 100m. Thus the reason for me looking into this product.
@@marcomckenzie6943 yep, like ive originally posted works fine(nobody uses CAT5 only these days, or even a decade back, its all CAT5e), even with multiple ones in between, mikrotik itself advertises it to go up to 1500 m, do watch out for power requirements, cable length between power source and between GPeR though.
BUT for say 150m pretty sure it can, the power is put through and the only thing to worry about would be the data signal for that length, have done similar things with about 200-300m.
try to check compatibility and do try to get over the required wattage though.
From mikrotiks GPeR product page:
Max out per port output (input 18-30 V) 2 A
Max out per port output (input 30-57 V) 0.7 A
Thanks for the demo and info. Have a great day
Great stuff Tom, thanks for sharing
Any idea why it also has jumpers on the "PoE In" side? That doesn't seem to make much sense - it seems like it wouldn't get any power if you pull those off.
Prolly ali'l late to be askin, since I hava job this mornin, and already committed tha GPeR, but, I find the jumper section in tha manual, ali'l disconcerting. "Jumper usage
If the destination device does not support PoE powering, the power passthrough can be disabled manually by removing both jumpers on the "PoE out" side. This will only work if "PoE in" is served by passive PoE source, as 802.3af/at switches will not be able to power the GPeR itself." I'm plannin on usin this on'a run, powered by a Ubiquiti USW-Pro-24-PoE, providing comms to a solar monitoring panel. I "believe" this switch will auto-negotiate POE req's of the endpoint, but I unsure of how the switch will "see" the GPeR? The switch supports 802.3af (PoE), 802.3at (PoE+), and 802.3bt (PoE++). Am I removing the jumpers, in this scenario?
Thx!
Informative
A very useful device for a reasonably low price.
That pretty much sums up most MikroTik products. (Except WiFi is not thaaat great)
I dont know why I dont see more Mikrotik out in the field..
My guess is you're not looking in the right places. I seem to find it in use larger environments or by service providers. (I believe large scale service providers are actually their main market.)
Have a 300m cable run this would be ideal for! (Can't use Fibre as I need PoE for a remote camera) Definitley interested to see 2 or 3 of them daisy-chained. Is the enclosure 100% waterproof? Thinking of putting in an underground duct that can have water in it.
Do these have a boost converter in them to combat the voltage drop? I'd be very curious how much the voltage drops at the end
passive so no it just passes through power, though with 57V at a POE+ switch it should go quite far!
No. Most Mikrotik devices can operate on a fairly wide voltage range so they just run with the voltage drop. In terms of the data, it's just a 2 port unmangaged switch.
Interesting, but from a maintainability perspective I would much rather have the active hardware at the endpoints. I can just imagine these stuffed inside a conduit in the rafters of a giant warehouse, a wall somewhere, underground conduit or the like, it sits there for a few years, people move on to other things, and then the new maintainers end up with failed cables not knowing it is really the repeater in the cable run that failed or started glitching up.
Troubleshooting wise and longevity wise, it would be much easier to pull OS2 fiber and some sort of power separately to the other side. Especially if you end up with OS2 fiber and AC power, a simple let's drive this one PoE camera one day could end up with multiple PoE switches and a CWDM system another day. It seems so often something starts as we need some sort of connectivity over there for this one thing we are trying to do and then fast forward a few years there are all of these networked devices there or nearby getting network access from that run or talk of doing new runs because the old run can't keep up. For what OS2 fiber costs, it is pretty crazy what you can stick over it if you need it. Companies can easily spend thousands just for a single long cable run on installation where say the OS2 fiber itself costs 100 to 200 bucks for a pre-made cable, just pull it through. Also these runs tend to be doing something useful, so when they go down and you can't immediately figure out what is going on and fix it, that tends to cost more than any money saved by say going the repeater route over fiber all the way to the other side route.
This is also one of my gripes about the coax networks so many of us have as our main home Internet option. When you have fiber to the home, at least for me, it has been this stuff just works. There was one time the ISP accidentally unplugged my cable at their CO (central office) and another time the Internet was out for unexplained reasons for a few minutes, but that has been it from them so far. While coax has its interference issues, there has also been a bunch of times for me at least where something broke or lost power in the active equipment they have in the field. Actually even with CAT6 Ethernet, those long runs with copper makes me wonder how far can you really go before interference becomes a major issue? This just sounds like a solution asking for trouble and when you need to maintain this crap, whatever money you can convince the bean counters to pay for the most reliable solution you can get is what you want to be pushing for. You don't want a networking solution that is going to be problematic and hamper business operations.
Could you do a teardown of the GPeR? I'm interested what's in there, that they sell ist for $16 only.
@8:22 You're using glands totally wrong mate. They go into the body not the tops.
Yeah, they should be split too. That way you can put them on a cable that already has an end on it. Poe security cameras have the same thing.
@@TimBass I don't believe these ones are split. They are designed to be installed before the cables are terminated. (As they should be. The split ones do fail even when installed carefully.)
does coupling cable runs degrade cat 6? or affect POE performance?
I'd love to see this performance tested. Would this potentially add latency?
2:10, 3d printed stand for the camera?
Portable Mount for Unifi G3 Camera
www.thingiverse.com/thing:3180368
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Awesome! Thanks Tom!
Meekrotik lolz
With fiber so cheap, if you don't absolutely need POE you might as well go optical.
You can just run power beside the optical.
aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh
q is why to use this instead of more cheap repeaters
A: Because there isn't anything any cheaper. And anything cheaper would be a huge fire risk.
Audio bitrate is too low / poor codec choice
Be trying out on two projects next week. Thanks Tom they are pretty reasonable on price too.