A fundamental thing we all desire is dignity in life. The right to choose to end it on our terms before the ability to choose is gone is naturally a part of that.
My mother had MS. In her last year she suffered and completely lost who she was. She kept having infections that ravaged her body. She begged me not to revive her if she had another infection. I let the doctor know and we let her go. I’m sure had she had the chance, she would’ve had the option to go sooner without the humiliation and loss of dignity. I still have vivid memories of her suffering even in her death.
@@Omar-df2se human dignity cannot be lost. I'm sorry to hear of the pain. Humans are by definition needy; our dignity is honoured with care in the midst of suffering.
@@cinhofilms I respectfully disagree. My mother had the best private care possible, we even had a live in nurse for her, and still, she had no dignity. I won’t go into details of what she went through, but her last year was horrific.
A wonderful interview. Kim is doing sterling work in everything she does as an MP. Let everyone have the choice to die with dignity. I sincerely hope this bill passes.
From the perspective of someone from Belgium where we allow euthanasia for people with intolerable suffering including children, the fact that even this proposal which relates to assisted dying for people with only six months to live, monitored by two doctors as well as a judge, might not pass is insane and outrageous.
We in the UK generally find it harder to talk about issues around death than our European neighbours. For most of my life a discussion like the one in this video would have been very difficult to have in public. Attitudes have been slowly changing and I believe the majority of people support this bill, but the political class is always slower to catch up to public opinion.
Belgium takes it way too far. People with suicidal depression are allowed to seek euthanasia. You think you solve one problem, in reality, your enabling a far worse one.
This is a fantastic bit of journalism. All completely rational, throughly researched questions framed in a sincere way. The sensitivity of the topic was handled really well on both sides. And Kim expressed her point incredibly well. I was always in support of this bill but really cleared up some concerns and will undoubtedly give others lots to think about. Excellent interview.
We have assisted dying here in Belgium and it works fine. We had all these conversations years ago and again fear factor was spread around but in the end with strict guidelines we see this as a benefit.
It all sounds wonderful that there will be extra training for doctors and access to psychiatrists and other professionals, but where does this fit in to an already stretched NHS which can't even adequately meet its current obligations?
You believe the extra training will work? Please tell me you're not that naive? Doctors already have training for DNR's which they ignore. They still set them up behind peoples backs without telling them. They still do not follow the rules. They ignore the rules which means they should be reviewed each time you go into hospital and they lie in the medical notes to cover their back at times.
Re. the burden terminology, I would be inclined to consider turning it round and allow a patient to say "my life is a burden to me, please help me to end it". I have worked in the NHS all my life and am now a retired GP. I have seen many patients for whom that would apply but couldn't offer any help 😢
What she has said about burden in this interview is very disturbing because 54% of people who choose assisted dying in Oregon in 2021, which the British bill is based on, said they felt they were a burden. The Labour MP Rachael Maskel was correct to criticise Kim Leadbeater comments “The subtleties of societal coercion are not grasped in these comments, where someone can believe that not to opt for an assisted death is a selfish act. This is especially so in a society where assisted suicide is normalised, often described as a ‘duty to die’”.
@@riaz8783 or perhaps read the British bill yourself to see how poorly written it is and look at all the issues there are in Oregon that the British bill is based on.
The people who say, “You’ve a certain horrible death ahead of you? Well, it’s only moral that you go through every possible second of it” have had their way for long enough. Time for dignity.
Anybody trying to stop this bill is guilty of projecting their own views on others in a most disgraceful way. In my view it doesn't go nearly far enough but it is a step in the right direction. Unfortunately advancements in medical abilities have gone beyond prolonging life in certain cases and have moved into the realms of prolonging suffering.
You can also very easily say anybody trying to get this bill through is guilty of projecting their own views on others in a most disgraceful way and leaving the vulnerable open to coercion.
Dad needed an Ambulance to take him 1 mile from the hospital to the helipad a clot in his neck needed to be removed, 8 hours later one arrived by then Dad had gone blind they told us he would be dead within 4-5 hours, 48 hrs later he was still fighting for every breath Imagine a fish out of water, The damage to his brain was horrendous. But something was keeping him going the nurses were begging him to let go, We buried him 2 days before Christmas and owing to the delays with Covid his inquest is taking place just a few days before they break for this christmas, the lasting image is a man vomiting and gas escaping from his mouth, My condition is now Terminal I have a DNR in place, and EVERY single night we keep going over and over his death, I am lucky if I get 2 hours sleep. Dogs are given more dignity than humans If a situation arises like my father they deserve better than being allowed to suffer like that, the 92 page report into the failings that lead to this make for horrific reading.
Once again no parity for those suffering from severe and enduring mental health conditions, often at least as distressing as any terminal diagnosis. Some people with mental health conditiosns 'arent getting better' either and are putting themselves and loved ones through considerable trauma.
The Nazis in fact killed 40,000 or more adults and children with what they described or justified in similar terms to yours. Called the T4 program. Are you sure you want us to follow that precedent? For follow up, the place it happened was Hartsheim, a psychiatric facility not far from Frankfurt.
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Aotearoa introduced assisted dying following a referendum in 2020. We had all the usual opposition from the people who can't stand to see anything change, but the law passed and it's all worked out fine.
Human responsibility is not a consumer choice; the human right to learn to steward in the midst of suffering which involves caring for each other in the midst of suffering, the expression of logical love as things stand, cannot be taken away but it can be dishonoured, that is to say violated, a dismissal of the right to learn to vote; a removal of suffrage.
Allowing people the right to choose to go out on their terms rather than linger through unneccessary suffering, degradation and trauma to their loved ones is caring for each other. You should not have the right to demand that those you don't know struggle on for however long it takes their illness to finally take them, just for your own comfort of mind. What you're asking for is not love, it's selfishness.
@@benjones3466 Human rights are bio-logical and are subsequently not in competition with each other. There is no such thing as a right to go out in our own terms. The piece of my mind that I am concerned with concerns every creaturely-learning-human-steward-of-the-ecosystem's right to life; which is obviously not a selfish, 'America first' attitude, it's international cosmopolitanism. Human responsibility is the basis of a debating chamber.
Proposal is being raced through without enough time to discuss, debate, consider and amend. Also questions of MPs ability to understand the nuances and possible unintended consequences, highlighted by this MP who has 'googled'. Cretins at the levers of power. Must be a comedy sketch😂😂
If this lady’s answer to a problem is to allow assisted dying it strikes me that she is far from being the problem solver she so arrogantly considers herself.
If this lady’s answer to a problem is to allow assisted dying it strikes me that she is far from being the problem solver she so arrogantly considers herself.
Your comment is utterly pointless - you have made no case either for or against the subject at hand, merely referring to it as 'a problem' and negatively criticising the MP herself. Which means you are being either very dense or arrogant...
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A fundamental thing we all desire is dignity in life. The right to choose to end it on our terms before the ability to choose is gone is naturally a part of that.
My mother had MS. In her last year she suffered and completely lost who she was. She kept having infections that ravaged her body. She begged me not to revive her if she had another infection. I let the doctor know and we let her go. I’m sure had she had the chance, she would’ve had the option to go sooner without the humiliation and loss of dignity. I still have vivid memories of her suffering even in her death.
@@Omar-df2se human dignity cannot be lost. I'm sorry to hear of the pain. Humans are by definition needy; our dignity is honoured with care in the midst of suffering.
You religious types value human suffering, not human welheing or dignity. @@cinhofilms
@@cinhofilms I respectfully disagree. My mother had the best private care possible, we even had a live in nurse for her, and still, she had no dignity. I won’t go into details of what she went through, but her last year was horrific.
A wonderful interview. Kim is doing sterling work in everything she does as an MP. Let everyone have the choice to die with dignity. I sincerely hope this bill passes.
From the perspective of someone from Belgium where we allow euthanasia for people with intolerable suffering including children, the fact that even this proposal which relates to assisted dying for people with only six months to live, monitored by two doctors as well as a judge, might not pass is insane and outrageous.
We in the UK generally find it harder to talk about issues around death than our European neighbours. For most of my life a discussion like the one in this video would have been very difficult to have in public. Attitudes have been slowly changing and I believe the majority of people support this bill, but the political class is always slower to catch up to public opinion.
Belgium takes it way too far. People with suicidal depression are allowed to seek euthanasia. You think you solve one problem, in reality, your enabling a far worse one.
This is a fantastic bit of journalism. All completely rational, throughly researched questions framed in a sincere way. The sensitivity of the topic was handled really well on both sides. And Kim expressed her point incredibly well. I was always in support of this bill but really cleared up some concerns and will undoubtedly give others lots to think about. Excellent interview.
We have assisted dying here in Belgium and it works fine. We had all these conversations years ago and again fear factor was spread around but in the end with strict guidelines we see this as a benefit.
Amazing interview, Kim showed unbelievable composure and passion for doing the right thing
What an eloquent politician. So refreshing.
Great interview. Really hope it passes.
It all sounds wonderful that there will be extra training for doctors and access to psychiatrists and other professionals, but where does this fit in to an already stretched NHS which can't even adequately meet its current obligations?
You believe the extra training will work? Please tell me you're not that naive? Doctors already have training for DNR's which they ignore. They still set them up behind peoples backs without telling them. They still do not follow the rules. They ignore the rules which means they should be reviewed each time you go into hospital and they lie in the medical notes to cover their back at times.
Re. the burden terminology, I would be inclined to consider turning it round and allow a patient to say "my life is a burden to me, please help me to end it". I have worked in the NHS all my life and am now a retired GP. I have seen many patients for whom that would apply but couldn't offer any help 😢
What she has said about burden in this interview is very disturbing because 54% of people who choose assisted dying in Oregon in 2021, which the British bill is based on, said they felt they were a burden. The Labour MP Rachael Maskel was correct to criticise Kim Leadbeater comments “The subtleties of societal coercion are not grasped in these comments, where someone can believe that not to opt for an assisted death is a selfish act. This is especially so in a society where assisted suicide is normalised, often described as a ‘duty to die’”.
This MP is fantastic. She has my vote.
If I need to, I will travel to Switzerland. My choice. My way.
How do we avoid a Canada style situation?
And Oregon: ADs for arthritis, anorexia, hernias
Listen to the podcast perhaps?
@@riaz8783 or perhaps read the British bill yourself to see how poorly written it is and look at all the issues there are in Oregon that the British bill is based on.
THIS WOMAN NEEDS TO GO TO MASS AND CONFESSION
The people who say, “You’ve a certain horrible death ahead of you? Well, it’s only moral that you go through every possible second of it” have had their way for long enough. Time for dignity.
Those stories at the beginning are harrowing.
Anybody trying to stop this bill is guilty of projecting their own views on others in a most disgraceful way. In my view it doesn't go nearly far enough but it is a step in the right direction. Unfortunately advancements in medical abilities have gone beyond prolonging life in certain cases and have moved into the realms of prolonging suffering.
You can also very easily say anybody trying to get this bill through is guilty of projecting their own views on others in a most disgraceful way and leaving the vulnerable open to coercion.
Dad needed an Ambulance to take him 1 mile from the hospital to the helipad
a clot in his neck needed to be removed, 8 hours later one arrived by then Dad had gone blind
they told us he would be dead within 4-5 hours, 48 hrs later he was still fighting for every breath
Imagine a fish out of water, The damage to his brain was horrendous. But something was keeping him going the nurses were begging him to let go, We buried him 2 days before Christmas
and owing to the delays with Covid his inquest is taking place just a few days before they break for this christmas, the lasting image is a man vomiting and gas escaping from his mouth,
My condition is now Terminal I have a DNR in place, and EVERY single night we keep going over and over his death, I am lucky if I get 2 hours sleep. Dogs are given more dignity than humans
If a situation arises like my father they deserve better than being allowed to suffer like that,
the 92 page report into the failings that lead to this make for horrific reading.
Once again no parity for those suffering from severe and enduring mental health conditions, often at least as distressing as any terminal diagnosis. Some people with mental health conditiosns 'arent getting better' either and are putting themselves and loved ones through considerable trauma.
The Nazis in fact killed 40,000 or more adults and children with what they described or justified in similar terms to yours. Called the T4 program.
Are you sure you want us to follow that precedent?
For follow up, the place it happened was Hartsheim, a psychiatric facility not far from Frankfurt.
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I applaud this bill but feel there will have to be a wider bill in the future.
Aotearoa introduced assisted dying following a referendum in 2020. We had all the usual opposition from the people who can't stand to see anything change, but the law passed and it's all worked out fine.
One thing is country doesn't need is another referendum a free vote in parliament is fine on this issue, no need to divide the country again.
@entmeister-general415 True. 'Get stuff done with the minimum of fuss' should always be the principal.
doctors are bnot psycologysts - knowing the reason peopel are saying it as they are a burden
I remember the laughing Leadbeaters
Human responsibility is not a consumer choice; the human right to learn to steward in the midst of suffering which involves caring for each other in the midst of suffering, the expression of logical love as things stand, cannot be taken away but it can be dishonoured, that is to say violated, a dismissal of the right to learn to vote; a removal of suffrage.
And your point is? Love does not make people not feel insufferable pain.
@AH-te5gs We are to offer healing as much as possible; that's why we call an ambulance to a terrible incident. We are to comfort each other.
Allowing people the right to choose to go out on their terms rather than linger through unneccessary suffering, degradation and trauma to their loved ones is caring for each other.
You should not have the right to demand that those you don't know struggle on for however long it takes their illness to finally take them, just for your own comfort of mind. What you're asking for is not love, it's selfishness.
@@cinhofilms An ambulance does not provide comfort. It brings medics who treat you.
@@benjones3466 Human rights are bio-logical and are subsequently not in competition with each other. There is no such thing as a right to go out in our own terms. The piece of my mind that I am concerned with concerns every creaturely-learning-human-steward-of-the-ecosystem's right to life; which is obviously not a selfish, 'America first' attitude, it's international cosmopolitanism. Human responsibility is the basis of a debating chamber.
Proposal is being raced through without enough time to discuss, debate, consider and amend. Also questions of MPs ability to understand the nuances and possible unintended consequences, highlighted by this MP who has 'googled'. Cretins at the levers of power. Must be a comedy sketch😂😂
Why do you use those pathetic emojis at the end of every comment you post?
Are you twelve?
Who’s paying for the High Court Judge ?
Taxpayers.
@@viccifranklin3165 that is a mental comment
If this lady’s answer to a problem is to allow assisted dying it strikes me that she is far from being the problem solver she so arrogantly considers herself.
From the looks of things the only arrogant person here is you.
If this lady’s answer to a problem is to allow assisted dying it strikes me that she is far from being the problem solver she so arrogantly considers herself.
Your comment is utterly pointless - you have made no case either for or against the subject at hand, merely referring to it as 'a problem' and negatively criticising the MP herself. Which means you are being either very dense or arrogant...
@@mjwilliamsb2676 or both, as the case may be.