I also think that he underestimates Rarity by a lot. The way he describes her was probably true before she met Twilight. But after hanging out with Twilight so many times, I do believe that she learned more then she ever could do before, as you both mentioned just what she was capable of as the show went on.
Unicorns are still the master race because they’ll always be above other ponies with the same talent. For example, with magic by their side, they’ll always be better chefs, doctors, artists, designers, etc. We can see this with Rarity: she may not use her magic for everything since her talent is not about magic, but her magic skills are all related to fashion and help her in ways that would be harder for an earth pony or a Pegasus with the same talent. The advantage of having magic allows unicorns to perform tasks more efficiently and with greater precision, giving them a significant edge in various professions and creative pursuits.
I think every unicorn can learn the more complicated spells but it just takes a lot of time and practice. The ones who are willing to do so can suceed in performing more complicated spells. They just need to be patient.
I can almost imagine an alternate timeline where if Starlight was chosen to go into Celestia’s school instead of Sunburst, she probably would have been competing with twilight for the role of Celestia’s personal student and could probably surpass Twilight in a way. Just something to think about.😅
Someone needs to write a fanfic or au story about that! In facf i think someone already actually did but i forgot the title but it's a pretty recent fanfic on fim fiction. Starlight might still become evil because of being forced to leave Sunburst and because of all tbe pressure put on her at magic school so she might of ended up dropping out or something but also maybe all the competition and purpose might keep her from becoming evil for a while. Especially if she could become celestias apprentice or was able to find friends with more similar interests and maybe personalities. But obviously she had trouble learning magic so she might of ended up dropping out for other more Sunburst like reasons. Nevermind I forgot the fanfic wasn't about that exact concept. It was about starlight going to school with Sunburst. But if you are still interested it's called without her mark. There's also a fanfic called blooming days which is kind of about that concept.
Twilight was meant to be Celestia's star student from the minute she got her cutie mark, the elements of harmony. It's a built in "chosen one" reminder tattooed on her butt. Maybe Starlight could still hate cutie marks though, because one took her away from her friend and one stopped her from achieving something that should have been rightfully hers.
Rarity has demonstrated that she actually has a great deal of power. When she had Rainbow Dash's cutie mark she was able to manipulate weather on a massive scale. That demonstrates she has inmense power, even if she doesn't have the training to utilize that power.
Technically she was just moving around a large amount clouds. Which because they are made of mist I would assume would be lighter in height compared to her normal fabrics and scissors. It’s actually the clouds itself that contain the weather. Rarity is just manipulating the clouds which in turn “manipulates” the weather.
I don't think it really counts, she was under the influence of Rainbow Dash's cutemark, whose the strongest pegasus pony outhere. It would make sense she'd get the ability to controll the wether but just not be any good at it. Despite this I do agree that Rarity is above avrage, in the S9 finale she showed pretty impressive spells she hasn't performed at all in the rest of the series. Aldough she could probably perform them more consistently with more practice it's still clear that unlike Twilight that's not where her real talent is.
@@jamesies_wistius2010 she was fulled with anger that time uf we compare an unemotioned starlight she would not even par with twilight magic raw power is based on the user emotion the more emotion the user had the powerful the attack just like baby unicorn and alicorn they can do a massive attack
Also, Twilight and Starlight teleports as they breathe, but in the Finale, when the Triad attacked, Rarity was able to perform a teleportation and you could see the toll it took on her ! This was a spur of the moment real flex, as she probably absorbed the knowledge to do it hanging out with Twilight and just put everything she had to perform it just this once. In fact, you can also seee how proud and surprised she was to have pulled it off !
4:52 I'm just going to point out that Twilight Velvet levitates herself in Once Upon a Zeppelin. And Twilight Sparkle does so in The Crystal Empire as well. As for the pegasi, they literally already have a power scale in canon. It's part of their Spartan social psychology that has been explored in so many fan works. "I'll never crack your clique because I don't go mach 5".
What are the timestamps for Twilight's self-levitation in The Crystal Empire, and for Twilight Velvet in Once Upon a Zeppelin if you don't mind me asking? Edit: nvm on The Crystal Empire one, I've found it. It's 8:46, The Crystal Empire (Part 2) I also found the scene in Once Upon a Zeppelin, the timestamp for it is around 20:59 if anyone is curious.
I think Unicorns should just be grouped into 3 catagories. Normal- this is the average joe pony that I assume make up over 90 percent of the entire unicorn population who know little more than basic levitation. Specialized- these ponies excel in only one or a few catagories of magic. Examples include Rarity and her gem locating spells or Shining Armor and his shield spells. Gifted- These are the unicorns that actively practice their magic and as a result are really versatile in their magic. Examples include Twilight, Sunset, Starlight, and Starswirl. These are the fewest in number and you really have to commit to become this catagory.
Honestly, Unicorns are at their weakest mostly due to a lack of interest. As Doc Anubis said, Rarity has fine control over her magic and impressive abilities gifted to her by her cutie mark. However, because of her general lack of interest in magic, she's still "Weak." In comparison to ponies like Trixie, or Sunburst. Yet, I believe that is what sets Unicorns apart from all of the races. This *exact* detail is what makes them the "Master Race." Every single one of them has the potential to go beyond themselves if they want to. Every single one of them could potentially learn transfiguration, growth spells, age spells, etc. Maybe they won't ever be Twilight Sparkle levels, but they'll be a close second. Imagine for just a second an army of Starlight Glimmers in a sense. Would they be weaker than Starlight herself? Sure, but in direct competition with the other races, that's still leagues above them. And unlike the other races, Unicorns are not hampered by physicality. By flesh. A Unicorn grows more powerful the more they learn, a unicorn gets stronger with every book read, every spell reimagined, and in practically every creative endeavor. Pegasi's main strength is their speed, and while impressive, there are many things a *peak* average unicorn could do to counter a pegasi's speed. They could transfigure them or a part of their body, wait for the right moment to grab their wings with telekinesis, teleport out of their strikes, lightning bolts, etc. The same applies to earth ponies, but for them, it is even worse as they need kinetic energy to fuel their attacks. A unicorn can easily rip away the chance of attack defense or counterattack from an earth pony by casting telekinesis and lifting them in the air. (Not counting G5). Tldr, if every Unicorn applied themselves, the large majority of them would be powerhouses, even outside of special cutie marks. Without a special cutie mark skill, you can still teleport things, use telekinesis, use transfiguration, possibly Sombra's Shadow Magic (Though I'm not sure how the average unicorn would ever learn this), and who knows what else. Also, we do have a baseline for Starswirl somewhat. The Pony Of Shadows shouts out at Twilight "This one is almost as powerful as Starswirl!" This implies that Starswirl is not only more powerful than Twilight but also possibly more powerful than the other alicorns as well. Twilight is the one connected to the element of magic, and she does have a magical cutie mark giving her a boost in her power, and yet still Starswirl, a regular old, emphasis on old, unicorn can match her, if not succeed her in terms of power. I wonder what Starswirl did to get so strong. By the way, aren't the cake babies able to self-levitate too? Also, Trixie was able to briefly self-levitate in this episode th-cam.com/video/WIio5aAyQRI/w-d-xo.html So rather than it being ultimate proof of Starlight's skill, it might just be something unicorns don't do often. Or maybe most unicorns don't know about it, because, if Trixie of all ponies can do it, then anypony around her level should be able to do it as well.
While you have a few good points, I think you overestimate the potential of the average unicorn. Yes sure they can reach a lot in their area of interest, but there is still a cap to their power due to the lack of potential for many Take Sunburst, he is talented, but his potential for magic is low, despite having worked as hard, if not harder than everyone else
@@doc_anubis See, that's something I have trouble confirming with such certainty. How can we be sure that Sunburst's weakness is not due to his own personal failings? He *is* a flunkie after all, and had zero confidence in himself until he finally proved his own worth when he saved the Crystal Empire. Is it really fair to use him as a baseline for the average unicorn's projected abilities, when he has so many personal faults that directly affect his own ability to perform? To sum up my feelings on the matter, while I might agree that they aren't immediately overpowered, in terms of scale, and in terms of potential, they are *very* over powered. Unicorns simply do more than pegasi or earth ponies can do.
@Serpentine8184 everyone has personal faults, and if his knowledge is anything to go by, I would find it hard to believe if he didn't study and bust his ass to try his best, yet he still didn't succeed And even if his personal faults were the only reason, those are exactly the things that limit said magic potential
@@doc_anubis True enough I suppose. I just wonder if his personal failings are the general limit to magical potential, or if they are Sunburst's personal limits, his personal failings, that held him back specifically. I see your point. I just doubt that on a *general* scale, most unicorns hold the self-doubt that Sunburst seems to hold for himself. At least not self doubt as extreme as Sunburst's.
Yea they explained in the beginning of Boast busters that most unicorns only know one spell based on cutiemark, I assume that slightly changed by the end of the end of the show though. Pumpkin cake was I think the first unicorn to levitate themself with magic.
About Starlight's self levitation.. Twilight self levitated twice as a unicorn, one where she stopped her fall in the return of the crystal empire and two when she levitated herself and her friends into the air in season 3 magical mystery cure. Starswirl could also self levitate.
An interesting aspect is that sweetie Belle of all ponies could actually be considered above rarity, and maybe even somewhat above Trixie. She’s been shown to be able to do a shield spell, although as a filly it was a little weak, was able to levitate another pony, and then when she was older in that one episode actually managed to teleport herself and two other ponies out of harms way
I agree Starlight is the superior, far superior than Star swirl, because for one thing, Starswril was only able to do time travel for a short period of time, while Starlight is way up to his league, Star swirl focuses on raw power, Starlight tend to focus on the complexity, which if more dangerous
Starlight was only able to go through time thanks to her using a scroll that *Starswirl made.* All she did was alter it, she is nowhere near his level. Also, Starswirl was the creator of a great deal of spells in Equestria. Two-hundred if I remember correctly, there is no way he's primarily focused on *only* raw power (He also taught the princesses, plus he was the creator of the Equestria Girls portal, he is far beyond most if not all unicorns honestly.)
@@Serpentine8184 I know most of her spells comes from him, but what if he didn't made those spells? She probably could've make those (it's like saying if Hamphry Davy didn't make a light bulb, we have no lights now... No, if he didn't make it at that time, for sure someone else could've still created a light bulb, it's like Starlight), you only saying Starswril is the the strongest because he is the primary source of spells, but look dipper, if Starlight is in that time, she could've just teleported back in time and stop like Sirens from finding that amulet, or stop lord Tirek from ever coming on the Equestria. 😄
@@redrose9330 Starswirl did make those spells. He's directly mentioned as having made the spells. I think he's the only pony to date to ever be credited with making any kind of time-traveling spells, it seems to be his particular area of expertise.
@@redrose9330I think I understand what you're trying to imply. You're saying that they have similar capabilities(Even though you do outright call Starlight superior to Starswirl, which seemingly just isn't true.) I just don't think that the implications you're making are accurate.
I've always thought it was interesting that Rarity is actually quite good at magic... when it comes to fashion. Like, think of the precision and dexterity it must take to do what she does! And I like the implication that her magic is stronger in that area partly because it's something she loves and puts a lot of passion and effort in. For me, magic is similar to athletic or musical ability. Some are more naturally inclined in those areas, but it takes time and practice to nurture that. Pegasus flight might be similar. I guess you can say if you agree in a pegasus video if you decide to make one. 🙈
I don't agree with Rarity and Trixie. Rarity was able to do magic that isn't only related to her talent, while Trixie couldn't. We even have proof of that when Trixie couldn't do spell that changes something into a cup and starlight had to teach her. Trixie literally said that she can't do magic not related to her talent. Also even if we take look at magic they use for work, Rarity uses much more spells. About Celestia's school it's not fair to judge them just based on a fact that one of them was there and other didn't. It's possible for someone talented not to go there, like Starlight or for someone not that talented to be there but just not pass. Also it's not fair to judge them based on their achievements as kids.
I know I'm just stating the obvious. But it's still a fact when I say that Unicorns may seem like the "master race" because they can use magic, But even the Unicorns have their share of flaws using magic doesn't make them perfect or better than anypony else. And it certainly doesn't mean that they can do anything and everything.
@@doc_anubis Maybe so, But I still feel it's worth pointing out. For those in the fandom who think that Unicorns are still superior despite their flaws.
Starlight is the best unicorn she has so strong of magic that she was able to even switch the royal princess's cutie marks. She is one hell of a powerful unicorn.
A topic you could try to explain is that why didn’t earth ponies have plant magic before? In G4 they are well known for their strength and I suppose that’s still true in G5. Still I got to wonder why they didn’t have plant magic before? Please think about it.
I think there were one or two scenes where plants grew fast around applejack I think one was in the decorating the castle episode I haven't actually watched g4 in a while so I could be wrong
Trixie clearly does have a lot of magical potential because of how quickly she learned teleportation, even if it didn't go as planned. Her issue is her lack of concentration.
I think the power levels of ponies varies wild depending at how you look at them in groups. While, individually, a unicorn might seem way more powerful then then the others tribes, but when you look at it closer those who can actually do big magical feats, or are very knowledgeable about the use of magic, are pretty small with most unicorn only managing to do basic TK. Pegasis on the other hand can all control the weather in a rather large area or territory, only needing a few weather ponies to manage the local weather of Ponyville. But as a great we have seen them manage to do a tornado capable of emptying whole reservoirs of water to a very precise location and they didn't need all weather managing training team to do it, and were even understrength to the task. The Pegasis can create massive weather catastrophes, tornadoes, lightning strikes, hurricanes, typhoons, or create droughts or just make it rain constantly drowning crops, create mud slides, destabilizes building and other weather related crisis. If the Pegasis were to go to ware with another nation they don't even need to fight their foes directly, along with being usually out of range for most of them to even attack and can grind them down through attrition, by attacking their infrastructure and food, and only need a low number of weather ponies manage that. On an even larger scale the Earth Ponies are probably capable of doing even greater thing, with makes them the true power of the trifecta; and that is just ignoring what they can do in G5 with is absolutely OP. Unlike the other two the Earth Ponies have a link with the earth and nature, and can grow crops in very difficult arid lands and limited means This would means that they have a constant and extremally reliable crop harvesting system, supplemented by the Pegasis which allows them to sustain a very large population growth without any trouble and allows the unicorns the free time to study their magic and other creative pursuits or research/science or maintain a very larger army, or in this case pegasis. Having a reliable source of food to that degree is empire building levels, which way outstrips what just a few unicorn wizards could collectively do together and the pegasis would never manage to have grown in the number that they are now because they could never do any agriculture up in the clouds. And that's not even going into the Earth pony's magical strength and hardiness able to to live in difficult environment which allows them to settle there and still grow crops or to intensive heavy labor heavy for extended periods of times. Heck even in real like ponies are so hardy that can outlast horses, being ridden or for farm work, they are the pony equivalent fantasy dwarves compared to human, with less swearing and more colorful. And with the full trifecta of ponies work together Equestria id effectively an unrivaled economic power house out stripping other races in crop production, industry, and sheer numbers, can sell better quality food to it's neighbors, export their weather managing skills, and no one would want to tick them off, and you get incredible diplomatic and economic influence to almost everywhere that are normal beings that can't live off eating rocks(AKA dragons).
I think Twilight and Starlight are at the same level. Yes, Starlight can levitate herself, however I haven't seen her levitate for a length amount of time. I imagine it must be very draining. (Twilight as well levitated a ginormous bear). She had cast a few strong spells, however I have also seen Twilight do the same. When Starlight was fighting Twilight, you could say that she was equally as powerful in this situation, however Twilight was unable to use her full capabilities due to her trying to not disturb the timeline. I may have gotten a few things wrong, but I have gathered that Starlight and Twilight are at roughly the same level. :)
While she certainly comes close, I'd say she is not quite there. The levitating Starlight did was done over a very lebgthy period, basically most of the season 5 finale, yes its exhausting,. but Starlight has a very high energy pool to make up for it. And for Twilight levitating the bear, she was incredibly strained while, and drained after she was doing it, while Starlight seemed fine
@@TwilghtSparkl3 And not just the bear either, she also levitated an entire water tower, lifted it through a barn, filled it with milk, and then proceeded to still carry the water tower and its cap through the air. Twilight's strength even as a *unicorn* is absurd. However, we have seen Starlight try to lift something heavy with her telekinesis on the other hand. She could barely carry Sunburst's luggage. th-cam.com/video/Z5-255sWfDw/w-d-xo.html
If I remember correctly, most unicorns only get magic related to their special talent and some basic levitation. Rarity probably can’t do non-gem related magic and Shining armor probably canon do non-protection magic. It is only unicorns with a talent in magic that can hone their skills further, like Twilight, Sunset, Starlight, Moon Dancer, Sun Burst, Trixie, Starswirl and and probably Luster Dawn. A fun pattern I’ve noticed is that all unicorns with magic talents have space related names (Even Trixie, since her full name is Trixie Lulamoon).
@@eddie-roo This needs to be clarified. Just because some ponies have specific magical cutie marks, does not mean they can only perform that type of magic. The biggest example of this is Sweetie Belle. There's a Reddit that goes into detail on just how much magical she seems to hold, all without a magical cutie mark. She can teleport in her adult form, and her filly form, she was seemingly able to use the same speed spell Starlight can use, Accelero. It seems more likely that not having a cutie mark in magic specifically just means you might not have as easy a time learning new magical spells on the spot as Twilight or Starlight can, but that doesn't mean you had locked out of every spell besides the one your cutie mark is based around. Plus, that objectively makes no sense anyway. For example, If Shining Armor's cutie mark was ONLY in shield magic, why even bother to get a generalized magical education? It'd be a waste of time when you can only perform one type of magic. Also, what about the alicorns? Alicorndom doesn't seem to change your magic much besides giving you a power boost, and it doesn't change your cutie mark, and yet obviously the alicorns are capable of casting other spells besides their cutie mark-specific ones. For example, in the episode where Discord pretends to be. Cadence casts a spell around herself and Twilight to keep themselves from being infected. One last thing... We don't know if Trixie has a cutie mark in magic. It's more likely that her cutie mark is magic tricks that exist differently from regular magic. (There's a possibly non-canon comic that shows the origin of Trixie's cutie mark. And if it IS canon, it further shows that without a cutie mark in magic, you can still practice other spells with effort, practice, study, and training. It just won't come as naturally to you as it does powerhouses like Twilight or Starlight.) Trixie Comic: imgur.com/a/trixies-cutie-mark-LbKVT Sweetie Belle Reddit post: www.reddit.com/r/mylittlepony/comments/11yvnr3/sweetie_belle_is_actually_really_good_at_magic/
What I really do wonder is just how much more powerful Twilight actually got after becoming an alicorn. She was already one of the most powerful unicorns ever, and we've actually never seen her do things as an alicorn that would have been impossible for her to do as a unicorn. Well, at least until the time skip. I feel like it just took a lot of time for her alicorn magic to really take hold, which is why she probably wasn't all that more powerful as an alicorn than she was as a unicorn during most of the show. The only thing I'm sure about is that she wouldn't have been able to contain all the other alicorns' magic in Twilight's Kingdom if she wasn't an alicorn herself, so I guess being an alicorn does give her "limitless potential" in a way, but the actual power that comes with it only grows slowly.
So far we have only one who has ever been able to emulate the flight of a Pegasus for example, and thats the one above the rest, the exception, and I doubt anyone else could reach that level
@@doc_anubis actually two twilight learned it from a book made by somepony, yet my point still stand among the three races the only ones that can reach that level are the unicorns, thats why celestia school is for unicorns and why the elite circle at least power wise will be mainly unicorns
Ok emulate flight was the wrong term, I was specifically talking about this self levitating Starlight was able to do, but I do see your point that there are ways around it
Eyup, but we have been made aware that babies in the world of MLP dont have much control over their powers, so I left that instance out. But yes, you are correct that Pumpkin Cake levitated herself, perhaps a show of her future prowess
I like this video a lot Doc. And I fully agree. Only a few unicorns are at the top. And if we also want to put tempest on the pyramid...it is tricky since she has no horn but her magic did a lot of damage when used. She is not a drop-out like Trixie but she is a soldier so I think we can make another section of unicorns, those who are soldiers in the Royal Guard or Tempest as the Storm Commander. Soldiers use magic in a combat way so not in a useful way like Rarity or a show way like Trixie
It kind of doesn't matter how many are on top because just like in real life we only care about those on top (in sports for example). And are alicorns balanced just because they are literally only 4 known (and 1 pseudo in G5)? Honestly i think this issue would not exist... if Starlight Glimmer was not existing. With Trixie vs Twilight we knew that Twilight is not that much better then Trixie (and magic duel proved that friendship is better then magic xd). Starlight vs Twilight on other hand.... this is when the show went full dragon ball power levels territory. And Twilight from season 5 would beat Trixie even with alicorn amulet.
You explained what Im talking about. The fandom only sees the exceptions, and thats what Im trying to change because that distorts the reality on a way too high level, hence the scale
a few criticisms of the methodology of this video: The visual used in this video is misleading and not exactly representative of the unicorn population. I'd also say the unicorns chosen to represent some of the tiers aren't exactly the best as many don't have concrete feats or comparisons to go off of. We can't make assumptions based on position. The usage of Celestia's School for Gifted Unicorns as a metric tenuous at best. We simply don't have enough feats from those unicorns (excluding twilight) to accurately measure anything, or even any conclusive statements about them. Once again, we can't just make assumptions. I'd cut them out of the pyramid entirely, they only really serve as padding here and don't add anything useful. Additionally, I'd argue attaining a position in the school is likely more based off studiousness, than inherent magical aptitude. Yes they probably have a higher baseline than average unicorns and have more knowledge, but basing off of IRL there are many people who are smart but don't have the best circumstances, or study as hard as others. I'd also say dropping out of school is often less of a matter of skill and more of just compatibility and the right circumstances for school, we don't have any conclusive reason why trixie dropped out and can't assume she is just inherently weaker. Actually, IMO Trixie is misrated in this pyramid, because of a certain feat: teleportation. We can establish that teleportation is an very difficult skill, S1 Twilight is Celestia's student and the element of magic and only manages to teleport when in extreme duress. Yes, Trixie was taught by Starlight, but she still shows aptitude. Also self-levitation isn't an insane feat magically, Trixie did it. It's probably just difficult to figure out, or more energy consuming to keep up for extended periods of time. Star Swirl? He's hard to rank. He's stated to be stronger than S8 Alicorn Twilight but his feats only include: 1. Making a shield, 2. Breaking some vines. Not insane. IMO I'd still put him above Starlight, given she and Twilight were dead even during S5 finale. That's the best I can do lol.
oops late to the video Anyhow, I do think the missing part between the "Vinyl Scratch and Rarity" tiers and school of magic is just that not every unicorn shows interest in their magic beyond what was useful in their everyday life. Think of how Rarity was able to control the weather when her cutie mark was swapped, how her magic took her seemingly miles away just to find gemstones. Also think of how little we see of magic being used by background ponies. Any one of those unicorns could be a Starlight, training in secret or just being passed by for somepony else who's talents were obvious sooner, or decided that even with their talent for magic, their passions lay elsewhere. If Minuette has an hourglass cutie mark like Doctor Whooves who prefers science to magic, I'm sure plenty of non-magical cutie marks could hide something like magic proficiency behind "no they like flowers see?".
No interest means no practice, they may have the potential, but their power level does still fit the scale, their potential might not, but the place where they are does
I mostly agree with the list but not with Starlight being alone at the top in terms of magical ability. Starswirl is more powerful than Season 7 finale Twilight based on what Stygian said and even her power and Starlight's combined only temporarily held him back. Because of that I'd absolutely say Starswirl is above her or atleast equal as of Season 9. Even aside from Starswirl though, Sombra is possibly the strongest magic user in the entire series during Season 9 aside from Discord and I guess Twilight in the finale considering he was able to put all of ponyville (including Starlight) under his spell which not even Twilight could dispel without the elements. In addition he required literally the entire mane six essentially blasting him to dust for him to be defeated because of how far above Twilight he was at the time. Imo the top 3 at the end of the series (if you dont include Twilight since she isnt technically a unicorn anymore) would be: 1. Sombra 2. Starswirl 3. Starlight
and I won't say all unicorns are necessarily better than the other 2 types of ponies but I think its pretty telling that the strongest ponies in the series are all either unicorns or alicorns. Just the fact that they have a way higher upper bound than pegasi and earth ponies already means calling unicorns the master race or some shit like that is a completely valid statement
I also wouldnt include Sombra, the comics show him as an Umbrum, a shadow pony, but I know many dont count the comics, so fair. Many people have been pointng out the starswirl thing that I forgot about, I would porobably keep him and Starlight in the highest level and just have him at the top and her at the bottom of it, cause I wouldnt want even more levels, we have enough lmao
@@doc_anubis I can see it but that comic storyline is one of the few which has been explicitly contradicted by the show which, for all intents and purposes, just calls him a unicorn. Also yeah I get what you mean and since a lot of the high tiers are pretty close in power to the point of it being highly opinion based too then its hard to pick just one strongest which everyone can agree on
@@Vanilla-Suite Actually, I do have a theory on how that story could still fit into the canon, should release two weeks from the release of this video, most things that contradict the show in the comics can be explained away pretty easily, and while this isnt an easy one, its a fun and far fetched one that I 100% believe for my own sake cause thats more fun, so I'll stick to Umbrum, I like them too much that way not to do that, I do understand why many dont though and I wont blame anyone for it
I personally have a theory that all power systems work on a multiple point scale and when all points line up, you have a prodigy. There are innate factors, environmental factors, personality factors, and honestly just some luck factors. Probably more, but I'm just trying to paint a broad picture for this idea. For the sake of argument, lets say it takes five matching points to make someone cream of the crop. The average is 0-1, above average is 1-2, gifted is 2-3, excellent is 4 and prodigy is 5. This applies pretty evenly across the board(as in, it applies pretty evenly across characters from the same series and from different series), and I do agree that unicorns aren't the master race, especially when the argument in question is "But if they tried/put their mind to it they could." Because not everyone has that kind of dedication or willpower or desire. Whether or not someone is willing to put in the work is a fundamental part of the equation. Lets imagine the five points for the sake of example are 1. The body has to be up to the task(you have to physically be able to handle it, healthy enough). 2. The mind has to be up to the task(you have to have the ambition and dedication). 3. You have to have the capacity to have the power(like other traits, there's some malleability but most peoples pool to draw from is relatively fixed). 4. You have to have the mental flexibility and creativity to make the most of it(You don't get to the top by thinking inside the box, look for unique ways to apply your abilities to give you a leg up). 5. Your environment has to be conducive to learning/getting stronger(supportive people, resources to reference etc). A lot of people don't mind coasting through life, and that's fine but saying unicorns are the master race because they all have untapped potential is like saying every human has the potential to be Albert Einstein or Usain Bolt if we just try hard enough- it's both fundamentally untrue and even if it were, it wouldn't be the case because not everyone has the desire to be like that. Even saying that everyone has the capacity to be a doctor or bodybuilder isn't true. Most characters are just average, just like most people.
I'd argue that even if most unicorns will never reach the level of Twilight or Starlight (who are probably the best Albert Einstein/Usain Bolt equivalent in MLP, at least when talking about Unicorns) The fact that they can attempt it in the first place, and still possibly succeed isn't something to scoff at. The sheer potential of unicorns, even if they never necessarily reach that potential, still far outstrips that of the other two pony races. Plus, even at there most basic, all Unicorns seem capable of at least telekinesis, that alone is still incredibly powerful, especially if you go out of your way to train the ability. What's an earth pony going to do when a unicorn can just grab their hoof, or potentially grab their entire body, and drag them around the place like a ragdoll? What's a pegasus going to do when a unicorn waits for just the right moment to grab their wings in a telekinetic grip, and then *crumple* it. Tl;dr, they're so versatile that even if they might not possess raw power on average, it really doesn't matter in the face of all of the things that they can do, even on *average.* All they would need to do is apply themselves. (Plus, spellbooks do canonically exist, there has to be at least one spell that the average pony could probably learn that's low effort. Even that alone would still put them leagues above their counterparts, simply because they can do it in the first place.
This is one of the reasons why Glimmy is best pony. If you have enough info, I would like to see a comparison of power between the top Unicorns and the Alicorns.
The thing that bothers me with people saying that op unicorns are the exception and not the rule is that they’re are no other earth or Pegasus ponies that can reach the same level of power as a unicorn, even though most unicorns have a limited set of magic the ones that excel in magic are clearly superior over any other pony race, so the unicorns are the ones with the most potential for powerful magic as there is no Pegasus or earth pony that can reach the same power as a powerful unicorn
rarity's teir feels like how we might think of a high school or bachelors graduate. common & capable. rarity seems like the higher end of that since she does cool & strong things, though not super obviously. id want another 1 of these teirs 4 earth ponies cuz they still dont seem as obviously powerful. applejack's strong & pinkies family can break rock. but is that as common & useful as unicorn or pegasus magic (from g4)? i cant remember earth ponies harnessing what makes earth ponies impressive except when its associated with their cutie mark.
Even after your explanation, I think you place Rarity too low. Trixie may have gone to CSGU, but that isn’t everything. Rarity would not *want* to go to a magic school even if she had more raw power than anypony else; magic school is not where her interests lie. Rarity is not as strong as Twilight, but multiple levitation is not anywhere near the extreme of her abilities we see in the show. She has extremely powerful weather control too, for example.
Unrelated but i think cadence was a Pegasus that became an alicorn why well because her wings being two tones and the reason i know this happens too Pegasus id because of cozy glow when she uses the power in grogars bell she becomes an alicorn with you guessed it two toned wings
How long till the Unicorns from the G5 universe like Izzy and Misty would measure up to the ones from G4 with how much they understand their Unicorn magic?
Oh the G5 ones are already there, Izzy has been shown to self levitate in an early tell your tale episode and Misty can use high level transformation magic with very little training
How powerful was Twilight Sparkle as a Unicorn before she became an Alicorn? Are Trixie, Starlight and Sunburst the only ones who could measure up to her?
I think that the scale works well. But where would Tempest Shadow fall on it? If her horn hadn't been broken might she have been a candidate for Celestia's school?
Im not sure since she has never shown us what she can do with a full horn, but if her powers are anything to go by, she seems to have incredible potential, even if its just destructive, high level 3 I would say
Good video if the only spell you need levitation they can hold any pony in place and you are thinking about every creature ability increase their abilities when someone gets angry enough or they need to do something right now they can get a boost and their abilities it doesn't last long I'm not trying to fight anyone by saying this my brain is logical if there is an error I have to fix it
I think if you make a pyramid for each race it will be similar in level where the mass is just normal ability to the top being the rare but few it only makes since with the excepting of alicorn. The are alicorns for a reason. I think the number of alicorns is equal to the combined power of it citizens. More citizens and power the more alicons are needed to govern. This ofcouse is celestia's plan just like all the time we thought she was weak was just to grow twilight. She has already seen these thing with her future sight just like how many alicorns she needs to govern and keep the peace. As soon as she retire and the balance is thrown off the world collapses into the evens that take us into G5 but that's all outside the scope of this subject.
@@AlejandroGonzalez-ej4lp Of course learning and studies are part of it, but Sunburst is the perfect example of magical potential being a thing and people having limits, just like irl
@@AlejandroGonzalez-ej4lp she did learn a lot before she became a village leader I think she already mention it it's either from s5 ep1 or s5 final episode I think
this may be an unpopular take but i believe on an average pony scale, earth ponies are the strongest and most powerful, mainly to do with their connection to the earth and required raw talent with no wings or horns to help them. in ways, theyre basically forced to be more physically capable than most other ponies
That would be correct if you are only talking about physical power, they are physically the strongest by far, but the other species have their advantages as well. Most scalings just value the agility of flight or the versatility of magic more
@@doc_anubis i think people tend to underestimate earth ponies, and over estimate unicorns. i think an average earth ponies ability to fight and protect themselves is much better than an average unicorn who cant do much magic past what they can do with their cutie mark! typically, id say unicorns are more vulnerable to danger. id go into where pegasi fit into my personal beliefs on the pony "race hierarchy" but lets be real, id be here for hours... most scalings value agility of flight and magic a little too much, and not value raw strength enough imo. because realistically speaking, most pegasi arent amazing flyers, and most unicorns dont excel in magic
I wrote a whole response to your first comment and when I wanted to send it, you had deleted it smh, so now I have to rewrite it all Yeah the unicorn point is one I made this video for, they are highly overrated, but having earth ponies as the suggested high ones is unusual, I usually see more the pegasi, but the points you made in the other comment for earth ponies make sense with their overall better general training, but I do find it hard to scale pegasi and earth ponies feat wise, so I wouldnt be too sure which of them would actually be higher on average, because pegasi also have a lot of flight training considering they do it daily And dont worry about talking about it too much, I literally made this video to talk about it lmao
I personally feel the abilitys of a Pegasus is under-rated, they ban manipulate nature and weather pretty casualty. sure magic can do that well but a lot of time when tampering with nature and magic it tends to backfire for unicorns. not to mention some Pegasus use there wings like hands i feel is small but impressive
@@doc_anubis That is if that comic's still considered canon. The Umbrum introduce so many plot holes with the way Sombra's portrayed in the show that I more or less disregard them personally.
@@Flufux I consider them canon, its more fun that way, and the plotholes you mention usually have a pretty decent explanation, and even for the hard to believe things I have my crack theories lmao, but yeah, Im the comic pony, its kind of a given
I personally think Starlight's power is slightly overrated, tbh. The the main comment on the video is, it's definitely at the very least implied if not outright confirmed that Starswirl is stronger than Both Starlight and Alicorn Twilight. The pony of shadows comments on how Alicorn Twilight is "almost as strong as Starswirl". It took a combined effort of Twilight and Starlight to even slightly subdue the Pony of Shadows, while Starswirl seems to struggle less. Furthermore, It's seen as a massive achievement to even alter one of Star swirls Spells. The only unicorns capable of doing it are Twilight and Starlight. And Starlight states she was only able to do it because "Starswirl had already done the hard part"
i love how the enitre fandom just forgot about the wizard guy who made 200 spell shaped the unicorns spell knowledge LOL for my opinion starlight wasnt the strongest unicorn she always use the emotion/ boost her attack i never saw starlight did an attack without any emotion Twilight never even showed her true alicorn power as well. context all i know is that starlight is below to twilight and starswirl is either above twilight or equal to twilight if we do knowledge starswirl is the superior from all unicorn starswirl himself might be superior in raw power if think about it. but yet the show never made it and all we know just our own theory but hey that unicorn can make spell that are impossible possible like ease. talk about knowledge on magic, not just reading but also making...
Magic and emotions are heavily tied together, they go hand in hand, if you want a strong spell, you need to use emotions, Starswirl just had better control over his output of emotion than Starlight, who relied heavily on raw power
@@doc_anubis i never saw starlight did an attack without any emotion sadly. all i can in the show is that all her strong attack came from very very heavy emotion just like one time when discord annoyed her she just got so mad/pissed its like a baby unicorn blast
@@doc_anubis i mean during the time when she par with twilight she was also fulled by anger make sense her raw power would reach out of limit even much so we never saw twilight get much anger only once whe she casted a heavy move stop spell to the apple famility thing forgot the episode
@@doc_anubis and much so even starswirl is somehow equal to twilight in raw power - already proven by the pony of shadow. twilight is both unicorn and alicorn traits becouse of that she might even be superior on raw power than fully powered starlight, out of limit if she is fulled with anger and for some reason starswirl is = to twilight or might even be stronger than twilight shouted by the pony of shadow
@@doc_anubis if we will talk about raw power for me i think twilight would be top since of the traits she had and second for me would be starswirl he might not showed anything in the series but all we know is that he might be much superior to twilight or just equal to twilight and lastly starlight without any emotion she would not even reach any top for me.
Putting starlight over twilight is crazy Twilight was a unicorn for basically a short amount of time judging from her age before she became an alicorn conpared to starlight, im sure If she stayed a unicorn and grew up to be the same age as starlight she wouldve had the same power and sbilities if not more than starlight No denying that starlight is quite powerful but so is unicorn twilight, she also turned back time, defied the laws of gravity, casted love spells and even as a filly casted age spells (when she got her cutie mark) and all of these things alicorn could do too so twilight would've been able to keep up with an alicorn as well. Twilight as a unicorn had huge unspoken power but as she grew up she maintained it more but didnt know how to use it to its potential
@@doc_anubis solo me sorprendio, como hispano los acentos me cuestan muchoo y la vd no esperaba respuesta XD, por lo demas realmente estoy de acuerdo con lo que planteas, ojala haber visto a Star Swirl en su mejor epoca
@@uwu7963 I can barely understand what you say tbh, I dont know spanish, Im combining my french and google translate to understand, but what Im gathering is that my accent is hard to understand lmao
@@doc_anubis I can understand some words if I listen to hard enough but there’s like some other parts where I can’t make out anything and it’s just blabber
Well, sorry, it works out fine for most and I dont really know why its so much harder for you, especially cause you havent really specified what the problem is, but what I can offer you is that I can send you the script if you DM me on Discord, I do that on request cause Im aware that I talk fast
I hate this way of thinking. It gives off "Yes, i want to have a controversional opinion just for the sake of it" even if most unicorns use mostly levitation on daily basis then its still AN INCREDIBLE skill and also we dont know if they dont use more spells off screen and they could DEFINITELY learn more if they wanted to....like i dont think y'all realize how much helpful levitation is when you have hooves instead of hands...why you try so hard to be controversional and make unicorns appear weaker when theyre clearly the strongest race? Like yeah not everyone is the same and unicorns are capeable of unimaginable things that neither pegasi nor earth ponies can
And I dont think you realize the power the pegasi hold with their flight. Nobody ever said the unicorns are weak, just that they are weaker than the fandom overall thinks
I didnt forget about King Sombra, he isnt a unicorn, he is an Umbrum, so outside of this spectrum, and Shining Armor just didnt happen to be one of the examples I chose, I just picked a few to show the system of the scale
Of all the thumbnails you've made, this must be the fastest one.
After all, I was driving 180km/h while you were editing it in my passenger's seat 😏
You might have forgotten about Rarity throwing a huge boulder, and using a magic shield in the Ending of the End.
She’s more capable than she seems
And did lasers, illusionary/fashion show spells, was able to fix a wheel and levitate multiple objects. And can light her horn.
I also think that he underestimates Rarity by a lot. The way he describes her was probably true before she met Twilight. But after hanging out with Twilight so many times, I do believe that she learned more then she ever could do before, as you both mentioned just what she was capable of as the show went on.
True could say the same for sweetie Belle who was able to make a shield
@@zeph6736sweetie may not be able to levitate herself but she did levitate pipsqueak so there is definitely potential.
@@zeph6736and when Sweetie was turned into adult, she actually managed to teleport not only herself, but two other ponies which is amazing!
Unicorns are still the master race because they’ll always be above other ponies with the same talent. For example, with magic by their side, they’ll always be better chefs, doctors, artists, designers, etc. We can see this with Rarity: she may not use her magic for everything since her talent is not about magic, but her magic skills are all related to fashion and help her in ways that would be harder for an earth pony or a Pegasus with the same talent. The advantage of having magic allows unicorns to perform tasks more efficiently and with greater precision, giving them a significant edge in various professions and creative pursuits.
I think every unicorn can learn the more complicated spells but it just takes a lot of time and practice. The ones who are willing to do so can suceed in performing more complicated spells. They just need to be patient.
And based on cutie mark for some reason
I can almost imagine an alternate timeline where if Starlight was chosen to go into Celestia’s school instead of Sunburst, she probably would have been competing with twilight for the role of Celestia’s personal student and could probably surpass Twilight in a way. Just something to think about.😅
Or universe where Sunset Shimmer did not go to other world and is Twilights rival.
Someone needs to write a fanfic or au story about that! In facf i think someone already actually did but i forgot the title but it's a pretty recent fanfic on fim fiction. Starlight might still become evil because of being forced to leave Sunburst and because of all tbe pressure put on her at magic school so she might of ended up dropping out or something but also maybe all the competition and purpose might keep her from becoming evil for a while. Especially if she could become celestias apprentice or was able to find friends with more similar interests and maybe personalities. But obviously she had trouble learning magic so she might of ended up dropping out for other more Sunburst like reasons. Nevermind I forgot the fanfic wasn't about that exact concept. It was about starlight going to school with Sunburst. But if you are still interested it's called without her mark. There's also a fanfic called blooming days which is kind of about that concept.
@@PandazillaaaDo you know the author name?
Twilight was meant to be Celestia's star student from the minute she got her cutie mark, the elements of harmony. It's a built in "chosen one" reminder tattooed on her butt. Maybe Starlight could still hate cutie marks though, because one took her away from her friend and one stopped her from achieving something that should have been rightfully hers.
@@whyology. True but it’s just a fun what if situation. It’s not meant to be serious.
Rarity has demonstrated that she actually has a great deal of power. When she had Rainbow Dash's cutie mark she was able to manipulate weather on a massive scale. That demonstrates she has inmense power, even if she doesn't have the training to utilize that power.
Technically she was just moving around a large amount clouds. Which because they are made of mist I would assume would be lighter in height compared to her normal fabrics and scissors.
It’s actually the clouds itself that contain the weather. Rarity is just manipulating the clouds which in turn “manipulates” the weather.
@@oliviafrankie5869 Um, think you might want to google "How much does a cloud weigh". Spoiler, they weigh a lot.
@@oliviafrankie5869 You do realize how much a cloud weighs, don't you? Go google what a storm cloud weighs,.
@@oliviafrankie5869 clouds normally weigh 1.1 million lbs (498951.607 kg) but an entire roll of fabric is 55 lbs (25 kg)
I don't think it really counts, she was under the influence of Rainbow Dash's cutemark, whose the strongest pegasus pony outhere. It would make sense she'd get the ability to controll the wether but just not be any good at it.
Despite this I do agree that Rarity is above avrage, in the S9 finale she showed pretty impressive spells she hasn't performed at all in the rest of the series. Aldough she could probably perform them more consistently with more practice it's still clear that unlike Twilight that's not where her real talent is.
Snails, Twilight, and pumpkin cake are all able to levitate themselves. Plus a few others that I can't name off the top of my head
Also Trixie in the beginning of 'The Road to Friendship'.
Starlight: Pathetic. I used the self-levitation spell *while* fighting and being on par with Twilight.
@@jamesies_wistius2010lol
@@jamesies_wistius2010 she was fulled with anger that time uf we compare an unemotioned starlight she would not even par with twilight magic raw power is based on the user emotion the more emotion the user had the powerful the attack just like baby unicorn and alicorn they can do a massive attack
Also, Twilight and Starlight teleports as they breathe, but in the Finale, when the Triad attacked, Rarity was able to perform a teleportation and you could see the toll it took on her ! This was a spur of the moment real flex, as she probably absorbed the knowledge to do it hanging out with Twilight and just put everything she had to perform it just this once.
In fact, you can also seee how proud and surprised she was to have pulled it off !
4:52 I'm just going to point out that Twilight Velvet levitates herself in Once Upon a Zeppelin. And Twilight Sparkle does so in The Crystal Empire as well.
As for the pegasi, they literally already have a power scale in canon. It's part of their Spartan social psychology that has been explored in so many fan works. "I'll never crack your clique because I don't go mach 5".
Starswirl also levitates in s9e2
What are the timestamps for Twilight's self-levitation in The Crystal Empire, and for Twilight Velvet in Once Upon a Zeppelin if you don't mind me asking?
Edit: nvm on The Crystal Empire one, I've found it. It's 8:46, The Crystal Empire (Part 2) I also found the scene in Once Upon a Zeppelin, the timestamp for it is around 20:59 if anyone is curious.
I think Unicorns should just be grouped into 3 catagories.
Normal- this is the average joe pony that I assume make up over 90 percent of the entire unicorn population who know little more than basic levitation.
Specialized- these ponies excel in only one or a few catagories of magic. Examples include Rarity and her gem locating spells or Shining Armor and his shield spells.
Gifted- These are the unicorns that actively practice their magic and as a result are really versatile in their magic. Examples include Twilight, Sunset, Starlight, and Starswirl. These are the fewest in number and you really have to commit to become this catagory.
Honestly, Unicorns are at their weakest mostly due to a lack of interest. As Doc Anubis said, Rarity has fine control over her magic and impressive abilities gifted to her by her cutie mark. However, because of her general lack of interest in magic, she's still "Weak." In comparison to ponies like Trixie, or Sunburst.
Yet, I believe that is what sets Unicorns apart from all of the races. This *exact* detail is what makes them the "Master Race." Every single one of them has the potential to go beyond themselves if they want to. Every single one of them could potentially learn transfiguration, growth spells, age spells, etc.
Maybe they won't ever be Twilight Sparkle levels, but they'll be a close second. Imagine for just a second an army of Starlight Glimmers in a sense. Would they be weaker than Starlight herself? Sure, but in direct competition with the other races, that's still leagues above them.
And unlike the other races, Unicorns are not hampered by physicality. By flesh. A Unicorn grows more powerful the more they learn, a unicorn gets stronger with every book read, every spell reimagined, and in practically every creative endeavor.
Pegasi's main strength is their speed, and while impressive, there are many things a *peak* average unicorn could do to counter a pegasi's speed. They could transfigure them or a part of their body, wait for the right moment to grab their wings with telekinesis, teleport out of their strikes, lightning bolts, etc.
The same applies to earth ponies, but for them, it is even worse as they need kinetic energy to fuel their attacks. A unicorn can easily rip away the chance of attack defense or counterattack from an earth pony by casting telekinesis and lifting them in the air. (Not counting G5).
Tldr, if every Unicorn applied themselves, the large majority of them would be powerhouses, even outside of special cutie marks. Without a special cutie mark skill, you can still teleport things, use telekinesis, use transfiguration, possibly Sombra's Shadow Magic (Though I'm not sure how the average unicorn would ever learn this), and who knows what else.
Also, we do have a baseline for Starswirl somewhat. The Pony Of Shadows shouts out at Twilight "This one is almost as powerful as Starswirl!" This implies that Starswirl is not only more powerful than Twilight but also possibly more powerful than the other alicorns as well. Twilight is the one connected to the element of magic, and she does have a magical cutie mark giving her a boost in her power, and yet still Starswirl, a regular old, emphasis on old, unicorn can match her, if not succeed her in terms of power.
I wonder what Starswirl did to get so strong.
By the way, aren't the cake babies able to self-levitate too? Also, Trixie was able to briefly self-levitate in this episode th-cam.com/video/WIio5aAyQRI/w-d-xo.html
So rather than it being ultimate proof of Starlight's skill, it might just be something unicorns don't do often. Or maybe most unicorns don't know about it, because, if Trixie of all ponies can do it, then anypony around her level should be able to do it as well.
While you have a few good points, I think you overestimate the potential of the average unicorn. Yes sure they can reach a lot in their area of interest, but there is still a cap to their power due to the lack of potential for many
Take Sunburst, he is talented, but his potential for magic is low, despite having worked as hard, if not harder than everyone else
@@doc_anubis See, that's something I have trouble confirming with such certainty.
How can we be sure that Sunburst's weakness is not due to his own personal failings? He *is* a flunkie after all, and had zero confidence in himself until he finally proved his own worth when he saved the Crystal Empire.
Is it really fair to use him as a baseline for the average unicorn's projected abilities, when he has so many personal faults that directly affect his own ability to perform?
To sum up my feelings on the matter, while I might agree that they aren't immediately overpowered, in terms of scale, and in terms of potential, they are *very* over powered. Unicorns simply do more than pegasi or earth ponies can do.
@Serpentine8184 everyone has personal faults, and if his knowledge is anything to go by, I would find it hard to believe if he didn't study and bust his ass to try his best, yet he still didn't succeed
And even if his personal faults were the only reason, those are exactly the things that limit said magic potential
@@doc_anubis True enough I suppose. I just wonder if his personal failings are the general limit to magical potential, or if they are Sunburst's personal limits, his personal failings, that held him back specifically.
I see your point. I just doubt that on a *general* scale, most unicorns hold the self-doubt that Sunburst seems to hold for himself. At least not self doubt as extreme as Sunburst's.
@@Serpentine8184 but Sunburst literally says he couldn't do any of the spells no matter how hard he tried.
Yea they explained in the beginning of Boast busters that most unicorns only know one spell based on cutiemark, I assume that slightly changed by the end of the end of the show though.
Pumpkin cake was I think the first unicorn to levitate themself with magic.
About Starlight's self levitation..
Twilight self levitated twice as a unicorn, one where she stopped her fall in the return of the crystal empire and two when she levitated herself and her friends into the air in season 3 magical mystery cure.
Starswirl could also self levitate.
An interesting aspect is that sweetie Belle of all ponies could actually be considered above rarity, and maybe even somewhat above Trixie. She’s been shown to be able to do a shield spell, although as a filly it was a little weak, was able to levitate another pony, and then when she was older in that one episode actually managed to teleport herself and two other ponies out of harms way
I agree Starlight is the superior, far superior than Star swirl, because for one thing, Starswril was only able to do time travel for a short period of time, while Starlight is way up to his league, Star swirl focuses on raw power, Starlight tend to focus on the complexity, which if more dangerous
Starlight was only able to go through time thanks to her using a scroll that *Starswirl made.* All she did was alter it, she is nowhere near his level.
Also, Starswirl was the creator of a great deal of spells in Equestria. Two-hundred if I remember correctly, there is no way he's primarily focused on *only* raw power (He also taught the princesses, plus he was the creator of the Equestria Girls portal, he is far beyond most if not all unicorns honestly.)
@@Serpentine8184 I know most of her spells comes from him, but what if he didn't made those spells? She probably could've make those (it's like saying if Hamphry Davy didn't make a light bulb, we have no lights now... No, if he didn't make it at that time, for sure someone else could've still created a light bulb, it's like Starlight), you only saying Starswril is the the strongest because he is the primary source of spells, but look dipper, if Starlight is in that time, she could've just teleported back in time and stop like Sirens from finding that amulet, or stop lord Tirek from ever coming on the Equestria. 😄
@@redrose9330 Starswirl did make those spells. He's directly mentioned as having made the spells.
I think he's the only pony to date to ever be credited with making any kind of time-traveling spells, it seems to be his particular area of expertise.
@@Serpentine8184 you didn't get the psychology I said in case of inventing, but nvm
@@redrose9330I think I understand what you're trying to imply. You're saying that they have similar capabilities(Even though you do outright call Starlight superior to Starswirl, which seemingly just isn't true.) I just don't think that the implications you're making are accurate.
I've always thought it was interesting that Rarity is actually quite good at magic... when it comes to fashion. Like, think of the precision and dexterity it must take to do what she does! And I like the implication that her magic is stronger in that area partly because it's something she loves and puts a lot of passion and effort in. For me, magic is similar to athletic or musical ability. Some are more naturally inclined in those areas, but it takes time and practice to nurture that. Pegasus flight might be similar. I guess you can say if you agree in a pegasus video if you decide to make one. 🙈
trixie was able to learn transmutation and teleportation very quickly even tho she was only half listening to starlight.
@4:56 Twilight’s mother was able levitate & telekinetically hold her son & granddaughter during the blimp episode.
I don't agree with Rarity and Trixie.
Rarity was able to do magic that isn't only related to her talent, while Trixie couldn't.
We even have proof of that when Trixie couldn't do spell that changes something into a cup and starlight had to teach her. Trixie literally said that she can't do magic not related to her talent.
Also even if we take look at magic they use for work, Rarity uses much more spells.
About Celestia's school it's not fair to judge them just based on a fact that one of them was there and other didn't. It's possible for someone talented not to go there, like Starlight or for someone not that talented to be there but just not pass. Also it's not fair to judge them based on their achievements as kids.
it's not just gem finding and teleportation that rarity has, she can also mold random objects into whatever shape she desires
I know I'm just stating the obvious. But it's still a fact when I say that Unicorns may seem like the "master race" because they can use magic, But even the Unicorns have their share of flaws using magic doesn't make them perfect or better than anypony else. And it certainly doesn't mean that they can do anything and everything.
I mean, that is pretty much what this video is about lmao
@@doc_anubis Maybe so, But I still feel it's worth pointing out. For those in the fandom who think that Unicorns are still superior despite their flaws.
@TheCommenterDragon Star Strike made his fantastic video on the topic, and we'll try to show the fandom this more in the future
Finally, a My Little Pony power scaling video. I needed this.
I don't really think starlight glimmer is above twilight sparkle, but the rest is interesting
Starlight is the best unicorn she has so strong of magic that she was able to even switch the royal princess's cutie marks. She is one hell of a powerful unicorn.
A topic you could try to explain is that why didn’t earth ponies have plant magic before? In G4 they are well known for their strength and I suppose that’s still true in G5. Still I got to wonder why they didn’t have plant magic before? Please think about it.
I think there were one or two scenes where plants grew fast around applejack I think one was in the decorating the castle episode I haven't actually watched g4 in a while so I could be wrong
I mean, they are very clear about it being new magic, an evolution of magic
Rarity blocked kryslis's atack
And throw boulders
Trixie clearly does have a lot of magical potential because of how quickly she learned teleportation, even if it didn't go as planned. Her issue is her lack of concentration.
I think the power levels of ponies varies wild depending at how you look at them in groups. While, individually, a unicorn might seem way more powerful then then the others tribes, but when you look at it closer those who can actually do big magical feats, or are very knowledgeable about the use of magic, are pretty small with most unicorn only managing to do basic TK. Pegasis on the other hand can all control the weather in a rather large area or territory, only needing a few weather ponies to manage the local weather of Ponyville. But as a great we have seen them manage to do a tornado capable of emptying whole reservoirs of water to a very precise location and they didn't need all weather managing training team to do it, and were even understrength to the task. The Pegasis can create massive weather catastrophes, tornadoes, lightning strikes, hurricanes, typhoons, or create droughts or just make it rain constantly drowning crops, create mud slides, destabilizes building and other weather related crisis. If the Pegasis were to go to ware with another nation they don't even need to fight their foes directly, along with being usually out of range for most of them to even attack and can grind them down through attrition, by attacking their infrastructure and food, and only need a low number of weather ponies manage that. On an even larger scale the Earth Ponies are probably capable of doing even greater thing, with makes them the true power of the trifecta; and that is just ignoring what they can do in G5 with is absolutely OP. Unlike the other two the Earth Ponies have a link with the earth and nature, and can grow crops in very difficult arid lands and limited means This would means that they have a constant and extremally reliable crop harvesting system, supplemented by the Pegasis which allows them to sustain a very large population growth without any trouble and allows the unicorns the free time to study their magic and other creative pursuits or research/science or maintain a very larger army, or in this case pegasis. Having a reliable source of food to that degree is empire building levels, which way outstrips what just a few unicorn wizards could collectively do together and the pegasis would never manage to have grown in the number that they are now because they could never do any agriculture up in the clouds. And that's not even going into the Earth pony's magical strength and hardiness able to to live in difficult environment which allows them to settle there and still grow crops or to intensive heavy labor heavy for extended periods of times. Heck even in real like ponies are so hardy that can outlast horses, being ridden or for farm work, they are the pony equivalent fantasy dwarves compared to human, with less swearing and more colorful. And with the full trifecta of ponies work together Equestria id effectively an unrivaled economic power house out stripping other races in crop production, industry, and sheer numbers, can sell better quality food to it's neighbors, export their weather managing skills, and no one would want to tick them off, and you get incredible diplomatic and economic influence to almost everywhere that are normal beings that can't live off eating rocks(AKA dragons).
Are you going to do a video about best Pegasus from the G4 universe who aren't Wonderbolts I mean ponies like Fluttershy and Derpy?
I literally asked if you guys wanna see sth like that at the end of the vid
I think Twilight and Starlight are at the same level.
Yes, Starlight can levitate herself, however I haven't seen her levitate for a length amount of time. I imagine it must be very draining. (Twilight as well levitated a ginormous bear).
She had cast a few strong spells, however I have also seen Twilight do the same.
When Starlight was fighting Twilight, you could say that she was equally as powerful in this situation, however Twilight was unable to use her full capabilities due to her trying to not disturb the timeline.
I may have gotten a few things wrong, but I have gathered that Starlight and Twilight are at roughly the same level. :)
While she certainly comes close, I'd say she is not quite there. The levitating Starlight did was done over a very lebgthy period, basically most of the season 5 finale, yes its exhausting,. but Starlight has a very high energy pool to make up for it. And for Twilight levitating the bear, she was incredibly strained while, and drained after she was doing it, while Starlight seemed fine
@@doc_anubis True, but levitating a huge bear is vastly different compared to levitating a pony.
@@TwilghtSparkl3 And not just the bear either, she also levitated an entire water tower, lifted it through a barn, filled it with milk, and then proceeded to still carry the water tower and its cap through the air. Twilight's strength even as a *unicorn* is absurd.
However, we have seen Starlight try to lift something heavy with her telekinesis on the other hand. She could barely carry Sunburst's luggage.
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If I remember correctly, most unicorns only get magic related to their special talent and some basic levitation. Rarity probably can’t do non-gem related magic and Shining armor probably canon do non-protection magic. It is only unicorns with a talent in magic that can hone their skills further, like Twilight, Sunset, Starlight, Moon Dancer, Sun Burst, Trixie, Starswirl and and probably Luster Dawn.
A fun pattern I’ve noticed is that all unicorns with magic talents have space related names (Even Trixie, since her full name is Trixie Lulamoon).
@@eddie-roo This needs to be clarified. Just because some ponies have specific magical cutie marks, does not mean they can only perform that type of magic.
The biggest example of this is Sweetie Belle. There's a Reddit that goes into detail on just how much magical she seems to hold, all without a magical cutie mark. She can teleport in her adult form, and her filly form, she was seemingly able to use the same speed spell Starlight can use, Accelero.
It seems more likely that not having a cutie mark in magic specifically just means you might not have as easy a time learning new magical spells on the spot as Twilight or Starlight can, but that doesn't mean you had locked out of every spell besides the one your cutie mark is based around.
Plus, that objectively makes no sense anyway. For example, If Shining Armor's cutie mark was ONLY in shield magic, why even bother to get a generalized magical education? It'd be a waste of time when you can only perform one type of magic.
Also, what about the alicorns? Alicorndom doesn't seem to change your magic much besides giving you a power boost, and it doesn't change your cutie mark, and yet obviously the alicorns are capable of casting other spells besides their cutie mark-specific ones. For example, in the episode where Discord pretends to be. Cadence casts a spell around herself and Twilight to keep themselves from being infected.
One last thing... We don't know if Trixie has a cutie mark in magic. It's more likely that her cutie mark is magic tricks that exist differently from regular magic.
(There's a possibly non-canon comic that shows the origin of Trixie's cutie mark. And if it IS canon, it further shows that without a cutie mark in magic, you can still practice other spells with effort, practice, study, and training. It just won't come as naturally to you as it does powerhouses like Twilight or Starlight.)
Trixie Comic: imgur.com/a/trixies-cutie-mark-LbKVT
Sweetie Belle Reddit post: www.reddit.com/r/mylittlepony/comments/11yvnr3/sweetie_belle_is_actually_really_good_at_magic/
Starlight is below twilight
What I really do wonder is just how much more powerful Twilight actually got after becoming an alicorn. She was already one of the most powerful unicorns ever, and we've actually never seen her do things as an alicorn that would have been impossible for her to do as a unicorn. Well, at least until the time skip. I feel like it just took a lot of time for her alicorn magic to really take hold, which is why she probably wasn't all that more powerful as an alicorn than she was as a unicorn during most of the show. The only thing I'm sure about is that she wouldn't have been able to contain all the other alicorns' magic in Twilight's Kingdom if she wasn't an alicorn herself, so I guess being an alicorn does give her "limitless potential" in a way, but the actual power that comes with it only grows slowly.
yet only unicorns can acces that level of power even if they are only a few they can even emulate the other races powers
So far we have only one who has ever been able to emulate the flight of a Pegasus for example, and thats the one above the rest, the exception, and I doubt anyone else could reach that level
@@doc_anubis actually two twilight learned it from a book made by somepony, yet my point still stand among the three races the only ones that can reach that level are the unicorns, thats why celestia school is for unicorns and why the elite circle at least power wise will be mainly unicorns
Ok emulate flight was the wrong term, I was specifically talking about this self levitating Starlight was able to do, but I do see your point that there are ways around it
4:53 that’s not quite true! As far as I remember- that earth pony’s unicorn kid could levitate herself as well.
Eyup, but we have been made aware that babies in the world of MLP dont have much control over their powers, so I left that instance out. But yes, you are correct that Pumpkin Cake levitated herself, perhaps a show of her future prowess
I like this video a lot Doc. And I fully agree. Only a few unicorns are at the top. And if we also want to put tempest on the pyramid...it is tricky since she has no horn but her magic did a lot of damage when used. She is not a drop-out like Trixie but she is a soldier so I think we can make another section of unicorns, those who are soldiers in the Royal Guard or Tempest as the Storm Commander. Soldiers use magic in a combat way so not in a useful way like Rarity or a show way like Trixie
It kind of doesn't matter how many are on top because just like in real life we only care about those on top (in sports for example). And are alicorns balanced just because they are literally only 4 known (and 1 pseudo in G5)? Honestly i think this issue would not exist... if Starlight Glimmer was not existing. With Trixie vs Twilight we knew that Twilight is not that much better then Trixie (and magic duel proved that friendship is better then magic xd). Starlight vs Twilight on other hand.... this is when the show went full dragon ball power levels territory. And Twilight from season 5 would beat Trixie even with alicorn amulet.
You explained what Im talking about. The fandom only sees the exceptions, and thats what Im trying to change because that distorts the reality on a way too high level, hence the scale
@@doc_anubis I think without exceptions there would be no stories to tell ;-)
a few criticisms of the methodology of this video:
The visual used in this video is misleading and not exactly representative of the unicorn population. I'd also say the unicorns chosen to represent some of the tiers aren't exactly the best as many don't have concrete feats or comparisons to go off of. We can't make assumptions based on position.
The usage of Celestia's School for Gifted Unicorns as a metric tenuous at best. We simply don't have enough feats from those unicorns (excluding twilight) to accurately measure anything, or even any conclusive statements about them. Once again, we can't just make assumptions. I'd cut them out of the pyramid entirely, they only really serve as padding here and don't add anything useful.
Additionally, I'd argue attaining a position in the school is likely more based off studiousness, than inherent magical aptitude. Yes they probably have a higher baseline than average unicorns and have more knowledge, but basing off of IRL there are many people who are smart but don't have the best circumstances, or study as hard as others.
I'd also say dropping out of school is often less of a matter of skill and more of just compatibility and the right circumstances for school, we don't have any conclusive reason why trixie dropped out and can't assume she is just inherently weaker.
Actually, IMO Trixie is misrated in this pyramid, because of a certain feat: teleportation. We can establish that teleportation is an very difficult skill, S1 Twilight is Celestia's student and the element of magic and only manages to teleport when in extreme duress. Yes, Trixie was taught by Starlight, but she still shows aptitude.
Also self-levitation isn't an insane feat magically, Trixie did it. It's probably just difficult to figure out, or more energy consuming to keep up for extended periods of time.
Star Swirl? He's hard to rank. He's stated to be stronger than S8 Alicorn Twilight but his feats only include: 1. Making a shield, 2. Breaking some vines. Not insane. IMO I'd still put him above Starlight, given she and Twilight were dead even during S5 finale. That's the best I can do lol.
oops late to the video
Anyhow, I do think the missing part between the "Vinyl Scratch and Rarity" tiers and school of magic is just that not every unicorn shows interest in their magic beyond what was useful in their everyday life. Think of how Rarity was able to control the weather when her cutie mark was swapped, how her magic took her seemingly miles away just to find gemstones. Also think of how little we see of magic being used by background ponies. Any one of those unicorns could be a Starlight, training in secret or just being passed by for somepony else who's talents were obvious sooner, or decided that even with their talent for magic, their passions lay elsewhere. If Minuette has an hourglass cutie mark like Doctor Whooves who prefers science to magic, I'm sure plenty of non-magical cutie marks could hide something like magic proficiency behind "no they like flowers see?".
No interest means no practice, they may have the potential, but their power level does still fit the scale, their potential might not, but the place where they are does
I mostly agree with the list but not with Starlight being alone at the top in terms of magical ability. Starswirl is more powerful than Season 7 finale Twilight based on what Stygian said and even her power and Starlight's combined only temporarily held him back. Because of that I'd absolutely say Starswirl is above her or atleast equal as of Season 9. Even aside from Starswirl though, Sombra is possibly the strongest magic user in the entire series during Season 9 aside from Discord and I guess Twilight in the finale considering he was able to put all of ponyville (including Starlight) under his spell which not even Twilight could dispel without the elements. In addition he required literally the entire mane six essentially blasting him to dust for him to be defeated because of how far above Twilight he was at the time.
Imo the top 3 at the end of the series (if you dont include Twilight since she isnt technically a unicorn anymore) would be:
1. Sombra
2. Starswirl
3. Starlight
and I won't say all unicorns are necessarily better than the other 2 types of ponies but I think its pretty telling that the strongest ponies in the series are all either unicorns or alicorns. Just the fact that they have a way higher upper bound than pegasi and earth ponies already means calling unicorns the master race or some shit like that is a completely valid statement
I also wouldnt include Sombra, the comics show him as an Umbrum, a shadow pony, but I know many dont count the comics, so fair. Many people have been pointng out the starswirl thing that I forgot about, I would porobably keep him and Starlight in the highest level and just have him at the top and her at the bottom of it, cause I wouldnt want even more levels, we have enough lmao
@@doc_anubis I can see it but that comic storyline is one of the few which has been explicitly contradicted by the show which, for all intents and purposes, just calls him a unicorn. Also yeah I get what you mean and since a lot of the high tiers are pretty close in power to the point of it being highly opinion based too then its hard to pick just one strongest which everyone can agree on
@@Vanilla-Suite Actually, I do have a theory on how that story could still fit into the canon, should release two weeks from the release of this video, most things that contradict the show in the comics can be explained away pretty easily, and while this isnt an easy one, its a fun and far fetched one that I 100% believe for my own sake cause thats more fun, so I'll stick to Umbrum, I like them too much that way not to do that, I do understand why many dont though and I wont blame anyone for it
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I personally have a theory that all power systems work on a multiple point scale and when all points line up, you have a prodigy. There are innate factors, environmental factors, personality factors, and honestly just some luck factors. Probably more, but I'm just trying to paint a broad picture for this idea. For the sake of argument, lets say it takes five matching points to make someone cream of the crop. The average is 0-1, above average is 1-2, gifted is 2-3, excellent is 4 and prodigy is 5. This applies pretty evenly across the board(as in, it applies pretty evenly across characters from the same series and from different series), and I do agree that unicorns aren't the master race, especially when the argument in question is "But if they tried/put their mind to it they could." Because not everyone has that kind of dedication or willpower or desire. Whether or not someone is willing to put in the work is a fundamental part of the equation. Lets imagine the five points for the sake of example are 1. The body has to be up to the task(you have to physically be able to handle it, healthy enough). 2. The mind has to be up to the task(you have to have the ambition and dedication). 3. You have to have the capacity to have the power(like other traits, there's some malleability but most peoples pool to draw from is relatively fixed). 4. You have to have the mental flexibility and creativity to make the most of it(You don't get to the top by thinking inside the box, look for unique ways to apply your abilities to give you a leg up). 5. Your environment has to be conducive to learning/getting stronger(supportive people, resources to reference etc). A lot of people don't mind coasting through life, and that's fine but saying unicorns are the master race because they all have untapped potential is like saying every human has the potential to be Albert Einstein or Usain Bolt if we just try hard enough- it's both fundamentally untrue and even if it were, it wouldn't be the case because not everyone has the desire to be like that. Even saying that everyone has the capacity to be a doctor or bodybuilder isn't true. Most characters are just average, just like most people.
I'd argue that even if most unicorns will never reach the level of Twilight or Starlight (who are probably the best Albert Einstein/Usain Bolt equivalent in MLP, at least when talking about Unicorns) The fact that they can attempt it in the first place, and still possibly succeed isn't something to scoff at.
The sheer potential of unicorns, even if they never necessarily reach that potential, still far outstrips that of the other two pony races. Plus, even at there most basic, all Unicorns seem capable of at least telekinesis, that alone is still incredibly powerful, especially if you go out of your way to train the ability.
What's an earth pony going to do when a unicorn can just grab their hoof, or potentially grab their entire body, and drag them around the place like a ragdoll? What's a pegasus going to do when a unicorn waits for just the right moment to grab their wings in a telekinetic grip, and then *crumple* it.
Tl;dr, they're so versatile that even if they might not possess raw power on average, it really doesn't matter in the face of all of the things that they can do, even on *average.* All they would need to do is apply themselves. (Plus, spellbooks do canonically exist, there has to be at least one spell that the average pony could probably learn that's low effort. Even that alone would still put them leagues above their counterparts, simply because they can do it in the first place.
This is one of the reasons why Glimmy is best pony.
If you have enough info, I would like to see a comparison of power between the top Unicorns and the Alicorns.
I love hyper specific intricate my little pony videos
The thing that bothers me with people saying that op unicorns are the exception and not the rule is that they’re are no other earth or Pegasus ponies that can reach the same level of power as a unicorn, even though most unicorns have a limited set of magic the ones that excel in magic are clearly superior over any other pony race, so the unicorns are the ones with the most potential for powerful magic as there is no Pegasus or earth pony that can reach the same power as a powerful unicorn
This may be off topic but suprisingly the afton amalgamation from the fnaf books is universal
PLEASE do more!! I would love to see pegasi
rarity's teir feels like how we might think of a high school or bachelors graduate. common & capable. rarity seems like the higher end of that since she does cool & strong things, though not super obviously.
id want another 1 of these teirs 4 earth ponies cuz they still dont seem as obviously powerful. applejack's strong & pinkies family can break rock. but is that as common & useful as unicorn or pegasus magic (from g4)? i cant remember earth ponies harnessing what makes earth ponies impressive except when its associated with their cutie mark.
6:35 earth pony supremacy!!!
Shut up Frostie
Without earth pony,than who gonna give unicorn and pegasi food?
sweetie belle could teleport, create shields, levitate, transform people and shes a kid. unicorns are very obviously op.
78th like Germen boy.
*German, but yeah, I am German, so leaning into it actually worked lmao
Even after your explanation, I think you place Rarity too low. Trixie may have gone to CSGU, but that isn’t everything. Rarity would not *want* to go to a magic school even if she had more raw power than anypony else; magic school is not where her interests lie.
Rarity is not as strong as Twilight, but multiple levitation is not anywhere near the extreme of her abilities we see in the show. She has extremely powerful weather control too, for example.
Unrelated but i think cadence was a Pegasus that became an alicorn why well because her wings being two tones and the reason i know this happens too Pegasus id because of cozy glow when she uses the power in grogars bell she becomes an alicorn with you guessed it two toned wings
We have that confirmed, we know she was a Pegasus before ascending
How long till the Unicorns from the G5 universe like Izzy and Misty would measure up to the ones from G4 with how much they understand their Unicorn magic?
Oh the G5 ones are already there, Izzy has been shown to self levitate in an early tell your tale episode and Misty can use high level transformation magic with very little training
How powerful was Twilight Sparkle as a Unicorn before she became an Alicorn? Are Trixie, Starlight and Sunburst the only ones who could measure up to her?
I have literally talked about all of that in the video, I placed two of those on zhe example scale
Yes, do the scale with the other tribes.
I think that the scale works well. But where would Tempest Shadow fall on it? If her horn hadn't been broken might she have been a candidate for Celestia's school?
Im not sure since she has never shown us what she can do with a full horn, but if her powers are anything to go by, she seems to have incredible potential, even if its just destructive, high level 3 I would say
Good video if the only spell you need levitation they can hold any pony in place and you are thinking about every creature ability increase their abilities when someone gets angry enough or they need to do something right now they can get a boost and their abilities it doesn't last long I'm not trying to fight anyone by saying this my brain is logical if there is an error I have to fix it
I think if you make a pyramid for each race it will be similar in level where the mass is just normal ability to the top being the rare but few it only makes since with the excepting of alicorn. The are alicorns for a reason. I think the number of alicorns is equal to the combined power of it citizens. More citizens and power the more alicons are needed to govern. This ofcouse is celestia's plan just like all the time we thought she was weak was just to grow twilight. She has already seen these thing with her future sight just like how many alicorns she needs to govern and keep the peace. As soon as she retire and the balance is thrown off the world collapses into the evens that take us into G5 but that's all outside the scope of this subject.
What we need a earth pony like Rock Lee style character to be just as powerful as a Twilight all powered up 😂
Necesary video.
Yeah I thought it would fit to try to establish a scale like this and will refer back to it whenever I discuss unicorn powers
@@doc_anubis Tired people said learning and studies = magic power.
@@AlejandroGonzalez-ej4lp Of course learning and studies are part of it, but Sunburst is the perfect example of magical potential being a thing and people having limits, just like irl
@@doc_anubis never stablished studies are part of magic power, starlight never go to magic school or got special training.
@@AlejandroGonzalez-ej4lp she did learn a lot before she became a village leader
I think she already mention it it's either from s5 ep1 or s5 final episode
I think
this may be an unpopular take but i believe on an average pony scale, earth ponies are the strongest and most powerful, mainly to do with their connection to the earth and required raw talent with no wings or horns to help them. in ways, theyre basically forced to be more physically capable than most other ponies
That would be correct if you are only talking about physical power, they are physically the strongest by far, but the other species have their advantages as well. Most scalings just value the agility of flight or the versatility of magic more
@@doc_anubis i think people tend to underestimate earth ponies, and over estimate unicorns. i think an average earth ponies ability to fight and protect themselves is much better than an average unicorn who cant do much magic past what they can do with their cutie mark! typically, id say unicorns are more vulnerable to danger. id go into where pegasi fit into my personal beliefs on the pony "race hierarchy" but lets be real, id be here for hours... most scalings value agility of flight and magic a little too much, and not value raw strength enough imo. because realistically speaking, most pegasi arent amazing flyers, and most unicorns dont excel in magic
I wrote a whole response to your first comment and when I wanted to send it, you had deleted it smh, so now I have to rewrite it all
Yeah the unicorn point is one I made this video for, they are highly overrated, but having earth ponies as the suggested high ones is unusual, I usually see more the pegasi, but the points you made in the other comment for earth ponies make sense with their overall better general training, but I do find it hard to scale pegasi and earth ponies feat wise, so I wouldnt be too sure which of them would actually be higher on average, because pegasi also have a lot of flight training considering they do it daily
And dont worry about talking about it too much, I literally made this video to talk about it lmao
I personally feel the abilitys of a Pegasus is under-rated, they ban manipulate nature and weather pretty casualty. sure magic can do that well but a lot of time when tampering with nature and magic it tends to backfire for unicorns.
not to mention some Pegasus use there wings like hands i feel is small but impressive
Trixie in the mobile game defeated Discord, Cosmos and Chrysalis back to back and has Tirek’s powers. Why is she not at the top??
4:55 WRONG!
Starswirl can in the beginning of 9 season
Do you have a timestmap for this?
@Serpentine8184
this is when Starswirl destroyed the vines
@@bowser3017 I've found it. You were right, It's in MLP FIM Season 9 Episode 2 - The Beginning of the End (Part 2) at around 9:07, nice catch.
How powerful is sphinx magic
So...how does King Sombra compare?
He isnt a unicorn, so he doesnt quite fit in the scale
@@doc_anubis He's a pony who casts magic with his horn, so what else would that make him?
@@Flufux He is an Umbrum, a species of shadow ponies introduced in the comics, I made a video on his backstory not long ago if you wanna find out more
@@doc_anubis That is if that comic's still considered canon. The Umbrum introduce so many plot holes with the way Sombra's portrayed in the show that I more or less disregard them personally.
@@Flufux I consider them canon, its more fun that way, and the plotholes you mention usually have a pretty decent explanation, and even for the hard to believe things I have my crack theories lmao, but yeah, Im the comic pony, its kind of a given
Yes please do the other pony tribes.
People who don't know the lore behind this video: 😊
People who know the lore behind this video: 🤣
(If you know, you know lmao)
I personally think Starlight's power is slightly overrated, tbh.
The the main comment on the video is, it's definitely at the very least implied if not outright confirmed that Starswirl is stronger than Both Starlight and Alicorn Twilight.
The pony of shadows comments on how Alicorn Twilight is "almost as strong as Starswirl". It took a combined effort of Twilight and Starlight to even slightly subdue the Pony of Shadows, while Starswirl seems to struggle less.
Furthermore, It's seen as a massive achievement to even alter one of Star swirls Spells. The only unicorns capable of doing it are Twilight and Starlight. And Starlight states she was only able to do it because "Starswirl had already done the hard part"
Stars will never "subdued'' pony of the shadows he banished him whit himself and team
@@mungunkhuyagbatbayar2383 okay true, but my point still stand xD
@witherslayer-7315 Starlight's laser destroyed discords body
Meanwhile starswirl's laser did noting to tirek
People got admit that starlight is greater than friendship😂
Lol starlight is her own catagory
This video is cool at least I'm part unicorn
i love how the enitre fandom just forgot about the wizard guy who made 200 spell shaped the unicorns spell knowledge LOL for my opinion starlight wasnt the strongest unicorn she always use the emotion/ boost her attack i never saw starlight did an attack without any emotion
Twilight never even showed her true alicorn power as well.
context all i know is that starlight is below to twilight and starswirl is either above twilight or equal to twilight if we do knowledge starswirl is the superior from all unicorn
starswirl himself might be superior in raw power if think about it. but yet the show never made it and all we know just our own theory but hey that unicorn can make spell that are impossible possible like ease.
talk about knowledge on magic, not just reading but also making...
Magic and emotions are heavily tied together, they go hand in hand, if you want a strong spell, you need to use emotions, Starswirl just had better control over his output of emotion than Starlight, who relied heavily on raw power
@@doc_anubis i never saw starlight did an attack without any emotion sadly. all i can in the show is that all her strong attack came from very very heavy emotion just like one time when discord annoyed her she just got so mad/pissed its like a baby unicorn blast
@@doc_anubis i mean during the time when she par with twilight she was also fulled by anger make sense her raw power would reach out of limit even much so we never saw twilight get much anger only once whe she casted a heavy move stop spell to the apple famility thing forgot the episode
@@doc_anubis and much so even starswirl is somehow equal to twilight in raw power - already proven by the pony of shadow. twilight is both unicorn and alicorn traits becouse of that she might even be superior on raw power than fully powered starlight, out of limit if she is fulled with anger and for some reason starswirl is = to twilight or might even be stronger than twilight shouted by the pony of shadow
@@doc_anubis if we will talk about raw power for me i think twilight would be top since of the traits she had and second for me would be starswirl he might not showed anything in the series but all we know is that he might be much superior to twilight or just equal to twilight and lastly starlight without any emotion she would not even reach any top for me.
Putting starlight over twilight is crazy
Twilight was a unicorn for basically a short amount of time judging from her age before she became an alicorn conpared to starlight, im sure If she stayed a unicorn and grew up to be the same age as starlight she wouldve had the same power and sbilities if not more than starlight
No denying that starlight is quite powerful but so is unicorn twilight, she also turned back time, defied the laws of gravity, casted love spells and even as a filly casted age spells (when she got her cutie mark) and all of these things alicorn could do too so twilight would've been able to keep up with an alicorn as well. Twilight as a unicorn had huge unspoken power but as she grew up she maintained it more but didnt know how to use it to its potential
Starlight fighted equally with ALIKORN twilight
Mostly cutiemark decides :3
Interesting
Okay, hear me out... Adult Pumpkin Cake solos.
If she gets proper training to hone that raw power she has shown, then maybe
Do this with the pegasi
Wheres Raven Inkwell?
Honestly, unsure, we havent seen that much of her, but given that she teaches at the school, she is either low second level or high third
Twilight and starlight are tied at power the show proves it boo.
You know that was when Twilight was already an alicorn right?
Bist du Deutsch? :D
Eyup
yay🥳🥳
@@lizakacyber So enthusiastisch darüber nen Deutschen zu finden lmao?
@@doc_anubis Same haha ^^
Rarity can defeat trixie
She didn't in boast busters though
@@doc_anubis true…
But rarity can do complex spells lifting 100’s of tiny things, and big boulders.. maybe they need a re match lol .
Rarity > Trixie.😭😭
rarity is better than both trixie and moondancer. she had better feats
Starlight can beat Goku.
el acento *skull
Idk what you mean with skull, but I do have a pretty strong accent yeah lmao, not a fan of it
@@doc_anubis solo me sorprendio, como hispano los acentos me cuestan muchoo y la vd no esperaba respuesta XD, por lo demas realmente estoy de acuerdo con lo que planteas, ojala haber visto a Star Swirl en su mejor epoca
@@uwu7963 I can barely understand what you say tbh, I dont know spanish, Im combining my french and google translate to understand, but what Im gathering is that my accent is hard to understand lmao
Bro, twilight wins against goku
i cant understand a word....omg
Most seem to have no problem, why cant you? That is a genuine question, Im always searching for ways to improve
@@doc_anubis cause I want to understand what you are saying 😭 but unfortunately I can’t make anything out and captions only help so much
Is it too fast, is the accent too distracting? Those are the usual criticisms I get and Im working on it
@@doc_anubis I can understand some words if I listen to hard enough but there’s like some other parts where I can’t make out anything and it’s just blabber
Well, sorry, it works out fine for most and I dont really know why its so much harder for you, especially cause you havent really specified what the problem is, but what I can offer you is that I can send you the script if you DM me on Discord, I do that on request cause Im aware that I talk fast
What about Shining Armor?
I hate this way of thinking. It gives off "Yes, i want to have a controversional opinion just for the sake of it" even if most unicorns use mostly levitation on daily basis then its still AN INCREDIBLE skill and also we dont know if they dont use more spells off screen and they could DEFINITELY learn more if they wanted to....like i dont think y'all realize how much helpful levitation is when you have hooves instead of hands...why you try so hard to be controversional and make unicorns appear weaker when theyre clearly the strongest race? Like yeah not everyone is the same and unicorns are capeable of unimaginable things that neither pegasi nor earth ponies can
And I dont think you realize the power the pegasi hold with their flight. Nobody ever said the unicorns are weak, just that they are weaker than the fandom overall thinks
You forgot about King Sombrero, and Shining Armor
I didnt forget about King Sombra, he isnt a unicorn, he is an Umbrum, so outside of this spectrum, and Shining Armor just didnt happen to be one of the examples I chose, I just picked a few to show the system of the scale
Would love to see a who the real master race is lol, without the alicorns ofc..
Its probably pegasi…definitely pegasi..
Pegasus propaganda successful
Starlight deserved wings 😭