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Its not just Carbon, when I was in China, their cities are so much less noisy, it felt wierd. Electric cars are so quiet it made me realise that most of the noise in the city are cars.
Sadly, EV's won't solve the entire noise problem. At over 50 km/h, the tyres are already making more noise than the combustion engines, and that noise isn't going to go away with EV's. Though obviously inside small streets in cities where most people are driving at 20-40km/h EV's make an exceptional difference.
the crux of the problem with EVs is simple: they are still cars. it doesn't matter if we got a silient city, if our mobility is still in the trashcan. always said this but i'll repeat again for the sake of argument: Future is public transportation. not because people want t be in sardine cans, but because there isn't materials for individual pods. there is no alternative.
The pollution thing is relative - I was born and grew up in an area of the UK so polluted (from the time of the Industrial Revolution) it is called the Black Country. When I was young, during the 1960s, there were sheet metal factories next door to the Infant and Junior schools I attended. God only knows the type of heavy metals we were breathing in. So, when I went to Beijing, and travelled around China a few times in the early 2010s, I honestly never noticed the pollution I'd read about. In fact I can say for sure that Beijing was a lot leafier than the environment I grew up in! Tree-lined avenues were everywhere, and most people seemed to ride electric scooters which are quiet and non-polluting (traffic in China is awful, but those scooters make a difference). Some of the disturbing pictures we used to see in the 90s, with huge orange clouds hanging over Beijing, were a meteorological issue - sand gets blown in from the Gobi Desert when conditions are right. Like any industrialised nation, China has huge environmental problems it must solve. Just wanted to put things in perspective. Where I come from, we've had heavy pollution since the 1700s!
Well I feel like traffic will always be tuff regardless of any amount of scooters bike lanes busses and train in a country of 1.43 billion people so you win some you lose some I suppose
@@onetomeplz5825In my opinion traffic is a policy choice. It’s a result of choosing cars over people, even in a place like China. I think China does a really good job in general in implementing good public transit that is people forward. However, In larger cities they have still often made the decision to build more roads for cars where transit like metros could do the job. Building those roads is the biggest reason for traffic. Still way better than where I live though, and I would die for transit as good as China.
Just a caveat here, during the earlier period of PRC (1950-70s), the government adopted a somewhat Soviet style industry and human ingenuity overcoming environment narrative and policy resulting in some of the most concentrated industrialization effort and environmental exploitation. One of the consequence being some of the largest lakes in China shrink so severely thus causing ecological shift and potential disaster that affects subsequent generations. When socialist made mistake, it could be on a horrifying scale, but the silver lining is that an organized concentrated approach is also the best at correcting such mistake. They are much better now.
Do you think China has changed since your visit in the 2010s? you can compare your own experiences and history of your country in the past few hundred years but does it really compare to the drastic change and innovation China's government has implemented in the past 10
I always get annoyed at the "China is the largest polluter" bit. Like, yeah, the entire west shipped their manufacturing there between the 1970s and now, why wouldn't they have more pollution? It was more profitable to export all that manufacturing and pollution to China. Maybe profit, and the class and systems that seeks it are real the problem.
Deprogram's guest Our Changing Climate (OCC) also address the China issue in several point: 1. Per capita and history accumulatively speaking , China ranked much lower in pollution and emission than the west 2. Western country's huge consumption is a primary contributing factor of China's huge emission. 3. Even if all western country adopt aggressive climate policy as China, we will still face climate consequence. The last point is quite depressing, show you how systems addictive to growth is fundamentally incompatible with climate action. Profit is indeed the real problem here, socialist at current stage can only fight against capitalist by growing faster, what a oxymoron and sad reality this is. Just a fun fact, OCC suggest we take non-direct climate action first before we tackle the issue.
@@AL-lh2ht it's exactly the same that the West was doing with their own industries at the same time, and a long time before that. Shipping most of the manufacturing to China was one of the key things that allowed environmental regulations in the West to actually do some catch-up since there wasn't as much industry lobbying against such measures anymore.
@@AL-lh2ht No, of course not. But an amount of that toxic waste wouldn't even be in China if not for western countries. Having a 200 year head start on being an industrial nation and then deciding to ship nearly all of their industry to China because they can't be assed to pay their own workers only to turn around and then say "oh look how polluted China is" is some straight bullshit and propaganda.
As a Chinese living in the north west part (Qinghai provinve) of the country. Mountains near the provincial city had more sand than grass, but in recent years, they became much greener with more grass, and trees like pines that people have been planting.
The truth is china, bearing in mind it's population is actually doing better in greenhouse gases than any of us, and it's truly a proof of where western dirigent's interests lie when the answer to this isn't "we need to step up and so better" but "uhm they still use coal we are only second so until China no longer has emissions we won't do anything" it's depressing
@@TCt83067695 yes and we need to cut gas, china does to be fair have plans to cut their coal plants when capable, currently they serve a backup purpose essentially but it's definitely an energy source they have to leave behind and avoid falling into LNG like the west did
@@TCt83067695We indeed have to do both. The situation is that we produce the more energy out of coal AND renewables than every other country in the world. One figure needs to go up, the other desperately needs to fall.
Currently living in China and am from the US, it’s interesting how renewable energy is just a part of daily culture. This at least of true for Hangzhou, public transportation isn’t just cleaner than the US’s but is so cheap. I take the metro basically everyday for 1.5~5 RMB a day which is less than a dollar USD. For a city larger than New York and arguably more dense I’ve never seen fewer cars on the streets. Speaking of streets, the roads are really nice here, intersections are very nice and bike lanes aren’t just paint on the road. Most of the time there is a physical barrier protecting the cyclists. China has invested a lot in rentable bikes and electric scooters, it honestly had made needing a car so unnecessary.
@@aluisious But what @Boysif_ said isn't limited to Hangzhou though. It's basically the same in every major city in China. Beijing, Guanzhou, Shanghai, Chengdu, Shenzhen, etc. There's a number of cities called tier 1 cities that are all the size of New York and have similar public transport systems as Hangzhou (which is a tier lower).
@@aluisious That's only true if you compare the density of the whole Hangzhou city (which is the size of NY state) to the NY metro area. If you compare the central districts (e.g. Xihu district, which is only slightly smaller than NY city, it is about twice as densely populated), if you compare the density of Hangzhou city to NY state it's about 4x more densely populated.
I can confirm China's rapid transition to clean energy and the clearing up of air quality. I went there as a tourist in 2017 and just recently, and I've noticed a huge difference in air quality. Back then, I couldn't see the stars in the sky at night, but now you can. Also, a fun fact about EVs in China I learnt while holidaying there - EVs are so common that they standardised the placement, installment, and model of batteries. Registered users are entitled to get 4 free battery replacements per month at automated battery replacement stations, which is essentially an instant full charge. And yes, the west is green with envy because China routinely continues to outperform them in places they made to look hard to achieve
The battery thing is insane. And the logistics would be pretty insane too, if they weren t standardized. The logistics are still probably pretty insane.
@@Somajsibere think hybrid is the future of cars. Renewable fuel and hybrid systems can solve the pollution problem, because the battery pollution of electric vehicles is also very large
@@625as-pj5mg hybrids also have batteries and what nots to pollute. The main issue now is global warming, so governments will probably go for fixing that with electric vehicles, especially if they can afford it. Also depending on the type of battery, some can be recycled. Hell even Li-Ion batteries can, its just more work
@@Somajsibere The hybrid battery is much smaller than the pure tram battery, so the pollution will be much less. Reference to two low-end cars,BYD Qin L and zero run C10 pure electric version. Qin L battery only 10 KWH, zero run C10 pure electric version of the battery to do 52.9 KWH. In addition, hybrid electricity is more popular than pure electricity in the Chinese market.
For those shouting "But china's building most of the worlds coal plants" - No shit, a population of ~1.43 billion people is staggering and requires a power supply that can be rapidly built and then transitioned away from. Coal plants unfortunately fit that requirement at this point in time, going from nothing to operational in ~2-3 years which is stupidly fast in terms of power plants. Are there experimental plants that can be built faster? Yes. Are they experimental for a reason? Also yes.
More importantly those coal plants are for peaking. They are mandated to be capable of running as low as 30% capacity, which is below what is considered financially viable. This is because they found out the hard way that climate change dries up rivers much harder than they expected, and that impacted their hydro power output during transition, resulting in blackouts during the worst summer heats. Western press almost always leaves out the motivation behind such policies.
Thank you for the comments I appreciate the new indictment. I was wondering why China had so many coal plants and didn’t automatically start building more nuclear power.
Those people also assume that chinese coal plants are the same outdated trashheaps the west has. No, the chinese ones are modern designs having much larger efficiency.
Not a chance. Both parties (LNP and ALP) have the mining industry in their back pockets that donates to their election causes. Most of them have coal company shares etc. So highly unlikely they will change this.
Yeah. I dunno about your neighbourhood, but here everyone's got cheap Chinese solar panels. Hopefully soon we'll also be getting the cheap Chinese EV's. For a Country that always drones on about free market capitalism, it shits me to tears the USA has effectively doubled the price of solar panels, wind generator motors and EV's for their whole Country, and their foolish citizens are happy about it. Why are they not asking why no-one in the USA invested money in those technologies? China doing it wasn't a damn secret. I guess it comes down to the USA has overtaken Saudi Arabia as the worlds largest Oil and Gas Producer.
Australians have already given up on nuclear power which is an important backbone for future renewalables to build upon. I hope they realize that's something they should adopt, since while solar and wind depend on the weather, something like nuclear doesn't.
Not a chance in hell, the Australian government, like most Western governments, doesn't own shit so can't do shit. But can wipe the arse of those folks in the Mad House. Can only tax, tax and tax. Freaking speeding fine is like $400 on the lower scale, crazy bat shit. White men can't think long-term, too busy interfering in other people's shit
@@ushikiii The "solar & wind depend on weather" B.S, is ..... Oh... I already said "B.S" There's always sun and/ or wind somewhere Even Tiny UK produced 2.5 times the amount of energy from Renewables that we did from Unclear Energy in the last year, and we haven't been building the system for that long. (Also more than from Fossil fuel) Meanwhile we're STILL waiting for the next unclear plant which started consultation when Tony Blair was PM, is Double the predicted cost, Won't be ready until... 2030...ish and will supply energy at double the price of Wind. . Australia could literally be a local powerhouse of "Free" Energy, for a fraction of the cost and time required for Unclear.
West: I also believe in basic workers and environmental protections as well as the freedom to criticise the government and access world culture and information on an open internet, and being allowed to vote to choose my leaders every few years and not genociding ethnic groups within our own countries and not annexing our weaker neighbours.
@@toi_techno >"environmental protections" >oh, you mean, the same place fossil fuels and "natural" gas folks thrive in? >"genociding ethnic groups" >man, I get being angry for the Uyghurs, but sheesh, don't go throwing stones in glass houses. For real, I do agree with some of the critiques of China here, though frankly, whatever happens there don't matter that much to me. It sounds like you just want to demonize China, for what reason, I don't wanna know.
That's very well said. As a Chinese who studied in Europe, some people in the West and the media always like to emphasize that China is the largest emitter of carbon dioxide. This is right, but what they don't see in the news is that the per capita emissions in Europe and the United States are several times or even dozens of times that of China. This means, to put it bluntly, the disappearance of one European and American can offset dozens of Chinese. Of course, I don’t mean to mean anything bad, but sometimes in life, just save a little bit of energy if you can. Northern countries such as Norway, Sweden, and Russia have reason to have higher emissions, but what reason do the United States， France， etc have? In many cases, it is just a matter of habits. Global warming concerns everyone, and everyone should change and work hard for it. Come on, everyone, with cooperation and honesty, we can do it.
It's great to hear that the Chinese watch this channel. A few years ago, I met a Chinese guy who came to our city in Russia for a couple of days with a group of other students. He didn't know Russian back then (he doesn't know English even now). We communicate via Telegram. Unfortunately, he's not just an oppositionist, he's an anti-communist, and until recently, he considered himself a nationalist. The only thing I managed to do was to make him stop being a nationalist, but now he seems to think that nationalism is a purely Chinese phenomenon.
@@andrey-uf1tgI really can't understand that in China, a true nationalist with Chinese traditional spirit would be anti-communist. What does he want to choose besides communism? Capitalism? We already have a bloody Kuomintang who has shown us in history how ruthlessly the Chinese capitalists and bourgeoisie treat the people and kneel on the ground against foreign invaders just to gain profits. It is better to buy foreign goods than to manufacture them, and it is better to rent foreign goods than to buy them. We've paid for it with our lives and blood, why would anyone want to do it all over again
That makes me genuinely angry. China, even with all of it's regulations (which I don't think are a bad thing at all, btw) somehow manages to produce SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper cars for it's citizens... yet the US blocks that shit with tariffs so we have to pay our BS inflated prices for worse features. It's even so bad that some car manufacturers are basically implement microtransactions into their vehicles for basic features. That says just about everything you need to know about how inefficient and ineffective the US is right now.
Well, someone has to pay that 54 billion bonus for Elon, right? But honestly, on a whole societal level, you have to cover all that rent-type profit from someone's pocket and it's the working person's pocket.
Yeah, I think the video makes a good point @14:37. Tariffs can be good to protect domestic industries but only if you're at the same time making an effort to catch up to the foreign competition. If not, then the tariffs are really just protecting the fossil fuel industry.
It’s bizarre to me to see so many on the American Left promoting free trade recently. In the 90s there were huge protests against the WTO, etc. Free trade is generally not good for the working class. I’m amenable to the idea that we shouldn’t put tariffs on green energy products, but the arguments about better consumer products are the wrong angle.
Our twink JT ate with this one tbh. As someone from the EU myself, saying the EU is just a slightly more socdem version of US capitalism & imperialism makes a lot of "leftists" here mad lmao
That's just true, and we're going on the same path than americans Like I'm struggling with bureaucracy to obtain some social aid but since I quit my old job I don't have unemployment wage ok fine but even for the social minimal here in france (half minimum wage,for the most precarious folks) after 4 months without income I was asket to write a letter to the departmental council explaining why I quit so they can state on my case Like... During that time I was called back for a long term job hope my trial unpaid week will go well (I love macron/s)... then it will be the trial month (paid haha) Like I had put aside all the "bonuses" we had as care workers since COVID, and the activity bonus of our social security helped but dang, quitting my job was really hard and I'm not at the end of the tunnel I wanted to change job for a long Time my supervisor refused the cases of everyone even the boss lickers...and I couldn't do the "reconversion quitting" I'm going to sell sports stuff and I'm genuinely happy about that, cuz at least I'll have a discount for clothing (and my fellow poor friends too haha) and food tickets France is shit, I found a job before having any aid outside of my city council and a charity (I can eat, have hygiene stuff, that's nice) but I have no money aside left cuz of the rent Can't ask social housing cuz no income No income cuz I left Depression doesnkt count as a valid reason to quit btw But at least I can have my meds for my chronic disease for free 😂😂😂😂 Eu is USA lite I confirm They put more money on teargas than actual aid btw, I have quit my job as a care worker but still going to be a protest medic it won't change 😂
As one of my country’s diplomats, Mr Kishore Mabuhbani has said, the West imposes and demands the same climate carbon emissions controls and restrictions on the Global Majority (including China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, etc), when the current carbon emissions and green house gases, climate pollutions were all produced by the collective West (USA , Europe, Japan) during their 250 years of Industrial Revolution growth. The West then has the nerve to blame developing China (and India, etc) for their current share of pollution, AFTER they have developed/ industrialised and have pumped the world with green house gases and carbon emissions, that have contributed to the world’s climate change in the past two decade or so. The West wants the Global Majority to pay (carbon tax, etc) for their current global pollution, when they should be paying developing countries, especially tiny, underdeveloped Pacific and Caribbean island nations that are suffering the most from their selfish and unmindful actions. At least China is making great strides in achieving carbon neutrality. My country, Singapore is trying to do the same. China and Singapore take climate change and its devastating effects very seriously.
A big part that is never mentioned is that China does not have oil. Meaning solar and renewables are crucial in staying independent from other countries. Whereas Western countries own the OPEC and cling to their oil profits.
I mean that's untrue, they produce like the 4th most oil in the world, they just use way more than they produce. Still important to transition to renewables though energy independence wise though.
Actually China has a lot of proven oil reserves, though far lower than top countries like Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iran. They are still one of the top ten oil producers in the world but their consumption of oil is immense, and will require more switch to EVs to reduce that - which they are actively doing. Which is why they are still importing a lot of oil from Russia, Iran, the west Asian countries. It should be noted that at the current production level of each country in the world, China will run out of proven reserves in about 16 years, and the US in about 6 years. Even Saudi will run out in about 70 years. Sure, it is possible we can find more oil reserves in the future but the fact is still that fossil fuel reserve are not that foolproof, even for the next 50 years. China has to wean itself off oil or it will be an economic and environment disaster for them.
I live in puerto rico and the solution since hurricane maria in 2017 is a bunch of private solar companies, it wouldn't surprise me if these companies disappear in like 2 years from now since they rely on predatory practices.
The comments already have people talking about the nonexistent 'social credit score' and this video has only been up a couple of hours. It's amazing how effective just making stuff up is, apparently.
that kind of thing is why he's so successful. i thank god it didn't get in my brain that way. i just hear "china" when i hear china. this gets easier if you expose yourself to like slightly more than mainstream western media, because people don't talk about trump much outside of fart sniffing western political hacks
No, american legacy media ruined u. Its not internets fault u cant be bothered to control the algorithm. But watching this video is step in right direction it seems
@@powresitta looool no. Get off your high horse. It's because I've taken the piss out of the way Trump says it cause it's objectively hilarious, don't be so up yourself
It must be said that the current climate crisis is mostly the fault of existing carbon already emitted into the atmosphere. The EU, and US dominate the total historical emission, and while China is catching up on the numbers because of the sheer amount of industrialization they did in recent years, it is still no where near what the west have put into our air. The lion share of the blame of climate crisis is on the west, not on China, which has also took up huge share of producing consumer goods for the entire world. If we add in the pollution from consumer goods being consumed by the end-user as part of that country's carbon emission, I bet the US and EU current emission will shoot right back up and increase the lead they have on historical emission. The west have STOLEN all the environmental allowance for carbon buffer for their own selfish development, and they have the audacity to blame China and demand the rest of the world to not developed. If there is such a thing as climate justice and enforcement, that the west should be punished and severe reparations to be paid and forced downgrading of their standard of living. They should be paying a significant portion of their GDP to everyone to go carbon free, and to be forced to go renewable and nuclear at a high pace. It is obvious now that the west is incapable of solving the climate crisis that THEY CAUSED.
Add that with their claim Africa and its "overpopulation" bs, which btw only produces like 6% more or less, nowhere near what the west emits in comparison.
Thats a bit reactionary. I wasn't born during the industrial revolutions, I'm not paying other nations for them developing while we the western masses get downgraded to 3rd world status. It's not like our products and business models weren't willingly adopted by foreign governments. Not to mention other countries wanting the US to aid them in war or resources. We should be making concerted efforts to join other nations in protecting our environment but you got it twisted if you think I'd agree to pay 'reparations' for what effectively was a global effort to pollute the planet. We still never gave reparations to slaves, why would reparations be paid to developing countries that have made their progress from syphoning money jobs, and resources from the west for nearly a century?
@@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070 Ohhhh how convenient. The west and capitalism doesn't really have to pay in this narrative for the wrongs they did. Which one is the reactionary here.
China has been for so many years doing amazingly in tackling climate change, not only in the green energy department, but also in reforestation, fighting desertification, revitalizing the countryside... Not all is perfect and it faces many challenges, of course, but it really highlights that planned economy can lead to gigantic transformations that bring about hope for the future. However, it's key to point out that green energy is not a magic solution to the climate crisis: if not handled correctly, it comes with its own set of environmental problems: solar farms create biodiversity deserts, wind turbines decapitate birds and have some other potential problems, and let's not even talk about lithium mining for batteries. That's not to say that they're bad and that we should just give them up, but it just makes even more necessary for Government non-profit research and planning to counter climate change. There needs to be a change in the global economic model, we simply cannot keep producing and producing, creating and creating. In my own country, since the capitalist logic is everpresent, many solar farms are being built in what used to be food farms since landowners see it as a fast cashgrab that produces more money for them faster that growing (allegedly monoculture) vegetables. Since they're buddies with managers in the companies that assess if they're following the normative regarding the measures they should take in the solar farms to avoid soil degradation, lack of biodiversity, etc., we now have an increasing amount of uncontroled, unchecked seas of metal that make everything around them extremely hot and unlivable for plants and animals and put workers at risk because of poor conditions and management of those terrains. Since energy companies are not state owned, the general population keeps paying higher and higher prices for electricity and green energy even comes with premium costs despite being cheaper to produce. Individuals who own houses and can afford solar panels on their roofs can benefit from them, but it's an individual solution for a global problem. Anyway, I'm rambling. Climate change has so many angles and a wide arrange of ever-evolving measures and permanent changes need to be put in motion NOW. I hope that China can keep on leading by example, finding even better solutions and that many nations follow the lead, but I don't see that happening in the capitalist regimes.
While I agree with what you said I must point out that solar and wind don't need to lead to biodiversity deserts, that is due to how we do property but actually meadows thrive under them protected by heat and they work very well with agriculture, it's just that because of how lawn ownership works this sort of mix use is nigh impossible
@@Solstice261 Yeah, totally, that's why I specified "if not handled correctly" and I commented on how the capitalist logic of investing in them as a way to make as much money as possible investing as little as possible create problems as well. Perhaps I didn't make my point clear enough, but basically I was trying to say that adopting green energies with the same predatory mindset is not the solution and it comes with a different set of problems. Still probably better than fossil fuels and coal, tho.
Some things that I want to add in as some sort of wildlife scientist. Mining for electric batteries whether in power generations or cars and its various other metals needed is overwhelmingly low compared to fossil fuel mining. Not the pollution of fossil fuels, just the mining impacts. It’s really staggering. Second, yes you were kinda getting there by yourself but unfortunately China is really not good when it comes to biodiversity practices. I’ve talked to people who work in international biodiversity projects especially marine biodiversity and conservation projects, basically the situation is so fucked that wherever Chinese ships are it’s a no go. If China had some more common sense ecologists on their team significantly impacting policy decisions I would have no issues but as things stand it’s definitely worse than western countries on biodiversity fronts and willingness to collaborate with scientists
My mom is like “China is gonna come get you” and I’m like great! Maybe they’ll adopt me and I won’t feel like such a tin foil hat person when I talk about the destructive nature of capitalism!
@@notamurderer6226I saw someone go to a morning market in China (completely a foodie creator not political at all) and they were able to stuff themselves for under $10 USD. If the living cost is pennies then sign me fucking up.
@@notreallyici some of the housing might be tad but expensive depending of which city and province BUT food is hella affordable especially with the average monthly wage in China.
Can we please just drop the fantasy of Mars colonization? How about we optimize our own planet for life before we even think of sending humans to other planets?
Rising divorce rates are in nearly all cases not people who who otherwise be in a happy marriage except for some change in the world. Rather they are people who would be trapped in an unhappy marriage due to economic or social reasons
Industrialization dose that to you, all industrialized countries have population crisis (discount immigrants), higher divorce rate, higher "urban frequent diseases" and higher risk of mental health degradation.
I can already imagine some people clicking on the video, hoping to relish in China's, "failures", only to see it actually disproves their claims, but instead of just realizing the reality could be different from what the propaganda says, they would just go into defense mode and comment: "Oh but have you heard about Cubic Vuvuzela? It's so bad!!!".
@@JathraDH any information shared with the intent to convince you of something, is propaganda. What matters is how accurate the information is and whether you choose to believe it.
I used to be quite critical of China's pollution - I still recognised that it was out of the people's hands, and was also fuelled by the west's outsourcing of its manufacturing - but they have turned things around in just a few years. Now I'm thinking we should follow their example. I really don't get our Green party's anti-nuclear stance
I have lived in Shanghai for a significant part of my life, and have travelled a lot into the hinterlands often. While there are still problems that need to be solved, and pollution continues to be a problem in provinces like Henan, Hebei, and Shaanxi, overall, progress is visible and concrete. In 2010, the average AQI even in Shanghai was almost always consistently >100, and going above 200 is not unusual. Nowadays, it stays below 60 consistently, even in Beijing (most of China’s air pollution are concentrated in northern China, which are generally more industrial focused, and have less forest coverings to absorb carbon). Again, that’s not to say that we don’t have problems. We are currently still the largest carbon emitters, and there are plenty of space for us to improve on. But importantly, people recognizes the problem, the government recognizes the problem, and significant and concrete progress have been made in the past 10 years on such - and we expect this progress to continue for the next few decades as well.
The true problem is its excess population since, if China were to have a _median_ income of US$74,580 (like America did in 2022 according to the U.S. Census Bureau), then China's overall carbon footprint would greatly exceed that of the US.
@@Mark-4158What do you mean by excess population? What are you talking about the median income of the US? Don’t you think all human beings have the right to pursue better lives?
Now that the top 20 most contaminated cities are dominated by India and other southeast asian countries, you don't se them talking a lot about it because it fits their narrative. I remember that around the 90s and early 2000, there was so many articles and documentaries about how much contamination there was in China. However, they failed to mention that so many corporations had their factories there and it was just common sense that the contamination was also being "outsourced". It was a matter of time that the contamination batton passed to the next countries. The difference? They now don't say as much with Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, etc.
That’s something I never realized!! There are so many countries that are polluted due to industrialization, but b/c they rely on a capitalistic economic system they are suffering. Not to mention the West relies on many of those countries for cheap labor and is essentially making those countries stay in those horrible conditions for their own profit.
There is no essential advantage or disadvantage between communism and capitalism. Only when they are properly used in practice and reasonably, they can both play a great role. This is the mainstream view of intellectuals in China at present, which can be summed up as pragmatism
@@ghxfghf525Lmaooooooo UHM unless you’re a protected millionaire class, CAPITALISM SUCKS. WHAT ARE YOU ON. It’s an orobos eating itself. And all capitalism in decline leads to fascism which is yea H*tler 2.0.
Don't forgot city design. In most places in the US, your only viable transportation option is cars, which pollutes a lot more than public transit, bikes and scooters.
Whether people want to admit this or not, China is leading the world on renewables, batteries, nuclear, and is pushing for reforestation. China also did the controversial one child policy. The US did the byrd-hagel resolution which pretty much committed the US to never signing on to any international agreement to reduce emissions, which has led to the world being unable to reach any agreements. This bullshit was brought up in Bin Ladins letter to America following 9-11. China was able to pass the US on GDP PPP and emitted half of the cumulative emissions to get there. I mean neither country is doing what we need them to do to get emissions where we need them to be but the US has known about this as long or longer than anybody else and has actively hampered policy on this for decades, and is the largest cumulative emitter. It’s ridiculous that with more efficient cars we scaled them up instead of keeping them the same size to make the fuel last longer. I’m sick of living in a giant bank that’s run by death cultists
@@baha3alshamari152 There, the noun phrase, "death cultists," probably refers to those who care more about economic growth than they do climate change.
@@Mark-4158 If that's a death cult for you then what should we call the evangelical church who demands from its followers to do whatever they can to bring Jesus back so that he takes them to heaven while everyone else stays on earth and die in the world's end
Because it talks about climate change. TH-cam attaches these to all video that are related in the slightest with something like climate change, the holocaust, flat earth, etc. You know topics that are controversial for and disputed by idiots.
@@projectpitchfork860 the flat earth attachment is wrong though, it says that "flat earth is an archaic idea" when in reality it's really not, we've known the earth was a globe for thousands of years now, flat earth is a relatively new movement
Amazing video!!!! You,hakim,and yugo are doing the best work on TH-cam.OCC,leejay miller,Zoe bee, and others are also bringing the truth to those who have been blinded by capitalism greed and corruption.
I took a couple years of mandarin at school (so in american terms, not that much 😭), and it really isn't as bad as people make it out to be. There's a big learning curve, but past that, it isn't too bad. If things really go awfully here and can't be fixed, I'm definitely considering china😭 (i've been slacking off over the summer though
I kept hearing in the news about how the EU and probably also the UK are putting huge tariffs on chinese electric cars to stop them "undercutting" European made EVs. But how do they expect young and poor people to buy electric cars when they all sell for like £40k new!?
China's game is about scaling investment & manufacturing - they have big population and thrive to make it efficient. US's game is about scaling media output - politicians will have to blame and drag the time and laws, because the "old" system is lobbying up the government.
@3:47 interestingly enough I was in Zhuzhou this past winter, and around every one in ten cars had a green license plate denoting EV status. It's pretty surprising to me how fast and popular EV adoption in China is, especially considering that Zhuzhou is a relatively small 3rd-tier city. The proportion of EVs on Zhuzhou roads seemed even higher than in the major tech hub Seattle where I live.
Well Taiwan is internationally recognized as part of the PRC by everybody (except those who don't recognize the PRC at all) but the island effectivly administers itself with Bejing having no direct influence on internal affairs in Taiwan.
@@uwo100 Basically comes down to internal Chinese issues and also siding with a government that is somewhat suspected of human rights violations vs a government that can't recognize it's own war crimes and genocide
I find it funny how 10 years ago nobody cared about taiwan being or not being its own sovereign state, but now after 6 years of red scare propaganda suddenly a lot of people care whether or not you showcase taiwan on a map or not 🤔
As a German it makes me really sad that the neoliberal government around 2011 decided to give up our technological advantage in solar energy. Most of our great researchers all went to China where they got the financial support from the government
China was already winning by 2011... We just hadn't realised yet. (I VERY much doubt you had "An Advantage" even if you THOUGHT you did) It's akin to US Politicians today saying "WE have an advantage in Semiconductors" in the same week that China reveals Photonic Chips ready for production.
"China is the factory of the world" So this explains a lot about the pollution issue there. Large Western brands are located as industrial hubs, basically China pollutes for them and for the rest of the world that consumes the products produced there, which sometimes have western purpose
@@miro.georgiev97 Yet, Mahatma Gandhi - an activist on whom such sentiments were most certainly not lost - still insisted that "[one] must be the change [one] want[s] to see in the world." 🤷
@@Rotmilan-bb8bk gee, i wonder if anything like that in our country exists...perhaps a credit score of some sort? that basically ensures generational poverty? idk man just hypothesizing! either way, i bet id ACE that social scoring system. HERE I COME CHINA 🗣
@@Rotmilan-bb8bk also yes to an extent i do. unfortunate that China is like Dengist rn but whatever, id rather put down reactionary forces than allow them to prosper
@@noveled_1 You would be good at following unwritten rules an beeing aware that you are constantly graded by some system? Sound like you would like the world of 1984 to a certain extend.
It is insane that China has deployed more solar capacity in 2023 ALONE more than the US has done for its entire history. Many of us have talked about creating a new Manhattan Project level to wean the US off fossil fuels, and China is doing that for their own country, at several times the effort. This is what being serious about reducing fossil fuel usage and fighting climate change look like. Real, actionable deeds and deliverables met. No BS, no under the table deals, no saying one thing and doing another. Just straight up doing this sht. China is showing the world what real action and leadership look like, and it is causing a lot of copium and gnashing of teeth in the west.
We have seen the strong leadership of the United States. From the Civil War to the Cold War, the American people were simple and hardworking, and the politicians were visionary and had leadership. The United States has maintained a long-term stable prosperity in science, culture, industry, and technology. But since Reagan, I have rarely seen outstanding leaders. The party struggles in the United States are not serious enough in the eyes of us Chinese. You do not take politics, which is a key issue concerning the fate of the country, seriously. Regarding climate issues and geopolitical issues, as well as many other domestic issues in the United States, such as gun issues, drug issues, and LGBTQ issues, I hope and believe that the United States can solve all of them, but I have to express my concerns.
@@galahadray Reagan paved the way to Hell for the US what are you talking about. He was the one that moved US industries to China and let the richest go tax free. He literally paved the way for the horrible policies we have now.
An addendum about Germany, since it was briefly highlighted positively. The current government reformed our climate protection law and made it far more toothless. Up until now, emissions were divided into different sectors with set targets for reduction and an immediate duty for governmental action, if a sectors targets were not met in the current year. The law had severe problems regarding enforcement, but instead of creating new mechanisms of enforcement or utilising existing laws allowing nationalization of companies etc., they set a common 2030 target for all sectors and the government only has to intervene if targets are not met for two years in a row. This basically allows the government to neglect reform in certain sectors, especially traffic (Speed-Limits, absurd car dependency, high environmental coast of highways, collapsing railway network, etc.) as long as the common target is met. This basically creates an incentive to do the bare minimum legally required, instead of effective, long-term reforms. And this law only regulates national emissions, not even considering other forms of environmental destruction and pollution, or the activity of German companies outside of Germany. The previous targets regarding emissions have never been wholly met and with the reform passing into law, I am almost certain that Germany is on the path to missing every single reduction and neutrality target, no matter how unambitious.
I as a german must veto your coloring of Germany in the context of climate action. Germany removed solar industry subsidies leading to a collapse of the german solar industry, leading not only to a job loss of about 20'000 but also a slower adoption. At the same time every minister in change of transport is a meme for how much they are meddling with the german car industry, also blocking more ambitious legislation in the EU. Meanwhile our liberal party which is part of the current coalition in charge is been sponsored by Porsche... So please... Germany is not a good example by any standards. It is absolutely great at lip services but when it comes to the nuts and bolts it just worships the carbon profits as much as any other country.
Also removed all NPP's. It's pretty depressing to see that German electricity is 10x more carbon intense than Frances despite all the effort and money Germany has spent on renewables
Can you please release the sources you consulted for the contents of this video? I'm writing a thesis on this topic and it would be helpful to rely on them, thank you.
I love your content but I must make a remark, we can't praise this surge in the manufacturing of eletric vehicles. Their manufacturing has very harmful impacts on land and water use :( they are here to save car companies, not the environment. The solution is public transport as some people already noted in the comments!
The fact is that First Thought is a counter to western media first and a comprehensive news outlet 2nd. I think this channel has a lot of good content, but the underlying ideological motivations mean all of us need to do our own research to get a true picture of the situation. Is that the way it should be? Probably not, but that's the reality of this and every news outlet with an ideological bent. Western media sources like CNN, Fox News etc. have the same problem with the opposite politics. In such a world it's up to us to do our own research and also fact-check said research. Even without a profit incentive there'd still be an ideological incentive.
I love your content especially on the second thought, and I acknowledge the fact that US is far worse on every aspect than China, but still the presentation of China is α little beautified. China has also capitalism, although with a better redistribution of wealth. Mr Temu is one of the welthiest persons in China.
This is why I've tied my Retirement Savings Accounts to Climate Change. All of my Investments are basically Renewables/Sustainable, China/One Belt One Road, Vietnam, BRICS, and the Cuba Closed Fund; eyeing the Shared Capital Cooperative, for investing in Cooperative Businesses. As a US Citizen, I have little options for saving for Retirement, but I have no problem chaining myself to this; if we fail we die, so no loss.
While everything here was true, you are missing a really big negative when it comes to China and emissions - over construction. While I am all for over constructing rail lines and city metros, and hey, why not even highways, the absolutely colossal waste of property construction here is deeply depressing. I don't think people understand just how many empty properties there are here. Not just the unsold ones but also those bought as "investments" and left as husks. Outside of the tier one cities - so including many cities in the 10M+ population size - a large proportion of properties built in the last 20 years never got to the stage of getting floors and furnishings. Estimates vary but we looked at some places that were built 18 years ago a couple of weeks ago and after asking was told buy the landlord "the occupancy rate here is quite good actually, almost 50%". This is on the outskirts of a bustling provincial capital. Constructing concrete buildings produces massive amounts of carbon and with a dropping population and the significant part of moving to urban centres already done, a huge amount of this is simply wasted. Most of these properties will actually never be lived in. The government strenuously protects property prices to avoid a panic but it also means prices are staying far too high for young families who don't have rich parents. The worst part? They are still approving thousands of new developments that may or may not get finished but will certainly never be lived in 😢.
When the Chinese government f'ed up before, in their Great Leap Forward, millions died of starvation. Now, when they stuff up, they over-construct. But at least they are capable to recognising mistakes and taking steps to correct them, as in letting the property bubble deflate which at least slows the pace of any over-construction and dramatically improves housing affordability through the over-supply. What does the US do? Run a record 35trillion deficit to fund an empire that regime changes and kills people in other countries. What did Madeline Albright say about the sanctions that killed 500k Iraqi children? It was worth it. Now that is truely depressing.
Unless every person in China owns a large apartment, there is no such thing as over-building, there is only property prices being too high, something that's being actively rectified to chagrin of western investors.
While China is doing a lot, it's far from enough (which is true world over). Net zero by 2060 won't cut it if we want to limit global warming to a reasonable level
at 9:15 there was an interesting line beneath the highlighted section, "all of these targets are severely off track after 2023". I was hoping that might have got a mention, but I suspect it’s not too big a deal as the general point feels more “at least china is trying to do something about this”.
the article attributes this to the effects of the covid pandemic which I think is a pretty reasonable excuse to have I'm sure china isn't the only country impacted by covid in a way that makes it harder to meet its climate targets it seems china has in the past been very reasonable with their goals; meeting, surpassing, maybe occasionally falling just short of them and I dont think that there is any indication that these short term effects of the pandemic will replace their track record to become the new normal or anything
China is predicted to decrease carbon emissions this year or in 2025, and that's according to Western sources. China's original date for this was 2030. So they bounced back hard particularly with solar installation after the pandemic.
At 9:08 as the PRC's goals are highlighted, the document on screen (which is uncredited) states directly after listing them, that »all of these targets are severely off track after 2023«. I'm not mentioning this to invalid the argument, but in the interests of balance and clarity, it may be worth mentioning both the source quoted, and to what extent this claim is accurate (or not). In this context, the verbal claim at 16:47 that ambitious targets have (in part) been met ahead of schedule needs to weighed against what the viewer has seen in minute nine. To make it clear, this is meant as a constructive criticism to provide clarity, and *not* an ideological attack on the basic premise of the video.
In a healthy society people don't marry untill their relationship is very stable. So the divorce rate should be low. If it is high it can indicate a economic motive. And or a lot of circumstances that are destabilizing relationships. I.e. high working hours, poor healthcare, poor mental health environment, lack of mental health care. No right to disconnect ect. The capitalist class pretends these things are not related, but if you decouple your brain from propaganda. More stress plus less time results in more divorce.
Two points: 1. Can you tackle the other problem from oil production: Plastics? and 2. I'm not sure if this was an AI editing glitch, but the narrative was very choppy and not your usual quality.
@@Mark-4158 when one is also a "leftist" political advocacy with dubious funding spouting blatant CCP propaganda while heavily criticizing everyone else, yeah you should have sources if you want to be taken seriously
Manufacturing of polysilicon for solar panels - The process produces large amounts of waste, including chlorinated compounds, silicon tetrachloride, and hydrochloric acid. Silicon tetrachloride is highly toxic and can acidify soil and emit toxic fumes when it comes into contact with water. For every ton of polysilicon produced, three to four tons of silicon tetrachloride waste is created.
Is 996 still the standard for Chinese workers? Have things gotten any better for workers lately? *Please read > This isn't a blanket condemnation of China. No country is perfect. This is not an endorsement of the US or US worker's rights(or lack thereof). Solidarité 🇻🇳 🇵🇸✊
Just to fact-check you, the 996 was something the huge corporations wanted to push in China a couple of years back. The Chinese government has made it illegal for companies to force 996 schedules now.
China is also trialing Thorium Reactor which won't have radioactive waste to deal with later on.......well much less. Thorium Salt Reactor research actually first started in the u.s but discontinued in the 60s or 70s...
im mostly worried about their large predatory fishing operations and black market smuggling of poached animals. Never really understood the criticism of their power grid, theyve been investing in renewables hardest of anyone
China is developing deep-sea pelagic farming technology through science and technology, and in ten years they may no longer need to catch wild fish. But you know, 1.4 billion people, such a huge population, it is still impossible to stop fishing in the short term.
I saw a video by an economist admitting that the west working with china instead of sanctioning would be beneficial for climate change. But then he justifies the sanctions by saying "but what if China invades Taiwan and we need to intervene but they threaten to turn off our cars if we do."
The only thing I am weary about is the expansion of nuclear energy. The nuclear sector is by no means clean and it's lobbying is directly linked to the stalling or cancelling of renewable projects, with some of the same heads in nuclear also being heads in fossil industries.
wat huh never in my life have I ever heard of the "nuclear lobby" also nuclear power may not be clean clean but nuclear waste and such like really aint the problem everyone makes them out to be
The nuclear sector produces very clean energy, nuclear waste is basically a solved problem and the smoke you see getting out of those big towers is water vapour that was used for cooling. The stalling thing is actually the other way around, nuclear is being stalled and even rolled back by the coal lobby, with renewable advocates praising those actions.
@@Kleyguerth A "solved problem". Wait, what? That's news to the planet. You can make a fortune selling that solution. Or could it be that you don't know what the f you're talking about. Yeah, going to have to go with that option sadly.
@@obione69 It may be news to you, but not to the planet. I won't be earning anything with that solution because it's well known and frankly, not that hard. Kyle Hill has a couple of videos on the matter. I think you're confusing containing the waste on normal operation with cleaning up disastrous meltdowns. That's hard, not solved and the basis of every argument against nuclear power.
@@Kleyguerth I'm not confusing anything. You claimed there was some miracle solution to the problem of waste production from nuclear power. I presume you think spent uranium fuel rods are perfectly safe to just throw in the bin. Or maybe you would volunteer to drink the contaminated coolant they use. They say its "treated" so feel free to drink some.
China is doing a lot better than the US on renewable energy but we shouldn't glaze, they're not on track to meet their 2060 goal, and thats 10 years beyond what the scientific community agrees is the ultimatum for 50% emissions reductions (per COP28)
When China says, China does. They might be lagging a decade behind, but in 2060 China might have been only country to fulfill its promise for climate change.
Solar PV production can result in greenhouse gas and other emissions, mainly from the energy-intensive processes involved in silica mining, silicon processing and purification, wafer production, cell, and module manufacturing.
To slap tarifs on Chinese renewable products is not bad as long as you are doing it to protect your own industry developing and expanding renewables. The problem rather is that the tarifs are rather there to protect fossil fuel companies. At some point the world around the EU and the US is so far gone in terms of development that our export markets completely crash. That´s the kind of future we are heading folks.
'...the greatest existential threat the mankind has ever faced..." I shall have that deep wisdom embossed in gold and placed under my desk top glass, right next to the Buddha's Lion's Roar Sermon.
"AT WHAT COST??" Nonexistent welfare for the poor people, functionally nonexistent protection towards workers being overworked, etc. The Chinese government cares much more about their quota than their citizens. It's much easier to push for green energies nationally, when they are the ones who have the raw materials, has almost complete control over domestically operating companies including social medias, and allows companies to pay very little to their workers so that they can always compete on price and build upon that. While i think the advance in green technology should be given priase, I think the video missed the domestic context in China completely, and people don't realize that. Potentially biased opinion, counter arguments welcome
China has essentially rebuilt its iron bowl welfare system though their anti poverty campaign. Food and Clothing are assured, education, basic healthcare, and safe housing are guaranteed.
700 million people have been lifted out of extreme poverty since 1980s. Is the Chinese government perfect? No. But has it been doing the right things overall? Yes.
I need more channels to do a analysis videos like this on China and china's history. This really helps remove my western geopolitical viewpoint into something that's more rational and I think it'll help other people too
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2:32 NO! Don't underestimate what Mao did. Mao laid the foundations for industrialisation.
it's racist to say china is the number one polluter on earth?
I won't stop until Hakim is free
How many sponsors until you let him out of your basement
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@@TheFabledSCP7000 Hakim is arrested?
Its not just Carbon, when I was in China, their cities are so much less noisy, it felt wierd. Electric cars are so quiet it made me realise that most of the noise in the city are cars.
Sadly, EV's won't solve the entire noise problem. At over 50 km/h, the tyres are already making more noise than the combustion engines, and that noise isn't going to go away with EV's. Though obviously inside small streets in cities where most people are driving at 20-40km/h EV's make an exceptional difference.
EV doesn't stop people honking, and I start hearing honking as early as 6am lol
Cities aren't loud, cars are loud. The channel 'not just bikes' has been saying this for years.
I recommend the video ''Cities Aren't Loud: Cars Are Loud''.
the crux of the problem with EVs is simple: they are still cars.
it doesn't matter if we got a silient city, if our mobility is still in the trashcan.
always said this but i'll repeat again for the sake of argument: Future is public transportation. not because people want t be in sardine cans, but because there isn't materials for individual pods. there is no alternative.
The pollution thing is relative - I was born and grew up in an area of the UK so polluted (from the time of the Industrial Revolution) it is called the Black Country. When I was young, during the 1960s, there were sheet metal factories next door to the Infant and Junior schools I attended. God only knows the type of heavy metals we were breathing in.
So, when I went to Beijing, and travelled around China a few times in the early 2010s, I honestly never noticed the pollution I'd read about. In fact I can say for sure that Beijing was a lot leafier than the environment I grew up in! Tree-lined avenues were everywhere, and most people seemed to ride electric scooters which are quiet and non-polluting (traffic in China is awful, but those scooters make a difference).
Some of the disturbing pictures we used to see in the 90s, with huge orange clouds hanging over Beijing, were a meteorological issue - sand gets blown in from the Gobi Desert when conditions are right.
Like any industrialised nation, China has huge environmental problems it must solve. Just wanted to put things in perspective. Where I come from, we've had heavy pollution since the 1700s!
Well I feel like traffic will always be tuff regardless of any amount of scooters bike lanes busses and train in a country of 1.43 billion people so you win some you lose some I suppose
@@onetomeplz5825In my opinion traffic is a policy choice. It’s a result of choosing cars over people, even in a place like China. I think China does a really good job in general in implementing good public transit that is people forward. However, In larger cities they have still often made the decision to build more roads for cars where transit like metros could do the job. Building those roads is the biggest reason for traffic.
Still way better than where I live though, and I would die for transit as good as China.
Thats why they call it the black country!? I thought it might have been something else but i was worried to ask😂
Just a caveat here, during the earlier period of PRC (1950-70s), the government adopted a somewhat Soviet style industry and human ingenuity overcoming environment narrative and policy resulting in some of the most concentrated industrialization effort and environmental exploitation. One of the consequence being some of the largest lakes in China shrink so severely thus causing ecological shift and potential disaster that affects subsequent generations.
When socialist made mistake, it could be on a horrifying scale, but the silver lining is that an organized concentrated approach is also the best at correcting such mistake. They are much better now.
Do you think China has changed since your visit in the 2010s? you can compare your own experiences and history of your country in the past few hundred years but does it really compare to the drastic change and innovation China's government has implemented in the past 10
I always get annoyed at the "China is the largest polluter" bit. Like, yeah, the entire west shipped their manufacturing there between the 1970s and now, why wouldn't they have more pollution? It was more profitable to export all that manufacturing and pollution to China. Maybe profit, and the class and systems that seeks it are real the problem.
so that makes it ok to dump toxic waste into rivers and not follow their own pollution guidelines.
Deprogram's guest Our Changing Climate (OCC) also address the China issue in several point:
1. Per capita and history accumulatively speaking , China ranked much lower in pollution and emission than the west
2. Western country's huge consumption is a primary contributing factor of China's huge emission.
3. Even if all western country adopt aggressive climate policy as China, we will still face climate consequence.
The last point is quite depressing, show you how systems addictive to growth is fundamentally incompatible with climate action. Profit is indeed the real problem here, socialist at current stage can only fight against capitalist by growing faster, what a oxymoron and sad reality this is.
Just a fun fact, OCC suggest we take non-direct climate action first before we tackle the issue.
@@AL-lh2ht it's exactly the same that the West was doing with their own industries at the same time, and a long time before that. Shipping most of the manufacturing to China was one of the key things that allowed environmental regulations in the West to actually do some catch-up since there wasn't as much industry lobbying against such measures anymore.
Nobody forced China to be the manufacturer of goods. And nobody forced China to make coal power plant every week.
@@AL-lh2ht No, of course not. But an amount of that toxic waste wouldn't even be in China if not for western countries. Having a 200 year head start on being an industrial nation and then deciding to ship nearly all of their industry to China because they can't be assed to pay their own workers only to turn around and then say "oh look how polluted China is" is some straight bullshit and propaganda.
As a Chinese living in the north west part (Qinghai provinve) of the country. Mountains near the provincial city had more sand than grass, but in recent years, they became much greener with more grass, and trees like pines that people have been planting.
And solar plants like the Ivanpah Solar Power Facility are scattered across the western area.
Uh oh
TH-cam is blocked in China, yet here you are
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wow a Qinghainese on the Internet, you guys are rare
The truth is china, bearing in mind it's population is actually doing better in greenhouse gases than any of us, and it's truly a proof of where western dirigent's interests lie when the answer to this isn't "we need to step up and so better" but "uhm they still use coal we are only second so until China no longer has emissions we won't do anything" it's depressing
But they need to stop using coal if they are indeed making the best progress in renewables
@@TCt83067695 yes and we need to cut gas, china does to be fair have plans to cut their coal plants when capable, currently they serve a backup purpose essentially but it's definitely an energy source they have to leave behind and avoid falling into LNG like the west did
@@TCt83067695We indeed have to do both. The situation is that we produce the more energy out of coal AND renewables than every other country in the world. One figure needs to go up, the other desperately needs to fall.
Currently living in China and am from the US, it’s interesting how renewable energy is just a part of daily culture. This at least of true for Hangzhou, public transportation isn’t just cleaner than the US’s but is so cheap. I take the metro basically everyday for 1.5~5 RMB a day which is less than a dollar USD. For a city larger than New York and arguably more dense I’ve never seen fewer cars on the streets. Speaking of streets, the roads are really nice here, intersections are very nice and bike lanes aren’t just paint on the road. Most of the time there is a physical barrier protecting the cyclists. China has invested a lot in rentable bikes and electric scooters, it honestly had made needing a car so unnecessary.
What I'd give for a real bike lane. It's so sad.
@@ihaps1117
Take a look at some of the "foreigner in China" channels, you'll be envious.
Hangzhou is far less dense than New York city. I've been to both, comparing them is totally obtuse. Just go look up the stats.
@@aluisious But what @Boysif_ said isn't limited to Hangzhou though. It's basically the same in every major city in China. Beijing, Guanzhou, Shanghai, Chengdu, Shenzhen, etc. There's a number of cities called tier 1 cities that are all the size of New York and have similar public transport systems as Hangzhou (which is a tier lower).
@@aluisious That's only true if you compare the density of the whole Hangzhou city (which is the size of NY state) to the NY metro area. If you compare the central districts (e.g. Xihu district, which is only slightly smaller than NY city, it is about twice as densely populated), if you compare the density of Hangzhou city to NY state it's about 4x more densely populated.
I can confirm China's rapid transition to clean energy and the clearing up of air quality. I went there as a tourist in 2017 and just recently, and I've noticed a huge difference in air quality. Back then, I couldn't see the stars in the sky at night, but now you can. Also, a fun fact about EVs in China I learnt while holidaying there - EVs are so common that they standardised the placement, installment, and model of batteries. Registered users are entitled to get 4 free battery replacements per month at automated battery replacement stations, which is essentially an instant full charge.
And yes, the west is green with envy because China routinely continues to outperform them in places they made to look hard to achieve
The battery thing is insane. And the logistics would be pretty insane too, if they weren t standardized. The logistics are still probably pretty insane.
@@RenAstray2048 The battery thing sounds like it's with cars from Nio.
@@Somajsibere think hybrid is the future of cars. Renewable fuel and hybrid systems can solve the pollution problem, because the battery pollution of electric vehicles is also very large
@@625as-pj5mg hybrids also have batteries and what nots to pollute. The main issue now is global warming, so governments will probably go for fixing that with electric vehicles, especially if they can afford it.
Also depending on the type of battery, some can be recycled. Hell even Li-Ion batteries can, its just more work
@@Somajsibere The hybrid battery is much smaller than the pure tram battery, so the pollution will be much less. Reference to two low-end cars,BYD Qin L and zero run C10 pure electric version. Qin L battery only 10 KWH, zero run C10 pure electric version of the battery to do 52.9 KWH. In addition, hybrid electricity is more popular than pure electricity in the Chinese market.
For those shouting "But china's building most of the worlds coal plants" - No shit, a population of ~1.43 billion people is staggering and requires a power supply that can be rapidly built and then transitioned away from. Coal plants unfortunately fit that requirement at this point in time, going from nothing to operational in ~2-3 years which is stupidly fast in terms of power plants.
Are there experimental plants that can be built faster? Yes. Are they experimental for a reason? Also yes.
Not to mention it's because most of the world's manufacturing has been outsourced to CN.
More importantly those coal plants are for peaking. They are mandated to be capable of running as low as 30% capacity, which is below what is considered financially viable. This is because they found out the hard way that climate change dries up rivers much harder than they expected, and that impacted their hydro power output during transition, resulting in blackouts during the worst summer heats. Western press almost always leaves out the motivation behind such policies.
Thank you for saying this comrade.
Thank you for the comments I appreciate the new indictment. I was wondering why China had so many coal plants and didn’t automatically start building more nuclear power.
Those people also assume that chinese coal plants are the same outdated trashheaps the west has. No, the chinese ones are modern designs having much larger efficiency.
Hope my nation of Australia keeps working with China on climate change and not follow USA on sanctions against them
Not a chance. Both parties (LNP and ALP) have the mining industry in their back pockets that donates to their election causes. Most of them have coal company shares etc. So highly unlikely they will change this.
Yeah. I dunno about your neighbourhood, but here everyone's got cheap Chinese solar panels. Hopefully soon we'll also be getting the cheap Chinese EV's. For a Country that always drones on about free market capitalism, it shits me to tears the USA has effectively doubled the price of solar panels, wind generator motors and EV's for their whole Country, and their foolish citizens are happy about it. Why are they not asking why no-one in the USA invested money in those technologies? China doing it wasn't a damn secret. I guess it comes down to the USA has overtaken Saudi Arabia as the worlds largest Oil and Gas Producer.
Australians have already given up on nuclear power which is an important backbone for future renewalables to build upon. I hope they realize that's something they should adopt, since while solar and wind depend on the weather, something like nuclear doesn't.
Not a chance in hell, the Australian government, like most Western governments, doesn't own shit so can't do shit. But can wipe the arse of those folks in the Mad House. Can only tax, tax and tax. Freaking speeding fine is like $400 on the lower scale, crazy bat shit. White men can't think long-term, too busy interfering in other people's shit
@@ushikiii
The "solar & wind depend on weather" B.S, is ..... Oh... I already said "B.S"
There's always sun and/ or wind somewhere
Even Tiny UK produced 2.5 times the amount of energy from Renewables that we did from Unclear Energy in the last year, and we haven't been building the system for that long. (Also more than from Fossil fuel)
Meanwhile we're STILL waiting for the next unclear plant which started consultation when Tony Blair was PM, is Double the predicted cost, Won't be ready until... 2030...ish and will supply energy at double the price of Wind.
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Australia could literally be a local powerhouse of "Free" Energy, for a fraction of the cost and time required for Unclear.
West: I believe in capitalism, free market and competition!!!!
But ONLY IF I Win, otherwise 100% tax for you.
So typical of them having double standards
actually it's 250%.....
West: I also believe in basic workers and environmental protections as well as the freedom to criticise the government and access world culture and information on an open internet, and being allowed to vote to choose my leaders every few years and not genociding ethnic groups within our own countries and not annexing our weaker neighbours.
@@toi_techno you need to visit China and see the truth through your own eyes instead of blindly believing in everything your media feed you.
@@toi_techno >"environmental protections"
>oh, you mean, the same place fossil fuels and "natural" gas folks thrive in?
>"genociding ethnic groups"
>man, I get being angry for the Uyghurs, but sheesh, don't go throwing stones in glass houses.
For real, I do agree with some of the critiques of China here, though frankly, whatever happens there don't matter that much to me. It sounds like you just want to demonize China, for what reason, I don't wanna know.
That's very well said. As a Chinese who studied in Europe, some people in the West and the media always like to emphasize that China is the largest emitter of carbon dioxide. This is right, but what they don't see in the news is that the per capita emissions in Europe and the United States are several times or even dozens of times that of China. This means, to put it bluntly, the disappearance of one European and American can offset dozens of Chinese. Of course, I don’t mean to mean anything bad, but sometimes in life, just save a little bit of energy if you can. Northern countries such as Norway, Sweden, and Russia have reason to have higher emissions, but what reason do the United States， France， etc have? In many cases, it is just a matter of habits. Global warming concerns everyone, and everyone should change and work hard for it. Come on, everyone, with cooperation and honesty, we can do it.
It's great to hear that the Chinese watch this channel. A few years ago, I met a Chinese guy who came to our city in Russia for a couple of days with a group of other students. He didn't know Russian back then (he doesn't know English even now). We communicate via Telegram. Unfortunately, he's not just an oppositionist, he's an anti-communist, and until recently, he considered himself a nationalist. The only thing I managed to do was to make him stop being a nationalist, but now he seems to think that nationalism is a purely Chinese phenomenon.
@@andrey-uf1tgI really can't understand that in China, a true nationalist with Chinese traditional spirit would be anti-communist. What does he want to choose besides communism? Capitalism? We already have a bloody Kuomintang who has shown us in history how ruthlessly the Chinese capitalists and bourgeoisie treat the people and kneel on the ground against foreign invaders just to gain profits. It is better to buy foreign goods than to manufacture them, and it is better to rent foreign goods than to buy them. We've paid for it with our lives and blood, why would anyone want to do it all over again
next time the westoids complain. point out that they polluted for 200 years before china took the lead in 2010.
That makes me genuinely angry. China, even with all of it's regulations (which I don't think are a bad thing at all, btw) somehow manages to produce SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper cars for it's citizens... yet the US blocks that shit with tariffs so we have to pay our BS inflated prices for worse features. It's even so bad that some car manufacturers are basically implement microtransactions into their vehicles for basic features. That says just about everything you need to know about how inefficient and ineffective the US is right now.
It gets worse: Trump wants to replace the income tax with tariffs on all foreign goods which means the working class will pay basically all the taxes
Well, someone has to pay that 54 billion bonus for Elon, right?
But honestly, on a whole societal level, you have to cover all that rent-type profit from someone's pocket and it's the working person's pocket.
Yeah, I think the video makes a good point @14:37. Tariffs can be good to protect domestic industries but only if you're at the same time making an effort to catch up to the foreign competition. If not, then the tariffs are really just protecting the fossil fuel industry.
Did we say free markets? We meant protected markets for select people and industries.
It’s bizarre to me to see so many on the American Left promoting free trade recently. In the 90s there were huge protests against the WTO, etc. Free trade is generally not good for the working class. I’m amenable to the idea that we shouldn’t put tariffs on green energy products, but the arguments about better consumer products are the wrong angle.
"United States Lite,fewer calories ....same support for Genocide"😭😭
Our twink JT ate with this one tbh. As someone from the EU myself, saying the EU is just a slightly more socdem version of US capitalism & imperialism makes a lot of "leftists" here mad lmao
@@flowtho7742why would that make you mad
@Literally_a_Moth doesn't make flowtho mad, just makes social chauvs mad
@@flowtho7742we in the eu are basically just large american client state
That's just true, and we're going on the same path than americans
Like I'm struggling with bureaucracy to obtain some social aid but since I quit my old job I don't have unemployment wage ok fine but even for the social minimal here in france (half minimum wage,for the most precarious folks) after 4 months without income I was asket to write a letter to the departmental council explaining why I quit so they can state on my case
Like...
During that time I was called back for a long term job hope my trial unpaid week will go well (I love macron/s)... then it will be the trial month (paid haha)
Like I had put aside all the "bonuses" we had as care workers since COVID, and the activity bonus of our social security helped but dang, quitting my job was really hard and I'm not at the end of the tunnel
I wanted to change job for a long Time my supervisor refused the cases of everyone even the boss lickers...and I couldn't do the "reconversion quitting"
I'm going to sell sports stuff and I'm genuinely happy about that, cuz at least I'll have a discount for clothing (and my fellow poor friends too haha) and food tickets
France is shit, I found a job before having any aid outside of my city council and a charity (I can eat, have hygiene stuff, that's nice) but I have no money aside left cuz of the rent
Can't ask social housing cuz no income
No income cuz I left
Depression doesnkt count as a valid reason to quit btw
But at least I can have my meds for my chronic disease for free 😂😂😂😂
Eu is USA lite I confirm
They put more money on teargas than actual aid btw, I have quit my job as a care worker but still going to be a protest medic it won't change 😂
They do not tell you that on Kurzgesagt...
Yeah, because Kurzgesagt is a billionaire propaganda outlet, who unironically collaborated with Bill Gates.
They also dont tell you who funds kurzgesagt.
@@hauz287 Oh, I know. I am not a fan of them at all.
They do tell you that nuclear annihilation is something humanity can just bounce back from! That's something!
@@hauz287Fair, time to do some googling. 😔
As one of my country’s diplomats, Mr Kishore Mabuhbani has said, the West imposes and demands the same climate carbon emissions controls and restrictions on the Global Majority (including China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, etc), when the current carbon emissions and green house gases, climate pollutions were all produced by the collective West (USA , Europe, Japan) during their 250 years of Industrial Revolution growth. The West then has the nerve to blame developing China (and India, etc) for their current share of pollution, AFTER they have developed/ industrialised and have pumped the world with green house gases and carbon emissions, that have contributed to the world’s climate change in the past two decade or so. The West wants the Global Majority to pay (carbon tax, etc) for their current global pollution, when they should be paying developing countries, especially tiny, underdeveloped Pacific and Caribbean island nations that are suffering the most from their selfish and unmindful actions. At least China is making great strides in achieving carbon neutrality. My country, Singapore is trying to do the same. China and Singapore take climate change and its devastating effects very seriously.
"First come, first served."
A big part that is never mentioned is that China does not have oil. Meaning solar and renewables are crucial in staying independent from other countries. Whereas Western countries own the OPEC and cling to their oil profits.
I mean that's untrue, they produce like the 4th most oil in the world, they just use way more than they produce. Still important to transition to renewables though energy independence wise though.
China has oil
Actually China has a lot of proven oil reserves, though far lower than top countries like Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iran. They are still one of the top ten oil producers in the world but their consumption of oil is immense, and will require more switch to EVs to reduce that - which they are actively doing. Which is why they are still importing a lot of oil from Russia, Iran, the west Asian countries.
It should be noted that at the current production level of each country in the world, China will run out of proven reserves in about 16 years, and the US in about 6 years. Even Saudi will run out in about 70 years. Sure, it is possible we can find more oil reserves in the future but the fact is still that fossil fuel reserve are not that foolproof, even for the next 50 years.
China has to wean itself off oil or it will be an economic and environment disaster for them.
@@Draconic_Mantis They have a lot, but need FAR MORE.
its cute you thiink "western counties" own OPEC.
BUT AT WHAT COST!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
about 10 bucks
an overcapacitating amount
not being able to release as much carbon 😢
@@biharcourt ???
You tell me
I live in puerto rico and the solution since hurricane maria in 2017 is a bunch of private solar companies, it wouldn't surprise me if these companies disappear in like 2 years from now since they rely on predatory practices.
That's capitalism.
Very sorry for any suffering the american gubmint and its silent majority have done to you and your people🫂
@@injusticeanywherethreatens4810
usakistanis are not americans
The comments already have people talking about the nonexistent 'social credit score' and this video has only been up a couple of hours. It's amazing how effective just making stuff up is, apparently.
These people thing only china is capable of propaganda.
If you ask a Chinese person about the social credit score, you get a response of "huh?".
America has credit scores which governs all basic aspects of your life and decides how much prosperity you get to have
We have FREEDOM baby 😎🇺🇸
@@adamrosendahl8090 oh that is why people cant use trains if its bad.
@@AL-lh2ht spoken like a true ignoramus. Americans SMH.
I can't not hear Trump goin CHYNA every time I hear about it now, the internet has ruined me
Me neither
that kind of thing is why he's so successful. i thank god it didn't get in my brain that way. i just hear "china" when i hear china. this gets easier if you expose yourself to like slightly more than mainstream western media, because people don't talk about trump much outside of fart sniffing western political hacks
No, american legacy media ruined u. Its not internets fault u cant be bothered to control the algorithm. But watching this video is step in right direction it seems
@@powresitta looool no. Get off your high horse. It's because I've taken the piss out of the way Trump says it cause it's objectively hilarious, don't be so up yourself
J-y-ay-nah
It must be said that the current climate crisis is mostly the fault of existing carbon already emitted into the atmosphere. The EU, and US dominate the total historical emission, and while China is catching up on the numbers because of the sheer amount of industrialization they did in recent years, it is still no where near what the west have put into our air.
The lion share of the blame of climate crisis is on the west, not on China, which has also took up huge share of producing consumer goods for the entire world. If we add in the pollution from consumer goods being consumed by the end-user as part of that country's carbon emission, I bet the US and EU current emission will shoot right back up and increase the lead they have on historical emission.
The west have STOLEN all the environmental allowance for carbon buffer for their own selfish development, and they have the audacity to blame China and demand the rest of the world to not developed. If there is such a thing as climate justice and enforcement, that the west should be punished and severe reparations to be paid and forced downgrading of their standard of living. They should be paying a significant portion of their GDP to everyone to go carbon free, and to be forced to go renewable and nuclear at a high pace. It is obvious now that the west is incapable of solving the climate crisis that THEY CAUSED.
"First come, first served."
Add that with their claim Africa and its "overpopulation" bs, which btw only produces like 6% more or less, nowhere near what the west emits in comparison.
Thats a bit reactionary. I wasn't born during the industrial revolutions, I'm not paying other nations for them developing while we the western masses get downgraded to 3rd world status. It's not like our products and business models weren't willingly adopted by foreign governments. Not to mention other countries wanting the US to aid them in war or resources. We should be making concerted efforts to join other nations in protecting our environment but you got it twisted if you think I'd agree to pay 'reparations' for what effectively was a global effort to pollute the planet. We still never gave reparations to slaves, why would reparations be paid to developing countries that have made their progress from syphoning money jobs, and resources from the west for nearly a century?
@@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070 Ohhhh how convenient. The west and capitalism doesn't really have to pay in this narrative for the wrongs they did. Which one is the reactionary here.
China has been for so many years doing amazingly in tackling climate change, not only in the green energy department, but also in reforestation, fighting desertification, revitalizing the countryside... Not all is perfect and it faces many challenges, of course, but it really highlights that planned economy can lead to gigantic transformations that bring about hope for the future.
However, it's key to point out that green energy is not a magic solution to the climate crisis: if not handled correctly, it comes with its own set of environmental problems: solar farms create biodiversity deserts, wind turbines decapitate birds and have some other potential problems, and let's not even talk about lithium mining for batteries. That's not to say that they're bad and that we should just give them up, but it just makes even more necessary for Government non-profit research and planning to counter climate change. There needs to be a change in the global economic model, we simply cannot keep producing and producing, creating and creating.
In my own country, since the capitalist logic is everpresent, many solar farms are being built in what used to be food farms since landowners see it as a fast cashgrab that produces more money for them faster that growing (allegedly monoculture) vegetables. Since they're buddies with managers in the companies that assess if they're following the normative regarding the measures they should take in the solar farms to avoid soil degradation, lack of biodiversity, etc., we now have an increasing amount of uncontroled, unchecked seas of metal that make everything around them extremely hot and unlivable for plants and animals and put workers at risk because of poor conditions and management of those terrains.
Since energy companies are not state owned, the general population keeps paying higher and higher prices for electricity and green energy even comes with premium costs despite being cheaper to produce. Individuals who own houses and can afford solar panels on their roofs can benefit from them, but it's an individual solution for a global problem.
Anyway, I'm rambling. Climate change has so many angles and a wide arrange of ever-evolving measures and permanent changes need to be put in motion NOW. I hope that China can keep on leading by example, finding even better solutions and that many nations follow the lead, but I don't see that happening in the capitalist regimes.
While I agree with what you said I must point out that solar and wind don't need to lead to biodiversity deserts, that is due to how we do property but actually meadows thrive under them protected by heat and they work very well with agriculture, it's just that because of how lawn ownership works this sort of mix use is nigh impossible
@@Solstice261 Yeah, totally, that's why I specified "if not handled correctly" and I commented on how the capitalist logic of investing in them as a way to make as much money as possible investing as little as possible create problems as well. Perhaps I didn't make my point clear enough, but basically I was trying to say that adopting green energies with the same predatory mindset is not the solution and it comes with a different set of problems. Still probably better than fossil fuels and coal, tho.
@@BigBadWolframio oh, ok, no you explained yourself fine, I just didn't get it at first , my bad
Some things that I want to add in as some sort of wildlife scientist. Mining for electric batteries whether in power generations or cars and its various other metals needed is overwhelmingly low compared to fossil fuel mining. Not the pollution of fossil fuels, just the mining impacts. It’s really staggering.
Second, yes you were kinda getting there by yourself but unfortunately China is really not good when it comes to biodiversity practices. I’ve talked to people who work in international biodiversity projects especially marine biodiversity and conservation projects, basically the situation is so fucked that wherever Chinese ships are it’s a no go. If China had some more common sense ecologists on their team significantly impacting policy decisions I would have no issues but as things stand it’s definitely worse than western countries on biodiversity fronts and willingness to collaborate with scientists
Incredible what you can do with rational economic planning
but at what cost 😉
@@azzamatic4190 "There's an overcapacity of climate change solutions in China" - Janet Yellen, probably
@@azzamatic4190you tell us.
@@azzamatic4190Yeah, Chinese people give up some of their freedoms for a bigger goal, and most of them agreed to do so😊
Combined with markets though. Its wrong to think that you have only planning in china.
My mom is like “China is gonna come get you” and I’m like great! Maybe they’ll adopt me and I won’t feel like such a tin foil hat person when I talk about the destructive nature of capitalism!
So you want to live in a country where you have no human rights and forced to work for penny’s
@@notamurderer6226
SPEAKING of "Tin foil Hats"
@@notamurderer6226I saw someone go to a morning market in China (completely a foodie creator not political at all) and they were able to stuff themselves for under $10 USD. If the living cost is pennies then sign me fucking up.
@@notreallyici some of the housing might be tad but expensive depending of which city and province BUT food is hella affordable especially with the average monthly wage in China.
China will colonize Mars by the time a certain someone finally builds a single goddamn tunnel
Can we please just drop the fantasy of Mars colonization? How about we optimize our own planet for life before we even think of sending humans to other planets?
Lol that's if American billionaires don't run there first and leave us all to die 🙃
When US finishes their 1st HSR in 2028 lol
@@monsieurdorgat6864 yes mars is such luxurious place that rich will want to go thear
Who cares about Mars?
Elon's fan boys and scifi"enthusiasts" without scientific knowledge.
Rising divorce rates are in nearly all cases not people who who otherwise be in a happy marriage except for some change in the world. Rather they are people who would be trapped in an unhappy marriage due to economic or social reasons
We have it's worst over here in VN.
Industrialization dose that to you, all industrialized countries have population crisis (discount immigrants), higher divorce rate, higher "urban frequent diseases" and higher risk of mental health degradation.
Chris, but there aren't many country with the resources sovereignty and political will to reduces those problem.
I can already imagine some people clicking on the video, hoping to relish in China's, "failures", only to see it actually disproves their claims, but instead of just realizing the reality could be different from what the propaganda says, they would just go into defense mode and comment:
"Oh but have you heard about Cubic Vuvuzela? It's so bad!!!".
This entire video is propaganda what do you mean? Lmao.
@@JathraDH any information shared with the intent to convince you of something, is propaganda. What matters is how accurate the information is and whether you choose to believe it.
@@JathraDHlol the entire US media is state run propaganda. Idk where you’re from, but everything is propaganda aka convincing you of something.
I used to be quite critical of China's pollution - I still recognised that it was out of the people's hands, and was also fuelled by the west's outsourcing of its manufacturing - but they have turned things around in just a few years. Now I'm thinking we should follow their example. I really don't get our Green party's anti-nuclear stance
I have lived in Shanghai for a significant part of my life, and have travelled a lot into the hinterlands often. While there are still problems that need to be solved, and pollution continues to be a problem in provinces like Henan, Hebei, and Shaanxi, overall, progress is visible and concrete. In 2010, the average AQI even in Shanghai was almost always consistently >100, and going above 200 is not unusual. Nowadays, it stays below 60 consistently, even in Beijing (most of China’s air pollution are concentrated in northern China, which are generally more industrial focused, and have less forest coverings to absorb carbon). Again, that’s not to say that we don’t have problems. We are currently still the largest carbon emitters, and there are plenty of space for us to improve on. But importantly, people recognizes the problem, the government recognizes the problem, and significant and concrete progress have been made in the past 10 years on such - and we expect this progress to continue for the next few decades as well.
The true problem is its excess population since, if China were to have a _median_ income of US$74,580 (like America did in 2022 according to the U.S. Census Bureau), then China's overall carbon footprint would greatly exceed that of the US.
@@Mark-4158What do you mean by excess population? What are you talking about the median income of the US? Don’t you think all human beings have the right to pursue better lives?
@@ouronlyhome2462lol another one succumbs to the eco-fascist idea of over-population. I really hate the 50s environmentalists. *sigh*
Now that the top 20 most contaminated cities are dominated by India and other southeast asian countries, you don't se them talking a lot about it because it fits their narrative.
I remember that around the 90s and early 2000, there was so many articles and documentaries about how much contamination there was in China. However, they failed to mention that so many corporations had their factories there and it was just common sense that the contamination was also being "outsourced".
It was a matter of time that the contamination batton passed to the next countries. The difference? They now don't say as much with Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, etc.
That’s something I never realized!! There are so many countries that are polluted due to industrialization, but b/c they rely on a capitalistic economic system they are suffering. Not to mention the West relies on many of those countries for cheap labor and is essentially making those countries stay in those horrible conditions for their own profit.
We are always taught the negatives of China right from school; its the Communist Philosophy which got to know me a very great side....
I don't remember even _one_ lesson covering China in school (and even mainstream news here barely covers the country).
There is no essential advantage or disadvantage between communism and capitalism. Only when they are properly used in practice and reasonably, they can both play a great role. This is the mainstream view of intellectuals in China at present, which can be summed up as pragmatism
@@ghxfghf525Lmaooooooo UHM unless you’re a protected millionaire class, CAPITALISM SUCKS. WHAT ARE YOU ON. It’s an orobos eating itself. And all capitalism in decline leads to fascism which is yea H*tler 2.0.
Don't forgot city design. In most places in the US, your only viable transportation option is cars, which pollutes a lot more than public transit, bikes and scooters.
Whether people want to admit this or not, China is leading the world on renewables, batteries, nuclear, and is pushing for reforestation. China also did the controversial one child policy. The US did the byrd-hagel resolution which pretty much committed the US to never signing on to any international agreement to reduce emissions, which has led to the world being unable to reach any agreements. This bullshit was brought up in Bin Ladins letter to America following 9-11. China was able to pass the US on GDP PPP and emitted half of the cumulative emissions to get there. I mean neither country is doing what we need them to do to get emissions where we need them to be but the US has known about this as long or longer than anybody else and has actively hampered policy on this for decades, and is the largest cumulative emitter. It’s ridiculous that with more efficient cars we scaled them up instead of keeping them the same size to make the fuel last longer. I’m sick of living in a giant bank that’s run by death cultists
"The [citizen] is always right in matters of taste" guides decision-makers in a functioning democracy - not their respective visions for the nation.
What death cultists are you talking about ?
@@baha3alshamari152 There, the noun phrase, "death cultists," probably refers to those who care more about economic growth than they do climate change.
@@Mark-4158
If that's a death cult for you then what should we call the evangelical church who demands from its followers to do whatever they can to bring Jesus back so that he takes them to heaven while everyone else stays on earth and die in the world's end
I wish you mentioned the nuclear program in China. China is innovating with Nuclear reactors more than anyone else.
Lol, for some reason there is a UN explanation of what climate change is on this video
Because it talks about climate change. TH-cam attaches these to all video that are related in the slightest with something like climate change, the holocaust, flat earth, etc.
You know topics that are controversial for and disputed by idiots.
@@projectpitchfork860 the flat earth attachment is wrong though, it says that "flat earth is an archaic idea" when in reality it's really not, we've known the earth was a globe for thousands of years now, flat earth is a relatively new movement
Usually it links to Wikipedia or the WHO. It's my first time seeing the UN as the source.
It’s on all videos that mentions the topic
@@1ycan-eu9ji And before we knew it was a globe there were probably a lot of people thought it was flat.
Amazing video!!!! You,hakim,and yugo are doing the best work on TH-cam.OCC,leejay miller,Zoe bee, and others are also bringing the truth to those who have been blinded by capitalism greed and corruption.
As a socialist gen z American humanist and, of course, furry and leftist, I so much agree these guys are amazing
@@andrewreynolds912....
@@andrewreynolds912 did you really have to put "furry"at the same level of hierarchy as the other categories?
@@okarowarriorthis kind of thing seems to be a new trend in the West.😂
except hakim is a champagne socialist who only blabbers
could you do a video on what's happening in Venezuela at the moment?
Ben Norton from the Geopolitical Economy Report did a great breakdown:
th-cam.com/video/NglJ4J2rMEA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iKUmjc_qrTywwcbM
whats happening in Venezuela?
US is attempting yet another coup against the elected socialist government
@@seductive_fishstick8961 the US is meddling in their elections.
There is an attempted coup d'état, the evil empire seeks to domesticate Latin America by overthrowing governments that are uncomfortable for them.
I should Start learning mandarin
I took a couple years of mandarin at school (so in american terms, not that much 😭), and it really isn't as bad as people make it out to be. There's a big learning curve, but past that, it isn't too bad. If things really go awfully here and can't be fixed, I'm definitely considering china😭 (i've been slacking off over the summer though
I feel the same bro
I actually started because I’ve lost hope in my home nation 😂
你为啥要学习中文？你以前跟华人真说话过吗🤦
@@Mark-4158 你为什么这么生气？
I’m a China watcher, and I like what I’m seeing
🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
You should try flying that flag you have in your picture over in China. Maybe you'll like seeing that.
@@thatguythere98 lol they have gender affirming care and Chengdu is basically the LGBTQIA capital of China.
I kept hearing in the news about how the EU and probably also the UK are putting huge tariffs on chinese electric cars to stop them "undercutting" European made EVs. But how do they expect young and poor people to buy electric cars when they all sell for like £40k new!?
They don't expect you to buy EVs, they don't even expect you to buy cars. Own nothing, be happy.
China's game is about scaling investment & manufacturing - they have big population and thrive to make it efficient.
US's game is about scaling media output - politicians will have to blame and drag the time and laws, because the "old" system is lobbying up the government.
We could have had $10k electric cars, but instead we got oil subsidies and protectionism.
No you couldn’t
@3:47 interestingly enough I was in Zhuzhou this past winter, and around every one in ten cars had a green license plate denoting EV status. It's pretty surprising to me how fast and popular EV adoption in China is, especially considering that Zhuzhou is a relatively small 3rd-tier city. The proportion of EVs on Zhuzhou roads seemed even higher than in the major tech hub Seattle where I live.
I was in Guangzhou a few months back, a tier 1 city. It felt like over 50% of all vehicles had the green license plate.
那你已经知道那些有那么多正在因为习近平要中国有"new quality productive forces"
@@adamrosendahl8090 Guangzhou is one of the stronghold of electric cars
Forgot to include Taiwan on the map 😭
Why does it matter?? (I have no idea if your comment was ironic)
Well Taiwan is internationally recognized as part of the PRC by everybody (except those who don't recognize the PRC at all) but the island effectivly administers itself with Bejing having no direct influence on internal affairs in Taiwan.
@@uwo100 it's basics respect for international law.
@@uwo100 Basically comes down to internal Chinese issues and also siding with a government that is somewhat suspected of human rights violations vs a government that can't recognize it's own war crimes and genocide
I find it funny how 10 years ago nobody cared about taiwan being or not being its own sovereign state, but now after 6 years of red scare propaganda suddenly a lot of people care whether or not you showcase taiwan on a map or not 🤔
China's very Chinese I think.
More than any other places.
Impossible, how could that be?!
That's because you haven't been to the chinatown in my city.
In my town we have Chinese food restaurants. I love to eat Chinese food. In China they just call it food.
No shit Sherlock.
The policies put through matters more than 'demographics.' There are countries more homogenous than China but that aren't as successful as China.
BBC: But at what cost
As a German it makes me really sad that the neoliberal government around 2011 decided to give up our technological advantage in solar energy. Most of our great researchers all went to China where they got the financial support from the government
Well,didn’t China dumped the market with cheap solar panels making that company to fail and them was bought by a chinese company ?
China was already winning by 2011... We just hadn't realised yet.
(I VERY much doubt you had "An Advantage" even if you THOUGHT you did)
It's akin to US Politicians today saying "WE have an advantage in Semiconductors" in the same week that China reveals Photonic Chips ready for production.
Congrats on finding a sponsor.
"China is the factory of the world" So this explains a lot about the pollution issue there. Large Western brands are located as industrial hubs, basically China pollutes for them and for the rest of the world that consumes the products produced there, which sometimes have western purpose
If you don't like it, don't buy it. 🤯
@@Mark-4158 Much, _much_ easier said than done.
@@miro.georgiev97 Yet, Mahatma Gandhi - an activist on whom such sentiments were most certainly not lost - still insisted that "[one] must be the change [one] want[s] to see in the world." 🤷
Commenting to feed the algorithm.
Nice comment 👍
@@xspagerI disagree!
@@RoteWelle short point but ultimately agreeing you are adding to the conversation
@@xspager I'm disagreeing even harder now.
@@RoteWelle curse you not because of the disagreement but because I misread something
I want to move to China so bad. I love it.
So you like the social scoring system they have imposed or what?
@@Rotmilan-bb8bk gee, i wonder if anything like that in our country exists...perhaps a credit score of some sort? that basically ensures generational poverty? idk man just hypothesizing!
either way, i bet id ACE that social scoring system. HERE I COME CHINA 🗣
@@Rotmilan-bb8bk also yes to an extent i do. unfortunate that China is like Dengist rn but whatever, id rather put down reactionary forces than allow them to prosper
@@noveled_1 You would be good at following unwritten rules an beeing aware that you are constantly graded by some system? Sound like you would like the world of 1984 to a certain extend.
@@Rotmilan-bb8bkto be fair the general American seems to aspire to that, it's just you never seem to notice what 1984 was warning you about
It is insane that China has deployed more solar capacity in 2023 ALONE more than the US has done for its entire history.
Many of us have talked about creating a new Manhattan Project level to wean the US off fossil fuels, and China is doing that for their own country, at several times the effort. This is what being serious about reducing fossil fuel usage and fighting climate change look like. Real, actionable deeds and deliverables met. No BS, no under the table deals, no saying one thing and doing another. Just straight up doing this sht. China is showing the world what real action and leadership look like, and it is causing a lot of copium and gnashing of teeth in the west.
We have seen the strong leadership of the United States. From the Civil War to the Cold War, the American people were simple and hardworking, and the politicians were visionary and had leadership. The United States has maintained a long-term stable prosperity in science, culture, industry, and technology. But since Reagan, I have rarely seen outstanding leaders. The party struggles in the United States are not serious enough in the eyes of us Chinese. You do not take politics, which is a key issue concerning the fate of the country, seriously. Regarding climate issues and geopolitical issues, as well as many other domestic issues in the United States, such as gun issues, drug issues, and LGBTQ issues, I hope and believe that the United States can solve all of them, but I have to express my concerns.
@@galahadray Reagan paved the way to Hell for the US what are you talking about. He was the one that moved US industries to China and let the richest go tax free. He literally paved the way for the horrible policies we have now.
An addendum about Germany, since it was briefly highlighted positively. The current government reformed our climate protection law and made it far more toothless. Up until now, emissions were divided into different sectors with set targets for reduction and an immediate duty for governmental action, if a sectors targets were not met in the current year. The law had severe problems regarding enforcement, but instead of creating new mechanisms of enforcement or utilising existing laws allowing nationalization of companies etc., they set a common 2030 target for all sectors and the government only has to intervene if targets are not met for two years in a row. This basically allows the government to neglect reform in certain sectors, especially traffic (Speed-Limits, absurd car dependency, high environmental coast of highways, collapsing railway network, etc.) as long as the common target is met. This basically creates an incentive to do the bare minimum legally required, instead of effective, long-term reforms. And this law only regulates national emissions, not even considering other forms of environmental destruction and pollution, or the activity of German companies outside of Germany. The previous targets regarding emissions have never been wholly met and with the reform passing into law, I am almost certain that Germany is on the path to missing every single reduction and neutrality target, no matter how unambitious.
I as a german must veto your coloring of Germany in the context of climate action. Germany removed solar industry subsidies leading to a collapse of the german solar industry, leading not only to a job loss of about 20'000 but also a slower adoption. At the same time every minister in change of transport is a meme for how much they are meddling with the german car industry, also blocking more ambitious legislation in the EU. Meanwhile our liberal party which is part of the current coalition in charge is been sponsored by Porsche...
So please... Germany is not a good example by any standards. It is absolutely great at lip services but when it comes to the nuts and bolts it just worships the carbon profits as much as any other country.
Also removed all NPP's. It's pretty depressing to see that German electricity is 10x more carbon intense than Frances despite all the effort and money Germany has spent on renewables
This is perfect. So very glad you did a deep dive into this!
Let’s goooooo new video!!!
I think you guys might have forgotten to link the sources. It's empty in the description.
Thank god for China
Can you please release the sources you consulted for the contents of this video?
I'm writing a thesis on this topic and it would be helpful to rely on them, thank you.
West should see their per capita CO2 emissions. They are highest despite no manufacturing
China operates on national pride and advancement. We in the US operate on the rich man's pride and pocketbook.
I love your content but I must make a remark, we can't praise this surge in the manufacturing of eletric vehicles. Their manufacturing has very harmful impacts on land and water use :( they are here to save car companies, not the environment. The solution is public transport as some people already noted in the comments!
The fact is that First Thought is a counter to western media first and a comprehensive news outlet 2nd. I think this channel has a lot of good content, but the underlying ideological motivations mean all of us need to do our own research to get a true picture of the situation. Is that the way it should be? Probably not, but that's the reality of this and every news outlet with an ideological bent. Western media sources like CNN, Fox News etc. have the same problem with the opposite politics. In such a world it's up to us to do our own research and also fact-check said research. Even without a profit incentive there'd still be an ideological incentive.
I love your content especially on the second thought, and I acknowledge the fact that US is far worse on every aspect than China, but still the presentation of China is α little beautified. China has also capitalism, although with a better redistribution of wealth. Mr Temu is one of the welthiest persons in China.
One of the good news is that renewables around the world target will get met, but the other stuff that's a different story
Commenting to help you in the algorithm.
This is why I've tied my Retirement Savings Accounts to Climate Change. All of my Investments are basically Renewables/Sustainable, China/One Belt One Road, Vietnam, BRICS, and the Cuba Closed Fund; eyeing the Shared Capital Cooperative, for investing in Cooperative Businesses. As a US Citizen, I have little options for saving for Retirement, but I have no problem chaining myself to this; if we fail we die, so no loss.
I really dislike the map projection which makes the Northern European states look huge.
They aren't.
They are tiny.
While everything here was true, you are missing a really big negative when it comes to China and emissions - over construction. While I am all for over constructing rail lines and city metros, and hey, why not even highways, the absolutely colossal waste of property construction here is deeply depressing. I don't think people understand just how many empty properties there are here. Not just the unsold ones but also those bought as "investments" and left as husks. Outside of the tier one cities - so including many cities in the 10M+ population size - a large proportion of properties built in the last 20 years never got to the stage of getting floors and furnishings. Estimates vary but we looked at some places that were built 18 years ago a couple of weeks ago and after asking was told buy the landlord "the occupancy rate here is quite good actually, almost 50%". This is on the outskirts of a bustling provincial capital. Constructing concrete buildings produces massive amounts of carbon and with a dropping population and the significant part of moving to urban centres already done, a huge amount of this is simply wasted. Most of these properties will actually never be lived in.
The government strenuously protects property prices to avoid a panic but it also means prices are staying far too high for young families who don't have rich parents.
The worst part? They are still approving thousands of new developments that may or may not get finished but will certainly never be lived in 😢.
agree with you.😢
What having only Industrialists in your Government does to a mf:
When the Chinese government f'ed up before, in their Great Leap Forward, millions died of starvation. Now, when they stuff up, they over-construct. But at least they are capable to recognising mistakes and taking steps to correct them, as in letting the property bubble deflate which at least slows the pace of any over-construction and dramatically improves housing affordability through the over-supply. What does the US do? Run a record 35trillion deficit to fund an empire that regime changes and kills people in other countries. What did Madeline Albright say about the sanctions that killed 500k Iraqi children? It was worth it. Now that is truely depressing.
Unless every person in China owns a large apartment, there is no such thing as over-building, there is only property prices being too high, something that's being actively rectified to chagrin of western investors.
While China is doing a lot, it's far from enough (which is true world over). Net zero by 2060 won't cut it if we want to limit global warming to a reasonable level
Damn, that was such a good show. The ending was perfect, especially with the music.
at 9:15 there was an interesting line beneath the highlighted section, "all of these targets are severely off track after 2023". I was hoping that might have got a mention, but I suspect it’s not too big a deal as the general point feels more “at least china is trying to do something about this”.
No, because even if so, it's still the one doing the most, by a long shot, and the only one meeting the goals.
the article attributes this to the effects of the covid pandemic
which I think is a pretty reasonable excuse to have
I'm sure china isn't the only country impacted by covid in a way that makes it harder to meet its climate targets
it seems china has in the past been very reasonable with their goals; meeting, surpassing, maybe occasionally falling just short of them
and I dont think that there is any indication that these short term effects of the pandemic will replace their track record to become the new normal or anything
China is predicted to decrease carbon emissions this year or in 2025, and that's according to Western sources. China's original date for this was 2030. So they bounced back hard particularly with solar installation after the pandemic.
At 9:08 as the PRC's goals are highlighted, the document on screen (which is uncredited) states directly after listing them, that »all of these targets are severely off track after 2023«. I'm not mentioning this to invalid the argument, but in the interests of balance and clarity, it may be worth mentioning both the source quoted, and to what extent this claim is accurate (or not). In this context, the verbal claim at 16:47 that ambitious targets have (in part) been met ahead of schedule needs to weighed against what the viewer has seen in minute nine.
To make it clear, this is meant as a constructive criticism to provide clarity, and *not* an ideological attack on the basic premise of the video.
seeing rising divorce rates as a bad thig is weird
Of course it depends. If economic and mental wellness issues are the drivers then it's a problem.
Least mentally-ill western leftist lol. Rising divorce rates is a really bad thing for a society, normal people can understand that.
In a healthy society people don't marry untill their relationship is very stable. So the divorce rate should be low.
If it is high it can indicate a economic motive. And or a lot of circumstances that are destabilizing relationships. I.e. high working hours, poor healthcare, poor mental health environment, lack of mental health care. No right to disconnect ect.
The capitalist class pretends these things are not related, but if you decouple your brain from propaganda. More stress plus less time results in more divorce.
I think for china it may be a sign of higher economic freedom for women.
@@JasonAtlas thats bad
Two points: 1. Can you tackle the other problem from oil production: Plastics? and 2. I'm not sure if this was an AI editing glitch, but the narrative was very choppy and not your usual quality.
You forgot sources!
When one's coverage is "a mile wide and an inch deep," there are no specific sources.
@@Mark-4158 when one is also a "leftist" political advocacy with dubious funding spouting blatant CCP propaganda while heavily criticizing everyone else, yeah you should have sources if you want to be taken seriously
Manufacturing of polysilicon for solar panels - The process produces large amounts of waste, including chlorinated compounds, silicon tetrachloride, and hydrochloric acid. Silicon tetrachloride is highly toxic and can acidify soil and emit toxic fumes when it comes into contact with water. For every ton of polysilicon produced, three to four tons of silicon tetrachloride waste is created.
This does feel like it should be a second thought video. Pretty great nevertheless (or never the less? I'm not a native english speaker)
I'm a native english speaker, and I think its how you spelled it (no spaces), but I don't think that's a big faux pas in the realm of grammar errors.
Actually, in this context it would be 'nonetheless'. I don't actually know why, even though I'm a native english speaker. =P
This is a very comprehensive video!
Is 996 still the standard for Chinese workers? Have things gotten any better for workers lately?
*Please read > This isn't a blanket condemnation of China. No country is perfect. This is not an endorsement of the US or US worker's rights(or lack thereof).
Solidarité 🇻🇳 🇵🇸✊
Why would it? Trade Unions are illegal
yes in some parts some still have that problem but they are working on it
@@rafl326 cool, thanks
@@rafl326 ARE THEY NOW? WHAT ARE HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP SAYING? F**K YOU
Just to fact-check you, the 996 was something the huge corporations wanted to push in China a couple of years back. The Chinese government has made it illegal for companies to force 996 schedules now.
Another great video! You never disappoint!
China is also trialing Thorium Reactor which won't have radioactive waste to deal with later on.......well much less. Thorium Salt Reactor research actually first started in the u.s but discontinued in the 60s or 70s...
This was a really well done video! Putting content like this out there. Keep it up😊
TH-cam never notifies me for your videos, predictable
Always look forward to your videos. Thanks
im mostly worried about their large predatory fishing operations and black market smuggling of poached animals. Never really understood the criticism of their power grid, theyve been investing in renewables hardest of anyone
China is developing deep-sea pelagic farming technology through science and technology, and in ten years they may no longer need to catch wild fish. But you know, 1.4 billion people, such a huge population, it is still impossible to stop fishing in the short term.
那你更应该关注日本和挪威
I saw a video by an economist admitting that the west working with china instead of sanctioning would be beneficial for climate change. But then he justifies the sanctions by saying "but what if China invades Taiwan and we need to intervene but they threaten to turn off our cars if we do."
@@robertwang2788 ughhhh
The only thing I am weary about is the expansion of nuclear energy. The nuclear sector is by no means clean and it's lobbying is directly linked to the stalling or cancelling of renewable projects, with some of the same heads in nuclear also being heads in fossil industries.
wat
huh
never in my life have I ever heard of the "nuclear lobby"
also
nuclear power may not be clean clean
but nuclear waste and such like really aint the problem everyone makes them out to be
The nuclear sector produces very clean energy, nuclear waste is basically a solved problem and the smoke you see getting out of those big towers is water vapour that was used for cooling.
The stalling thing is actually the other way around, nuclear is being stalled and even rolled back by the coal lobby, with renewable advocates praising those actions.
@@Kleyguerth
A "solved problem". Wait, what? That's news to the planet. You can make a fortune selling that solution.
Or could it be that you don't know what the f you're talking about. Yeah, going to have to go with that option sadly.
@@obione69 It may be news to you, but not to the planet. I won't be earning anything with that solution because it's well known and frankly, not that hard. Kyle Hill has a couple of videos on the matter.
I think you're confusing containing the waste on normal operation with cleaning up disastrous meltdowns. That's hard, not solved and the basis of every argument against nuclear power.
@@Kleyguerth
I'm not confusing anything. You claimed there was some miracle solution to the problem of waste production from nuclear power.
I presume you think spent uranium fuel rods are perfectly safe to just throw in the bin. Or maybe you would volunteer to drink the contaminated coolant they use. They say its "treated" so feel free to drink some.
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China is doing a lot better than the US on renewable energy but we shouldn't glaze, they're not on track to meet their 2060 goal, and thats 10 years beyond what the scientific community agrees is the ultimatum for 50% emissions reductions (per COP28)
When China says, China does. They might be lagging a decade behind, but in 2060 China might have been only country to fulfill its promise for climate change.
China was able to reach its 2030 renewable energy goal just this year.
Solar PV production can result in greenhouse gas and other emissions, mainly from the energy-intensive processes involved in silica mining, silicon processing and purification, wafer production, cell, and module manufacturing.
for the algorithm.
To slap tarifs on Chinese renewable products is not bad as long as you are doing it to protect your own industry developing and expanding renewables. The problem rather is that the tarifs are rather there to protect fossil fuel companies. At some point the world around the EU and the US is so far gone in terms of development that our export markets completely crash. That´s the kind of future we are heading folks.
great video can you please add the source
'...the greatest existential threat the mankind has ever faced..." I shall have that deep wisdom embossed in gold and placed under my desk top glass, right next to the Buddha's Lion's Roar Sermon.
"AT WHAT COST??"
Nonexistent welfare for the poor people, functionally nonexistent protection towards workers being overworked, etc. The Chinese government cares much more about their quota than their citizens.
It's much easier to push for green energies nationally, when they are the ones who have the raw materials, has almost complete control over domestically operating companies including social medias, and allows companies to pay very little to their workers so that they can always compete on price and build upon that.
While i think the advance in green technology should be given priase, I think the video missed the domestic context in China completely, and people don't realize that.
Potentially biased opinion, counter arguments welcome
China has essentially rebuilt its iron bowl welfare system though their anti poverty campaign.
Food and Clothing are assured, education, basic healthcare, and safe housing are guaranteed.
祝福你，美国人
Beware, they're wumaos everywhere
700 million people have been lifted out of extreme poverty since 1980s. Is the Chinese government perfect? No. But has it been doing the right things overall? Yes.
I need more channels to do a analysis videos like this on China and china's history. This really helps remove my western geopolitical viewpoint into something that's more rational and I think it'll help other people too
Yet another banger! Great video
I am a long-term second thought subscriber, but only today this channel showed on my suggestion
This is a comment for the all good rhythm.
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