Flatbed Secuerment: Steel Coil eye to the side securing and tarping @ Maverick
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Being a truck driver we never get paid enough for the hard work we put in.
I've been retired from trucking since 2007 yet operated flatbeds, drop decks and covered wagons. We use to refer to the eye to the side coils as "suicide, " for all obvious reasons and "shotgun" when the eye is in parallel with the length of the trailer.
Suicide is the right term, and shotgun or homicide. And the driver didn’t even secure his loose chains. And if he was complaining about $25 for tarping he can goin another company called western they pay $50
I've driven a dry van for 21 years. I didn't know anything about flat bedding until your videos, thanks. I must say, I would rather just shut the trailer doors and get down the road.....lol
Thank you for showing the process of securement. I am researching Maverick and regional flatbed, so your videos are helpful!
Great job, I'm exhausted just watching this
Three weeks of over the road training and never touched a coil. My first solo run and I picked up a 46600 lbs coil. Took me a lot longer than this to secure it. I've learned a lot watching this! Thank you!
+Silence Do-Good I was lucky in my training, almost got every type of load while with my trainer.
Never be to proud to ask another driver, most of us older guys are willing to help you out.
We're you over weight with that coil?
@@coltwinchester6124 no, but I had no wiggle room either
I'm impressed with your video. You did a good job on this coil. I found it interesting that the shipper expected that coil to be tarped after it had been sitting out in the rain. I was a long time company flatbed driver. But I would never work for a flatbed operation that expected it's drivers to swap trailers and gear. My trailer was MY trailer. I had it set up MY way and with MY goodies... little things like smoke tarps and corner protection, etc... I don't know how you guys with the major carriers do it! Good job!
thats what you get with dropped/preloaded trailers that many shippers demand.
Ya let's keep the coil outside for days o rain etc driver takes the coil , , you must tarm. O guess the rain outside the yard is maybe by something different , stupid shoppers
Every time I watch one of your videos it makes happy that you keep your chains and binders clean and stowed in an orderly fashion. I've watched other trucker videos and the securement devices are just stowed in haphazard manner and they are all dirty and rusty. It ,to me, shows that you have pride in the equipment you have to work with.
+R MacK I like it all looking orderly
that passenger seat looks real orderly too... lmao...
Never safe to load coils on a truck suicide. My dad would never allow coils to be loaded that way on his trailers. All it takes is one snap of the chains during a hard stop and your dead.
Company standard way it's done at Mav.
@@rogerbraasch5224 then you're dad shouldn't be driving. They haul coils like this for years. Ive hauled many of them not one issue at all.
I found this more entertaining than tv. Keep up the hard work. love the video.
+Ernest Floyd Thanks
Hi Dale, I know I'm late to the party but I JUST discovered your videos and wanted to thank you for making them. I'm going to be getting my CDL soon and am looking to join the flatbed brotherhood. Your videos are covering the main thing I'm fearing when I become a trainee.
You may want to look at JB Hunt. They may have a local job for flatbed. They seem to be hiring drivers straight out of school.
I remember having to tarp roof shingles when I was with TMC. Roof shingles!! They're designed to be in the weather!! Even the customer asked me upon delivery, "Why did you tarp that?". I said, "Because they told me to". Crazy.
lol, awesomeness
Because Todd is a ass clown!
In winter it makes sense cuz salt but in summer yeah fuck that
1 steel tarp will do.
Phil Harris, it’s the difference between “used” shingles and brand new. A new car might get scuffed by the buyer, but until then, key areas get protection.
That always pissed me off, the coils stay out in the weather in the yard for months, but if it gets loaded on a truck all of a sudden it becomes weather sensitive and has to be tarped
My because of road debri can get on it and mess up the coil
Railroads used to haul those coils exposed for many decades. This century, they have a metal house they lay on top of them.
Very clean job, not a lot of wasted motion. Nice work Dale!
love your instructional videos been doing this a long time but always willing to refresh and learn .Never too old to keep gaining knowledge new ways
I feel the same way, i am always learning
I am new driver in canada, your video is so helpful thanks
Didn’t know coils were that heavy, always wondered why only one was on the truck. Awesome job to you and all the other cdl drivers!
There are heavier but the truck can not go over weight, did it for years, now I'm doing a more demanding job, 9 car carrier, crazy
Great securement and tarping video as always Mr. Dale. I've had 5 loads so far with maverick n all has been tarp except one. And it has been taking me hours to load n tarp lol. Then I just got a multi load with 3 stop with 5 40 inch coils. So I really needed that video thanks again Mr. Dale
+hillrobert889 No problem. Good luck.
It is very unfortunate that most drivers that only haul steel coils with eyes to the side of the trailer rarely or occasionally do not secure them properly. For example, in this video, the 2 chains going straight across the coil are useless. Why? You have to think about the dynamics of how that coil is going to try to move during transport. The most important item to consider and protect against is forward movement in case of a hard or emergency stop. In CFR 49 section 393.120 , the law is very specific: The chains securing those coils must be at an angle of no more than 45 degrees. This is the angle of the chain to the deck. In this video, the angle is closer to 55 or even 60 degrees, completely illegal and from a practical point, useless. Why? Because if the angle is greater than 45 degrees, you have greatly decreased the holding power of the chain against forward movement of that coil. Additionally, chain WLL must be respected. In California, before they changed the law to mimic the federal law, it specified that coils 5,000 to 15,000 required 1 chain to the rear and one chain to the front. Coils 15,000 to 25,000 required 2 chains to the rear and 1 chain to the front. Coils over 25,000 required 3 chains to the rear and 2 chains to the front. Again, each chain must be angled 45 degrees or less, and only one chain allowed per anchor point. Now, it does not specific the quantity because it is counting on and assuming the driver will be respecting the chain WLL, which is what those numbers were based upon. And yes, I have hauled 54,000 coils before, and I used 4 chains to the rear and 3 chains to the front. Remember, the most important thing to consider when hauling steel coils, or any heavy coil product, is how is that coil going to try to move in an emergency, then use common sense to protect against that.
My dad had used no more than 5 chains on one side of the coil and 5 more chains on the other side. In his career as a long distance trucker, he never had a claim against him.
Excellent video, very professional and safety minded. You are a great example of the flatbed industry.
Excellent video Dale! I enjoyed seeing the process from beginning to end.
+Sterff89 Thanks
I used to pick up Slinky's in Perth Amboy, and they would pick them up out of the frozen mud with snow on them... and I would have to tarp it. Eventually I learned it was for road salt protection, but it sure seemed strange at the time. BTW I got $25.00 to tarp back in '96 as a company driver, o/o's got $100.00.
Keep the great videos coming.. I appreciate your quality in your video as well as audio... tomorrow's my first day solo flatbed... awesome ....oh yeah your speed is on point too.
I'd rather tarp a coil than a load of lumber. Nice job and another good video. Stay safe!
+hindsight57 Thanks, and I agree.
Enjoy watching your videos. Good job and thanks for all the time you put in to prepare and upload them.
+Steve Woodbridge Your welcome and thanks for the kind words.
Awake at 5am watching an old Dale Clay securement video. Bring the videos back, let’s see more of your JB hunt life.
4:51am reading video reply's.
You are a credit to your company and the industry. WELL DONE
Great video thanks for publishing! Just put my application in @Maverick today. Will graduate end of June w CDL class. Hope to see it live!
I use to love when the shipper tells me they have to be tarped when they’ve been sitting outside in the elements for weeks or months at a time
You ever hear of road grime? I bet you wash that shit off your truck! Little different when you get it on material suck as a coil
@@truck554099, you ever hear of Nucor, genius? Coils rusted,sitting a foot deep in the mud and you're talking about road grime, 😂.
@@TheRoadhammer379 hay genius yes I have heard of coils being in 5 feet of mud. And still had to tarp it and then delivered it and they put it back in 5 feet of mud. But guess what it still had to be tarped from point a to b.
"why do i care about tarps that arent mine? Because theyre my responsibility"
They just dont make men like they used to... I was born in the wrong generation lol. Thank god for my old school, hard ass military parents. Stay safe out there brother.
So.. I have 8 years cdl driving experience and about a month flatbedding. never hauled a coil before. did some training when I started here. I just drove 4 hours empty up to this place in Mississippi to load. They won't load me because I've never physically hauled a coil. That's what I get for asking the loader a simple question. had my company and broker call and they won't load me. makes no sense to me. I got no problem chaining. watched this video earlier bc I was curious about tarping tho. Just at a loss for words right now with the way I was treated today. I'm usually home Fridays in Minnesota. this just totally screws up my weekend picking up my kids. I'm gonna get my ass chewed by their mother for sure... Thanks for these helpful videos tho. Guess I better keep my mouth shut from now on.
+Patrick Dolan Dude, that is a bummer. Especially when it effects family time.
With all due respect, think about it for a minute. You will be transporting a extremely heavy object that ways up to 50,000 that if you slam on the brakes will want to roll forward and will literally flatten your truck. Period. That is the reality of it. Hauling steel coils is nothing to take lightly. NO ONE should ever haul a heavy steel coil with the eye to the side (suicide, crossed-side) without first being trained on one. It is that dangerous.
When I started trucking or hauling coils we didnt have all these you tube truckers to show us stuff, you asked other drivers and used common sense.
If Maverick was so concerned about doing things safely why are they still using snap over binders? Wait until on comes undone and you are in the way .
@@johnt715 thought he said 5k lbs..not 50...
On your patch job I learned not to use square patches but cut round ones. This way there is no real edge to pull up on. On a square patch you have the 4 pointed ends to start to peel from if thatmakes any sense
+maddogmaz1576 Understandable
He was able to get this done in less than an hour. That's good for whatever tarp pay you get. At least it ain't a couple of hours then it wouldn't be worth it.
Enjoy the video Learn a lot thanks
I will stick to my Conestoga alot easier and you did a decent job chaining and tarping but I would like to give you a few pointers if you don't mind , I know they probably taught you how to chain but they are probably desk jockies , a good rule to remember is the less chain you use on the side the better for your safety, good video , nice job
And why is that if you don't mind me asking??
You deserve more subscribers dale you’re an og
Very kind of you.
Cool... if Maverick would allow a cat on the truck, I would sign on in a heartbeat and go flat-beddin'!
That coil was sure well secured,you are more safety aware than we are over here there is no way that a u.k driver would put 6 chains on one coil, an interesting video my friend.keep safe down the road.
+mick higgy Thanks Mic, avoid those coil haulers over there then, be safe.
This is how ya load a coil or two! Boys and girls! This is how i was taught in Philadelphia PA.
🎶 “ if your happy and you know it, clap your feet” 🎶 11:07
Hey Dale, this was great. Thanks for the POV securing and tarping, I learned something.
+mokpot cool
Mokpot somebody watches lot of porn
Some shippers pay like $150 tarping and $150 unarping
3 maverick and no body says hi 😂
+Wayne Patterson Busy working in the rain, not the best Hi weather.
Thanks for the tip on tarping the coil maybe mine will look a little better from now on
+Lee Hill I am still improving technique right along with you.
I might no agree with home these mega carriers threat their drivers or pay them but I do respect how they train you properly to strap sht down.
Thanks for the vids, I'm new to flatbed and picking up coil in the am
+Jason Robinson cool, just FYI, this is not an instructional video. Just a video record of how I do it. Good luck with your coil.
So, the video starts, I see coils sitting out in the yard, in the elements (some appear to have light surface rust), and I'm about to type the question "why in THE hell would you spend time tarping them." ... and then you deliver your punchline before the logo bumper rolls. PRICELESS! --- I'm assuming it's a company policy to tarp all loads? For appearances? For fuel economy?
Tarping a load that already got rain on it lol it so doesn’t make sense 🤦🏻♂️
"the customer's always right"
I've tarped rocks and bricks before smh. ROCKS! decorative garden ROCKS!
Eye to the side... first I've heard that but I like it.
This way is better of known as suicide loading, and reversed is shotgun loading.
+Tyler Chauvin Correct. One is the terms listed on paperwork, the other is slang.
Suicide is scary can’t call it that no more lol
Great job, can i make a suggestion? You could use way less bungi cords if you would instead of 1 bungi per tarp D ring you would bungi the bottom D ring and then go into the rub rail come up and hook into the top D ring, this would get the job done with less bungi cords and in less time, in turn gettin out of the rain quicker too .Just a suggestion.
These are old, I bungee different now, but thanks for the suggestion.
This is very helpful. Thanks!
Why didn’t you strap a 4x4 over the front of the tarp to keep air from getting under it??
Those snap binders make me nervous... I like the ratcheting ones a little better...
great video quality BTW....
+Paris Russell I hear that a lot.
While the ratchet binders are safer and in theory can get a stronger pull, when you are chaining and unchaining 4-6 times per day, you appreciated snap binders.
Nice chain & tarp job. Always amazes me we all do those jobs slightly different . And we each prefer different things too securement wise. Cool vid liked the helmet cam too. Stay safe
+Darren Catenacci Thanks
Snap binders? My company never allowed us to use those. I also never had to tarp a load since I had a conestoga trailer. Best thing if all you do is haul coils!
I know this is an old video but for new people wanting to learn they need to know a few things....
First and foremost.... NEVER pull the binder pipe toward your head! Always pull to the side of your head. If something lets loose a sore shoulder is better than a busted up head/face!
This guy does way more work than needed! Too much up and down from the trailer. Get up on it and get what you need done then get down and finish. Real simple.
Don’t hook into the pocket. Use the spools. The weight rating is higher. Plus you can half link. I’m sure someone has a video of how to do that on here. I find it hard to believe Mav taught it this way.
Last but most important.... always have your stuff ready! Don’t be the idiot holding up the show because you were to lazy or stupid to not have your chains and binders out and ready to go!
Some people turn securement into a career change.... don’t be that person! Get in, get it done, get out.... it’s really that simple!
1 pocket is usually rated at 5500lbs..on 2 pockets you hooked 2 chains and now you have put 11000 on them pockets that are rated at 5500lbs...ijs
BILLY Gomez , in the UK back in the day my dad strapped the chain all around the trailer chassis so the chain supports it self which is better than pockets only thing is you need alot longer chain. Did this type of wrk back in the 80s with my dad in my teens great stuff though trucking has changed over the decades.
U rite I use one spool an one pocket that should be more that enough. An my chains rated at 6,700 pound
Nice video. Just be aware of the center chain does not count as 90 degrees to the rail counts as 0 securement. I hauled steel for 5 years and now haul construction equipment like dozers and back hoes. They had a dot trap setup at Windsor, Ontario scale and were dinging coil haulers for that center chain. I think its a great idea to seat the coils tight in the bunk but the government do not..45,160 pounds oh my god! Just notice that on the coil. You need 3 back chains pulling back and 2 pulling front on less than 90 deg. Have to take into account 1/2 securement and the 80 percent of total forward movement of gravity. If you count the center chains in this video I cna see why you think is works out but they do not count if (DOT inspectors). Always add an extra back chain in case you need to brake suddenly. Be careful out there. One more thing.... They need a strap over the top of the coil. What a stupid idea but that's dots requirement. 2 straps over shotgun style coil.....
+gereral1 Interesting
I just read the dot drivers securment manual about this and General1 is Right!
Great Video. Great Job
I like all the racks under that nugget from a loaders standpoint, and all the chains too. Yep. That ones pretty oscelated on the id. I've seen better wraps. Black iron i think.
Nice job! Tarping very quick! 5+ 👍
+Dilshod Ismailov Thanks
Now i see why you are not concerned about exercising, looks like a pretty good workout for the day.
+terry sennhenn The interesting thing is that I like the working outside part..... most times.
Man, I would need a 4 hours rest, Up and Down, Haul them chain, and tie down, Tarp are not light, Yep, You do not need the gym, and I like the chap suggestion of safety glasses, if one of them bungee let go, it's your eye sight, please protect it. Again a great video, love the way you tarp and tuck under at front, make senses since the wind pressure will push it down, at back, there is suction which would pull the excess out.
Tarping right. I'm shipping water jet heads right now and they paid 150 to tarp the load.
Ratchet binders take forever but they're safer than this other ones you have in my opinion..I've seen severe cuts from the bar and I've seen the bar fly and hit ppl and trks also
5:20 that coil is messing with your chain 🤣🤣
Knowledge is good.
If I had to tarp that coil that tarp would be flapping in the breeeze by the time I got out of the yard, I always sucked at tarping. I guess it makes it easier when you have the right tarps
$25 MEASLY DOLLARS??? You should be paid $100 for all that prep work... Holy Crap!
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Using a double spool if chain tight 10,000 lbs one spool n state pocket 4000 lbs state pocket 5400 lbs printed on trailors didn’t see I single double spool chain but nice video
nice job great work
DAM DALE #YR GOOD #MAVERICK SHOULD BE PROUD #SAFE TRAVELS
+Dame Dollars Appreciated, be safe in all you do.
That coil was already coming uncoiled from the center. They should have banded it before putting it on the yard.
I just hsve to ask. These coils are not to get wet? Yet there stored in s field. I know you called it Coil land,but where are they made? How did they get to this open field.... Also the way you fold tarps at the end ,dictates how easily it goes on.
Good video! Its peculiar that they store the coils outside in the weather but want it tarped for the ride.
+klc317 It's a mystery sometimes
That's what I noticed as well. It doesn't make any sense.
There's no road salt and ice melt chem in the rain........
It is called road grime, oil fuel salt you name it that is why it needs tarped
What i sont like is all the coils and same another tipe.of loqd they are outside but once we load they want us to tarp, that make sense???
Ya, sometimes shippers and relievers don't make sense. Coils ok, in fresh water rain, but don't do well with road salts. I believe that is why they tarp.
In one of these videos a cop said that with eye to the side using 2 chains. To cross them in the eye is legally unacceptable. I strongly disagree with that thinking. If you have 2 chains on a coil and one breaks in not crossed that coil will wind up in the sleeper. If crossed and one chain breaks the remaining chain has a chance to hold the coil. Till you get stopped and fix it. I would trust my EXPERIENCE over anyone's judgement who's never seen the inside of a truck.
Also, is that tarp cloth? I remember TMC used some kind of vinyl or something. It was heavy. I think there was an 80 lb and a 100 lb. tarp. Yours looks like cloth. Looks lighter.
fast on feet slow in seat ? LOL I like it!
great content
Nice video but for 6 hrs that tar-ping would have cost them dearly and it’s been sitting in the rain before you picked it up
The flap on the side on the rear is going to be a problem
That wrapping it around the stack pocket like that is no good ive had the welds bust from doing that
Where should they be wrapped?
awesome job man
Dude you need to get some coil tarps
That's one way to get in your 10,000 steps...
I just wondered if you have a preference ...because if I recall correctly,, last time you had the coil on a skid and it was turned the other way so that you could chain and then strap it accordingly over the top.
+Superior Signs My preference is shotgun. But the receiver dictates that based on their unloading capabilities
Only reason I ask is because the Mill Numbers on the side of the coils look similar to what I see at WI.
I see a j-channel here,just curious why the don't use j-hooks?I run coils and we use all j-hooks.I had 2-46,000 lb coils the other day and can chain down in about 20 minutes max.However I always have my coil rack and chains set up,we just chain down our coil racks when we're empty.
Great exercise that's for sure...and lucky it's not raining ?
+Jimmy T Very true. Very rare for me to be out in Bad Weather. Which is suprising.
That way of loading coils is called suicide. There is not a 100% way to be sure the chains won't snap and slam into your cab killing you. If the coils roll backwards, a car gets a windshield full of a very heavy coil weighing from 20,000 pounds to 40,000 pounds. Your trailer needs a barrier to protect the driver. I know this from experience from being the son of an Independent Truck Driver who owned his owned trucks and drop deck trailers (helps him haul tall loads under bridges and gives the driver an element of safety if a coil breaks free). Fortunately, Dad never had a coil break free and never had a claim against any of his loads.
Helpful 😎
Good job, safety first
That seems like a lot of chains for one coil I mean you can never overchain I guess... I also noticed that you didn't do one at a 45° angle in the front and back which will prevent rolling a lot better
A lot of chains when you have 20+ tons of steel behind your truck??
You should read the FMCSA regulations on suicide coil securement, "when at all possible, the angle of the tie-down to the deck should be less than 45°". Why would you want a chain intentionally exerting forward force on an object that when the brakes are applied, already wants to move with forward momentum? 25 yrs on a stepdeck and skateboard, and your comment worries me.
Good viewing. I bet it took longer to secure and sheet the coil than it to load onto the trailer.
+Paul Whitear Every time
Ratchet binders are way too slow . I wish I had snaps.
Great video do more like these thanks
+Terry harney As often as time allows.
I don't understand ... if the coils are stored outside , why do they have to be kept dry for transport on the truck ??
The shipper doesn't care, but the customer may want to keep road grime (winter road salt) off their product is all I can think...then when I get a similar load and show-up to a consignee, just to see how of their coil sitting outside exposed, and rusted to shit...so at the end of the day, it's anyones guess as to why they require tarps for product that's already been sitting outside.
why doesn't
he bundle the excess chain up with bungee cords?
If they need the coils to be dry, why are they storing them outside on the wet ground with no covering?
Protection, is usually from road salts and such.
@@DaleLClay Oh, I see.
Hey man like your video, filling out my app today.
Sweet coil bag bro