...I was 5 years old in 1958...buses like this ran on the street in front of our house in south Denver...I remember riding them downtown with my Dad...
I also think the unique sound of the 4-71 (and the 4-53 as well) is because unlike most inline-4 engines (whether gas or diesel) it has a crossplane crankshaft rather than the more common flatplane type; crossplane crankshafts are most common on V-8s, and the design type is why the V-8s sound the way they do.
WOW! Man u did this right lol U actually got the changing of the gear . That really slamed me back to the days , even thou it was a oven on wheels during the summer lol . We had very few of theses in AC lol , and then very few worked of them that was AC lol . And yes a frig in the winter , those were the days :-) Nicely done .....
OMG! Bus 102?? I must have ridden this bus a hundred times back in the day. I was nerdy enough to keep track of the bus numbers that ran the routes past my house. It's gonna be good to see the old warrior at the VMT next time I drop in.
I think the paint may be wrong inside. 102 was a light green ceiling and darker green below the windows as I remember it. The last batch to come in 1960 where different inside. Light blue ceiling and below the windows/windshield the color we see here. I lived in Villa Heights in 1958 and 106 came up there rotating with two 1947 Mack C-41's. 303 and 311. One of the Melrose/Rugby coaches was a GM 3714 new in 1958 with the others being 1947 AFC-Brill coaches. I'm rather sure one was 208 as my folks new the driver. Of course in 1959 when 101 to 110 came new, they were yellow and red outside. But without the strips the 1947 Mack's and Brills had. And the old 1941-2 Mack's they replaced. 111 was a used GM intercity bus bought used about 1956 to run on the Salem Express when one of the 20 1947 C-41 Mack's was junked after colliding with a Roanoke City firetruck, knocking the fleet down to 19 of the 41 passenger big buses for Roanoke. In 1959 112 through what? 119? were added and some of the dozens of AFC-Brills were sold. 1960 a few more 3714s came new and a few more AFC-Brills were parked. Then in 1964 the first order of GM 3501 came which had the turn signal on the left side of the wheel and a number of the C-41 Mack's were parked. The next year more 3501s resulted in only 3 Mack's left including 319 and 303 and a handful of Brills. In 1966, used GM diesels from Lynchberg (as I recall it) arrived mainly as school buses and the last 3 Mack C-41's were gone in 1966 and the big fleet of AFC-Brill buses was now down to just two coaches which were kept, one mechanic told me, out of fondness of the heyday of Safety Motor, until Roanoke Valley took over and the two remaining Brills were gone in 1974. They were 27 years old then or 26 if they were part of the 1948 batch. But I'm sure I remember one being 202 which would be a 1947. In 1975 some if not all the 1958 GM's were parked and I remember being sad when I saw 106 being junked, some of it's parts being removed and thinking "I still remember seeing this very bus going down Melrose Avenue (Villa Heights/Morningside) brand new!! Where did the time go? It's been 18 years". My dad remembered when the C-41 Macks arrived in late 1947. They were touted as the most modern bus in Roanoke history with a completely automatic transmission. The older Mack's had an air assist stick shift and the AFC-Brills, which were also new in 1947 but smaller than the 47 Mack's, were still shift with a clutch. They were rather speedy getting around town but because the engine was not in the back, but pancacked under the floor, they had to get them off the road with snow hit Roanoke as they easily were stuck or spun excessively, so the reduced snow schedule ended up moving some C-41 Macks to routes that normally had a Brill on them. But hey it was exciting for me to see "WASENA" or "VINTON" in the destination window of a Mack for a change!!! There was one Brill that would rotate across the routes which had Mack C-41's on them. The one or ones that were completely painted as a rolling billboard. One that ran on the Villa Heights/Morningside run twice a week for a month or so that I waiting to bicycle around so I could ride a Brill for a chance and Mr. McBride seems unhappy to be shifting gears and said "I want my Mack back" was completely painted from windshield to back windows for Heironimous which was at the corner of Jefferson and Church then in the old Thurman and Boone building.
Glad to see the information.Would really like to see a book on Roanoke transit. I put a few pictures on flickr and the Roanoke library has some on flickr and there is old Roanoke back on the web.SMT had one ACF Brill painted for WSLS radio ( they even installed a radio with speakers all the way down the inside the roof)I don't remember the number, but Brill 210 &242 were painted pink and white with ads for Top Value Stamps.I loved the Brills I lived on 9th Street s.e. and that was Brill country.
oldie146 Now that you mentioned it I too remember the Brills painted for Top Value Stamps and the one for WSLS. There is one Brill in bad shape and two Mack's in need of restoration at the bus museum out on Campbell Ave beyond 13th st. SW. When I rode SMT as a kid and early to mid teen, I always was on a Mack bus untill 106 GM came on the Villa Heights-Morningside route. But I still had a 2 in 3 chance of getting a Mack (106,303 & 311) were the busses usually on the route after 1958 thru 1964 or 5. But I too liked the speedy Brills. When I was in the mood to ride one I would catch Melrose bus and get off as close to Villa Heights as possible and walk the rest of the way. We did get Brills on our route when those fully painted Brills for Top Value would rotate over to my route so people up and down the route could read the ads. There is some film on You Tube showing the school bus signs being attached to Brills and Mack's in 1959. How can I see your pictures?
So glad to see all of these TH-cam vidoes of these. This one in particular sound very strong.."as school buses"..ever see Hairspray, set in Baltimore MD? Set in 1962? Tracy Turnblad and her firends ride one as a school bus (in the early fishbowl years..)
En mi país de Puerto Rico éste tipo de autobús en lo 60's y 70's todavía recorría mucho en las calles hasta principios de lo 80's y luego los eliminaron... Pero marcaron mucho en esas epocas y estos yo viajaba... ¡¡QUE RECUERDOS!!
Jose Vidal Me acuerdo que la AMA tenia esos autobuses, me acuerdo una vez y que estaban en servicio hasta el 1989 en especial una vez la vi en la desaparecida 91E de San Juan a Bayamon, pero en configuracion del rolo sencillo y fondo rojo, las renumeraron a 72XXX en vez de 54XXX que era el numero original, eran de color verde y nunca las pintaron de rojo con amarillo o de azul y blanco (las penepes) como algunos la llamaban. Yo me monte para el 1988 en la ruta 19 justamente en la parada del McDonald de Vista Hermosa y la unidad era 72601. Me sorprendio que las alcancias Keene caian perfectamente en el autobus con motor en linea 6-71 detroit diesel.
OK... Te acuerdas de los modelos Mack que hubieron en los 60's y estuviero hasta principios de los 70's de doble foco y el cristal delantero parecido al de Flexible?? Cuando niño las llegué a ver y una de esas viaje desde donde era el Antiguo Hospital de la Juliat ''ya desaparecido'' hasta Rio Piedras. De esos modelos Mack en autobuses que he visto en You Tube, solamente los que se parecen mucho al modelo GM pero los de doble foco del 1959-60 no los he visto.
Those older transmissions do that, because the engine revs up so high so quickly, that's why they sound almost alike. The same happens with fishbowls with 8V71 with those older VH transmissions, and you're used to it being a 6V71. Only in the brief period of acceleration or deceleration when the rpms are lower, you can make out the subtle difference. First time ever hearing a DD-powered old look with other than a 6-71. Since 4-71 old looks seems to be rare, I hope this wasn't one of the ones destroyed in the fire.
Humandobermangrr, thank you for the positive compliment. As far as the latter, feel free to donate a top-of-the-line Nikon professional camera with tripod and CD-ROM tutorials and two big ol' cups of Shut Up to our worthy cause!
Nice bus poorly done video. Hold the damn camera still I saw more of whats OUTSIDE the bus than the bus itself and get a better camera the audio sucked. Less talking I want to enjoy the ride not listen to people gab all day. Otherwise, nice bus :D
hee hee..after reading here somebody's harking back to the days when this model was an oven in summer and fridge in winter, his shaky filming suits this brute j u s t fine! I l o v e how he tries capturing refections of the very bus he's riding in all that fenestration he's passing by..we suppose you must also wish he'd overlaid m u z a k to this here recording of his, _eh.. .. . ._
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In Cuba we had that wonderful bus , from1960 they have to run without pieces to 1976 .Automatic ,aire suspensión ,contable , I love them .
...I was 5 years old in 1958...buses like this ran on the street in front of our house in south Denver...I remember riding them downtown with my Dad...
Man that 4-71 sounds like a 6-71 & a 8V71N at the same time. Love it.
TheCRTman wow it's like i read your mind XD
Well you might think of it as one bank of an 8V71.
@@1575murray Right
I also think the unique sound of the 4-71 (and the 4-53 as well) is because unlike most inline-4 engines (whether gas or diesel) it has a crossplane crankshaft rather than the more common flatplane type; crossplane crankshafts are most common on V-8s, and the design type is why the V-8s sound the way they do.
WOW! Man u did this right lol U actually got the changing of the gear . That really slamed me back to the days , even thou it was a oven on wheels during the summer lol . We had very few of theses in AC lol , and then very few worked of them that was AC lol . And yes a frig in the winter , those were the days :-) Nicely done .....
OMG! Bus 102?? I must have ridden this bus a hundred times back in the day. I was nerdy enough to keep track of the bus numbers that ran the routes past my house. It's gonna be good to see the old warrior at the VMT next time I drop in.
I think the paint may be wrong inside. 102 was a light green ceiling and darker green below the windows as I remember it. The last batch to come in 1960 where different inside. Light blue ceiling and below the windows/windshield the color we see here. I lived in Villa Heights in 1958 and 106 came up there rotating with two 1947 Mack C-41's. 303 and 311. One of the Melrose/Rugby coaches was a GM 3714 new in 1958 with the others being 1947 AFC-Brill coaches. I'm rather sure one was 208 as my folks new the driver. Of course in 1959 when 101 to 110 came new, they were yellow and red outside. But without the strips the 1947 Mack's and Brills had. And the old 1941-2 Mack's they replaced. 111 was a used GM intercity bus bought used about 1956 to run on the Salem Express when one of the 20 1947 C-41 Mack's was junked after colliding with a Roanoke City firetruck, knocking the fleet down to 19 of the 41 passenger big buses for Roanoke. In 1959 112 through what? 119? were added and some of the dozens of AFC-Brills were sold. 1960 a few more 3714s came new and a few more AFC-Brills were parked. Then in 1964 the first order of GM 3501 came which had the turn signal on the left side of the wheel and a number of the C-41 Mack's were parked. The next year more 3501s resulted in only 3 Mack's left including 319 and 303 and a handful of Brills. In 1966, used GM diesels from Lynchberg (as I recall it) arrived mainly as school buses and the last 3 Mack C-41's were gone in 1966 and the big fleet of AFC-Brill buses was now down to just two coaches which were kept, one mechanic told me, out of fondness of the heyday of Safety Motor, until Roanoke Valley took over and the two remaining Brills were gone in 1974. They were 27 years old then or 26 if they were part of the 1948 batch. But I'm sure I remember one being 202 which would be a 1947. In 1975 some if not all the 1958 GM's were parked and I remember being sad when I saw 106 being junked, some of it's parts being removed and thinking "I still remember seeing this very bus going down Melrose Avenue (Villa Heights/Morningside) brand new!! Where did the time go? It's been 18 years". My dad remembered when the C-41 Macks arrived in late 1947. They were touted as the most modern bus in Roanoke history with a completely automatic transmission. The older Mack's had an air assist stick shift and the AFC-Brills, which were also new in 1947 but smaller than the 47 Mack's, were still shift with a clutch. They were rather speedy getting around town but because the engine was not in the back, but pancacked under the floor, they had to get them off the road with snow hit Roanoke as they easily were stuck or spun excessively, so the reduced snow schedule ended up moving some C-41 Macks to routes that normally had a Brill on them. But hey it was exciting for me to see "WASENA" or "VINTON" in the destination window of a Mack for a change!!! There was one Brill that would rotate across the routes which had Mack C-41's on them. The one or ones that were completely painted as a rolling billboard. One that ran on the Villa Heights/Morningside run twice a week for a month or so that I waiting to bicycle around so I could ride a Brill for a chance and Mr. McBride seems unhappy to be shifting gears and said "I want my Mack back" was completely painted from windshield to back windows for Heironimous which was at the corner of Jefferson and Church then in the old Thurman and Boone building.
Glad to see the information.Would really like to see a book on Roanoke transit. I put a few pictures on flickr and the Roanoke library has some on flickr and there is old Roanoke back on the web.SMT had one ACF Brill painted for WSLS radio ( they even installed a radio with speakers all the way down the inside the roof)I don't remember the number, but Brill 210 &242 were painted pink and white with ads for Top Value Stamps.I loved the Brills I lived on 9th Street s.e. and that was Brill country.
oldie146 Now that you mentioned it I too remember the Brills painted for Top Value Stamps and the one for WSLS. There is one Brill in bad shape and two Mack's in need of restoration at the bus museum out on Campbell Ave beyond 13th st. SW. When I rode SMT as a kid and early to mid teen, I always was on a Mack bus untill 106 GM came on the Villa Heights-Morningside route. But I still had a 2 in 3 chance of getting a Mack (106,303 & 311) were the busses usually on the route after 1958 thru 1964 or 5. But I too liked the speedy Brills. When I was in the mood to ride one I would catch Melrose bus and get off as close to Villa Heights as possible and walk the rest of the way. We did get Brills on our route when those fully painted Brills for Top Value would rotate over to my route so people up and down the route could read the ads. There is some film on You Tube showing the school bus signs being attached to Brills and Mack's in 1959. How can I see your pictures?
Go to Flickr and type Safety motor transit in the search bar and you should get some then move to my page
So glad to see all of these TH-cam vidoes of these. This one in particular sound very strong.."as school buses"..ever see Hairspray, set in Baltimore MD? Set in 1962? Tracy Turnblad and her firends ride one as a school bus (in the early fishbowl years..)
1909 was the bus #. It’s still around in 2022 owned by a private owner
Lindo GM bus , mi favorito .
I love the sound if that motor and trans
It's one of the few inline-4 engines to have a crossplane crankshaft that is typical of most gas V-8 engines.
En mi país de Puerto Rico éste tipo de autobús en lo 60's y 70's todavía recorría mucho en las calles hasta principios de lo 80's y luego los eliminaron... Pero marcaron mucho en esas epocas y estos yo viajaba... ¡¡QUE RECUERDOS!!
Jose Vidal Me acuerdo que la AMA tenia esos autobuses, me acuerdo una vez y que estaban en servicio hasta el 1989 en especial una vez la vi en la desaparecida 91E de San Juan a Bayamon, pero en configuracion del rolo sencillo y fondo rojo, las renumeraron a 72XXX en vez de 54XXX que era el numero original, eran de color verde y nunca las pintaron de rojo con amarillo o de azul y blanco (las penepes) como algunos la llamaban. Yo me monte para el 1988 en la ruta 19 justamente en la parada del McDonald de Vista Hermosa y la unidad era 72601. Me sorprendio que las alcancias Keene caian perfectamente en el autobus con motor en linea 6-71 detroit diesel.
OK... Te acuerdas de los modelos Mack que hubieron en los 60's y estuviero hasta principios de los 70's de doble foco y el cristal delantero parecido al de Flexible?? Cuando niño las llegué a ver y una de esas viaje desde donde era el Antiguo Hospital de la Juliat ''ya desaparecido'' hasta Rio Piedras. De esos modelos Mack en autobuses que he visto en You Tube, solamente los que se parecen mucho al modelo GM pero los de doble foco del 1959-60 no los he visto.
I like this bus... ¡¡WHAT A CLASIC!!
Jose Vidal Consigue unas fotos de la flota original de la AMA, yo tengo mas fotos adicionales si necesitas.
That engine sounds more like a Detroit 6V-53
I saw a bus like this one, also from Roaoake, sitting in a parking lot in Cresson, PA. I have photos of it somewhere.
en cuba los trajeron en 1953 cuando quitaron los tranvía y vinieron de uso estuvieron hasta 1974 me traen muy buenos recuerdos,
Bueno ví los últimos en el año 1976 en Guanabo ruta 62 .
the 471 plays sound like a 8v71
juanitocarlitos77 You got it, asi es suena identico el 8v71 es el doble del 4-71 lo cual era doble palo o 2 stroke como se le conoce en ingles.
Sounds like a 8V71N and a 6V71N at the same time.
Those older transmissions do that, because the engine revs up so high so quickly, that's why they sound almost alike. The same happens with fishbowls with 8V71 with those older VH transmissions, and you're used to it being a 6V71. Only in the brief period of acceleration or deceleration when the rpms are lower, you can make out the subtle difference. First time ever hearing a DD-powered old look with other than a 6-71.
Since 4-71 old looks seems to be rare, I hope this wasn't one of the ones destroyed in the fire.
@@ETBX1 Sadly, it was...
@@ETBX1 Very very true, especially with that GM blower on the Fishbowls.
oh those six v seventy one engine sounds
belissimo onibus parabens aos americanos por conserva-los estas raridades
Why do some of these old look buses have the partially covered right windscreen window and some do not? Does it house something?
en Peru tambien hubieron de esos buses que pena que ya no hay ninguno de ellos
Now that's a bus
Now that it sure IS! :)
Me too...
Humandobermangrr, thank you for the positive compliment. As far as the latter, feel free to donate a top-of-the-line Nikon professional camera with tripod and CD-ROM tutorials and two big ol' cups of Shut Up to our worthy cause!
Nice bus poorly done video. Hold the damn camera still I saw more of whats OUTSIDE the bus than the bus itself and get a better camera the audio sucked. Less talking I want to enjoy the ride not listen to people gab all day. Otherwise, nice bus :D
hee hee..after reading here somebody's harking back to the days when this model was an oven in summer and fridge in winter, his shaky filming suits this brute j u s t fine! I l o v e how he tries capturing refections of the very bus he's riding in all that fenestration he's passing by..we suppose you must also wish he'd overlaid m u z a k to this here recording of his, _eh.. .. . ._