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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- Talking about the new buff on the pheonix missile that feels that it have a LOT more range than it had!
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Finally they are similar to DCS, i always noticed that in warthunder the phoenixes were accelerating really slow and their range was very short compared to DCS
they also never lofted
They was normal, realistic compared to DCS. But now gaijin uses advertisements brochure, not the real documents or physic.
@@toyotawitha20mm35 how do you know? Are you a real life SU-27 pilot? How can we possibly know if flight model is correct or not on a game?
@toyotawitha20mm35 I don't even think it's a full fidelity module tho, so of course it's not accurate. They haven't worked on it at all compared to the other planes that are full fidelity
@@EternalMarch plus Russia is really well known for lying about how effective and the quality of their equipment is
The Phoenix feels much better after the Buffs its finally worth again taking some into the battle
@TheVodkaBottle wait are you ruski?
@TheVodkaBottle they are literally only good at killing people who are AFK. They are not OP if you actually pay attention
@TheVodkaBottle they're OP if you're bad and not paying attention lol.
@TheVodkaBottle they barely pull more Gs than an Aim-9B lol. They literally can't even pull in at close range without evading and at long range you have a looot of time to notch of go cold.
I feel like this will be more noticable on the F-14B because you can climb to a higher altitude faster where the added launch range can make a difference
I agree I was thinking the same
@@ChildofFire Yeah but even with that the higher you launch from, less energy has to be used by the missile to climb which can be used for range and manouvres
@@ChildofFire Ooh my bad i thought you were implying it wouldnt matter but you are excited for the prospect aswell
@BurningPhoenix the higher you launch it, the higher it will loft to
The AIM-54C should have a longer range than the A as well. We'll see if they get gaijoobed or not.
Everything gets buffed before major additions. we about to get AMRAAM'd
Good point
or they are about to give russia something quite powerful
lol no
Well who knows, like they showed off the F-14B before the trailer. I’m lowkey intrigued by what the hell could top that kind of hype
@@type93man probably r-73 🤕
Yeah, my longest kill so far has been 72km (before this specific update/after the initial buff) and I did launch just outside of the launch envelope that time. So I pretty sure they just adjusted the lines on the side to show that it'll still track at those distances, not necessarily that it will be effective I think
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@@alpacagaming6975 You a Whiterun guard or something?
Ya if you read the actual raw changes they adjusted the range calculations. No changes were made to its performance, just when it says you should shoot.
Lofting+ the other buffs have made it much better. But that wasn't this patch.
@@samgeorge4798 they changes two timers which make its longevity better
the Aim 54 after being launched it will climb to 80k and then it will switches on its terminal semi active radar. the Aim 54 C has a longer range and flys at Mach 5 where the A Variant flys at Mach 4
Took out the AIM54 in several matches and noticed the exact same. Lofted far higher, far more aggressively.
My range calc was nuts. Getting in range straight off the runway.
I’m not noticing an increase in hits though.
Don’t expect to get any, it’s a great jousting weapon but easy to notch even in IRL but if they don’t respect it then game over, you’re not gonna get great results in ARB bc it’s a cluster fuck with 16v16. But shooting multiple at one guy to force him cold allows you to push him without any resistance once so ever. ( if you ever manage to get a 2v2 1v1 scenario.)
The AIM 54 could always reach that range just that the radar would tell u it couldn’t even tho it could and now they changed that so that’s why it’s telling you to fire
I always fly low but most of my deaths are from 27ER,aim54 and aim7f so flying low not always works
I’ve never really had luck with phoenixes when it comes to getting kills, I’m not sure what I do wrong but I usually take 2 into a match and shoot 2 at someone when I get high enough, I even keep the TWS lock so it has the best chance but they never hit, even if the enemy is flying straight it always either pulls at the last second and can’t pull enough Gs to hit, or it misses entirely, I haven’t tried them yet with this new update but I still feel like they won’t be effective enough for me to use often, hoping the Cs are more reliable!
they are much better now even before the buffs with i would get a kill occasionally but now i get kills more often.
Try to use them on high flying targets. The thin air makes it harder for the enemy to evade the missile
Love the content the News reporter off warthunder😂
you have to remember that 50 miles is about 100 km the Phoenix A model has a range of 83 miles so it makes sense
50 miles is no where near 100km. 50 mi is 80km
Low flying isnt the perfect counter to the aim54, i still get crits just from it impacting the ground near the jet and the explosive is big enough to still wound anything close enough.
My hypothesis is that after the lofting change it was already capable of that but the calculator was not accounting for the lofting, now that they changed the calculator to account for it shows the 90km range
every update i feel more and more useless in the mirage because of short range and missile number
Well, the Mirage is a 3rd generation jet in a trench coat, so going up against proper 4th generation jets is never going to feel good.
@@LSgaming201 should get a buff or move to 11.3
@@johnsmith1034 the mirage 2000 is perfectly capable in 11.7 you just need to be more careful
@@BaATep the fact that its the same br as the f14 is a joke pure joke also harrier should be 11.3
@@BaATep and its not that its not capable its that if your 530 decides to bug out you have lost half your bvr and ever since the ir changes and drag increase magics are not great
the low fly meta is boring as hell, but getting shot-gunned by radar missiles to the face isn't fun, either. Kinda screwed here. I find that the more I fly like an idiot, the better I do. If I try to BVR I get 1-2 kills then get swarmed by the enemy team.
now they should fell like in DCS, i did not test it, but i think this will be very powerfull in simulator
Bout time they buffed a western missile to compete with the completely unbalanced R27ER, adding that thing without buffing any of the western missiles was a stupid addition to the game. Even though the only thing the phoenix has on it is range. R27R was fine tbh :/
talvez ele faz loft a uma altura maxima maior que antes
I feel like su-27/33 is coming now due to those changes
Real life phoenix's had over well over 100 km, and that's without cruising very high, so to have a little altitude around 90 makes sense
olha eu fiz uns calculos ai, mas nada integral, bem nivel medio mesmo, não no nivel superior, cara se só fazer o calculo de lançamento obliquo mesmo, no caso o alcance maximo com algulo do loft dele, mas a velocidade fica a que foi gerada do momentum de variação da quantidade de movimento= força vezes impulso, onde se pegar na lista, 14350N*30s=I=430500 N*S, porem a variação de massa é resultado da queima que gera a propulsão, assim deve subtrair a massa inicial, pela massa do motor, onde N*S/delta(m)=m/s cheguei em 1576 m/s, usando calculo do lançamento obliquo do alcance maximo, sendo o angulo do loft 17,5 graus cheguei em 145km
90km? Dude that’s not even fair anymore when all F16’s can only lunch at 19km
No dev blog today :(
TWS loses lock fast on low targets. STT is alot better for getting kills with it, just hold lock till it gets within pitbull range and switch target.
This is just a time and range table update for visuals not functional. If the range is corresponding it was made last patch with the lofting changes.
why dont you have a 3% off or a sign up form
Os phoenix sao para ser disparados a uma distancia de 40/50km e sao para ser disparados a avioes que querem voar alto (que nao estao colados ao chao)
50 milhas, não quilometros
Meanwhile Heathblur & Eagle dynamite watered the aim54 down so bad bandits don't even Dodge it anymore.
It’s about time, gaijin excessively kneecapped the Phoenixes for no good reason
Its not buff its corrected according to reality because they are going to bring something better. They are just holding back on Nato equipment since russian equipment is nit capable to compete
Funny. they had to remove the r73 because Americans cried about it being good.
@@Red_Lion2000 and add the r27er
@@binhvuthanh5804 My point was that Russian tech is, in fact, able to compete, look at original comment.
@@Red_Lion2000 ...only because they decided to buff the ECCM that was fine on it to unflareable, just look at the footage of defyn trying to flare r73s and r27ts on the dev server, couldnt even do it at 0% throttle :)
I've been playing the 20m fuel 6x Phoenix 9km climb and fire everything and get one or two kills before the update. My most is 4 kills in one salvo.
I KNEW THEY WOULD BUFF MISSILES WHEN SHIP TO AIR MISSILES WERE ADDED, BECAUSE SHIPS WERE VULNERABLE TO MISSILES THEY WERE NERFED
only 7.0 or maybe 7.3 planes can fight ships though or am I wrong? Do 7.0s get missiles that can target ships?
@@viewer54322 i dont think so, but im talking about custom battles
Why do my Phoenix missiles explode after I launch them. They don’t go very far and then I see them explode in the air.
I need to play against the new phonix now because before ive been on the deck and been hit directly in the center behind the cockpit befor in phantoms and tigers
I dont get how you can even keep a lock in tws. For me as soon as i try to highlight a target they all vanish from radar for a few secs.
Yeah these long range missiles are going to be the death of top tier.
IRL the Phoenix could hit upwards of 100 nautical miles away at mach five, soooo even though it got buffed it is still nowhere near as powerful as it could be :p. oh and its travel path in game is inaccurate because the Phoenix would actually go into a near vertical climb to 50k+ feet and then hit enemy planes from almost directly top down smiting them out of the sky.
oh and we can totally leak documents to Gaijin about this since all of them are declassified, hell I even have the NATOPS Manual for the F-14B on my PC
I mean.. I mainly play Russia and France, and I face America every few matches, and tons of F-14s.
I personally love facing them, as BVR is actually fun. It's not just F-16s bumrushing forward and dying to an R-27 or a 530 in seconds because they can't notch or reverse.
On my way to the F-14, currently have the F-5E, F-4E, and F-8E. Working ont he F-4J, then I have to go from the A-4B to the A-10A.
Can't wait to get the F-14, especially with the B coming in
What I don’t get is why the contrail of the phoenix is so big. In sim you really shouldn’t use it because it’s just a fat I’m here marker.
They forget about devblogs
Yall thing the teaser is coming today ?
Isnt like the pheonix range irl close to 100 miles so this shouldnt be suprising
They are getting ready for something
Imagine when they add current tech stuff xD. Meteor missile ramjet engine 300km range xD.
Maybe R27EA is near for the Fulcrums
Ehim mat será que não é uma maneira deles já estarem se preparando para um AIM120 ?!
you need to shoot them at 50km from the target and at enemeis who are flywing high
Btw how do you check the missile camera?
Default is U?
US about to go back to curb stomping air RB again... US is to air RB top tier as USSR is to GRB.
I need them to buff the Kh's laser misiles
Maps are set to small u can take off an already lock the entire team ???? Who thought that was ok
Is there a machanics when u need to wait for missile before it goes pitbull?
I dont have f-14 but irl the pitbull range is 25 km i think
IRL you had to maintain the TWS lock all the way until the phoenix went pitbull, or else it wouldn’t turn its own radar on, but in war thunder it doesn’t work like that. As soon as you lose tws lock, the phoenix turns on its own radar and flies in the direction of where it estimates the enemy should be, and engages the first thing that pops up on its radar
Perhaps the poor US players gonna finally compet, as if the best premium and the next best jet TT is not enough for them.
Top air USA is really the same as top ground Russia
Old afterburner ♥♥
take them to sim battles!?!
The loft is a bit too shallow still in my opinion
I hate to encouter phoenixes, you literally cant get them to not lock on to you, i can flare, chaff and maunuvre all i want it will still hit me. And the worst part are the fatherless F14 players who fire all 6 of them and than just land to do it again.
They need a nerft, not a buff
Good!!
war thunder needs to remove this missile
can you take off, fly a bit behind your base, turn back launch 6 pxonixes land but still point radar toward enemy so you can guide missiles at high flying enemies, rearm with more and takeoff again before first salvo hit?
imma bust
As its should be.
always use 4-6 54As
Plz snail buff the mirages😭😭😭
everywhere
27er cant Hit at 40km anything
I prefer men
Wassup
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Lmao, f14b is coming without a competitor and of course we need an aim54 buff, just in case the f14b wasn't already broken enough.
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Love how no ome cries when usa gets insane buffed good stuff but dont mention russias r73 because we do ne 😢 and just scream bias 💀
The Russians do same for both sides but russia has way more bias r27er best 2 planes best tanks and best aa
Insane buff?? Did we watch the same video
What's frustrating is handicapping NATO weaponry to be comparable to its Russian counterpart. For instance, the F16 g limiter. Either change all flight models to be realistic and watch player rip their wings every match, or remove the fly by wire g limiter and watch the f16 obliterate the competition. What's frustrating and creates cries of bias is when the F16 is handicapped and the Mig29 is allowed to over perform its real life counterpart. Or when the pheonix is incapable of reaching its real life velocity, range, and kill rate. While the ER overperforms. The problem War Thunder has is with modern weaponry if everything was realistic the Russian teams wouldn't stand a chance.
@@keno5839 u bas do a full denial on enemy fighter to climb since you can just take off and have the retarded radar lock ping on you with the shit in mind maybe a rocket is comming maybe not so u just hug the ground even more ...wow fun gameplay
@@LarryPigeon1 Bros acting like every game isn't mixed anyway, plus climbing to space is pretty much feeding if your up against the f14 or the mig 29