For anyone wondering about the constant ps2 pick, Mario really only has one stage he cant do that on, FD. So Mario players will basically always ban it, and if you have 2 bans normally i would guess you ban Kalos, so that leaves you with what? Small Battlefield, Ps2 but an even lower blastzone, battlefield has triple platforms so that isnt even an option, maybe smashville/HB but then its easier for mario to get in. If it were me i would go town and city, but i mean im not a top player so what do i know.
Small Battlefield actually has the same top blastzone height as PS2, but it's smaller so Mario has an easier time getting in, plus the platforms are slightly lower and cover more of the stage, so I'd imagine it would actually make it easier for Mario to reset onto them. Smashville is even worse (especially for a character like Cloud), since not only does Mario get in easier, but he can also combo into fair offstage much easier due to the small stage size This tournament's ruleset had 3 bans, so I'd imagine Kurama would usually just ban FD/Town/Kalos, leaving PS2 as the best option in a lot of cases. I could see an argument for HB being better in some cases (the platform covers a relatively small part of the stage compared to SBF), but idk how good that would be for Cloud, since the character loves having constant access to a platform in order to charge limit and mix up his aerials in neutral.
Geez, Kurama plays this MU almost perfectly. he’s got Cloud down better than anyone (except maybe Mute) Also, Sparg0’s resilience after getting the first two games stolen from him is insane. This is some good smash!
There are 2 times when kurama “parry’s ” sparrow cross slash when it’s actually a spot dodge. I think that’s cool because it seems like a more consistent punish option
That was phenomenal! Peak play from both players that had me on the edge of my seat. Kurama's growth is INSANE but I appreciated seeing someone match him at his pace and then some.
Mario feels so execution heavy and dependent on his combos working, and therefore has highs and lows throughout the games/set. He kind of struggles to get in on cloud and the neutral feels weak and linear w/ few options. On the other hand, cloud feels super consistently strong the entire game just smooth sailing. He doesn't really need to get in on Mario because his defense is so strong with the walls of aerials and mixing in dash attack/tomahawk grab or grounded attack. I'm also not sure that Kurama went off stage once to edge guard cloud, either. He just tried fire ball, and I'm not sure it ever worked. He needed to base his edge guard off of baiting Spargo to do an option that he could punish vs generic fireball edge guard each time. But in a general sense this is why the "weakness" of poor recovery isn't really a weakness for cloud/Spargo. He doesn't really get edge guarded. It takes a really good player to edge guard well because it's really based on baiting your opponent and reads. There's no win button for edge guards usually. So since Spargo just outclasses his opponents he always recovers back to stage. And you could argue maybe Mario isn't the best at off-stage edge guarding vs cloud, and I'd say that's a pretty good argument that Mario loses this matchup. Cloud is a good character lol. But the Mario player can still do it if he outplays the cloud. Whereas Mario players have to depend on excelling at their combos, Cloud players have to excel at defense and recovering. But if you keep up the game plan you will eventually win, whereas for Mario if you don't get a combo you never get anything going. Plus some of Kurama's combos that killed I've never seen someone get like that it feels almost like he's the best Mario at the kill combos yet he still loses to cloud. I feel like that argues to a fundamental difference in the superiority of the options at the characters' disposal. They both have spent a lot of time mastering their characters, but man cloud just feels so solid.
Mario definitely has the tools to edgeguard cloud, this set just wasn’t the best example of it. Mario’s dash attack lingers insanely long and can 2 frame, so the Mario player doesn’t even need to be that precise with the timing to hit cloud most of the time. Fireball can also gimp you and steal your jump, the combination of those 2 things can make recovering low risky. Recovering high with the downward hit of climhazard is also risky cause of fludd. So Mario can really limit your options. I’m also speaking from experience because I main Cloud and practice this matchup a lot with a friend who also happens to be the best Mario in Canada. I still overall think cloud slightly wins the MU, +0.5/+1 something like that but all Mario needs is 1 opening to shift the game in his favour.
Kurama is crazy good, I think had he not choked game 3 it was for sure 3-0 against Spargo, his ability to control the pace and his neutral was excellent. Ggs
Didn't Sparg0 also throw the first two games since he was basically up an entire stock both of them? Especially in the first game with that random f smash 😂😂😂
Advice to the commentators: game 3 and 4 it sounded like yall were in different rooms cause you were talking over each other. Good job though, i couldnt do it!
Cloud slightly wins but that’s it. Look at game 1 and 2, Sparg0 had a pretty big lead going into last stock and then Kurama stole the games with 1 opening.
kurama is fkn isnane , all repsects to spargo but cloud dosnt really impress me as a character as much as mario does, and thats coming from someone who mains cloud
I am so fucking tired of Cloud man. back air back air back air back air MISINPUT TURN AROUND F-AIR back bair back air Commentators: "Spargo has adapted so well man!"
That game 3 was so crucial man.
By game 4, both of them were burning out, making mis-inputs and playing faster than any Cloud and Mario I've ever seen
You haven’t seen my Cloud then 😅
@@infyalex698😂😂😂😂😂😂
Spargo with that mixup SD into dash attack true combo
Literally shook him
Reclaiming center stage. Big brain move.
Lmfao I'm dead😂
Hahah the caster " good mix up from spargo" lmfao spargo looked like he shit his pants when he SD like bruh
WOWWWW
6:38 "Call an ambulance, but not for me." -Sparg0
For anyone wondering about the constant ps2 pick, Mario really only has one stage he cant do that on, FD. So Mario players will basically always ban it, and if you have 2 bans normally i would guess you ban Kalos, so that leaves you with what? Small Battlefield, Ps2 but an even lower blastzone, battlefield has triple platforms so that isnt even an option, maybe smashville/HB but then its easier for mario to get in. If it were me i would go town and city, but i mean im not a top player so what do i know.
Small Battlefield actually has the same top blastzone height as PS2, but it's smaller so Mario has an easier time getting in, plus the platforms are slightly lower and cover more of the stage, so I'd imagine it would actually make it easier for Mario to reset onto them. Smashville is even worse (especially for a character like Cloud), since not only does Mario get in easier, but he can also combo into fair offstage much easier due to the small stage size
This tournament's ruleset had 3 bans, so I'd imagine Kurama would usually just ban FD/Town/Kalos, leaving PS2 as the best option in a lot of cases. I could see an argument for HB being better in some cases (the platform covers a relatively small part of the stage compared to SBF), but idk how good that would be for Cloud, since the character loves having constant access to a platform in order to charge limit and mix up his aerials in neutral.
Kurama is insane, he's gonna jump all the way to the top soon
He's already at the top. Is he not?
LMFAO
Kurama on his last stock at 120% (his opponent is at 0%): "I'm in the lead"
3 months later nothing happened LOL
the end of game 4 was fucking insane. spargo is one of the only players i've seen who straight up gets better when he's pissed
I'd also like to add muteace to that list. when bro is cornered he turns into a rabid animal
Kola
@@DavionLane idk man, kola seems to get tilted when he's in disadvantage
7:30 That was a 10 second 0 to death holy crap
A come back from 2-0 to 2-3. Gratz on sparg0
Imagine reversing 3-0 Quidd, beating Mkleo and taking Sparg0 to game 5...and then not even make top 8. Bruh.
Kurama needs to win a major man he deserves it
What an insane match, congrats to players for blowing our minds with those plays
20:38 tell me commentators curse is a thing without telling me
Geez, Kurama plays this MU almost perfectly. he’s got Cloud down better than anyone (except maybe Mute)
Also, Sparg0’s resilience after getting the first two games stolen from him is insane. This is some good smash!
The first win for kurama was just overwhelming
“This is still Kuramas game” 😂
Kurama has been playing with the New England players, this young man pulling out ultra instinct parries like he's Light and Marss
Don’t think I’ve seen sparg0 this stressed before hahaha! Normally he be lookin chill af
Kurama be on that SHIT!!! Dude is fuckin doin it up with Mario and playing like its just another day.
There are 2 times when kurama “parry’s ” sparrow cross slash when it’s actually a spot dodge. I think that’s cool because it seems like a more consistent punish option
That was phenomenal! Peak play from both players that had me on the edge of my seat. Kurama's growth is INSANE but I appreciated seeing someone match him at his pace and then some.
Mario feels so execution heavy and dependent on his combos working, and therefore has highs and lows throughout the games/set. He kind of struggles to get in on cloud and the neutral feels weak and linear w/ few options.
On the other hand, cloud feels super consistently strong the entire game just smooth sailing. He doesn't really need to get in on Mario because his defense is so strong with the walls of aerials and mixing in dash attack/tomahawk grab or grounded attack.
I'm also not sure that Kurama went off stage once to edge guard cloud, either. He just tried fire ball, and I'm not sure it ever worked. He needed to base his edge guard off of baiting Spargo to do an option that he could punish vs generic fireball edge guard each time.
But in a general sense this is why the "weakness" of poor recovery isn't really a weakness for cloud/Spargo. He doesn't really get edge guarded. It takes a really good player to edge guard well because it's really based on baiting your opponent and reads. There's no win button for edge guards usually. So since Spargo just outclasses his opponents he always recovers back to stage.
And you could argue maybe Mario isn't the best at off-stage edge guarding vs cloud, and I'd say that's a pretty good argument that Mario loses this matchup. Cloud is a good character lol. But the Mario player can still do it if he outplays the cloud.
Whereas Mario players have to depend on excelling at their combos, Cloud players have to excel at defense and recovering. But if you keep up the game plan you will eventually win, whereas for Mario if you don't get a combo you never get anything going. Plus some of Kurama's combos that killed I've never seen someone get like that it feels almost like he's the best Mario at the kill combos yet he still loses to cloud. I feel like that argues to a fundamental difference in the superiority of the options at the characters' disposal. They both have spent a lot of time mastering their characters, but man cloud just feels so solid.
Apoco sí tilín
🤣@@capitalismsucks_
Mario definitely has the tools to edgeguard cloud, this set just wasn’t the best example of it. Mario’s dash attack lingers insanely long and can 2 frame, so the Mario player doesn’t even need to be that precise with the timing to hit cloud most of the time. Fireball can also gimp you and steal your jump, the combination of those 2 things can make recovering low risky. Recovering high with the downward hit of climhazard is also risky cause of fludd. So Mario can really limit your options. I’m also speaking from experience because I main Cloud and practice this matchup a lot with a friend who also happens to be the best Mario in Canada. I still overall think cloud slightly wins the MU, +0.5/+1 something like that but all Mario needs is 1 opening to shift the game in his favour.
@@Logan17258yo log this you??
@@flares7631 yes monkey
Shout outs to Kurama using the Yu Yu Hakusho in-game tag!
Kurama is crazy good, I think had he not choked game 3 it was for sure 3-0 against Spargo, his ability to control the pace and his neutral was excellent. Ggs
Didn't Sparg0 also throw the first two games since he was basically up an entire stock both of them? Especially in the first game with that random f smash 😂😂😂
IDK why but that Mario combo infuriates me for no reason lmfaoooooooooo
The single most anticlimactic ending to one of the all-time greatest sets NA.
Idk who wins.. just saw kurama win twice, he is the GOAT of Mario. Main Mario players are so damn entertaining.
Spargo game 5 was something else. Man took a senzu bean for sure. Matter fact, saw him pull it outta his pocket
Kurama's Mario is SOPHISTICATED
The fact that they kept going back to PS2 despite the commentators begging for them not to is hilarious
Kurama starting a wave with mario. Good play to him.
Spargo composure is good for sure
Spargo just came back 3-2 LIKE NOTHING BROOO WHAT A GOAT
Kurama is so underrated. He be cookinnn 🥵🥵
Bro why the sus emoji
@@k.ccarey8546Cause we luv him😁
YOU CAN DO IT KURAMA!
Kurama is cracked, any other Mario could never
Kurama was fucking wild this time
Crazy set. That SD in game 3 gaaah
intense match! 💥 you can tell Spargo got a lil frustrated lol think he didnt expect to fight this hard against kurama
Spargo was like: “I’m going to show you 2 things Leo can’t do anymore, 1. Comebacks and 2. Defeat mario”, congrats to Spargo! He is the best!
18:23 how did that not kill?
こっから巻き返すの最高にスパーゴやわ
Kurama should have won that in game 4 but couldn't close out spargo's stock
18:11 ayooo sounds like a certain meme I know
Kurama is insane.
this should of been true grand finals
最後なんか草
Sparg0がミスってやらかした！みたいな反応してたけど、その後深呼吸してよしこっからや！って感じかと思ったら一瞬で終わった
That’s a hard match for Mario but he did well
That SD by Kurama game 3 changed everything
No me había emocionado tanto… Sparg0 the best ✨🤘🏼
Thsís was so insanely even.
Go spargoooooooo
go spargoooooooo
Go spargoooooooo
Bruh the second game Sparta was not fuckin playin around Ong
UAALLLLL KURAMA IS AMAZING! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Kurama, Insane
Sparg0, DLC character carried
Agree!
how exactly cloud isnt DLC
Soy de colombia,a si que voy por aprgo, uffff disfruto viendo esto
What was spargo thinking... going back to ps2?
Yeah spargoooooooo The king spargo 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽
Haven't watched smash tournaments in a while. Spargo #1 now?
Kurama looks like Joe Pesci
Advice to the commentators: game 3 and 4 it sounded like yall were in different rooms cause you were talking over each other. Good job though, i couldnt do it!
How Kurama could lost this set? :/
Thats a realll verggga spargo thanks a lot... Iam very proud
He was at 105 and Karama still had 3 stocks
nah man i was panicking for sparg0 really good match
NOOOOOOOOOO KURAMA😢😢😢😢😢
Don't forget Sword characters are a bit of a hard counter to mario
wow those were good games.
Mimi is what I used to call my grandma...
Man mario does whatever he wants dont he
El spargo en el juego 3 y en adelante activo modo cloud insano
the ending XD
Kurama wow
クラマはかなりバケモンだな
Dang props to spargo for bringing it back
Kurama en PS2 hace magia
Que pedorro final, pero me encantó la pelea, gracias Kurama y Spargo
SparGoat
Prodigy
Nice yu yu reference.
spargo miracle mode
If you can, if you can
Go spargoooooooo
Go spargoooooooo
If you can, if you can
I am so glad sparg0 won this set. He may not have won the tourney if he lost this…
....
@@dexART_75 What?
Mario struggles so hard against cloud I just cringe everytime I see kurama try to run in and he eats a back air to the face 🤦🏾
Mario in a meta filled with swordies holds him back a ton. Highkey in a different meta he might be top tier, but not this one
The matchup isn’t that bad lmao . Cry
@@Sae23b1 F*ol. Aegis players have no place in the competitive scene
Swords have always been Mario’s greatest enemy in every Smash game.
Cloud slightly wins but that’s it. Look at game 1 and 2, Sparg0 had a pretty big lead going into last stock and then Kurama stole the games with 1 opening.
Mario = Kazuza
kurama the mexican slayer
Great set by Spargo on the comeback. Take notes, wifi Cloud players. See how he doesnt Up B in neutral 100 times? Do better 😂
Kuramaうっまい
Te King spargo Being the King spargo
Clutch0
gg
I like smash a ton but the scene is getting really boring.
kurama is fkn isnane , all repsects to spargo but cloud dosnt really impress me as a character as much as mario does, and thats coming from someone who mains cloud
I am so fucking tired of Cloud man.
back air back air back air back air MISINPUT TURN AROUND F-AIR back bair back air
Commentators: "Spargo has adapted so well man!"
These matches between these two were amazing. My only gripe about the games is the commentary :/
Mexicans all over smash ultimate 😳
!!
I m going to be honest I hate spargo 🙃Cloud
At 126% at last stock it is not still his game lol
It was never close
So happy spargo one. There is something incredibly disrespectful about chewing gum while playing in a tournament on stage like this.,
you should tell us whats so disrespectful about chewing gum