I feel like Microsoft has huge management issues. There are definitely some extremely talented people willing to rewrite all of the code from scratch, but their managers have different priorities. I think that's one of the benefits of opensource, it's not really plagued by corporatism.
@@DiamondZombie But it surely is possible with enough time, passion and effort. And to clarify, they need to rewrite only the UI. WinAPI is fine mostly.
@@DiamondZombie Microsoft is a multi trillion dollar company. I'm sure they can figure out how to update Windows 98 dialogs without breaking backwards compatibility.
Microsoft has broken backwards compatibility plenty of times before. In many respects, Wine has superior compatibility with legacy Windows app then Windows 11 does. Of course, OSX's backwards compatibility (or lack thereof) makes Microsoft look like absolute gods.
Microsoft should focus a little more on this issue. Luckily people started noticing this and thanks to that there are now several improvements to insider builds, like the redesigned notepad or updated volume flyout, although it would have been better not to rush the launch and ship the os when it is really ready. Since Windows 8 (a decade) they want to modernize the UI but the only thing they have achieved is more and more inconsistency in each new system and duplicate apps. It's disappointing to see basic parts of the system that don't respect the dark mode or not being updated since Vista :(
@@skye5130 too bad Microsoft abandoned them. Honestly if Microsoft retained some of the features to make windows more consistent and pick-choosing them, i am fine with "reskinned windows". Example, stick with control panel and no need for PC settings. Then stick with windows 8 task manager which is obviously better than windows 7. I don't like how control panel and PC settings coexist nowadays.. and other things.
I think code reuse is ultimately fine if it leads to a better experience and allows devs to fix and update core systems more heavily, but from my experience Microsoft isn't very interested in doing that either. They very much want to repaint over everything and act like it's brand new while only tweaking a few things in the background. I feel like when it comes to UI stuff in particular is just that Microsoft has never really been a forward facing company and doesn't really plan for the future. So many default apps are written in such a way that they handle their own look and feel independently, rather than using a core theme engine. This is also why Windows doesn't really support themes in any meaningful way. Unlike linux apps that either utilize gtk, kvantum, or libadwaita and can be themed at a system level. But Microsoft doesn't seem interested in going back and refactoring their code base, (probably because it would possibly break backwards compatibility or just be too expensive to actually do at this point), while continually applying more and more coats of paint with every release. This is a problem that is only going to get more and more difficult as it's ignored.
did you deadass just say that libadwaita can be "themed at a system level" libadwaita themes are like windows themes. they're not officially supported and they break all the time.
@@poudink5791 No, I said it was a central theme engine. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply all the theme engines I listed are themeable, just that they are centralized. I know you can't with libadwaita, just that it's not handled by apps individually.
I preferred the small pop-up from windows 7, it was way less irritating than the entire pop-up. On android, a small pop-up is way better than the whole pop-up while I wish I could just customize as sound only to overcome the hassle. Notice the converse between windows and android.
Prior to 8, I believe Microsoft used the approach where they'd add onto or change existing windows features. Meaning that they'd either completely rework something (windows update) or they'll update (control panel). After Windows 8 however. They essentially started to become lazy. Instead of updating features of Windows so things stay consistent. They started essentially layering new features ontop of Windows. A few of those Windows 7 remnants can be found as far back as Windows NT, but since MS use to update the grathics system wide back in the day. It was far less noticeable.
The CEO of Microsoft during the Windows 8 era was Steve Ballmer. Then the CEO was changed for Satya Nadella, who is still the CEO of the company. That's probably the reason for the poor management.
Employees: We need new features and looks for our new windows! Microsoft: Okay just code some extra stuff into our existing OS and we'll call it a day. Here's your paycheck.
A microsoft employee made Eartrumpet compare it with the windows volume mixer. Its just old. Also I found out that the volume mixer of windows is from xp. Strange they didn't thought of such a god feature
There are some stuff in this video that either have already been fixed or have a fix coming : - 1:20 The calculator did get updated to match Windows 11's design. I don't know why Windows 11 comes with the old calculator pre-installed but it should get updated to the new version automatically shortly after you install W11. - 2:31 That flyout has been redesigned for the upcoming 22H2 update. It should have been redesigned way earlier but at least they have worked on it. Can't say the same for the Wi-Fi flyout though - 5:30 Task Manager has an updated version coming too with dark theme support, Mica elements, the accent color being used instead of orange and layout changes. - 6:02 Same goes for the volume and brightness flyouts; their design and even position have been changed. - 6:35 They updated the design of this dialog but scrapped the redesign for the time being, apparently due to the feedback saying the updated dialog was slow or buggy - 8:06 This has been changed too. The new animation is kinda similar to the old one but also quite different - 12:31 MS Paint has been updated and the updated version is available to everyone already. It's functionally the same program but its design is quite different and Microsoft has promised to update it further to add stuff like dark theme support Windows 11 was released in a pretty dumb state but at least Microsoft is actually working on fixing some inconsistencies this time around instead of completely ignoring most of them like they did back in the Windows 10 days
its actually fine rn.. except some dirt to scrape off.. like dialer.exe from W95 that's honestly not needed as anyone who still needs it would not have a computer that can even run windows 10
Even the current "open with" UI is kind of slow (if you compare to how fast Windows 7 open with dialog opens, you know what I’m talking about), but it isn’t buggy, so at least it has that going for it. And why do I have to click show more programs and scroll down to select a custom program?
1:20 windows 11 is literally windows 10, but windows 11 has apis that windows 10 does not, and the update to get windows 11's new designs are only possible after updating to windows 11. You're not getting a different calculator you're just updating to the new version
It's a mystery to me how you can intentionally keep legacy code and just add new features without making the whole development process extremely tedious. Not to mention the wasted space, the old assets must be taking up gigabytes of storage space
Oh boy you wouldn't believe the minority who still use those old assets, such as dial-up Those are like for the military and 80 year old grandpas, changing them would just make it worse for them MS is in a dilemma, if they change it, a specific group suffers and everybody complains about "compatability" and them "making it worse" If they dont, we complain about old remnants
I've noticed this ever since I used my first Windows PC. It ran Windows 98 even that had remnants from Windows 3.1. I first used a Windows XP laptop when I was about 6 years old. I remember using Microsoft Works on it (the crappy cheap word processing and spreadsheet suite) and seeing how much it looked similar to Windows 98 interface I'd previously used. Even young kids know what they're doing - they don't fool anyone.
You can actually change some files and boot into the classic Program Manager (progman.exe) instead of explorer.exe, and without explorer.exe running on modern Windows when you minimize the windows have windows 3.1 behavior Edit: Progman is only on 95 (maybe 9x in general, only tried on 95)
For a reason or another , windows is a cake with a lot of layers , with xp+ programs , 11 is a xp vista 7 8 and 10 cake with rounded corners and new icons
Windows 11 is a mixed feeling for me, however very relieved to see they're actively improving it to make it actually separate from 10. Doesn't excuse the fact that they didn't delay it though
It's worth noting the latest insider builds have fixed things like the dated volume UI, and will probably ship in 22H2. But it's such a disgrace that the OS has essentially shipped unfinished this way and we're expected to just accept it for a year until they "patch" it like a AAA game.
@@Cart1416 22H2 is the main build number for the current insider build so it will be late 22, October typically. You just might not see it until early 23 unless you manually upgrade.
I don't even see Windows 11 as an unfinished product, I see it as a patch to Windows 10. Windows 7 was honestly the last OS in which Microsoft actually cared about changing stuff instead lazily add an UI overlay, like look at Windows 11's taskbar: incomplete and LITERALLY an Overlay for the hidden Windows 10 one! Windows 8 was pretty knowingly a shit update, but at least stuff fitted way better since it was pretty much similar to Windows 7, and the Metro stuff was more like a different world from Win32 in which everything actually fitted together
5:28 Actually in the Beta and Dev channel, with the new releases the task manager has undergone quite a big change, now featuring a dark theme, and a vertical bar instead of the horizontal one - - Edit 6:14 The volume rocker is now horizontal in the low centre of the screen, just above the taskbar
All OS vendors stack new versions on top of others, but they have the good taste to hire some UI designers to re-design the UI of the old stuff and make it modern. That way, the code underneath might be 20 years old and you'd never know. Microsoft just don't have the good taste to do that.
Everybody who took even a brief look at Windows source code (which is publicly available since 2004) knows that all Windows versions share a common source code, with new features just added to that already existing code. It isn't news, at all. Windows sources are full of directives like #ifdef WINNT, that separate parts those are specifically for NT-based systems (NT, 2000, XP and all later versions) and those are specifically for 9x (95/98/ME). The main difference between 9x and NT is char type: ANSI for 9x, UNICODE for NT. But even without source code, it's pretty obvious that all Win versions have a lot in common, like seriously. Same file and catalog structure, same dialog window all over GUI, same tiny little things of behaviour, same registry with a small set of keys unique for 9x against NT, and even smaller set for versions inside two major branches.
In my opinion Windows 7 was like a nice and polished house with all the tools you need organized very well. Newer versions are like if someone went to that house, took half of the tools and threw them in a giant pile in the corner of the basement, because they want the house to look "clean". And then they lock the door to those tools and buy shitty replacements for *some* of those tools. And then they rip out and burn every curtain, table cloth or anything that looks nice to make it more "minimalistic". Thanks for reading my rant
What most people are glossing over is that they never threw the old tools away when they could have. Think about how much worse it would be if they had, and any other company would have thrown away the tools. Might have to make a video about that, it's frustrating how one sided some of these conversations can get. The irony is that if they had done as many want them to do, Windows would have been truly ruined. I know that there have been times where you've been thankful to have the old control panel (especially if you ever used Windows 8), come on now. The irony is that you're giving them way too much credit. We need the backcompat because Microsoft takes an entire decade to get new UX correct. ☺
I use magnifier day to day on w11 because of visual disabilities, I really wish they did whatever mechanism they use for it better, because if the cursor is overwritten by anything like a game or an editor if they do custom rendering, it stops following my mouse altogether and it gets really frustrating. There's a lot of weird fucked up quirks with it and it's kind of upsetting that they don't give much support for it, but I've come to terms with that a long time ago.
The easiest way I can think of is using a special/optional key shortcut. Move the screen zoom while the service is active with the directional keys with smooth scroll to ease the eyes too.
@@andrewgaming1117 Well, that usually just removes the amount of workspace I have on the screen, and it's applied all the time, not only when I need it. I mean, I could get a new monitor, but the one I have's been good enough for the most part.
@@moister3727 Oh yeah, it has shortcuts, WIN++ and - are ingrained within the side of my brain. I've been partial to just using the mouse to navigate since that's the most convenient to navigate.
@@hunnybon It's easier with key shortcuts if you ask me, specially if you can customize the bindings. I don't know how can you do that on Windows or if it's permanent, my setup to zoom on Linux is like I described up there. I just want to get rid out of the mouse whenever possible.
Here's why a lot of people (including me) are considering Windows 7 as the last good version of Windows before MS destroys everything starting with Windows 8.
Windows 8 still was an update, but we could start to have the issue. Also it seems you can BARELY start to see the issue from windows 7, even then it was great.
I actually got so frustrated with 11 that I reinstalled to Windows 10 on my laptop. I'd do it to my desktop, but it's too well setup for that. The age of everything is connected has given companies a way to simply shove out a broken product and patch it all up later. They didn't have that luxury before the Internet was as prevalent, so if say WIndows 95 was broken on launch, that would ding the reputation of WIndows, so they had to get it right or the consequences would be dire. Today, they just press buttons and the update is automagically distributed.
Lets not speak about the memory leak that causes by dwm because the "new" animations and cricled windows and some transparent things. Also the photos app is have a memory leak too. Thank you Microsoft for releasing a half complete beta os with a lot of memory leaks.
@@ahmadnurruddinzainori8648 You should try out something XFCE based. I find it incredibly stable, I've never really had any crashes or super unusual issues with it. the UI is more windows XP-7 in its design philosophy which I prefer. It's a project that moves very slowly but I prefer that as well
Why can't they just take the route that DE's like KDE Plasma take and just let me customize window appearance and whatnot? Nobody would complain about the awful changes (since you can easily revert it) and they're ALREADY DOING THIS WORK ANYWAY.
4:12 Heyyy Microsoft, why is the QR Code BLUE? And why does the text also look BLUE? Don't tell me they used a terrible paintbucket tool. 7:20 Win7 Style Arrows! 8:37 Win7 Basic because that's what it's built on. 10:15 That's the same tray as in Windows 10. 11:05 No change at all. 11:14 Wow that just looks like a typical Win7 progress bar except it's not got that fade. 11:21 Haha pretty sure the clock is the same 11:29 Sheesh, those icons! 11:45 3D textboxes! Look like they were made out of Python Tkinter or smth 13:06 Gosh, that looks so 1990-esque!
me and my father have always been saying this for maybe two or three years. I believe there's still even some stuff from the DOS era too that might be there if you look hard enough.
It's been this way the whole time. Yes, it's more obvious in Windows 11 (especially since Winver reports it as Windows NT 10.0 still, that's the killer.) But from the things you've shown in the video, then Windows 11 is just Windows NT 4.0 with a prettier UI. It's also XP and Vista and 7 and 8 and 8.1. The Windows 7 Basic theme still exists in 11, as well as the Windows Classic theme. And also Aero Lite from Windows 8. Guess Microsoft is just finally seeing the effects of having layered on top of an OS since 1996...
@@cacodemon345 At least Microsoft actually tried to make the layer system work up until Windows 7 by having many things stay the same internally, just richer and richer in functionality (you know what I mean right?) Then they started with that UWP and web integration stuff, and everything just went downhill Then the lazy layering started, with UI elements from Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7/Vista, Windows XP and freaking *_WINDOWS 3.1_* in Windows 11 Hell, even Windows 98 was different enough from 95 to be considered a new OS Microsoft never tries these days, instead of rebuilding the weak, unstable foundation, (as Enderman said) sanding down the rust, cleaning every stain, polishing everything properly and *_THEN_* adding a fresh new coat of paint they just throw away the sandpaper and turn over the bucket of paint and splatter that brand new UI paint all over a small area of a giant, largely neglected OS They were right when they said 10 would be the last release... but in the worst way
@@𰻝 It is layering, honestly, the modern Windows OS goes back to 1993 or so with NT 3.1. "Windows 11" is just Windows Vista, that's where we still are honestly, Windows hasn't changed internally since around 2005 or 2006
In 23H2, the scan and fix menu shown at 7:18 is still Windows 7 The Recovery Menu shown at 8:24 is still the same as it was before The eject menu shown at 10:20 is still the same Some stuff hasn't been fixed in almost 2 years Other than those things listed, many of the things shown in this video have been fixed, most notable being massive changes to MS Paint including layers and support for transparency (finally) Although they may have finally changed it in 24H2, with all the bugs and Recall, I'm not sure it's even ready for a production environment
None of these are "mistakes" or "incompetence" on Microsoft's part. They themselves have said that Windows has become just a tool to enforce subscriptions, data collection and ads on their users, like mandatory Microsoft account, telemetry that you can't disable, ads on folders, Candy Crush, Edge being default even if you don't want it, XBOX Game Pass, OneDrive, Microsoft Office... the list goes on. Why would they waste their resources on making a good operating system, if they'll use it only to get people to pay for their stuff? Anyway, I upgraded to Linux when Windows 11 first came out, and now my computer is better than ever. I strongly recommend it to everyone.
@@retroland9703 Oh yeah stuff like adapters might be a problem, good thing I never had to deal with em, only bad thing for me is Nvidia drivers right now and I'll buy a pc with AMD this summer, so my suffering will end
Especially for someone like Enderman, I'm surprised he didn't mention this (especially since he mentioned that the spinning dots on the loading screen have been around since Windows 8 beta).
That is the dev channel, which means it hasn't technically been released yet. Furthermore, it is pathetic that it is taking them over a year to actually start finishing Windows 11
@@DavidNgo86 win11 is basically win10 which is also win8 and that is also win7 and so it goes on. Pretty sure the kernel itself goes back to windows 7/vista (basing off the basic theme when your gpu driver crashes and the installer having win7 basic theme windows)
Fun fact: At 11:20, in Windows 11, if you look closely at the clock, you will notice that the background square of the clock image is a slightly shade of white to the background of the window. The clock is pure white, but the window background is slightly darker.
I find it funny that Microsoft is happy with the "Dark Mode"... how hard it it to update your UI so all the things in the OS works properly with dark mode? I can't use Windows anymore, it's just so low effort and looks like crap. While not perfect Gnome and KDE are quite a bit better than that mess.
Here’s the most probable reason why they didn’t update these leftovers: $atya Nadella is focusing on making Windows more Window$ with M$ $tore, UWP and touchscreen-friendly UI (which simply makes people buy $urface) instead of removing things from older windows versions
4:10 this happened to me multiple times while using a lot of resources, with out even trying I found out that windows 11 is just re textured windows 7 with a few "improvements".
Some of these I can forgive like the volume rocker and the prompt to chose a default program, but some of these like the control panel still being there. It's been 7 years Microsoft, just finish moving all of the settings and remove it already.
Why is it the general consumer's problem? If they really cared for those kind of users they would make a windows version that is separate and has both security updates and all those old dependencies, they annoy those kinds of users anyway by changing defaults and hiding settings so why pretend like they care?
@@snil4 Because that would not be financially viable. There's no company that is your friend, and there's no company, (especially a company that is traded on a stock market) that cares about consumers. Companies care about money. But let's say that Microsoft have 2 separate versions of full-fledged Windows, one for consumers, and one for businesses. There are two problems with that. First one is: one Windows makes a lot more money than the other one, because businesses often pay more, or even pay, for keeping older software alive. The second one is: why would any company keep two very similar products that are not sharing a lot of codebase? And how could those two versions of Windows share a lot of codebase if you're going to throw away half that is there for backwards compatibility, and the other half you're going to replace with shiny new things? You could argue “then why there's Windows 10 and Windows 11 at the same time?” but the situation there is slightly different. First of all, Windows 10 is phased out, second of all, Windows 10 and 11 are sharing a lot of the code, so both teams aren't wasting resources just to make the same thing twice.
how were volume controls changed? does the arrow next to the volume slider in the quick actions panel show a volume mixer or is it still the dumb output device?
6:08 That was there since some of the later betas of Windows 8, so it's been there since around late 2011 - early 2012 And "Smart Screen" as well, one of my most hated features, it's pretty much useless anyway, I think it has to go already
idk if anyone else has noticed this, but theres two types of dialog boxes. one that has the new style, and one that looks identical to the win 9x style, just with a modern color
11:21 Love how the Date and Time dialog clock design originates from the pre-reset Longhorn builds... To be fair, they've come up with a replacement, but it's odd they kept this deprecated feature when happily deleting other applets like the Taskbar settings dialog or Windows Help
Stayed true to Windows since Vista. Moved onto 7, skipped to 10, and upgraded to 11 in 2021. It made my (honestly sad) Ryzen setup cry so hard that I finally decided to pull the trigger and use Linux full time, after previously only having it as a dual-boot. (people telling me to call it GNU/Linux can kiss my...) Biggest breath of fresh air since downgrading my 2012 XPS 13 to Windows 7 from Windows 10 (RIP that laptop)
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
Do you really expect Microsoft to change the UI of every single app for a new release? That's way too much work IMO. Consistency is good, but it'll take a while to get there.
With Windows 11 Microsoft had the chance to rewrite Windows completely; since Windows 11 won't run on "older" computers anyway (or is what MS intends) i can't see a reason why not do it.
Fun fact: Most of Windows xp system programs works well on Windows 10. I have perfectly working version of XP task manager, all games etc. Unfortunately windows 7 must have some bullcrap in every program that prevents it from starting on everything, but 7. I can run win 7 taskmgr on win 7,but can't run it on 10 no matter what I do. 🤔 *UPDATE:* every (system) program since Windows Vista must be accompanied by a MUI file which contains localization for the program.
I also have some XP Apps on my Windows 10 PC (mostly the Games but also Task Manager and Paint) and it works perfectly fine. I also use the Windows 7 Calculator.
I agree about Control Panel. Everything was very well organized and laid out, you could find everything you needed, now theres tons of tabs and stuff and I can never find anything.
When you go into ODBC Data Source Administrator (32-bit), click the Add button, then select the first item from the list, uncheck Use Current Directory, and press Select Directory, you'll get a Window taken straight from Windows 3.1
When I'm writing this comment, about 40-60 percent of the video is now outdated, some of the legacy apps liks the phone, modem etc which no one uses anymore are still untouched but paint, volume keys and most other things shown here have been updated now. A lot of windows 8 UI features are also removed now. But not completely yet.
alright gotta be honest, while this is a very interesting topic that I would love to watch passively while I work, the subtitles absolutely kill me on this. Please make a narrated version of this.
4:20 There's a windows vista program I use that bugs out the window manager when I resize it and uses windows 7 basic, which allowed me to see this long ago, the program is called GlovePIE and is a Programmable Input Emulator that somehow still works good enough. I also thought that you had forgotten about the mouse menu until you said there was going to be a part 2 for vista and older.
I'm wondering, since Windows 11 contains all the ancient windows versions, is there software that turns windows 11 into any lower version by disabling all the new stuff
Windows 8.x was fine, but 10 was awful and 11 is just a cheap knockoff of macOS but with absolutely no changes to the backend and awful stability. Stuff like this is why I don't use Micro$oft products anymore.
Something to mention is "phone and modem applet" is from as far back as Windows 98 (Not sure if it were in NT 4.x, likely as it were a "networked Windows OS", certainly in Win 2000). That applet was essential for dial-up connections and typically showed on startup when running hyperterm.
Oh... They really didn't change anything and brought nothing new except useless 'builtin' features and design elements which are just new layers... I rly would like to see what stayed here from older os'es. Also, it could be very interesting, if you made a video 'bout all the mess they did to control panel.
A good one is any of the active directory admin programs. Active directory users and computers hasn’t changed since windows 2000. Like you said, anything even slightly out of view gets neglected.
22H2 is coming soon, which will make Windows 11 feature complete. This is _Windows as a service_ . A product that is always in testing, improved with updates over time.
They said the exact same thing when they released Windows 10, they promised it would be "Windows as a service" and that it would be improved with updates over time and that it would be the last version of Windows... ... ... oh wait. Fool me once, shame on you, but believe me I'm not going to believe anything that you say from now on.
The dialog at 7:07 is actually Windows 10 styled; Windows 8 stretches the width of the dialog to the entire screen, but here it's wide only to the dialog box content
I mean, that was their plan originally. Not sure what prompted them to release 11 at all. Maybe they thought we'd be accepting of their changes if they didn't just force them as an update but instead released them as a new OS revision? The problem with that is that by making it a new version of Windows, they _greatly_ raised the expectations for it to be of quality, which they weren't expecting.
@@invalid_user_handle It has to do with a certain company with their brand new shiny CPU design wanting a new OS built to maximize its capabilities. And of course with their CPU whitelist, a good portion of PC users simply can't get Windows 11, and when the time comes when Microsoft gives Windows 10 the axe, those who can't update will simply continue to use their outdated and "vulnerable" OS. It's exactly what happened with XP, with the main reason for its decrease in usage being that people just finally got new computers.
this video perfectly showcases one of my biggest complaints with modern windows, and one of the biggest reasons why i made the switch to linux a few months ago. ever since windows 8, it feels like microsoft has just been slapping more and more things onto windows 7 and calling it a day (granted, windows 7 is possibly my favorite os of all time but i dont like the things theyve been slapping onto it). they were already doing this to a degree before win7, but i think the switch in aesthetic from aero to metro and the introduction of uwp and other tablet-friendly features made it significantly more noticeable since there was now a much bigger contrast between the legacy stuff and the new stuff. windows 11 feels like a weird mishmash of features from all the last windows versions since 7. there is no consistency. i dont think i need to point out any examples, just watch the video, but it just feels lazy and unpolished. i cannot believe that control panel still needs to exist after 10 YEARS of trying to phase it out because there are just still some things you cant do in settings, and thats just the biggest example. i find it hilarious that one of the biggest companies in the world known primarily for their operating system that is used on billions of computers cannot develop a more consistent os than a bunch of random open source developers that usually work for no pay developing programs for an os with countless different distributions and only a 2% desktop marketshare. seriously, on linux theres pretty much only gtk and qt apps, and both can be themed extensively, including to look almost identical to each other. you can barely even theme windows anymore at all. i hope microsoft completely overhauls windows one day, but it seems like theyre either too low on manpower or too lazy to be bothered
Yeah, the newest update just bricked my Settings app (ms-settings:). Can’t change anything about my pc outside of options that are completely reliant on control panel :/
Quite a few of these things are being fixed in the Insider Builds. New task manager, LogonUI accessibility UI is now properly styled (albeit the network panel is still Windows 10), volume flyout is now styled. Might be worth taking another look on the next major update. Albeit a lot of the crud/legacy will likely still remain.
I feel like Windows 10 had the right style. New apps would look good on it, and apps that were older would look decent, or at least not out of place-- unless it's an app from Windows 7, Vista, or XP using compatibility mode. With Windows 11, old apps just don't feel.... Right. Imagine an app running in Windows 95 compatibility mode using Windows 11 & Windows 10. In my opinion, Windows 10 would end up looking miles better. If anything I think that Microsoft has been getting lazier since Windows 8 was released; All the Windows Versions before would either overhaul everything, or they wouldn't do it at all. However, Windows 8 still had many unchanged apps; but in the case of that, I guess it made sense; after all, they had a design that made older apps look fine. That made things way easier. In Windows 11, they ended up adding corners to the windows, but due to some of the remnants and compatibility mode for Windows 7 apps & older having square corners, it looks really rough around the edges. For goodness sakes, Microsoft added the settings app, which had fewer options than the control panel, not to mention that they still *kept* the control panel! Settings may be more intuitive, but it's very much worse in what you can do; oftentimes I find myself looking through settings only to be unable to find something, having to use the control panel instead. Come on, Microsoft! Wake up!
Everybody complains about backwards compatibility layers in Windows then they plug in their 20 year old USB device and expect it to work perfectly (and it usually does). Windows' spaghetti code has made it amazingly versatile and future proof. And I know that you know that a big reason for the backwards compatibility is for enterprise users; it's not as simple as "developers are lazy". The amount of times that Windows backcompat has saved me cannot be counted on two hands, and the times where it's annoyed me can be counted on one.
Windows 11 literally has no reason to even exist, and it appears to be a rushed hatchet job to make it look like Windows isn't stagnant. It's just Windows 10 but with a new theme and higher system requirements to plan the obsolescence of computers.
It wasn't even meant to replace Windows 10. The original Windows 11 project was Windows 10X, an operating system meant specifically for dual-screen devices. Then out of nowhere they took a complete 180 and decided that it would eventually replace Windows 10.
The funniest piece is when you type ‘Control Panel’ into file explorer - it shows control panel home, but with one option as ‘Backup and restore (windows 7)’
To be fair Windows 11 was supposed to be a big update to Windows 10 until the marketing team at Microsoft came to the conclusion that releasing a new OS would be better
Great video. This just shows that Microsoft is lazy and willing to keep all this under the hood for backward compatibility (business) and mainly change things the average user cares about (UI, apps). For your part 2 video, could you mention the Windows NT remnants in ODBC Data Sources, mainly the Windows File Manager selector? Also, there are really old app icons in Windows.
When regarding that most of the network infrastructure is based on Linux and even Android is, Linux is probably the mostly used OS of them all. I mean, even board computers/entertainment centers of cars often run Linux.
Things that have been updated since this video: -Accessibility flyout has been updated for windows 11 -Task manager has been updated and redesigned for Windows 11. There's a search bar, you access the different panels through a sidebar, and the colors for high usage now follow your accent color. -Volume rockers were also updated -Select an app to open this type of file has been updated -I thought that paint has always been updated for Windows 11, but apparently, I was wrong and it was redesigned in an update.
Windows has always been a jumbled mess of code and features dating back to the ms-dos days to present day. The last version that looked consistent and visually appealing was Windows 7, but even then cracks were showing with the windows 9x style icons and same UI elements from windows 9x/nt/2000/xp, with how they handled their msstyles themes and the desktop composition engine, but then they started pushing their horrible, ugly, lazily developed UWP style, disabling customizability features and any windows explorer integration without removing the old windows 9x/nt/2000/xp/vista/7 era UI but simply hiding it and disabling it in the registry. They are literally too lazy to even use their own pre existing msstyles system in favor of their bloated UWP style which they have been too lazy to complete since Windows 8 to make system wide dark more or even change a simple string in the registry from 10 to 11. Absolutely disgusting for such a large company whose software runs on 90% of computers. In my opinion Microsoft needs a clean slate. The windows project right now is way too far gone and each release is simply a fresh coat of paint on windows xp and I see mac and linux taking over windows as linux becomes more mainstream and more and more people begin to get disgusted from windows.
@@DankyMankey msft employees are working their butt off, pc companies wanted windows to release early and now they have to actually finish windows 11 for the 2022 release
Fun fact: The dial modem dialogue box is here since Windows 95 and has never been touched since
You can also find the windows 3.1 file selection dialog
@@tzebruh True.
VIdeo was named "The state(lemate) of Windows".
*maybe* it was touched to make it work on 64 bit *(MAYBE)*
@@alexandrubossro since windows 10 is based off nt and nt started around 1993 (NT 3.1x and 3.51) i could say thats not true
I feel like Microsoft has huge management issues. There are definitely some extremely talented people willing to rewrite all of the code from scratch, but their managers have different priorities. I think that's one of the benefits of opensource, it's not really plagued by corporatism.
Keeping up with backwards compatibility while rewriting wouldn't be that well done prob.
its funny microsoft owns the biggest open source website
@@DiamondZombie But it surely is possible with enough time, passion and effort. And to clarify, they need to rewrite only the UI. WinAPI is fine mostly.
@@DiamondZombie Microsoft is a multi trillion dollar company. I'm sure they can figure out how to update Windows 98 dialogs without breaking backwards compatibility.
Microsoft has broken backwards compatibility plenty of times before. In many respects, Wine has superior compatibility with legacy Windows app then Windows 11 does. Of course, OSX's backwards compatibility (or lack thereof) makes Microsoft look like absolute gods.
Microsoft should focus a little more on this issue. Luckily people started noticing this and thanks to that there are now several improvements to insider builds, like the redesigned notepad or updated volume flyout, although it would have been better not to rush the launch and ship the os when it is really ready.
Since Windows 8 (a decade) they want to modernize the UI but the only thing they have achieved is more and more inconsistency in each new system and duplicate apps. It's disappointing to see basic parts of the system that don't respect the dark mode or not being updated since Vista :(
Imo, win 7 is still the perfect windows to this day. Minimal inconsistency, maximal performance and experience.
@@nahrafeyes bro, i think the same
@@skye5130 too bad Microsoft abandoned them. Honestly if Microsoft retained some of the features to make windows more consistent and pick-choosing them, i am fine with "reskinned windows". Example, stick with control panel and no need for PC settings. Then stick with windows 8 task manager which is obviously better than windows 7. I don't like how control panel and PC settings coexist nowadays.. and other things.
@idk what to put here But they won't. They need that sweet sweet user data to sell to advertisers for lucrative profits.
@idk what to put here lmao? Mac is equally as bad as windows really
I think code reuse is ultimately fine if it leads to a better experience and allows devs to fix and update core systems more heavily, but from my experience Microsoft isn't very interested in doing that either. They very much want to repaint over everything and act like it's brand new while only tweaking a few things in the background. I feel like when it comes to UI stuff in particular is just that Microsoft has never really been a forward facing company and doesn't really plan for the future. So many default apps are written in such a way that they handle their own look and feel independently, rather than using a core theme engine. This is also why Windows doesn't really support themes in any meaningful way. Unlike linux apps that either utilize gtk, kvantum, or libadwaita and can be themed at a system level. But Microsoft doesn't seem interested in going back and refactoring their code base, (probably because it would possibly break backwards compatibility or just be too expensive to actually do at this point), while continually applying more and more coats of paint with every release. This is a problem that is only going to get more and more difficult as it's ignored.
did you deadass just say that libadwaita can be "themed at a system level"
libadwaita themes are like windows themes. they're not officially supported and they break all the time.
@@poudink5791 No, I said it was a central theme engine. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply all the theme engines I listed are themeable, just that they are centralized. I know you can't with libadwaita, just that it's not handled by apps individually.
@@onelazynoob15 you can theme it if you recompile or override with GTK_THEME, it's not officially supported but works just fine.
Windows has customizable high contrast themes
@@onelazynoob15 Msstyles exist.
Also, the low battery screen is from win 8 and covers your entire screen
Updated alredy on first launch of Windows 11
I preferred the small pop-up from windows 7, it was way less irritating than the entire pop-up. On android, a small pop-up is way better than the whole pop-up while I wish I could just customize as sound only to overcome the hassle. Notice the converse between windows and android.
the worst part is when it tabs you out of fullscreen apps
Prior to 8, I believe Microsoft used the approach where they'd add onto or change existing windows features. Meaning that they'd either completely rework something (windows update) or they'll update (control panel).
After Windows 8 however. They essentially started to become lazy. Instead of updating features of Windows so things stay consistent. They started essentially layering new features ontop of Windows. A few of those Windows 7 remnants can be found as far back as Windows NT, but since MS use to update the grathics system wide back in the day. It was far less noticeable.
They most likely only did it to win 8 too because it was meant to be a shared operating system with Windows Phones.
The CEO of Microsoft during the Windows 8 era was Steve Ballmer. Then the CEO was changed for Satya Nadella, who is still the CEO of the company. That's probably the reason for the poor management.
Employees: We need new features and looks for our new windows!
Microsoft: Okay just code some extra stuff into our existing OS and we'll call it a day. Here's your paycheck.
Aka incorporating the Start Menu from 10X
A microsoft employee made Eartrumpet compare it with the windows volume mixer. Its just old. Also I found out that the volume mixer of windows is from xp. Strange they didn't thought of such a god feature
Also microsoft: also, you're fired. We don't take kindly to folks with actual new ideas in here.
@@absurddive Exactly.
what's wrong with coding extra stuff? that's how every version of Windows/Mac/Linux is made.
There are some stuff in this video that either have already been fixed or have a fix coming :
- 1:20 The calculator did get updated to match Windows 11's design. I don't know why Windows 11 comes with the old calculator pre-installed but it should get updated to the new version automatically shortly after you install W11.
- 2:31 That flyout has been redesigned for the upcoming 22H2 update. It should have been redesigned way earlier but at least they have worked on it. Can't say the same for the Wi-Fi flyout though
- 5:30 Task Manager has an updated version coming too with dark theme support, Mica elements, the accent color being used instead of orange and layout changes.
- 6:02 Same goes for the volume and brightness flyouts; their design and even position have been changed.
- 6:35 They updated the design of this dialog but scrapped the redesign for the time being, apparently due to the feedback saying the updated dialog was slow or buggy
- 8:06 This has been changed too. The new animation is kinda similar to the old one but also quite different
- 12:31 MS Paint has been updated and the updated version is available to everyone already. It's functionally the same program but its design is quite different and Microsoft has promised to update it further to add stuff like dark theme support
Windows 11 was released in a pretty dumb state but at least Microsoft is actually working on fixing some inconsistencies this time around instead of completely ignoring most of them like they did back in the Windows 10 days
Windows 11 still comes with older versions of many updatable apps on clean installs (as of 21H2)
its actually fine rn.. except some dirt to scrape off.. like dialer.exe from W95
that's honestly not needed as anyone who still needs it would not have a computer that can even run windows 10
Even the current "open with" UI is kind of slow (if you compare to how fast Windows 7 open with dialog opens, you know what I’m talking about), but it isn’t buggy, so at least it has that going for it. And why do I have to click show more programs and scroll down to select a custom program?
@@MarkusMaal Probably to prevent users who don't know what they're doing from opening files with programs that don't support the file's type
1:20 windows 11 is literally windows 10, but windows 11 has apis that windows 10 does not, and the update to get windows 11's new designs are only possible after updating to windows 11. You're not getting a different calculator you're just updating to the new version
I think that of instead of putting ads into their paid software, Microsoft should focus on updating the UI.
yeah i mean they still have the code for 7's and vista's ui
that IS the ui update
@@SlimbTheSlime but it sucks and is just overlaid on top of the UI
@@SlimbTheSlime it is garbage so yeah
It's a mystery to me how you can intentionally keep legacy code and just add new features without making the whole development process extremely tedious.
Not to mention the wasted space, the old assets must be taking up gigabytes of storage space
Intentionally?
a complete install of windows98/95 takes up less then 5gb
@@commandgames4857 No shit sherlock
Oh boy you wouldn't believe the minority who still use those old assets, such as dial-up
Those are like for the military and 80 year old grandpas, changing them would just make it worse for them
MS is in a dilemma, if they change it, a specific group suffers and everybody complains about "compatability" and them "making it worse"
If they dont, we complain about old remnants
@@commandgames4857 not even 500 mb. minimal install of windows 95 takes 90 mb, and complete takes ~130 mb.
I've noticed this ever since I used my first Windows PC. It ran Windows 98 even that had remnants from Windows 3.1. I first used a Windows XP laptop when I was about 6 years old. I remember using Microsoft Works on it (the crappy cheap word processing and spreadsheet suite) and seeing how much it looked similar to Windows 98 interface I'd previously used. Even young kids know what they're doing - they don't fool anyone.
The 9x installer uses 3.1, similar to how 10+ uses PE.
@@elephystry its vista+
You can actually change some files and boot into the classic Program Manager (progman.exe) instead of explorer.exe, and without explorer.exe running on modern Windows when you minimize the windows have windows 3.1 behavior
Edit: Progman is only on 95 (maybe 9x in general, only tried on 95)
For a reason or another , windows is a cake with a lot of layers , with xp+ programs , 11 is a xp vista 7 8 and 10 cake with rounded corners and new icons
look for the offline web pages folder in windows 11
Windows 11 is a mixed feeling for me, however very relieved to see they're actively improving it to make it actually separate from 10. Doesn't excuse the fact that they didn't delay it though
Windows is literally spyware now. Get linux mint.
It's worth noting the latest insider builds have fixed things like the dated volume UI, and will probably ship in 22H2. But it's such a disgrace that the OS has essentially shipped unfinished this way and we're expected to just accept it for a year until they "patch" it like a AAA game.
for a year? more like for a decade
Microsoft said there would be one big update every year so it would be 23
@@Cart1416 22H2 is the main build number for the current insider build so it will be late 22, October typically. You just might not see it until early 23 unless you manually upgrade.
@@AlexWinExperiments a decade? More like 4 decades.
I don't even see Windows 11 as an unfinished product, I see it as a patch to Windows 10. Windows 7 was honestly the last OS in which Microsoft actually cared about changing stuff instead lazily add an UI overlay, like look at Windows 11's taskbar: incomplete and LITERALLY an Overlay for the hidden Windows 10 one! Windows 8 was pretty knowingly a shit update, but at least stuff fitted way better since it was pretty much similar to Windows 7, and the Metro stuff was more like a different world from Win32 in which everything actually fitted together
5:28 Actually in the Beta and Dev channel, with the new releases the task manager has undergone quite a big change, now featuring a dark theme, and a vertical bar instead of the horizontal one
- - Edit
6:14 The volume rocker is now horizontal in the low centre of the screen, just above the taskbar
yes
Win1122H2
i dont like the new ui tbh. i liked the old windows 10 ui (and the volume slider, its a lot harder to see it now which can get very obnoxious for me)
And Ms paint is updated too
well, it's always been like that, Microsoft stacking a new version on top of the older one. i think it's been like this since the development of XP.
I think way earlier than that lol. I saw some left overs from Windows 95 once.
thanks for clarifying yall
*win vista
All OS vendors stack new versions on top of others, but they have the good taste to hire some UI designers to re-design the UI of the old stuff and make it modern. That way, the code underneath might be 20 years old and you'd never know. Microsoft just don't have the good taste to do that.
Everybody who took even a brief look at Windows source code (which is publicly available since 2004) knows that all Windows versions share a common source code, with new features just added to that already existing code. It isn't news, at all.
Windows sources are full of directives like #ifdef WINNT, that separate parts those are specifically for NT-based systems (NT, 2000, XP and all later versions) and those are specifically for 9x (95/98/ME).
The main difference between 9x and NT is char type: ANSI for 9x, UNICODE for NT.
But even without source code, it's pretty obvious that all Win versions have a lot in common, like seriously.
Same file and catalog structure, same dialog window all over GUI, same tiny little things of behaviour, same registry with a small set of keys unique for 9x against NT, and even smaller set for versions inside two major branches.
In my opinion Windows 7 was like a nice and polished house with all the tools you need organized very well. Newer versions are like if someone went to that house, took half of the tools and threw them in a giant pile in the corner of the basement, because they want the house to look "clean". And then they lock the door to those tools and buy shitty replacements for *some* of those tools. And then they rip out and burn every curtain, table cloth or anything that looks nice to make it more "minimalistic".
Thanks for reading my rant
What most people are glossing over is that they never threw the old tools away when they could have. Think about how much worse it would be if they had, and any other company would have thrown away the tools. Might have to make a video about that, it's frustrating how one sided some of these conversations can get. The irony is that if they had done as many want them to do, Windows would have been truly ruined. I know that there have been times where you've been thankful to have the old control panel (especially if you ever used Windows 8), come on now. The irony is that you're giving them way too much credit. We need the backcompat because Microsoft takes an entire decade to get new UX correct. ☺
At least we can pick the lock using 3rd party tools and regedit
I use magnifier day to day on w11 because of visual disabilities, I really wish they did whatever mechanism they use for it better, because if the cursor is overwritten by anything like a game or an editor if they do custom rendering, it stops following my mouse altogether and it gets really frustrating. There's a lot of weird fucked up quirks with it and it's kind of upsetting that they don't give much support for it, but I've come to terms with that a long time ago.
The easiest way I can think of is using a special/optional key shortcut. Move the screen zoom while the service is active with the directional keys with smooth scroll to ease the eyes too.
Why not just use the display DPI setting? It’s in the display settings.
@@andrewgaming1117 Well, that usually just removes the amount of workspace I have on the screen, and it's applied all the time, not only when I need it. I mean, I could get a new monitor, but the one I have's been good enough for the most part.
@@moister3727 Oh yeah, it has shortcuts, WIN++ and - are ingrained within the side of my brain. I've been partial to just using the mouse to navigate since that's the most convenient to navigate.
@@hunnybon It's easier with key shortcuts if you ask me, specially if you can customize the bindings. I don't know how can you do that on Windows or if it's permanent, my setup to zoom on Linux is like I described up there.
I just want to get rid out of the mouse whenever possible.
Here's why a lot of people (including me) are considering Windows 7 as the last good version of Windows before MS destroys everything starting with Windows 8.
Windows 8 still was an update, but we could start to have the issue. Also it seems you can BARELY start to see the issue from windows 7, even then it was great.
@@SOTP. True. Windows 8 was still part of the NT 6 Kernel.
@@SOTP.It's like Microsoft makes every version of windows slightly worse until people notice
how do i install windows 7 through usb
Microsoft be like: Guys, I have an idea for Windows 11, lets have rounded corners and new icons, that will work!
making Windows look like macOS? S E L L I N G P O I N T .
@@itizjuan why are you speaking so many facts in one comment? C O M M E N T P O I N T .
Also lets do a half developpement and have memory leaks!
@@SOTP. and increase hardware requirements
@@jacobmars1902 for no reason, and do it only in winpe.
I actually got so frustrated with 11 that I reinstalled to Windows 10 on my laptop. I'd do it to my desktop, but it's too well setup for that.
The age of everything is connected has given companies a way to simply shove out a broken product and patch it all up later.
They didn't have that luxury before the Internet was as prevalent, so if say WIndows 95 was broken on launch, that would ding the reputation of WIndows, so they had to get it right or the consequences would be dire.
Today, they just press buttons and the update is automagically distributed.
The spinning dots in the boot sequence actually become a spinning line in later versions
Oh cool
windows 10x moment
Lets not speak about the memory leak that causes by dwm because the "new" animations and cricled windows and some transparent things. Also the photos app is have a memory leak too. Thank you Microsoft for releasing a half complete beta os with a lot of memory leaks.
Mem leaks is a big no no for me. Thanks for the warning.
Been learning linux but kubuntu had instead entertained me by it's instability.
@@ahmadnurruddinzainori8648 You should try out something XFCE based. I find it incredibly stable, I've never really had any crashes or super unusual issues with it. the UI is more windows XP-7 in its design philosophy which I prefer. It's a project that moves very slowly but I prefer that as well
@@ryjelsum Man I love xfce too but I have issues with drivers
@@retroland9703 that's not xfce's fault at all lmao
@@ryjelsum I use virtual box instead
Why can't they just take the route that DE's like KDE Plasma take and just let me customize window appearance and whatnot? Nobody would complain about the awful changes (since you can easily revert it) and they're ALREADY DOING THIS WORK ANYWAY.
its insane how little control you truely have over your own pc when using windows
@CreativeUnoriginals If they do any more stupid things (read: next Tuesday) we defenestrate the entire staff.
for the love of god no, no buggy linux desktop
@@sayori3939 what Linux desktop? Plasma is not Linux exclusive you can compile it for bsd too.
@@utfigyii5987 desktop environment
4:12 Heyyy Microsoft, why is the QR Code BLUE? And why does the text also look BLUE? Don't tell me they used a terrible paintbucket tool.
7:20 Win7 Style Arrows!
8:37 Win7 Basic because that's what it's built on.
10:15 That's the same tray as in Windows 10.
11:05 No change at all.
11:14 Wow that just looks like a typical Win7 progress bar except it's not got that fade.
11:21 Haha pretty sure the clock is the same
11:29 Sheesh, those icons!
11:45 3D textboxes! Look like they were made out of Python Tkinter or smth
13:06 Gosh, that looks so 1990-esque!
me and my father have always been saying this for maybe two or three years. I believe there's still even some stuff from the DOS era too that might be there if you look hard enough.
didn't they erase dos from existence since the NT kernel?
The only time they actually updated it was from 9x to NT, which killed DOS.
note: many of them are fixed in later versions of Windows 11 such as 23H2, like the menus that pop out on the lock screen.
It's been this way the whole time. Yes, it's more obvious in Windows 11 (especially since Winver reports it as Windows NT 10.0 still, that's the killer.) But from the things you've shown in the video, then Windows 11 is just Windows NT 4.0 with a prettier UI. It's also XP and Vista and 7 and 8 and 8.1. The Windows 7 Basic theme still exists in 11, as well as the Windows Classic theme. And also Aero Lite from Windows 8. Guess Microsoft is just finally seeing the effects of having layered on top of an OS since 1996...
Not NT 4.0, but 2000. That was the last release that avoided layers in UI, almost.
All releases since then layered UIs more and more.
@@cacodemon345 At least Microsoft actually tried to make the layer system work up until Windows 7 by having many things stay the same internally, just richer and richer in functionality (you know what I mean right?)
Then they started with that UWP and web integration stuff, and everything just went downhill
Then the lazy layering started, with UI elements from Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7/Vista, Windows XP and freaking *_WINDOWS 3.1_* in Windows 11
Hell, even Windows 98 was different enough from 95 to be considered a new OS
Microsoft never tries these days, instead of rebuilding the weak, unstable foundation, (as Enderman said) sanding down the rust, cleaning every stain, polishing everything properly and *_THEN_* adding a fresh new coat of paint they just throw away the sandpaper and turn over the bucket of paint and splatter that brand new UI paint all over a small area of a giant, largely neglected OS
They were right when they said 10 would be the last release... but in the worst way
It's not layering, it's evolving
@@𰻝 It is layering, honestly, the modern Windows OS goes back to 1993 or so with NT 3.1.
"Windows 11" is just Windows Vista, that's where we still are honestly, Windows hasn't changed internally since around 2005 or 2006
@@𰻝 ...just backwards
In 23H2, the scan and fix menu shown at 7:18 is still Windows 7
The Recovery Menu shown at 8:24 is still the same as it was before
The eject menu shown at 10:20 is still the same
Some stuff hasn't been fixed in almost 2 years
Other than those things listed, many of the things shown in this video have been fixed, most notable being massive changes to MS Paint including layers and support for transparency (finally)
Although they may have finally changed it in 24H2, with all the bugs and Recall, I'm not sure it's even ready for a production environment
None of these are "mistakes" or "incompetence" on Microsoft's part. They themselves have said that Windows has become just a tool to enforce subscriptions, data collection and ads on their users, like mandatory Microsoft account, telemetry that you can't disable, ads on folders, Candy Crush, Edge being default even if you don't want it, XBOX Game Pass, OneDrive, Microsoft Office... the list goes on. Why would they waste their resources on making a good operating system, if they'll use it only to get people to pay for their stuff?
Anyway, I upgraded to Linux when Windows 11 first came out, and now my computer is better than ever. I strongly recommend it to everyone.
I'd like to but I have always probs with drivers not optimized
@@retroland9703 Nvidia?
@@kmmmsyr9883 No wifi adapter from tp link and I have all ryzen radeon plus I had probs with dual boot W10 on ubuntu distribs
@@retroland9703 Oh yeah stuff like adapters might be a problem, good thing I never had to deal with em, only bad thing for me is Nvidia drivers right now and I'll buy a pc with AMD this summer, so my suffering will end
@@kmmmsyr9883 well you will not have issues with nvidia soon since they open sourced their kernel.
4:14 I remember I would spam F11 and it would glitch into a loop forever and you can see 7 basic (wish It was a theme)
And several of those you mentioned have been updated to match Windows 11 design on latest Dev channel.
Especially for someone like Enderman, I'm surprised he didn't mention this (especially since he mentioned that the spinning dots on the loading screen have been around since Windows 8 beta).
That is the dev channel, which means it hasn't technically been released yet. Furthermore, it is pathetic that it is taking them over a year to actually start finishing Windows 11
True that enderman should have said it but still it's so lame that they have to fix it months after the initial release
11 is just 10 with fresh coat of paint
@@DavidNgo86 win11 is basically win10 which is also win8 and that is also win7 and so it goes on. Pretty sure the kernel itself goes back to windows 7/vista (basing off the basic theme when your gpu driver crashes and the installer having win7 basic theme windows)
Fun fact: At 11:20, in Windows 11, if you look closely at the clock, you will notice that the background square of the clock image is a slightly shade of white to the background of the window. The clock is pure white, but the window background is slightly darker.
I find it funny that Microsoft is happy with the "Dark Mode"... how hard it it to update your UI so all the things in the OS works properly with dark mode?
I can't use Windows anymore, it's just so low effort and looks like crap. While not perfect Gnome and KDE are quite a bit better than that mess.
Well, to be fair, they could've turned WordPad into a straight-up Office advertisement, but they didn't, and I commend them for that.
Here’s the most probable reason why they didn’t update these leftovers: $atya Nadella is focusing on making Windows more Window$ with M$ $tore, UWP and touchscreen-friendly UI (which simply makes people buy $urface) instead of removing things from older windows versions
exactly
UWP, touchscreen, modern apps are getting neglected, but true, the focus is on MS Store... with old Win32 crashware/spyware and Webapps in the store.
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4:10 this happened to me multiple times while using a lot of resources, with out even trying I found out that windows 11 is just re textured windows 7 with a few "improvements".
Some of these I can forgive like the volume rocker and the prompt to chose a default program, but some of these like the control panel still being there. It's been 7 years Microsoft, just finish moving all of the settings and remove it already.
Or better yet, add Dark mode to Control Panel and add more Settings to it.
@@EP1CxEMAN08 why add more things to a tool added in 2009? Microsoft should just get their shit together and fix the windows settings
backwards compatibility for consumers is just a bonus
the thing is, some companies are relying on software that sometimes is just as old as windows is
Why is it the general consumer's problem? If they really cared for those kind of users they would make a windows version that is separate and has both security updates and all those old dependencies, they annoy those kinds of users anyway by changing defaults and hiding settings so why pretend like they care?
@@snil4 Because that would not be financially viable. There's no company that is your friend, and there's no company, (especially a company that is traded on a stock market) that cares about consumers. Companies care about money.
But let's say that Microsoft have 2 separate versions of full-fledged Windows, one for consumers, and one for businesses.
There are two problems with that.
First one is: one Windows makes a lot more money than the other one, because businesses often pay more, or even pay, for keeping older software alive.
The second one is: why would any company keep two very similar products that are not sharing a lot of codebase? And how could those two versions of Windows share a lot of codebase if you're going to throw away half that is there for backwards compatibility, and the other half you're going to replace with shiny new things?
You could argue “then why there's Windows 10 and Windows 11 at the same time?” but the situation there is slightly different.
First of all, Windows 10 is phased out, second of all, Windows 10 and 11 are sharing a lot of the code, so both teams aren't wasting resources just to make the same thing twice.
On the dev build of insider preview, they actually changed volume and brightness controlls.
how were volume controls changed?
does the arrow next to the volume slider in the quick actions panel show a volume mixer or is it still the dumb output device?
@@burkino7046 they changed it like this: th-cam.com/video/m8bKzi7PQRU/w-d-xo.html
@@burkino7046 Google It
22H2
I'm pretty sure they've carried that OOBE menu somewhere from Windows 10. That menu, wherever it's hidden, is a remnant from Windows *3.1!*
6:08 That was there since some of the later betas of Windows 8, so it's been there since around late 2011 - early 2012
And "Smart Screen" as well, one of my most hated features, it's pretty much useless anyway, I think it has to go already
@@RowanBird779 Smart screen should get merged in the UAC system and the user must have the ability to customize it as they like
idk if anyone else has noticed this, but theres two types of dialog boxes. one that has the new style, and one that looks identical to the win 9x style, just with a modern color
Personally I think it's cool that there are older bits retained in newer versions
That’s why windows is so heavy and sluggish on most hardware.
4:38 I like how the edges are badly antialiased so you can see blue in them
11:21 Love how the Date and Time dialog clock design originates from the pre-reset Longhorn builds...
To be fair, they've come up with a replacement, but it's odd they kept this deprecated feature when happily deleting other applets like the Taskbar settings dialog or Windows Help
4:08 I also seen Windows 7 glimpses when resizing certain windows!
There's still dialer.exe which is leftover of Windows 95! Also MTP file transfer is one of the most annoying things out there
Stayed true to Windows since Vista. Moved onto 7, skipped to 10, and upgraded to 11 in 2021. It made my (honestly sad) Ryzen setup cry so hard that I finally decided to pull the trigger and use Linux full time, after previously only having it as a dual-boot. (people telling me to call it GNU/Linux can kiss my...) Biggest breath of fresh air since downgrading my 2012 XPS 13 to Windows 7 from Windows 10 (RIP that laptop)
What distro?
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
@@ahmadnurruddinzainori8648 Zorin OS 16 Pro, would've used arch (btw) but I'm more accustomed to Debian-based distributions.
@@frostech3149 I like how easy it is to get a minimal arch install but I hate the instability of a rolling release.
@@frostech3149 sheeesh 🥶 great choice
Do you really expect Microsoft to change the UI of every single app for a new release? That's way too much work IMO. Consistency is good, but it'll take a while to get there.
With Windows 11 Microsoft had the chance to rewrite Windows completely; since Windows 11 won't run on "older" computers anyway (or is what MS intends) i can't see a reason why not do it.
We didn't even know Microsoft is going to release a new version of Windows until really late. We knew the Sun Valley project as Windows 10 21H2
Fun fact: Most of Windows xp system programs works well on Windows 10. I have perfectly working version of XP task manager, all games etc.
Unfortunately windows 7 must have some bullcrap in every program that prevents it from starting on everything, but 7.
I can run win 7 taskmgr on win 7,but can't run it on 10 no matter what I do. 🤔
*UPDATE:* every (system) program since Windows Vista must be accompanied by a MUI file which contains localization for the program.
I also have some XP Apps on my Windows 10 PC (mostly the Games but also Task Manager and Paint) and it works perfectly fine. I also use the Windows 7 Calculator.
@@JuBa012 yeah. The only win7 thing that works is the calculator which is actually downloaded from somewhere instead of taken from the windows folder
There is a winaero windows 7 task manager which works on 10
i was able to run a notification on my windows 10 pc that says something about windows XP being on its end of support somewhere in 2014 (xp_eos.exe)
@@jacobeii Did you get the file from windows xp or it is included on 10?
I agree about Control Panel. Everything was very well organized and laid out, you could find everything you needed, now theres tons of tabs and stuff and I can never find anything.
When you go into ODBC Data Source Administrator (32-bit), click the Add button, then select the first item from the list, uncheck Use Current Directory, and press Select Directory, you'll get a Window taken straight from Windows 3.1
When I'm writing this comment, about 40-60 percent of the video is now outdated, some of the legacy apps liks the phone, modem etc which no one uses anymore are still untouched but paint, volume keys and most other things shown here have been updated now. A lot of windows 8 UI features are also removed now. But not completely yet.
alright gotta be honest, while this is a very interesting topic that I would love to watch passively while I work, the subtitles absolutely kill me on this.
Please make a narrated version of this.
If you start explorer.exe from the login screen in Windows 11, the Windows 10 taskbar comes up.
8:05 those dots have irked me since their initial design, as they both appear and disappear off-centre, and in a slightly different place
Hey, will you do a remake of this video and compare? Surely Windows 11 has changed a lot since.
4:20 There's a windows vista program I use that bugs out the window manager when I resize it and uses windows 7 basic, which allowed me to see this long ago, the program is called GlovePIE and is a Programmable Input Emulator that somehow still works good enough.
I also thought that you had forgotten about the mouse menu until you said there was going to be a part 2 for vista and older.
1. I seriously adore this fox background
2. You’re always hitting me with old Geometry Dash famous tracks
3. Windows 11 is pulling a Vista
I hope somebody makes an edited Desktop Windows Management with the windows 7 basic theme I think it would look so cool.
4:03 It's a Vista's one, not even the 7
12:08 Remote Desktop Connection has a new app. To use, Press [Windows] + [CTRL] + [Q]
Quick Assist has different uses than remote desktop connection.
all the microsoft OS's just had the greatest collab of all time.
As per usual. Interesting content, genuine Microsoft failures, great music. Could not be better, Andrew. Amazing vid.
Some of the Windows 8/10 Remnants were eventually replaced starting in 22H2 (task manager, file explorer, volume, etc.)
Id rather have microsoft not touch the non UWP programs as the ones that have been touched are hideous and too simple.
Thing: The Insider builds are the REAL state of Windows 11, and it looks more finished (obviously).
IKR
4:38 The QR code is still windows-blue...
and the text antialiasing
@@tl1882
That's true...
@@Lampe2020 even it happens on windows 10 inside builds
When Enderman uses NK - Nine Circles as his first song of the video.
I'm wondering, since Windows 11 contains all the ancient windows versions, is there software that turns windows 11 into any lower version by disabling all the new stuff
Windows 8.x was fine, but 10 was awful and 11 is just a cheap knockoff of macOS but with absolutely no changes to the backend and awful stability. Stuff like this is why I don't use Micro$oft products anymore.
I know if you dive very deep you can find user select dialogue from Windows 3.1
It's just mind-blowind
WHATTT how
Something to mention is "phone and modem applet" is from as far back as Windows 98 (Not sure if it were in NT 4.x, likely as it were a "networked Windows OS", certainly in Win 2000).
That applet was essential for dial-up connections and typically showed on startup when running hyperterm.
Oh... They really didn't change anything and brought nothing new except useless 'builtin' features and design elements which are just new layers... I rly would like to see what stayed here from older os'es.
Also, it could be very interesting, if you made a video 'bout all the mess they did to control panel.
beeing able to set windows terminal as the default terminal is not usless and WSA has it's uses to
A good one is any of the active directory admin programs. Active directory users and computers hasn’t changed since windows 2000. Like you said, anything even slightly out of view gets neglected.
1:57 Only GD players and NK fans will understand
Also with the firework reference 💀
Thanks for including the track names! Most of those were really dope
22H2 is coming soon, which will make Windows 11 feature complete. This is _Windows as a service_ . A product that is always in testing, improved with updates over time.
That's what windows 10 was supposed to be and they kinda broke that promise
The ukraine flag NPC returns.
They said the exact same thing when they released Windows 10, they promised it would be "Windows as a service" and that it would be improved with updates over time and that it would be the last version of Windows...
...
... oh wait.
Fool me once, shame on you, but believe me I'm not going to believe anything that you say from now on.
The dialog at 7:07 is actually Windows 10 styled; Windows 8 stretches the width of the dialog to the entire screen, but here it's wide only to the dialog box content
Microsoft should've stuck with Windows 10 as the final os and improve it overtime
I mean, that was their plan originally. Not sure what prompted them to release 11 at all. Maybe they thought we'd be accepting of their changes if they didn't just force them as an update but instead released them as a new OS revision? The problem with that is that by making it a new version of Windows, they _greatly_ raised the expectations for it to be of quality, which they weren't expecting.
@@invalid_user_handle It has to do with a certain company with their brand new shiny CPU design wanting a new OS built to maximize its capabilities. And of course with their CPU whitelist, a good portion of PC users simply can't get Windows 11, and when the time comes when Microsoft gives Windows 10 the axe, those who can't update will simply continue to use their outdated and "vulnerable" OS. It's exactly what happened with XP, with the main reason for its decrease in usage being that people just finally got new computers.
@@invalid_user_handle they just abandonned 10x so they thought eh, lets release it but as a new os.
3:55 it’s actually a Windows Vista Starter/Home Basic remnant… so from 15 years ago!!
The basic theme can be enabled in any edition of Windows Vista and 7.
@@ThatRandomToast Yep! It came standard with the lower-end versions of Windows though as Aero was not an option for those versions.
this video perfectly showcases one of my biggest complaints with modern windows, and one of the biggest reasons why i made the switch to linux a few months ago. ever since windows 8, it feels like microsoft has just been slapping more and more things onto windows 7 and calling it a day (granted, windows 7 is possibly my favorite os of all time but i dont like the things theyve been slapping onto it). they were already doing this to a degree before win7, but i think the switch in aesthetic from aero to metro and the introduction of uwp and other tablet-friendly features made it significantly more noticeable since there was now a much bigger contrast between the legacy stuff and the new stuff. windows 11 feels like a weird mishmash of features from all the last windows versions since 7. there is no consistency. i dont think i need to point out any examples, just watch the video, but it just feels lazy and unpolished. i cannot believe that control panel still needs to exist after 10 YEARS of trying to phase it out because there are just still some things you cant do in settings, and thats just the biggest example. i find it hilarious that one of the biggest companies in the world known primarily for their operating system that is used on billions of computers cannot develop a more consistent os than a bunch of random open source developers that usually work for no pay developing programs for an os with countless different distributions and only a 2% desktop marketshare. seriously, on linux theres pretty much only gtk and qt apps, and both can be themed extensively, including to look almost identical to each other. you can barely even theme windows anymore at all. i hope microsoft completely overhauls windows one day, but it seems like theyre either too low on manpower or too lazy to be bothered
I don't like Linux cuz I'm a gamer and Linux is not for gamers
@@NatetheNintendofan ?? linux is just as much for gamers as windows is
So happy this video is back!, Good luck on your channel, I hope it doesn't get terminated
Yeah, the newest update just bricked my Settings app (ms-settings:). Can’t change anything about my pc outside of options that are completely reliant on control panel :/
thats only for some poeple
Quite a few of these things are being fixed in the Insider Builds. New task manager, LogonUI accessibility UI is now properly styled (albeit the network panel is still Windows 10), volume flyout is now styled. Might be worth taking another look on the next major update. Albeit a lot of the crud/legacy will likely still remain.
I feel like Windows 10 had the right style.
New apps would look good on it,
and apps that were older would look decent, or at least not out of place-- unless it's an app from Windows 7, Vista, or XP using compatibility mode.
With Windows 11, old apps just don't feel....
Right.
Imagine an app running in Windows 95 compatibility mode using Windows 11 & Windows 10.
In my opinion, Windows 10 would end up looking miles better.
If anything I think that Microsoft has been getting lazier since Windows 8 was released; All the Windows Versions before would either overhaul everything, or they wouldn't do it at all.
However, Windows 8 still had many unchanged apps; but in the case of that, I guess it made sense; after all, they had a design that made older apps look fine.
That made things way easier.
In Windows 11, they ended up adding corners to the windows, but due to some of the remnants and compatibility mode for Windows 7 apps & older having square corners, it looks really rough around the edges.
For goodness sakes, Microsoft added the settings app, which had fewer options than the control panel, not to mention that they still *kept* the control panel!
Settings may be more intuitive, but it's very much worse in what you can do; oftentimes I find myself looking through settings only to be unable to find something, having to use the control panel instead.
Come on, Microsoft!
Wake up!
Everybody complains about backwards compatibility layers in Windows then they plug in their 20 year old USB device and expect it to work perfectly (and it usually does). Windows' spaghetti code has made it amazingly versatile and future proof. And I know that you know that a big reason for the backwards compatibility is for enterprise users; it's not as simple as "developers are lazy". The amount of times that Windows backcompat has saved me cannot be counted on two hands, and the times where it's annoyed me can be counted on one.
Windows 11 literally has no reason to even exist, and it appears to be a rushed hatchet job to make it look like Windows isn't stagnant. It's just Windows 10 but with a new theme and higher system requirements to plan the obsolescence of computers.
It wasn't even meant to replace Windows 10. The original Windows 11 project was Windows 10X, an operating system meant specifically for dual-screen devices. Then out of nowhere they took a complete 180 and decided that it would eventually replace Windows 10.
The funniest piece is when you type ‘Control Panel’ into file explorer - it shows control panel home, but with one option as ‘Backup and restore (windows 7)’
"Backup and Restore (Windows 7)" is only for legacy backups
To be fair Windows 11 was supposed to be a big update to Windows 10 until the marketing team at Microsoft came to the conclusion that releasing a new OS would be better
I'm going to be like those Windows 7 uses but instead of seven we use 10 cuz I ain't upgraded into Windows 11 until Windows 10 loses support
@@NatetheNintendofan man i wont upgrade even after it looses support, best i might do is move to linux
Man, Enderman just really loves using popular Geometry Dash songs, doesn't he?
Great video. This just shows that Microsoft is lazy and willing to keep all this under the hood for backward compatibility (business) and mainly change things the average user cares about (UI, apps). For your part 2 video, could you mention the Windows NT remnants in ODBC Data Sources, mainly the Windows File Manager selector? Also, there are really old app icons in Windows.
Ah yes, that good ol' Windows NT 3.1 open dialog.
can't forget the WinXP login dialog in some MMCs
All popups like you showed at 7:10 are from Windows 8. The low battery popup is also from Win8
Top secret tip: Just switch over to the Linux side of things and you're good to go!
I found out my country has a 10% OS market share on Linux (more than macOS) and immediately jumped on board, haven’t looked back since
@@justinhamilton8647 Which country? I know Greece is one with >10% share
When regarding that most of the network infrastructure is based on Linux and even Android is, Linux is probably the mostly used OS of them all. I mean, even board computers/entertainment centers of cars often run Linux.
@@waldolemmer it’s Greece yeah
Things that have been updated since this video:
-Accessibility flyout has been updated for windows 11
-Task manager has been updated and redesigned for Windows 11. There's a search bar, you access the different panels through a sidebar, and the colors for high usage now follow your accent color.
-Volume rockers were also updated
-Select an app to open this type of file has been updated
-I thought that paint has always been updated for Windows 11, but apparently, I was wrong and it was redesigned in an update.
Windows has always been a jumbled mess of code and features dating back to the ms-dos days to present day. The last version that looked consistent and visually appealing was Windows 7, but even then cracks were showing with the windows 9x style icons and same UI elements from windows 9x/nt/2000/xp, with how they handled their msstyles themes and the desktop composition engine, but then they started pushing their horrible, ugly, lazily developed UWP style, disabling customizability features and any windows explorer integration without removing the old windows 9x/nt/2000/xp/vista/7 era UI but simply hiding it and disabling it in the registry. They are literally too lazy to even use their own pre existing msstyles system in favor of their bloated UWP style which they have been too lazy to complete since Windows 8 to make system wide dark more or even change a simple string in the registry from 10 to 11. Absolutely disgusting for such a large company whose software runs on 90% of computers. In my opinion Microsoft needs a clean slate. The windows project right now is way too far gone and each release is simply a fresh coat of paint on windows xp and I see mac and linux taking over windows as linux becomes more mainstream and more and more people begin to get disgusted from windows.
8:32 The recovery options was only changed ONE time, but I wouldn't even consider it a major change, and that's the removal of "Refresh PC".
After Windows 7, Microsoft has been just very lazy with their operating system.
Lazy?
@@tobyisawesome yeah, a lot of UI elements that are present in Windows 8-11 still dates back all the way to Windows 7.
@@DankyMankey msft employees are working their butt off, pc companies wanted windows to release early and now they have to actually finish windows 11 for the 2022 release
one old Remanent you did not mention was the microsoft management console which can only be accessed now from services