Lmao, I mean to be fair I was using Linux waaaay before I had anything even close to resembling a “powerhouse workstation”. It is cool though that it’s come this far :)
Entering Valve to the Linux community was a very good Thing. Proton with SteamOS Show the benefit and ability of API Translation without emulating Things. Also Wine are so mature and Well aged. Valve Show how modern simplify GamingUI can be, with Integration of distribution ways. It mean one click to get a Game without config to Play is a high plus to get the Consumer.
Thanks for sharing! I had no idea this existed. That really gives me a use case for Fedora again after many years. I'll try it out by the time LMDE6 is ready and compare them. Also, auto login is great for children & seniors who don't really understand computers and are prone to forget things. But of course, we grownups need passwords.
So for the record I'm not like, diametrically opposed to auto sign in as a feature or concept. I'm opposed to it being on by default when you pitch your OS as a "hey gamers tired of Microsoft, try this totally free replacement that I made seamless just for you!" People will not even realize that's an option, or even a problem. Hell, windows doesn't even allow it without some registry edits and it's still buried in netcplwiz.exe and requires pre entering your password. As an aside this is week 4 of me dailying Nobara and it's freaking great. Fedora that just works. Still have some distros I wanna play with of course but this might stay my daily for some time.
I just came back to Linux as a casual user a couple of days ago when i installed Nobara. I'm enjoying it thoroughly and watching lots of youtube videos about it. :D
I had this issue! Started with Linux mint, and I'm not sure how or why, but it was *just* Cinnamon that was having this issue for me on my old Mac. No other Xorg or Wayland compositor/desktop was giving me any weird half framerate issues, despite the game itself reporting 60. Very strange. (Maybe it was Mutter?)
Oh thank God I’m not alone. I seriously have no idea what could be causing this, it’s such a bizarre combination of failures that just doesn’t make any sense lol
This seems to be the perfect distro for me. Not getting any of the issues I've had with previous distros. Really happy so far and my network is also about twice as fast as on popOS
Curious how a Linux distribution would change your network speed - what hardware are you running on (WiFi vs Ethernet and what’s the chipset)? Curious if this is a “old hardware is just better with newer drivers” thing or a “newer Linux kernels optimize better letting older drivers work better” thing
@@DesignDocsWithJames no idea why it’s faster. It’s Ethernet, on a b450 AORUS Elite. So an older board but I noticed that with different flavours of Linux there was varying network speeds. I think Debian was the worst, so maybe it’s the way each one handles network?
That’s absolutely bizarre friend, I have a few b450 devices on my network and have for years and never experienced this, I genuinely though you were going to throw an old sandy bridge era LAN chipset at me lmao. If that’s the cause you might have greater hardware issues or (more likely) a very overloaded router or potentially even bad cables. I’ve had (in my professional life) bad cables fuck everyone over - my favorite was an executive hanging his coat from an Ethernet anchored to the wall behind his desk, eventually the weight of the coat and stress from the coat hanger pulling on the anchor and cable wore the cable out internally lol.
@Bannerz ooooooof been there friend. Tbh if you have a very large network you’re a guest on, the Linux kernel is optimized very heavily for network routing so it’s super not surprising that you are getting some benefits over Windows - I just find it weird that it’s also happening over PopOS - there might be some level garbage collection BS or something that is better on Nobare who knows. Also don’t feel bad bout a 1070ti - it’s better than what my kid experiences on his RX540 and I still have my 1080 in deployment as my encoder in my capture PC - still an extremely viable card!!!! Won’t do max settings and probably struggles for 1080p60 in very recent titles, but again I know people with even older GPU’s!
Just as a sidenote, Wayland on KDE is kinda a weird mixed bag currently. - Certain bits of KWin are still buggy or broken with it. - Still has issues with the clipboard and can break in extended sessions. - No session restoration Keyboard issues (specifically numpad shortcuts for example) And there's quite a bit more. KDE 6 I'm hoping should solve most of these issues in February since it's being rewritten for Wayland from the ground up. I've been loving Nobara's no-nonsense approach so far as someone who's been on the RHEL-based side of things for a while. And while some people don't like Glorious Eggroll's Proton's, I consider them modded software, there if you want to experiment, but not necessary. I feel that to be fair, objectively here, building an OS is different than making patched translation layers. And from what I've experienced here, GloriousEggroll has really pushed to make sure there's a balance between tweaks and also having a stable system. Also, having a properly tweaked OBS, one-click preinstall for Davinci Resolve and directly integrated optional flatpak updates are massive boons for the end user. Fun video, thanks for the insight.
For what it's worth (If i recall correctly I discovered this like maybe a week after this video, or 10 days or something) this video was recorded with everything running in Weyland but when I run in X11, games rendered beautifully *until i move my mouse* which upon any mouse movement triggered the half-rate-compositor issue. Great if I was a gamepad gamer, but uhhhhhh, not great for shooters lol. I think that's where my real frustration was coming from, the fact that I would switch distros and softwares and nothing would fix it and I was experiencing multiple similar issues under the hood that were entirely unrelated but manifested in eerily similar ways. I'm interested in visiting it again in a bit, but honestly as much as I love Linux it's just not worth the headache trying to game on it these days. Kernel 6.0 has launched in the meantime though, and there's been a ton of work in a ton of projects over the past 6 months - there's gonna be a lot of fun stuff to play with. For now however it's relegated to being in my infrastructure or in VM's where I don't have to deal with graphical user interfaces or interact with non-terminal-systems on a daily basis. I don't even really like using my Steamdeck lately even (though that isnt really anyones specific fault outside of Linux being kinda meh right now due to every project ever going through massive rewrites) :( Sure, Glorious Eggroll's software has a place, but as I stated in the video I don't philosophically agree with what it is, and I also have issues with a lot of the patches that are put into place. It's (meaning Glorious Eggroll Proton as well as Nobara) coming from a very well intended place and it helps people get into Linux (as you said, things like the one click Resolve installer) which is always a bonus. I just don't philosophically like the idea of a lot of that from a Linux standpoint, because I have the opinion that providing those kind of things, *while 100% necessary in an effort to get to the "Year of The Linux Desktop"* kinda is antithetical to the Linux experience. Idk - freedom is great and it's what keeps people from playing with Linux lmao. But I also feel like, the freedom is *why* people choose Linux. My issue with GE's stuff is moreso just that it enables bad habits and causes people to recommend it blindly because "it fixed my issue" not really realizing that the patch that GE put into place (completely arbitrary not real example inbound) will write like, 8x as much data to the SSD causing early death of the hardware, or (actual real and true example) something like wasting many gigabytes of disk space because you have to have 25 different copies of a runtime installed for each individual game you want to play instead of actually fixing the core of each issue like Proton as the parent aims to do) Again, 99% of this is me being opinionated asshole :D I dearly pray for the day that I can move to Linux fulltime. It's closer than it's ever been in my life and I am so ready for it. But we aren't *there* yet, and it feels like we're backsliding quite a bit. I just hope it'll be worth it longterm :)
right now there’s a problem though the main developer and the one and only developer that’s maintaining this distro, as at a summit for speaking about linux so he won’t be able to update the operating system for example, to the major new Nvidia driver 545 that just released for another two weeks or more. We have no idea when or how long it will take. I do agree with others that say this is a concern that if something happens to him that the entire operating system will be destroyed.
I had a similar experience with Fedora when it comes to playing games and the system in general. Literally my framerate was BS (though have on mind my ""gaming"" laptop is an unknown HP, Ryzen 3 laptop with 16 GB RAM, 250 GB SSD and a 1TB HDD), TF2 was lagging, Minecraft was... playable but barely... the whole system felt slowish. And I haven't tried gaming in Linux anymore. But now... thanks to this video I may try Nobara and see if I can get my games to run (Project Zomboid, SWTOR, TF2, HL2, and Minecraft are basically the games I used to play on Windows, obviously in the lowest settings possible xD)
The only one I would object to and that’s just because I have zero experience with it, is projec zomboid, that’s a “at your own feel” kinda thing - I know the name but never played it and don’t know the engine. The rest should perform basically more or less how they performed on Windows - if not then yeah you are experiencing what I am. And I’m really sorry that you are :( Ryzen 3 tier chips aren’t exceptionally amazing, neither are the spec demands for tf2 or hl2 - I played them on laptops a fraction of the strength on launch in the early to mid 2000s, so if there’s a problem it’s gotta be either something else with the laptop that would show on Windows, or it’s the same driver bug I’m seeing.
Yeah, interesting to see your experience. But, yeah linux is evolving in an insane speed there are soo many changes happening every month it's mind blowing for E.G. the transition to wayland is happening and fixes are going on all DE's and drivers things are changing. So, we will see a moment of prosperity in a near future I think.
Yeah, “calm before the storm” was how I would have described my daily Linux experience a year ago. I’m super excited to see how things flesh out in the future.
BTW the issue with half the framerate on x11 I think it's a multimonitor issue. (I disabled my second one and it stopped happening) So IDK wayland does aim to fix many things though ;).@@DesignDocsWithJames
@@samir2zk135 hmm. I don’t remember if I had multi monitor active on this, I have a pass through 4k capture card but I might have used mirror mode for the convenience of using multiple monitors when I’m booted into windows. I’ll need to check that, I honestly don’t remember if I had it active on this video or not (since I had bios active I don’t *think* I did because that normally goes out DP1 on this gpu, but I filmed a lot of these types of videos around the same time and this was months ago so I could be totally incorrect here. However that wouldn’t explain the bug I had with x11 where controller inputs are silky 60 but as soon as I move the mouse it drops to half rate :/ I still believe those are 100% separate bugs manifesting with the same symptoms though so who knows! I might have to reinstall soon.
Damn, the second issue is interesting. But, the voices in my head tell me that it has to do with x11. Really hope Wayland gets correctly implemented for the basic functionality as displaying correctly. And, evolves with the future.@@DesignDocsWithJames
3.7ghz is the base clock for the chip. I applied a very minor overclock to it because it was free performance without me needing to touch voltages. In other words, I was lazy lmao
I would love to switch to linux but for some reason my CPU just overheats on linux and i really don't know what to do. On windows i just put my cpu (its a ryzen 5 3600 i forgot to mention) on 99% to it's maximum frequency and on linux i can't do that and if i can do (as far as i can see) i have to look frequency numbers and put it on terminal thing and my brain just don't can do that (i don't like numbers and terminal is kinda harsh for as a beginner). My cpy temps on windows rarely surpass 60 c° and on linux it reaches 80 c°, and i know, linux is different from windows it rules power different, and i tried different solutions like auto-cpufreq, thermald and none of these options worked (thermald breaked my FPS for some reason). Anyone can help me with that? And more information, i was using nobara "original iso" (One that uses gnome but with personal customization with glorious egg-roll to like kde).
I guess my first question is why are you trying to lock your frequency to max via software? If you want to do that you can just disable precision boost overdrive in your bios and….i forget the name offhand for the other setting but there is a setting for “always run at maximum frequency”. If you’re doing it for performance gains, I guess go ahead but you’re hurting yourself in most games more than you’re really helping, zen 2 is incredibly responsive with its frequency ramp that you really should just leave it alone and let it ramp up up the cores you are actually using and ramp down the ones you aren’t - that way you can actually obtain *higher* per core performance since you have more thermal headroom to boost the let’s say 4 cores your game is using since the other 8 cores or whatever are idle and doing nothing and can scale way down.
@@DesignDocsWithJames So, i don't do that for performance, if i run anything on 60fps i'm happy, i'm more a casual gamer then competitive stuff. But i lock the frequency because i getted the defective batch of ryzens, this batch always run on maximum frequency even if i am doing nothing on computer, and for some reason (i really dont know why this solves the problem) if i put 99% of maximum frequency instead 100% on windows power plan, the cpu simply works fine, no perfomance gain neither degradation, it just lows the temperatures and make everything fine.
@@DesignDocsWithJames And about bios stuff, any chance you knowing the names on gigabyte bios? I will search a bit, maybe this is causing my problem and not the "defective batch" i've mentioned earlier.
i'm new into linux and this distro looks very attractive and nice, only con is that it has a very small userbase and its developped only by one person so finding support and help for new users can be tricky i don't know if nobara atm is good for daily use but nice video
So in full disclosure from a Linux nerd, it’s easy to trap yourself in the “nobody used xyz setup and it sucks when I need help” framework. Linux’s appeal is in the freedom, if you aren’t interested in the freedom it’s a hard thing to sell. That said, Nobara is Fedora based. Fedora is notorious for being used among the most hardcore of Linux Stan’s - an equally dangerous game to play. So many people love to just feel smug and superior. You don’t need to limit yourself to just Nobara support, general Fedora support will also go a long way - but to be frank, I - a Linux system administrator who’s day job is thousands of Linux systems, wants nothing to do with fedora and it’s systems, they’re too pretentious. :) If you want to ease yourself in, maybe try Linux Mint - it’s where I started and is the “easy mode” flavor of Ubuntu. Ubuntu proper is also historically very beginner friendly. If neither of those sound appealing then I hate to be that guy but Linux is not and will probably never be a straight drop in replacement for windows. It will take some time and uncertainty. Go slow - start with a virtual machine. Get comfortable. If you commit full stop right away it’s gonna be rough, it’s like trying to to use a modern cell phone if you’ve only written letters to people. Give yourself some credit tho - you took a leap 99% of the population never will! It just takes practice and you WILL absolutely 100% break shit - it’s part of the learning. If that’s not something you jive with, well. I don’t have an answer for you sadly. For the record I daily windows and macOS. :) that should tell you how annoying Linux can be for a *daily machine* but I also use Linux daily in virtual machines and my personal servers - ignoring my work shit. Everything has a place. :) don’t feel bad if Linux takes some practice, or you have to distro hop to find your daily - that’s literally why I made all these videos!!!! :)
@@DesignDocsWithJames Thank you for the insights, i really appreciate your advice. I've actually used Kubuntu on a virtual machine before, and I'm excited to test Linux Mint on the virtual box too as you suggested Your channel is great you deserve more subs
@@DesignDocsWithJames I use Windows, primarily for games. I can see mods and patches being problematic in Linux. I have Sparky Xfce on my laptop and I've become quite familiar with it to the point where I've customized the Terminal font to that of the Windows Command Prompt and have got Pac-Man 256 running smoothly on the first attempt. Games are the only thing holding me back from running Linux on my main PC . I run Windows 7 (security isn't a problem as fewer people use it, it becomes less of a target). There are a few games from my XP days that refuse to run on it. In some cases, a 32 bit game uses a 16 bit installer. I dual boot with XP on another drive and zip up such an installed game and copy it over to 7 and if that doesn't work, well I stall have XP. As newer versions of Windows come out, becoming more like a service akin to Apple's, compatibility with older games can break. I think the opposite might just be true of Linux, where compatibility with existing games is something that is constantly being improved upon. In some cases, you might a find a game that you love no longer works on the latest Windows, but might work in Linux, if not now, then maybe somewhere down the road. For now though, with literally hundreds of games on my shelves spanning 4 decades, and countless shareware games burnt to disc, I'll stick with 7 (and XP), knowing that they will work. Besides, the only reason I can dual boot with XP is by having compatible hardware, for which I have the last and best, which might seem a little dated now but my monitor is 1280 x 1020, 5:4 and can rotate for vertical arcade games in MAME. The resolution is fine for modern gaming on my hardware.
To be honest on most modern systems it really doesnt matter. Plasma is *slightly* lighter than Gnome when comparing stock configs to stock configs but when i say slight i mean it, id be surprised if it even is visible outside of benchmarks. Just use whatever you prefer and dont listen to people on the internet who whine and cry about how one theoretically has 0.05% more of a performance hit vs the other in very specific configurations- your sanity will appreciate it!
@xtraflo Absolutely. I use Plasma myself, KDE6 and even started using Weyland over X11. Its gotten surprisingly good these days. KDE6 still has some growing pains from how new it is, but its getting better and less buggy almost daily.
I tried Nobara and it doesn't work well with the Steam Witcher Wild hunt. Tried Linuxmint and it works well there. I had high hopes with nobara, it's a bit buggy
That's interesting - you may have had the same issue I had here! For what it's worth, I'm on Garuda linux these days and it's much improved, though Garuda is fairly bleeding-edge so not for the faint of heart. I do kind of miss Linux mint some days.
Im sure you figured it out but i also had problems and discovered using 2 monitors was one of the culprits after turning off one temp it was back up on framerate but now they have another emulator other than wine and it also does the job now i can run 2 monitors with no problem.
I mean, no it won’t ever be *better* for gaming than windows considering the games are designed with Windows in mind, so there’s always going to be some inefficiency there. In its current state I think gaming on Linux is more than good enough for 90% of people and games out there, but that remaining 10% are going to be very serious dealbreakers for a lot of people. I have high hopes for the future, that 90/10 split is only going to get better :)
Depends on your setup. If you can just pipe HDMI uncompressed 5.1 to your receiver it works perfect. If you require special software like Dolby encoding, it most likely will NOT work.
Hi! I unfortunately do not have a modern Nvidia card to test, however I do know several people have mentioned out on the internet (and I think also in the comments here!) that they can use Nvidia cards just fine with this, however do understand that the Nvidia driver is not as well built on Linux as it is on Windows, and as it's closed source there's not a lot of community fixes and tweaks that exist, but there are some and they are popular enough that you'll definitely be able to find some support out there!
hmm, yet another distro I might try in my quest to completely separate from windows. Just need to find a good long term replacement for my gaming system.
I still struggle with that on a daily basis. I’m about at the point where once new TB4 4k60 UVC capture cards properly hit the market and mature a bit, I think I’m gonna retire my current recording PC and turn it into my dedicated Linux workstation and use my current workstation as my gaming rig. I really hope some of the bugs I experienced here iron out soon - using Manjaro in like 2020-2022 for gaming and daily driving was magical and I’ve been chasing that high of compatibility and how well things worked ever since
i wish i could get rid of windows 11, i trued but it won/t let me install Linux on to my M.2 drive in my M.2 drive just refuse to except Linux on too M.2, even with secure boot turned off, and UEFI turned off it won/t let me install on my Gaming computer.
@@realmwatters2977 depending on which distro it gonna use it should atounatically format unless if u have bitlocker enabled on windows a good Linux distro for beginners is ubunto but if ur willing to learn and tweak a lot of stuff Debian is a good choice and they both auto format ur hdd
I would say we are probably at that point now. The problem is all of us windows people will have to actually just put in the effort to learn the differences. Just like if I went to a Mac I would have to put in a lot of effort to figure out it. We're used to what we've played with for the past 30 years (ok not quite that long for me) and switching from what you know is hard
The problem with Linux is that there is no universal installer like in all Windows versions (.exe), in Linux there are .deb, rpm, pup, etc. and apart from third-party repositories such as appimage, flatpak and snap (which in themselves They are like pitata packages so they are compiled by a community who knows who they are), is Linux easy? The answer is no, because if you do not find your package in .deb (debian) you find it compressed in tar.gz or similar, which translates to the use of the terminal, and that does not mention the dependencies (libraries), in other words In Windows with one click you install your game and with another you install the libraries (dependencies in Linux) however in Linux if it is not through the console or through third-party stores (flatpak, snap and appimage) you have a big problem in Linux
Yeah, I literally cannot find anyone else with similar issues or any info on it online. I almost nearly thought I wouldnt be able to get it on video because it’s so bizarre. Gotta be some extremely weird combination of current software and my current hardware.
legally I can’t commit one way or the other, I hope you understand. But Linux is an open platform and if you decide to put bara on it, well…. I just don’t know why you wouldn’t just do Bara Linux at that point but if you really feel like being an anarchist, Linux is open and you could feasibly make these decisions…… 🫣
For me HoloISO are easier to get Nvidia Cards up n running. Ok i am not a Linux User and use Linux more in embedded or baremetal Environment. But HoloISO are in this point much straight forward than nobara.
To be fair, HoloISO is designed first and foremost to be specifically for gaming as it’s a reproduction of the official SteamOS used on the Steam Deck, so comparison to a full blown desktop OS might be a little unfair. Depends on your use case! Interesting to hear that Nvidia works with it now, last I heard Nvidia drivers would straight up break the distro. I know Valve said they were really working on that, so I’m super happy to see it coming together finally!
At 60fps the dropped frames are noticeable and they are much less when rendering at 120. The idea wasn’t to show off 120hz gaming on Linux or whatever - more so to try and show the issue on camera which lead to all that weirdness in the video.
I never thought I'd see the day when one percenter gamers are talking about Linux.
Lmao, I mean to be fair I was using Linux waaaay before I had anything even close to resembling a “powerhouse workstation”. It is cool though that it’s come this far :)
I'm just lashing out. I recently lost a Threadripper, and I'm bitter.@@DesignDocsWithJames
Entering Valve to the Linux community was a very good Thing. Proton with SteamOS Show the benefit and ability of API Translation without emulating Things. Also Wine are so mature and Well aged. Valve Show how modern simplify GamingUI can be, with Integration of distribution ways. It mean one click to get a Game without config to Play is a high plus to get the Consumer.
Thanks for sharing! I had no idea this existed. That really gives me a use case for Fedora again after many years. I'll try it out by the time LMDE6 is ready and compare them. Also, auto login is great for children & seniors who don't really understand computers and are prone to forget things. But of course, we grownups need passwords.
So for the record I'm not like, diametrically opposed to auto sign in as a feature or concept. I'm opposed to it being on by default when you pitch your OS as a "hey gamers tired of Microsoft, try this totally free replacement that I made seamless just for you!" People will not even realize that's an option, or even a problem. Hell, windows doesn't even allow it without some registry edits and it's still buried in netcplwiz.exe and requires pre entering your password.
As an aside this is week 4 of me dailying Nobara and it's freaking great. Fedora that just works. Still have some distros I wanna play with of course but this might stay my daily for some time.
I just came back to Linux as a casual user a couple of days ago when i installed Nobara. I'm enjoying it thoroughly and watching lots of youtube videos about it. :D
I had this issue! Started with Linux mint, and I'm not sure how or why, but it was *just* Cinnamon that was having this issue for me on my old Mac. No other Xorg or Wayland compositor/desktop was giving me any weird half framerate issues, despite the game itself reporting 60. Very strange. (Maybe it was Mutter?)
Oh thank God I’m not alone. I seriously have no idea what could be causing this, it’s such a bizarre combination of failures that just doesn’t make any sense lol
This seems to be the perfect distro for me. Not getting any of the issues I've had with previous distros. Really happy so far and my network is also about twice as fast as on popOS
Curious how a Linux distribution would change your network speed - what hardware are you running on (WiFi vs Ethernet and what’s the chipset)? Curious if this is a “old hardware is just better with newer drivers” thing or a “newer Linux kernels optimize better letting older drivers work better” thing
@@DesignDocsWithJames no idea why it’s faster. It’s Ethernet, on a b450 AORUS Elite. So an older board but I noticed that with different flavours of Linux there was varying network speeds. I think Debian was the worst, so maybe it’s the way each one handles network?
That’s absolutely bizarre friend, I have a few b450 devices on my network and have for years and never experienced this, I genuinely though you were going to throw an old sandy bridge era LAN chipset at me lmao. If that’s the cause you might have greater hardware issues or (more likely) a very overloaded router or potentially even bad cables. I’ve had (in my professional life) bad cables fuck everyone over - my favorite was an executive hanging his coat from an Ethernet anchored to the wall behind his desk, eventually the weight of the coat and stress from the coat hanger pulling on the anchor and cable wore the cable out internally lol.
@@DesignDocsWithJames unfortunately I am not in control of the router or in a position to buy new hardware 😂 I still have a 1070ti 😂
@Bannerz ooooooof been there friend. Tbh if you have a very large network you’re a guest on, the Linux kernel is optimized very heavily for network routing so it’s super not surprising that you are getting some benefits over Windows - I just find it weird that it’s also happening over PopOS - there might be some level garbage collection BS or something that is better on Nobare who knows.
Also don’t feel bad bout a 1070ti - it’s better than what my kid experiences on his RX540 and I still have my 1080 in deployment as my encoder in my capture PC - still an extremely viable card!!!! Won’t do max settings and probably struggles for 1080p60 in very recent titles, but again I know people with even older GPU’s!
Just as a sidenote, Wayland on KDE is kinda a weird mixed bag currently.
- Certain bits of KWin are still buggy or broken with it.
- Still has issues with the clipboard and can break in extended sessions.
- No session restoration
Keyboard issues (specifically numpad shortcuts for example)
And there's quite a bit more. KDE 6 I'm hoping should solve most of these issues in February since it's being rewritten for Wayland from the ground up.
I've been loving Nobara's no-nonsense approach so far as someone who's been on the RHEL-based side of things for a while. And while some people don't like Glorious Eggroll's Proton's, I consider them modded software, there if you want to experiment, but not necessary. I feel that to be fair, objectively here, building an OS is different than making patched translation layers. And from what I've experienced here, GloriousEggroll has really pushed to make sure there's a balance between tweaks and also having a stable system. Also, having a properly tweaked OBS, one-click preinstall for Davinci Resolve and directly integrated optional flatpak updates are massive boons for the end user.
Fun video, thanks for the insight.
For what it's worth (If i recall correctly I discovered this like maybe a week after this video, or 10 days or something) this video was recorded with everything running in Weyland but when I run in X11, games rendered beautifully *until i move my mouse* which upon any mouse movement triggered the half-rate-compositor issue. Great if I was a gamepad gamer, but uhhhhhh, not great for shooters lol.
I think that's where my real frustration was coming from, the fact that I would switch distros and softwares and nothing would fix it and I was experiencing multiple similar issues under the hood that were entirely unrelated but manifested in eerily similar ways.
I'm interested in visiting it again in a bit, but honestly as much as I love Linux it's just not worth the headache trying to game on it these days. Kernel 6.0 has launched in the meantime though, and there's been a ton of work in a ton of projects over the past 6 months - there's gonna be a lot of fun stuff to play with. For now however it's relegated to being in my infrastructure or in VM's where I don't have to deal with graphical user interfaces or interact with non-terminal-systems on a daily basis. I don't even really like using my Steamdeck lately even (though that isnt really anyones specific fault outside of Linux being kinda meh right now due to every project ever going through massive rewrites) :(
Sure, Glorious Eggroll's software has a place, but as I stated in the video I don't philosophically agree with what it is, and I also have issues with a lot of the patches that are put into place. It's (meaning Glorious Eggroll Proton as well as Nobara) coming from a very well intended place and it helps people get into Linux (as you said, things like the one click Resolve installer) which is always a bonus. I just don't philosophically like the idea of a lot of that from a Linux standpoint, because I have the opinion that providing those kind of things, *while 100% necessary in an effort to get to the "Year of The Linux Desktop"* kinda is antithetical to the Linux experience. Idk - freedom is great and it's what keeps people from playing with Linux lmao. But I also feel like, the freedom is *why* people choose Linux.
My issue with GE's stuff is moreso just that it enables bad habits and causes people to recommend it blindly because "it fixed my issue" not really realizing that the patch that GE put into place (completely arbitrary not real example inbound) will write like, 8x as much data to the SSD causing early death of the hardware, or (actual real and true example) something like wasting many gigabytes of disk space because you have to have 25 different copies of a runtime installed for each individual game you want to play instead of actually fixing the core of each issue like Proton as the parent aims to do)
Again, 99% of this is me being opinionated asshole :D I dearly pray for the day that I can move to Linux fulltime. It's closer than it's ever been in my life and I am so ready for it. But we aren't *there* yet, and it feels like we're backsliding quite a bit.
I just hope it'll be worth it longterm :)
KDE Wayland is my daily driver and I personally have had no problems with it
I'm so pumped to get back to GNU/Linux-solo machinr, again!
It's time!
DO IT DO IT DO IT
right now there’s a problem though the main developer and the one and only developer that’s maintaining this distro, as at a summit for speaking about linux so he won’t be able to update the operating system for example, to the major new Nvidia driver 545 that just released for another two weeks or more. We have no idea when or how long it will take. I do agree with others that say this is a concern that if something happens to him that the entire operating system will be destroyed.
My daily is tumbleweed, there aren't any issues gaming on it.
I had a similar experience with Fedora when it comes to playing games and the system in general.
Literally my framerate was BS (though have on mind my ""gaming"" laptop is an unknown HP, Ryzen 3 laptop with 16 GB RAM, 250 GB SSD and a 1TB HDD), TF2 was lagging, Minecraft was... playable but barely... the whole system felt slowish.
And I haven't tried gaming in Linux anymore. But now... thanks to this video I may try Nobara and see if I can get my games to run (Project Zomboid, SWTOR, TF2, HL2, and Minecraft are basically the games I used to play on Windows, obviously in the lowest settings possible xD)
The only one I would object to and that’s just because I have zero experience with it, is projec zomboid, that’s a “at your own feel” kinda thing - I know the name but never played it and don’t know the engine. The rest should perform basically more or less how they performed on Windows - if not then yeah you are experiencing what I am. And I’m really sorry that you are :(
Ryzen 3 tier chips aren’t exceptionally amazing, neither are the spec demands for tf2 or hl2 - I played them on laptops a fraction of the strength on launch in the early to mid 2000s, so if there’s a problem it’s gotta be either something else with the laptop that would show on Windows, or it’s the same driver bug I’m seeing.
1:10 Me watching at 360p:-
Whats the Issue?💀
Nobara 38 official user here and i have found my daily driver. Gonnah be tough changing as a Steam Gamer.
Yeah, interesting to see your experience. But, yeah linux is evolving in an insane speed there are soo many changes happening every month it's mind blowing for E.G. the transition to wayland is happening and fixes are going on all DE's and drivers things are changing. So, we will see a moment of prosperity in a near future I think.
Yeah, “calm before the storm” was how I would have described my daily Linux experience a year ago. I’m super excited to see how things flesh out in the future.
BTW the issue with half the framerate on x11 I think it's a multimonitor issue. (I disabled my second one and it stopped happening) So IDK wayland does aim to fix many things though ;).@@DesignDocsWithJames
@@samir2zk135 hmm. I don’t remember if I had multi monitor active on this, I have a pass through 4k capture card but I might have used mirror mode for the convenience of using multiple monitors when I’m booted into windows. I’ll need to check that, I honestly don’t remember if I had it active on this video or not (since I had bios active I don’t *think* I did because that normally goes out DP1 on this gpu, but I filmed a lot of these types of videos around the same time and this was months ago so I could be totally incorrect here.
However that wouldn’t explain the bug I had with x11 where controller inputs are silky 60 but as soon as I move the mouse it drops to half rate :/ I still believe those are 100% separate bugs manifesting with the same symptoms though so who knows! I might have to reinstall soon.
Damn, the second issue is interesting. But, the voices in my head tell me that it has to do with x11. Really hope Wayland gets correctly implemented for the basic functionality as displaying correctly. And, evolves with the future.@@DesignDocsWithJames
Why is your 5900X showing 3.9GHZ My 5700G shows 4.5GHZ in the MSI Bios
3.7ghz is the base clock for the chip. I applied a very minor overclock to it because it was free performance without me needing to touch voltages. In other words, I was lazy lmao
I would love to switch to linux but for some reason my CPU just overheats on linux and i really don't know what to do. On windows i just put my cpu (its a ryzen 5 3600 i forgot to mention) on 99% to it's maximum frequency and on linux i can't do that and if i can do (as far as i can see) i have to look frequency numbers and put it on terminal thing and my brain just don't can do that (i don't like numbers and terminal is kinda harsh for as a beginner). My cpy temps on windows rarely surpass 60 c° and on linux it reaches 80 c°, and i know, linux is different from windows it rules power different, and i tried different solutions like auto-cpufreq, thermald and none of these options worked (thermald breaked my FPS for some reason). Anyone can help me with that? And more information, i was using nobara "original iso" (One that uses gnome but with personal customization with glorious egg-roll to like kde).
I guess my first question is why are you trying to lock your frequency to max via software? If you want to do that you can just disable precision boost overdrive in your bios and….i forget the name offhand for the other setting but there is a setting for “always run at maximum frequency”.
If you’re doing it for performance gains, I guess go ahead but you’re hurting yourself in most games more than you’re really helping, zen 2 is incredibly responsive with its frequency ramp that you really should just leave it alone and let it ramp up up the cores you are actually using and ramp down the ones you aren’t - that way you can actually obtain *higher* per core performance since you have more thermal headroom to boost the let’s say 4 cores your game is using since the other 8 cores or whatever are idle and doing nothing and can scale way down.
@@DesignDocsWithJames So, i don't do that for performance, if i run anything on 60fps i'm happy, i'm more a casual gamer then competitive stuff. But i lock the frequency because i getted the defective batch of ryzens, this batch always run on maximum frequency even if i am doing nothing on computer, and for some reason (i really dont know why this solves the problem) if i put 99% of maximum frequency instead 100% on windows power plan, the cpu simply works fine, no perfomance gain neither degradation, it just lows the temperatures and make everything fine.
@@DesignDocsWithJames And about bios stuff, any chance you knowing the names on gigabyte bios? I will search a bit, maybe this is causing my problem and not the "defective batch" i've mentioned earlier.
@@DesignDocsWithJames And thanks for responding me, my english is not so good and i was afraid to not be clear and everything haha (i am braziilian).
i'm new into linux and this distro looks very attractive and nice, only con is that it has a very small userbase and its developped only by one person so finding support and help for new users can be tricky
i don't know if nobara atm is good for daily use but nice video
So in full disclosure from a Linux nerd, it’s easy to trap yourself in the “nobody used xyz setup and it sucks when I need help” framework. Linux’s appeal is in the freedom, if you aren’t interested in the freedom it’s a hard thing to sell.
That said, Nobara is Fedora based. Fedora is notorious for being used among the most hardcore of Linux Stan’s - an equally dangerous game to play. So many people love to just feel smug and superior.
You don’t need to limit yourself to just Nobara support, general Fedora support will also go a long way - but to be frank, I - a Linux system administrator who’s day job is thousands of Linux systems, wants nothing to do with fedora and it’s systems, they’re too pretentious. :)
If you want to ease yourself in, maybe try Linux Mint - it’s where I started and is the “easy mode” flavor of Ubuntu. Ubuntu proper is also historically very beginner friendly.
If neither of those sound appealing then I hate to be that guy but Linux is not and will probably never be a straight drop in replacement for windows. It will take some time and uncertainty. Go slow - start with a virtual machine. Get comfortable. If you commit full stop right away it’s gonna be rough, it’s like trying to to use a modern cell phone if you’ve only written letters to people.
Give yourself some credit tho - you took a leap 99% of the population never will! It just takes practice and you WILL absolutely 100% break shit - it’s part of the learning. If that’s not something you jive with, well. I don’t have an answer for you sadly.
For the record I daily windows and macOS. :) that should tell you how annoying Linux can be for a *daily machine* but I also use Linux daily in virtual machines and my personal servers - ignoring my work shit. Everything has a place. :) don’t feel bad if Linux takes some practice, or you have to distro hop to find your daily - that’s literally why I made all these videos!!!! :)
@@DesignDocsWithJames Thank you for the insights, i really appreciate your advice. I've actually used Kubuntu on a virtual machine before, and I'm excited to test Linux Mint on the virtual box too as you suggested
Your channel is great you deserve more subs
@@DesignDocsWithJames I use Windows, primarily for games. I can see mods and patches being problematic in Linux. I have Sparky Xfce on my laptop and I've become quite familiar with it to the point where I've customized the Terminal font to that of the Windows Command Prompt and have got Pac-Man 256 running smoothly on the first attempt.
Games are the only thing holding me back from running Linux on my main PC . I run Windows 7 (security isn't a problem as fewer people use it, it becomes less of a target). There are a few games from my XP days that refuse to run on it. In some cases, a 32 bit game uses a 16 bit installer. I dual boot with XP on another drive and zip up such an installed game and copy it over to 7 and if that doesn't work, well I stall have XP.
As newer versions of Windows come out, becoming more like a service akin to Apple's, compatibility with older games can break. I think the opposite might just be true of Linux, where compatibility with existing games is something that is constantly being improved upon. In some cases, you might a find a game that you love no longer works on the latest Windows, but might work in Linux, if not now, then maybe somewhere down the road.
For now though, with literally hundreds of games on my shelves spanning 4 decades, and countless shareware games burnt to disc, I'll stick with 7 (and XP), knowing that they will work. Besides, the only reason I can dual boot with XP is by having compatible hardware, for which I have the last and best, which might seem a little dated now but my monitor is 1280 x 1020, 5:4 and can rotate for vertical arcade games in MAME. The resolution is fine for modern gaming on my hardware.
Final Verdict - For Nodara Gaming, should I be using Gnome or KDE for better Performance?
To be honest on most modern systems it really doesnt matter. Plasma is *slightly* lighter than Gnome when comparing stock configs to stock configs but when i say slight i mean it, id be surprised if it even is visible outside of benchmarks. Just use whatever you prefer and dont listen to people on the internet who whine and cry about how one theoretically has 0.05% more of a performance hit vs the other in very specific configurations- your sanity will appreciate it!
@@DesignDocsWithJames Cool - so KDE with Desktop: Plasma X11 should be an okay way to go??
Thanks!!
@xtraflo Absolutely. I use Plasma myself, KDE6 and even started using Weyland over X11. Its gotten surprisingly good these days. KDE6 still has some growing pains from how new it is, but its getting better and less buggy almost daily.
@@DesignDocsWithJames Much appreciated! That definitely helps confirm my research in switching over to Nobara for gaming! Thanks a bunch!!
@@DesignDocsWithJames how to get weyland? i mean is at the installation?
I tried Nobara and it doesn't work well with the Steam Witcher Wild hunt. Tried Linuxmint and it works well there. I had high hopes with nobara, it's a bit buggy
That's interesting - you may have had the same issue I had here! For what it's worth, I'm on Garuda linux these days and it's much improved, though Garuda is fairly bleeding-edge so not for the faint of heart. I do kind of miss Linux mint some days.
Im sure you figured it out but i also had problems and discovered using 2 monitors was one of the culprits after turning off one temp it was back up on framerate but now they have another emulator other than wine and it also does the job now i can run 2 monitors with no problem.
what do you mean by there is “another emulator other than wine”?
so the conclusion ? is it better for gaming then win10 ??
in need for the answer
I mean, no it won’t ever be *better* for gaming than windows considering the games are designed with Windows in mind, so there’s always going to be some inefficiency there. In its current state I think gaming on Linux is more than good enough for 90% of people and games out there, but that remaining 10% are going to be very serious dealbreakers for a lot of people.
I have high hopes for the future, that 90/10 split is only going to get better :)
How about surroundsound and spatial audio support?
Depends on your setup. If you can just pipe HDMI uncompressed 5.1 to your receiver it works perfect. If you require special software like Dolby encoding, it most likely will NOT work.
@@DesignDocsWithJames that would be unfortunate, using Dolby atmos on windows 11 now. I guess I’ll still give it a shot tonight; great content btw.
This think for fine with RTX CARD.?
Hi! I unfortunately do not have a modern Nvidia card to test, however I do know several people have mentioned out on the internet (and I think also in the comments here!) that they can use Nvidia cards just fine with this, however do understand that the Nvidia driver is not as well built on Linux as it is on Windows, and as it's closed source there's not a lot of community fixes and tweaks that exist, but there are some and they are popular enough that you'll definitely be able to find some support out there!
hmm, yet another distro I might try in my quest to completely separate from windows. Just need to find a good long term replacement for my gaming system.
I still struggle with that on a daily basis. I’m about at the point where once new TB4 4k60 UVC capture cards properly hit the market and mature a bit, I think I’m gonna retire my current recording PC and turn it into my dedicated Linux workstation and use my current workstation as my gaming rig.
I really hope some of the bugs I experienced here iron out soon - using Manjaro in like 2020-2022 for gaming and daily driving was magical and I’ve been chasing that high of compatibility and how well things worked ever since
i wish i could get rid of windows 11, i trued but it won/t let me install Linux on to my M.2 drive in my M.2 drive just refuse to except Linux on too M.2, even with secure boot turned off, and UEFI turned off it won/t let me install on my Gaming computer.
Probably not formatted right
Probably not formatted right
Depending on your drive, you might need additional drivers. I don’t have any experience with that on the Linux side however, just on the Windows side
@@HD7K_unknown OK, what would be the correct formatting, i should be using? if please.
@@realmwatters2977 depending on which distro it gonna use it should atounatically format unless if u have bitlocker enabled on windows a good Linux distro for beginners is ubunto but if ur willing to learn and tweak a lot of stuff Debian is a good choice and they both auto format ur hdd
I eagerly await the day when linux actually becomes usable to people who aren't on the spectrum.
I would say we are probably at that point now. The problem is all of us windows people will have to actually just put in the effort to learn the differences. Just like if I went to a Mac I would have to put in a lot of effort to figure out it. We're used to what we've played with for the past 30 years (ok not quite that long for me) and switching from what you know is hard
The problem with Linux is that there is no universal installer like in all Windows versions (.exe), in Linux there are .deb, rpm, pup, etc. and apart from third-party repositories such as appimage, flatpak and snap (which in themselves They are like pitata packages so they are compiled by a community who knows who they are), is Linux easy? The answer is no, because if you do not find your package in .deb (debian) you find it compressed in tar.gz or similar, which translates to the use of the terminal, and that does not mention the dependencies (libraries), in other words In Windows with one click you install your game and with another you install the libraries (dependencies in Linux) however in Linux if it is not through the console or through third-party stores (flatpak, snap and appimage) you have a big problem in Linux
Works smooth for me
Yeah, I literally cannot find anyone else with similar issues or any info on it online. I almost nearly thought I wouldnt be able to get it on video because it’s so bizarre. Gotta be some extremely weird combination of current software and my current hardware.
can i put bara on it?
legally I can’t commit one way or the other, I hope you understand. But Linux is an open platform and if you decide to put bara on it, well…. I just don’t know why you wouldn’t just do Bara Linux at that point but if you really feel like being an anarchist, Linux is open and you could feasibly make these decisions…… 🫣
Jujustu kaisen?
what the F happened to your voice at 15:18 lolz
Apparently I undid puberty for like 12 seconds lmao
For me HoloISO are easier to get Nvidia Cards up n running. Ok i am not a Linux User and use Linux more in embedded or baremetal Environment. But HoloISO are in this point much straight forward than nobara.
To be fair, HoloISO is designed first and foremost to be specifically for gaming as it’s a reproduction of the official SteamOS used on the Steam Deck, so comparison to a full blown desktop OS might be a little unfair. Depends on your use case!
Interesting to hear that Nvidia works with it now, last I heard Nvidia drivers would straight up break the distro. I know Valve said they were really working on that, so I’m super happy to see it coming together finally!
Nobara Linux KDE PLASMA ❤❤
Bro turned on 120 like we can see it smh
At 60fps the dropped frames are noticeable and they are much less when rendering at 120. The idea wasn’t to show off 120hz gaming on Linux or whatever - more so to try and show the issue on camera which lead to all that weirdness in the video.