Very fine report from one who has followed this case from its onset in 2005. I have viewed many podcasts and videos. This one does a nice job of listing/reviewing possibilities. IMO this was a crime of a murder-for-hire by an interested party/parties and carried out by many folks. Multiple hands were needed to kidnap two adults and dispose of their bodies + a nicely sized truck. Truck was not buried in water but was disassembled by professionals---likely one of the many Philly chop shops. Adventures with Purpose also does great work---just love 'em! Lastly---to answer the question regarding how their plans/locations were known---IMO the perpetrator(s) had them followed. More likely, Imbo was the target and she was discreetly followed until the right moment presented itself. Petrone was just "collateral damage." They were likely allowed to get into truck and drive away for a time. When they reached a relatively secluded and dark place---the killers pounced and acted quickly. There had to be at least two perps in their own vehicle. They followed the couple; overtook and overpowered them. Perps killed couple; disposed of bodies and his truck very discreetly. They had to have their own vehicle and there had to have been at least two killers. Who was mastermind? The party(ies) who benefited, of course.
Pretty sure they’re in the water somewhere. If they were getting car jacked I seriously doubt the people responsible wanted to deal with a double murder and disposal of bodies.
It seems the most likely scenarios are murder for hire or accident. Rather odd that the answer is likely the most elaborate or most pedestrian of options when normally the truth tends to land in the center.
It seems murder for hire is at play here. Driving off the road Into a body of water doesn't really work in downtown Philadelphia. Sad story, I've lived off of South Street all of my adult life. There is a.parking lot one half block from where Abelene once operated, it would seem the most likely place for Richard to park... a killer or killers could have easily been laying in wait and objected them right there, even with people around. That time of night and the cold weather would have made it quite quiet. This was well planned.
@@ericsierra-franco7802 The fact their car has never been found makes it much MORE likely that it was an accident. There have been many mysterious person + car disappearances recently solved that it turned out they had just driven into a body of water. Again, this case is either really elaborate or really pedestrian.
Obviously foul play is the most likely answer, but is it possible their truck went into a body of water due to an accident? A number of cases where a person and a car disappeared for decades have been found recently.
na there ain't a lot of chimneys bro XD I would know, that's fancy shit over here. And wow I used to go to Abilene's back then. My friend's brother had a well known local band Townhall that would play there. Other crazy stories from that place as well XDD. Brings back memories, but yeah, too bad for these folks. Gut says he got mixed up with the wrong gal. Edit: no souvenir shops really back then, more like head shops, sexy stores, knock off boutiques, Jim's steaks, an FYE, sneaker and clothing stores, mammoth bar, tattooed moms, other bars.
If the truck shows up without them, it’s foul play. If not, and more likely, there was an accident and the truck went into the water and they will be found when the truck is.
Mafia exists sure some of the multilevel houses down towards Oregon for sure. But, it's a dwindled power now. Most homicides are in North and West Philly.
@@chezmacle872 I disagree. After hanging out there for so long, one day a guy pointed everyone out to me. I’m fairly conservative and I was having a political argument with someone. When a local pulled me aside and pointed everyone out. He said if it wasn’t for him, the cameras would be shut off, the doors would be locked and I wouldn’t be leaving the place alive. Last time I went there.
I always heard from multiple people that they were cremated up in the Fishtown neighborhood of Philly at a local funeral home. Every around Philly would always claim that. Don't know how they know this info but people always talk..
It is now March 2023 and the 18th anniversary of their disappearance has passed. Adventures with Purpose just uploaded some recent videos, as they continued their search in a few more nearby bodies of water. Still no results but at least we are eliminating more possibilities. IMO this is still a murder for hire with disposal by chop shop.
@@tamir.7888 I tend to agree with this. We're talking a heavily developed metropolitan area of 5 million people, especially along the river. It's possible but I think it would have been noticed.
I live here. There is no lovers lane with water around. It’s all business like the Coast Guard and beyond locked down. Only places that aren’t locked down are pedestrian friendly parks which cars can’t get into.
@@josephdale69 exactly, i lived in Philadelphia most of my life and the Delaware River is blocked off in most places by buildings, fences, bulkheads, boulders and various other obstacles. A vehicle would be in a wreck before it reached the water along the Columbus Blvd side. That's not to say they aren't in the water, maybe they drove into the water on the New Jersey side.
Just because the police, or some portion of the police, suspect that this was a murder for hire, does not necessarily make it so. I don't know the details of where their house was, and therefore their route home that night, but them veering off the road into a body of water seems fairly likely. After all, of the 11 people that search group have found, some of them had potential murder investigated and that turned out not to be the case.
Very fine report from one who has followed this case from its onset in 2005. I have viewed many podcasts and videos. This one does a nice job of listing/reviewing possibilities. IMO this was a crime of a murder-for-hire by an interested party/parties and carried out by many folks. Multiple hands were needed to kidnap two adults and dispose of their bodies + a nicely sized truck. Truck was not buried in water but was disassembled by professionals---likely one of the many Philly chop shops. Adventures with Purpose also does great work---just love 'em! Lastly---to answer the question regarding how their plans/locations were known---IMO the perpetrator(s) had them followed. More likely, Imbo was the target and she was discreetly followed until the right moment presented itself. Petrone was just "collateral damage." They were likely allowed to get into truck and drive away for a time. When they reached a relatively secluded and dark place---the killers pounced and acted quickly. There had to be at least two perps in their own vehicle. They followed the couple; overtook and overpowered them. Perps killed couple; disposed of bodies and his truck very discreetly. They had to have their own vehicle and there had to have been at least two killers. Who was mastermind? The party(ies) who benefited, of course.
one of the greatest mysteries in Philly history
Pretty sure they’re in the water somewhere. If they were getting car jacked I seriously doubt the people responsible wanted to deal with a double murder and disposal of bodies.
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The FBI feels they were victims of murder for hire. That's not a carjacking.
@@ericsierra-franco7802 Plus I'm in contact with Suffolk County Sheriff Dr. Errol Toulon, JR already.
Makes one wonder exactly what kind of life, a secret life, would lead to such a bizarre ending. Doing drugs can't explain it.
It seems the most likely scenarios are murder for hire or accident. Rather odd that the answer is likely the most elaborate or most pedestrian of options when normally the truth tends to land in the center.
It seems murder for hire is at play here. Driving off the road Into a body of water doesn't really work in downtown Philadelphia. Sad story, I've lived off of South Street all of my adult life. There is a.parking lot one half block from where Abelene once operated, it would seem the most likely place for Richard to park... a killer or killers could have easily been laying in wait and objected them right there, even with people around. That time of night and the cold weather would have made it quite quiet. This was well planned.
Accident? They're car has never been found.
@@ericsierra-franco7802 The fact their car has never been found makes it much MORE likely that it was an accident. There have been many mysterious person + car disappearances recently solved that it turned out they had just driven into a body of water. Again, this case is either really elaborate or really pedestrian.
Obviously foul play is the most likely answer, but is it possible their truck went into a body of water due to an accident? A number of cases where a person and a car disappeared for decades have been found recently.
hey! they disappeared from a bar on south st in philadelphia-same place where three people died in a gang fight last weekend
Gangs are more west. More mafia on this part.
Big deal!
AWP Adventures With Purpose have been looking for them in the Water 🌹
na there ain't a lot of chimneys bro XD I would know, that's fancy shit over here. And wow I used to go to Abilene's back then. My friend's brother had a well known local band Townhall that would play there. Other crazy stories from that place as well XDD. Brings back memories, but yeah, too bad for these folks. Gut says he got mixed up with the wrong gal. Edit: no souvenir shops really back then, more like head shops, sexy stores, knock off boutiques, Jim's steaks, an FYE, sneaker and clothing stores, mammoth bar, tattooed moms, other bars.
Exactly. That stretch of South Street (and Bainbridge) was always a bit strange, and always will be.
he was a pill pusher, owed people cash too
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If the truck shows up without them, it’s foul play. If not, and more likely, there was an accident and the truck went into the water and they will be found when the truck is.
Please do one on the Chicago strangler if you haven't already. Murders are still happening
I don’t know 🤷♀️ but it’s screaming that they are in a body of water with the truck they were drinking it’s happened many times
I doubt it.
I literally lived a half a mile from there. I hung out on South Street every night. Same place. Huge mafia presence
Mafia exists sure some of the multilevel houses down towards Oregon for sure. But, it's a dwindled power now. Most homicides are in North and West Philly.
@@chezmacle872 I disagree. After hanging out there for so long, one day a guy pointed everyone out to me. I’m fairly conservative and I was having a political argument with someone. When a local pulled me aside and pointed everyone out. He said if it wasn’t for him, the cameras would be shut off, the doors would be locked and I wouldn’t be leaving the place alive.
Last time I went there.
@@chezmacle872 Most of them hang out at the Wooly Mammoth now.
Sorry but South St does not have a huge Mafia presence. What a load of garbage!
I always heard from multiple people that they were cremated up in the Fishtown neighborhood of Philly at a local funeral home. Every around Philly would always claim that. Don't know how they know this info but people always talk..
Was her husband a suspect
It is now March 2023 and the 18th anniversary of their disappearance has passed. Adventures with Purpose just uploaded some recent videos, as they continued their search in a few more nearby bodies of water. Still no results but at least we are eliminating more possibilities. IMO this is still a murder for hire with disposal by chop shop.
Couldn’t the car have drifted and/or been covered by sand in these 17 years?
theres literally nowhere around here that is ever quiet enough for a car to crash into water unnoticed.
@@tamir.7888 I tend to agree with this. We're talking a heavily developed metropolitan area of 5 million people, especially along the river. It's possible but I think it would have been noticed.
There is no sand in Philadelphia
they should look into the Pagans before they look into anything Philly Mafia related.
In all likelihood it has nothing to do with either group.
They are thought to have gone to the lovers lane by the water, and ended up in the water 🌹
I live here. There is no lovers lane with water around. It’s all business like the Coast Guard and beyond locked down. Only places that aren’t locked down are pedestrian friendly parks which cars can’t get into.
@@josephdale69 exactly, i lived in Philadelphia most of my life and the Delaware River is blocked off in most places by buildings, fences, bulkheads, boulders and various other obstacles. A vehicle would be in a wreck before it reached the water along the Columbus Blvd side. That's not to say they aren't in the water, maybe they drove into the water on the New Jersey side.
its been said over and over that his truck was parked right infront of the door. also it was a last minute thing for her to go meet up with Petrone.
Just because the police, or some portion of the police, suspect that this was a murder for hire, does not necessarily make it so. I don't know the details of where their house was, and therefore their route home that night, but them veering off the road into a body of water seems fairly likely. After all, of the 11 people that search group have found, some of them had potential murder investigated and that turned out not to be the case.
I think the FBI have more information than you on the case to make an educated guess.
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