Movie Karate: The Fiction of Fighting | ART OF ONE DOJO
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Why aren't movie fight scenes ever realistic? In this episode we'll reveal the lies of movie martial arts and expose the cinematic tricks that take what would be a mediocre or lame fight scene, into an memorable sequence of our favorite films.
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As a professional who has worked in the movie industry (and done movie karate) for a long time, I have to say you've nailed it in your explanations, especially with the technical camera stuff. Well done. Regarding speed ramping, the most common way this is achieved in post is by dropping a frame or two at the impact, which gives that jerky snap effect. Going back to that Cobra Kai clip, you'll notice that Miguel's kick loses a frame during the retracting. It really makes a technique look like it has a lot of power. The 22fps technique isn't seen as much nowadays with digital cinema cameras as it's not a native setting, so most of the enhancing is done in post. Jackie Chan and his stunt team were masters of the 22fps method. There's a really great video from the "Every Frame A Painting" channel about how Jackie Chan does action which discusses the differences in Hollywood and Hong Kong editing techniques which is definitely worth watching. Another great resource is Scott Adkins' TH-cam channel and his "Art of Action" interview series where he does long interviews with martial arts movie legends -- really gives you a feel of what it's like to work on an action movie. I can tell you, the hardest part of action acting is getting up the next day to do more fights when you can barely move your neck!
Yup, and in that shot with Miguel doing the crane kick...with a keen eye you can definitely see there is an effect there. You are absolutely corrected about the missing frames, but also notice the whole shot the camera is SLOWLY pushing in the whole time, but when Miguel does the kick, you see that camera move...SLIGHTLY jerk forward and then go back to it's normal push.
And I agree with the 22 frames, that is more of an old school trick. I do believe they used it in the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle films to help make the cumbersome turtle costumes look more fluent.
I recommend taking a look at the Jason Bourne movies. I always found it interesting that most of the time he uses striking arts against regular people; however, when he fights another person at his level it always becomes a grappling match.
I definetly DID NOT SEE the Batman backgroubd fight scenes and the guy who drops to the floor himself! OMG insane!! Jajaja 😅
I see it every time and its freakin funny as hell!
Me neither, never paid attention to this. I watched this movie in such a hurry.
We could just go with the idea that the guy didn't want to fight Batman so he pretended that Batman already knocked him out.
It'd be great if you continued this segment with such examples as "IP Man" or "Bodyguards and Assasins" to name a few. Their choreography is top notch. Donnie Yen in one interview stated he had to undergo Wingchun training for several months prior to filming. He said he knew nothing about the art as his background was in TKD.
Wingchun lol
I recommend watching and breaking down Donnie yen's fight scenes, he's super underrated when it comes to martial arts choreography because he usually sticks to Cantonese movies and only mainly known for portraying Ip man. But in my opinion, his fight scenes in flash point, Killzone, and Special ID are one of the best in martial arts cinema
Agreed! Donnie’s fight scenes in those movies are some of the absolute best.
Scott Adkins did a few videos breaking down different fight scenes including his own with Yen I believe. I only saw it once, but remembered it was pretty good.
@@barrettokarate Scott’s got a great TH-cam channel and he conducts in-depth interviews with martial arts film legends. Well worth watching if you haven’t seen it!
You nailed my hatred of shaky cam in fight scenes. Thank you for letting me know I'm not the only one who hates it. Great video!
It's the worst!
I grew up watching the old Shaw Brothers Kung Fu movies...good stuff
Nooooo. It's true though, it's movie Karate, but at least we have the genuine ninjitsu in teenage mutant ninja turtles...Don't spoil this for me
10 flips now!
@@sliderx1897 Haha Adrenaline scene was my favourite.....lets clean the dojo 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Same with 3 Ninjas. Those fights were 100% real and 100% brutal.
@@StevenAbney bro!!! The jellybeans!
@@sliderx1897 😂
Nice video Mr Dan Sensei! The better the stuntmen crew, the better the fight scenes can be (as long as the director is competent). Actors who rise to the occasion can increase the options and greatly improve realism of fight scenes and/or action events. I often wonder why there are not more dedicated fight scene directors, since this is a specialized area of action/fight oriented movies, and TV shows. This is why martial artists who star in their own movies usually look awesome.
Since Bruce Lee Times, and you clearly see it on jackie Chan movies, The film rule is Simple, every three moves would be a kill. But The fights takes a long time. That is all
I always felt that the fight scene between the characters of late Roddy "Pied" Piper and Keith David was one of the most realistic fight scenes in movies. Nothing fancy, and very "dirty".
except that it was 20 like mins long that would be over in like 2 mins . props to southpark animating it basically shot for shot in the cripple fight
In a recent interview with Scott Adkins, Jeff Speakman said that the “Attacking Maces” technique of American Kenpo can work in a real fight. We saw Jeff use Attacking Maces in “The Perfect Weapon”, in the scene where he battles the 3 Asian fighters at the gym.
No what he said was All of the Kenpo self-defense techniques Can work but theres no guarantee that any karate technique will work in reality. Attacking maces was a technique that HE created not in original kenpo so his students can havevan offensive technique where they can attack 1st and not always be defensive as with most of kenpos techniques and wait for the person to move or do something before we start.
I just saw a interview with the choreographer from the john wick movies. He said they used the juijitsu stuff cuz it would take over a year for Keanu to get good looking enough at a striking martial art cuz he wasnt in martix shape anymore. So they decided to go with what they call the gunjitsu. He said if he messed up or if the gun jammed they would keep shooting and that would end up in the film making it a lil more gritty and realistic.
BS. Keanu Reeves got interested in, and has been practicing, various forms of martial arts every since the Matrix movies. Some arts he's delved into are Krav Maga, Chinese Wushu, Karate, America Style Boxing, Judo, and BJJ. Considering that, even without taking this training into account, KR has already made other movies where he "looked good" performing striking arts, and also taking into account that he is already a practicing martial artist, and has been for many years (20+ at this point), I don't believe for one second that any choreographer said that about him. Link this interview, or it didn't happen. And, even if it WAS said, it's not supported by Keanu's past accomplishments, and that choreographer did Keanu a great disservice by saying it.
@@Pharto_Stinkus ok well heres the interview. Listen for yourself.i dont think u inderstand what these stunt guys are required to do. They said they it would take him over a year to get the splits back. Doesnt mean he wasnt in shape it means he wasnt in the matrix shape. Well anyways listen for yourself if you dont believe me. Ill be here waiting.
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@@Pharto_Stinkus so did u watch that interview?
@@sliderx1897 nope.
My personal favorite movie fight scene I gotta say is the Daredevil vs Bullseye church fight scene from Season 3 of Daredevil.Great martial arts content, please check it out and hopefully you could do an analysis of it in a future episode.
This guy knows his shit on film making, I loved it 👏👏
Great video! Fascinating stuff! Many thanks :)
Wow man, that was a pretty darn good filmmaking episode. Didn't know you had that kind of knowledge. Bravo sensei.
I really like this video. As a kid I wanted to really get into special effects, but as digital effects we're getting better I lost interest in pursuing it as a career. What I learned about how the camera sees things vs the human eye, came back into play later on as I got serious in my martial arts training. I was able to pick out a lot of the things you talked about and I have spent many years explaining these things to less experienced martial artists so they don't mistake the movies for reality.
You gotta see The Raid Redemption for how gritty they made the multiple fighters against one person look. The way it was cut and framed made it convincingly look real. Particularly the Hallway fight scene. In addition the drug lab scene also deserves a future breakdown.
I've seen parts of it, I recall an awesome kitchen scene. I need to watch it in it's entirety.
12:22 GREAT cut! I never knew it wasn't Pat. Filmed from that low angle REALLY helped hide the height difference. I'm a filmmakr so I should have spotted that. Thanks.
Nothin' but love, Dan. Who else thinks it is so weird having Dan geeking out on film techniques ? :)
No weird to me! I grew up studying movies and I majored in communications, film theory and video production :)
Break down some of the kuro obi scenes.
This segment goes great with Michael Adkins' videocast, i think it's called art of action. In one episode he describes Hong Kong Movies vs Hollywood movies. Would love your take on it some time. As always great stuff Dan!
Great video! I am a martial artist as well. Started karate in the late 80s then did TKD in the 2000s. How about Hong Kong movies. Scott Adkins has a channel and he talks to different martial arts actors about how intense it was filming those fight scenes using Hong Kong directors. He speaks on how he and other actors hit injured and accidentally struck making scenes. Check out some of his videos especially the one with Cynthia Rothrock, Michale Jai White, and Loren Avedon.
Yes please. More of this in future. I suggest Atomic Blonde.
It would be good to see a most realistic fight scenes video. Keep up the good work! 👍
Seconded.
And while the fiction of fighting is fiction,there is still some reality involved!
And that is awesome!
The most interesting thing to me is that as a martial artist, the scenes that are closer to real fights (and especially watching tournament fights) feel so much more real and intense. The movies play things up for the non martial-artists.
Funny story, when I was in high school there was these two guys fighting over this girl. The smaller guy tried to rush the bigger guy, bigger guy done a front kick but how he done it, it looked like a crude crane kick, knocked the smaller guy out, darn near broke his neck and if I remember correctly it knocked a couple of his teeth out. 👊
Maybe it flew under your radar but I've watched "The Last Samurai" an unhealthy number of times and also the bonus disc and there is one bonus where they talk exactly about how many movies fail to have decent background fighters in a big battle scene, so the director fixed this problem by having every duo or group doing a certain thing so everything would mesh together when the scenes were being recorded.
I think that's pretty rad because shows the dedication of the staff. See if you can find a copy of the movie with a bonus disc and pay attention to find this part I commented about.
This was a good video, it was interesting to see all of those tricks they use. I watched another video about this, it was about action scenes and the host talked a lot about shaky cams and those cuts, he also talked about Jackie Chan scenes and how they were an example of well shot action scenes. But it was good watching your video to see a different perspective on the subject.
I totally agree about the shaky camera approach, and a similar trick that often goes in tandem with that is a series of extreme close-ups for a fraction of a second each; A fist, then a foot, then an elbow, then a foot hitting a knee, etc. That's not a fight scene, it's a montage of close ups of moving body parts that leaves me asking, "so what actually happened there?". The first time I remember seeing that was in the 2nd Bourne Identity movie. It left me so insulted that I was expected to mistake a lack of choreography for dramatic film making that I didn't even enjoy the movie (by the end, I was actually pissed off!). That approach doesn't make me "feel like I'm part of the action", it's just the opposite. It's as impactful as watching two guys face off, then the lights go out for 30 seconds, and when the lights come back on, with the bad guy is knocked out. What happened? Who knows, but the good guy won some how.
Agreed!
Great video. Very interesting. 👍
Awesome video... I really did not have any idea of the complexity in a fighting scene... I though it was only a matter of choreography
What are your thoughts on the *actual* karate movie "Kuro-obi"? It's one of the few movies outside of the Karate Kid films that actually make me think of "karate" as opposed to "martial arts that may or may not include Okinawan and Japanese karate." Nobody seems to talk about it. Though some scenes are questionable on a logistical level, it seems to be fairly highly regarded as far as film representations of karate goes.
I'm going to have to give this one a fair watch and break down. I will admit I have not seen it yet but I'm going to make it a priority to watch.
A lot of the hype is because of the actors involved. The good guy, Giryu, is played by Akihito Yagi, now the President of the IMGKA and grandson of the Founder of the Meibukan system of Goju Ryu. Some of the techniques used are taught in the Meibukan Dojo. The Yagi family history in Okinawan Karate seems to allow for some poetic license. His antagonist in the movie is a 7th Dan in Shotokan, as well as a Dan rank in Shorinji Kempo, Tatsuya Naka. Definitely one of the fastest Japanese karateka, extremely knowledgeable, and a very VERY humble man.
Definitely worth a watch, but remember Asian martial arts movies are definitely not aimed at Western audiences...
Another great video. To echo what some of the others have said, you have an impressive understanding of action filmmaking!
Thank you! My actual profession (with White Belt Zach) is video production. I grew up studying film and video.
All of the throws we did in John Wick 3: Parabellum were real, at combat speed, and done in a continuous single take. My brother and I were throwing so hard that the entire crew and extras stopped and just stared at us the first take...Anjelica Huston actually missed her line...said she was not expecting such slams...lol. Director Chad Stahelski had to tell the crew and extras who we were and that while we would be doing that pace and intensity for ten more takes, everyone need not worry for our safety and they would have to stay focused on what they were doing to get the scene finished. It was a great movie.
-The Collier Method of Judo-
This was a cool breakdown. That cobra Kai school brawl in season 2 was great at the background action
Yes I would agree with that very much. Great choreography and a total sense of all hell breaking loose.
Very instructive and entertaining video - thanks a lot!
I totally agree on the shaky cam (or often aptly named "puke cam"), the bane of action movies of the last 20 years, making many of them borderline unwatchable! I'm sure that sometime in the future people will look back at that era and just wonder what moviemakers were thinking.
One bone to pick with this video, though: How can anyone seriously talk about the evolution of movie fights - and not even mention Bruce Lee?! :o
would love to see a contrast between some of the older movies and the newer ones and I would never get tired of the scenes from Perfect Weapon Jeff Speakman, Blood and Bone Michael Jai White, Ip Man, Donnie Yuen and The Last Dragon, Tamaik
There are a few martial arts movies where the director decided to use only professional stuntmen as actors. Google ''best martial arts movies of the 2010s'', or ''best martial arts movies of the 2000s''.
Try Iron Monkey. See Donnie Yen take out multiple attackers with his spinning kick. They came at him all at once. I’m sure movie makers sped it up a bit. Still, a damned good one.
Great, i'm impress by your knowledge of filmmaking.. did you study filmmaking in college? ...Please, make this a series "martial arts fight scenes breakdowns" Yes, fight scenes from movies and TV shows from USA are good but try to breakdown a Hong Kong fight scene too like the "Police Story Mall brawl" bc it have eveything you talked about in this video in one big fight scene lol Keep up your good work.
I did actually. White Belt Zach and I went through college together, communications specifying in film theory and video production :)
@@ArtofOneDojo Great Sensei Dan, so you are more than qualify to make a lot of this breakdowns! I study filmmaking as well..but not in college, its more like self-study and online classes w a teacher. Thanks.
@@eduardoherrera4151 It's really fun stuff to learn and understand how movies are made :)
I would like to know your thoughts on KFM as an art. Given its role in the Batman movies I thought it would be an appropriate time to ask.
Whats kfm?
I use to do kfm. I was doing it on my own while I was also training mma. Each think Iearned worked great in sparring and was very transferable across a range of styles. The two founders of kfm eventually split though and i went with the defense lab group and have not regretted it. As far as i understand Andy Norman who runs Defense Lab was the guy who did the work for batman, mission impossible, and jack reacher. What is shown in batman is fairly small compared to what is taught. Hope that helps.
@@williamhale8162 still wondering what kfm is
@@sliderx1897 Keysi Fighting Method google it. It's a martial arts style from Europe. Its main focus is the study of actual fights in the street. How they start, what was used, how many people, where they occurred. Then that info is transferred into training. Training then involves using various shapes and methods that are super imposed onto various attacking structures. Then everything is done with up to four opponents at a time, in halls, on benches, tables, against walls, and using the natural environment. Agian I would google it as well as Defense Lab and you can get a much better picture then I will be able to explain.
@@williamhale8162 hmm interesting. Ill have to check it out
Interesting!
Kuro Obi is the REAL Karate film.
I think the best fight scenes are the ones with the most realistic REACTIONS and MAKEUP. I hate seeing someone backflip from a front punch. Bonus points for bloody knuckles and face during the fight. Look up "Kung Fu Killer." There are still flashy movie furniture breaks and wires but the fights are pretty realistic in my opinion.
Thats actually true on what he said.. Movies bastardize martial arts but they help build passage to new people who wants to learn martial art..
As a kid watching movie you believe it could happen but when you do martial arts if you have a good teacher. That's the 1st thing your sensei is gonna tell you. I remember my karaté teacher told us "what you see in movies is not the reality of fighting in the streets "
Do u know how many students or parents of have came to me and say "well in the movies...." i usually just say yeah movies are fake. Have you ever seen transformers? I could almost see the light in their head turn on. Lol
@@sliderx1897 exactly. I have kids sometimes who want a do like the movies and then see it's impossible
@@LadyCTR yea when i was a kid i wanted to be a jean claude van damme ninja turtle power ranger special ops agent. Lol
It's never too late!!!!!
This is an excellent presentation. Made more interesting because of the use of martial arts in movies. And now I know the name of that very annoying stretchy film effect... Dolly and zoom.
Thank you.
If it's used in the right moment, the dolly zoom can give great response...usually to illicit a sense of fear or vertigo. It's like the visual representation of a stomach dropping.
In my own opinion the best 1 vs group fight scene is from the original Old Boy (NOT the US Remake)
In a vein similar to “What kind of Karate is in Cobra Kai,” there’s this classic movie, The Last Dragon. At no point do they actually name what style of martial arts either Leroy or Sho-Nuff practice. I’d love to see a break down of their styles. (Also, I’d just love to geek out over that movie; it’s an old favorite.)
I have that as one of my "next to watch lists". Believe it or not, I missed that one growing up! I have failed, I know, but I will correct that mistake!
@@ArtofOneDojo Then you are in for a real treat. You have to keep in mind the era it’s from (bring something to go with all the cheese), but it’s a fun movie. Hope you enjoy it, and I look forward to seeing your comments about it.
Don't you mean, Bruce Lee-roy? 😀
12:58 Tight jeans and a tucked in turtle neck tank top, now that's 80s fashion right there! Actor Scott Adkins has done a few videos where he broke downs different fights scenes including a few of his own and spoken with several martial arts movie performers including Cynthia Rothrock, Phillip Rhee, Benny Urquidez, Steven Seagal, Dolph Lundgren, Richard Norton, Mark Decascos, Jeff Speakman and even Chad Stahelski, director of the John Wick movies. If you're a movie fight buff definitely worth taking a look at. Plus, with him being an actual action/martial arts movie star he asks stuff most of us probably never thought of asking. I'm hoping he can get Pat Johnson and Hiro Koda at some point. Ask them some Karate Kid and Cobra Kai questions, specifically Johnson. Hopefully finally answer (and confirm) the all important question (and answer) that Dan has asked on several videos already. And we what that question is...
I feel like an obvious one is controlling what's in the frame. Framing is the easiest way to limit how much choreography you need and allow for more blatant "cheating". You can have actors running into place, actors standing in place waiting to be struck, staff adding/removing pads for softer landings, and all sorts of other shenanigans.
I would LOVE to see your opinion on the "52 Blocks/Jailhouse Rock" fighting "system". It was most famously used in the Lethal Weapon films, but there is an argument as to whether or not it actually "exists" in a natural environment or if it was put together retrospectively.
I actually asked a youtuber who was locked up, and he didn't know anything about it. He spent 10 years in federal prison, for armed robbery. That doesn't mean it's fake, though.
It's going to be mentioned quickly, included as part of list of arts in a near future video.
The technicalities of film frame of speed and choreography of the fight stunt actors, technique of point of contact like the Crane kick. A lot goes into making a fight scene look good.
This was an education on fighting on film. And Lethal Weapon was the 1st time we see Gracie Jiu-Jitsu in the main fight scene. And I do love the Jeff Speakman’s Kenpo prowess in the perfect weapon. And the stick fighting! Was a lot of Speakman’s stick fighting was it Kenpo Stick techniques or was It Filipino Kali, inspired in it? I thought it was a great film.
What was your take on RDJ’s using Wing Chun Gung Fu I. Sherlock Holmes movie, when they slowed down the fight scenes in it? And his dedication to Wing Chun in his actions Marvel Movies.
We also see in the superhero movies and tv series with Martial Arts a hybrid style of film martial arts with a lot of the focus of not only BJJ, MMA, Kung Fu , Karate, JKD, FMA and especially Pro Wrestling ( mostly Lucha Libre style ) with the Drop kicks and the Flying Head scissors ( We call it the Tijiras ) and Hurricanrana , high cross body splash, elbow Drops , suplexes, clothesline’s maneuvers
How do you know so much about movie choreography and all of the different kinds of filming technique.
My actual profession is video production and editing. Spent my life studying film production :)
Don't ruin my childhood Sensi Dan. Just. Don't.
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The Batman Nolan Trilogy-- Yeah, i am not a fan of the fighting in that trilogy. Very grounded in really. Now, the fighting of Batman (Ben Affleck) in Batman v Superman, (the warehouse scene) now we’re talking!
Really the choreography version of fighting multiple attackers should match the same way you would have to handle multiple attacks for reals by staying out of the circle keeping and making the attackers go through each other to get to you
What about the movie The Perfect Weapon? That is pretty much how my couple of situations happened when I unfortunately yet fortunately got pushed into protecting my ass. I never did a full Kenpo technique, but that was only because it worked so well that they were unable to fight back once I got started. Lol
We did an episode on Perfect Weapon not that long ago :)
@@ArtofOneDojo I know. Thats why I said that.
Fun talk! Thanks!
Actually you can really notice camera flaws sometimes in action movies. For example in the Van Damme classic Bloodsport one guy was knocked out with a kick that whiffed.
James Cagney did Judo, he has 2 great movie fights where he uses it. Someone uploaded the videos.
Who ever said a one man army is unrealistic that karate practioners can't really take on multiple people at once obviously never heard of Ed Parker
I love a good martial arts movie, collect those of Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Jackie Chan, Seagal, Speakman, etc., etc., but ... they are ALL fantasy movies. Yes, some are more believable than others, some require more genuine martial arts ability than others, some people use doubles more than others, and some of the stars were and/or are definitely more legitimate martial artists than others but ... still ALL fantasy movies. And that's OK, movies are supposed to be fantasy on some level or another. And what's realistic may not, probably won't, even, be as entertaining, exciting, and/or dramatic as choreographed fight scenes.
Please review the 'JUDO in movies' video on the Sascha Schmitz channel.
Even sword duels. Hollywood sword fighting is much different.
Very much so! I agree so much and I hate watching a movie where they keep attacking each other's swords and not going for vital strikes.
Did you mention Bruce Lee? What about David Carradine in Kung-Fu. That was a big influence on my interests in the MA. The first time I saw martial arts on TV was a demo by Aaron Banks from NYC.
I find validation in this vid. How can one person take so many blows as these actors. As a practitioner I wonder how affective is it really? Movies have cheapened it
That's always bothered me about a lot of movies, when characters take a ton of hits. That's one thing I really like about the Karate Kid trilogy, the characters actually seem hurt when they get hit.
Just because their not actually making contact, not experienced, and using stunt actors, doesn’t mean this karate isn’t used in real life.
I never said it wasn't used in real life. I know Karate has been used in real life, but it's not usually used in the way we see in the movies. Fights in movies and fights in real life don't usually look or play out the same way.
Oh ok, sry about the misunderstanding
@@indianacarspotters4611 No worries at all my friend :)
My favourite John Wayne comment after beating the shit out of the bad guy "Now crawl outa here!"
What doesnt lu kang run reptile down with kicks? 😱 #childhoodbroken
Isn't it amazing what they can do sometimes?
Have you ever seen the movie Red Belt? They tried to make realistic fight scenes in that, but I think they sacrificed the cinematography.
I saw it several years ago, I need to give it another watch.
Definitely choreographed and stylised combat scenes in films, will look much better and more realistic in films, than than they do in real fights. In fact street brawls caught on film, by someone with a camera or a phone, they tend to look blurred, as well as unclear and sloppy, compared to the scenes in action film.
A lot of the times what looks effective, dramatic and spectacular in films, for the purpose of entertainment, is not what will most likely be devastating and effective in a real fight. Vice versa what is simply devastating and practical in a real fight, be it on the street, in the ring, the MMA octagon, etc, will be unsuitable for action films, as it is not visually clear or from a stylistic, speed and timing, that the human eye can fully capture, move for move. Hence why in combat sports, they use slow motion replays, of various camera angles, to clearly show how a punch, kick, submission, etc were performed, which led to a knockout, or a tap out!
The purpose of films, while it is hoped to be as close to realistic combat as possible, is to entertain, not to instruct the viewer on effective applications of combat.
At times certain films, or even a combat sports fight, can both be instructional, as well as visually, spectacularly enthralling. I myself am not a fan of the shaky camera angles, though I do agree that they are there, to hide the lack of martial arts abilities of the thespians, as well as you have already mentioned Sensei Dan, give those action scenes, a more raw, brutal, street fight vibe to it! Stunt wires or wire-fu as they have been nicknamed, since the Matrix films, can enhance or deteriorate an action scene. In superheroes or fantasy films, they are more believable, however Stephen Segal pops to mind, in some of his woeful action films, in a supposedly modern day setting, in street fights, where he was shown leaping extremely high into the air, doing infinite flying kicks, in continuous sequence, before he would come back to the ground. Or the worst one ever, being those Charlie's Angels films, with Drew Barrymore, Lucy Liu and Cameron Diaz. In those films they abused the hell out of the stunt wire usage, it looked like string puppets, whenever those actresses performed, their lousy, non believable, acrobatic kicks and supposedly flying punches, or fake triple flips in mid air!
I still find that Hollywood A grade films, are yet to find the perfect balance, between superb dramatic, dialogue scenes, combined with excellent, Hong Kong style, action sequences and stunts, of which ironically many B grade films in America have mastered, though lacking the big budget set productions and fantastic, well written, A grade dramatic scripts. Hopefully some day there will be a perfect balance, as well as fusion of the realistic, spectacular action scenes, along with a great dialogue and dramatic scenes, of the action films. 🇲🇽🇦🇺🥋✌👍🤟👊😊
What about the perfect weapon
Love the movie, very good representation of Kenpo but the fights themselves are not realistic. Even though he's using Kenpo techniques, Kenpo techniques are learning tools for freestyle but the thing is, they look GREAT for demonstration so the movie is more of a demonstration rather than a realistic application of the art.
Many people think is the truth.
So you're telling me that these movies aren't documentaries about phenomenal people with great skills? 🤔 childhood ruined
Thats what I don't get you have a karate master who can literally kick you one time fracture your body brake any bone he strikes yet people sit there in the ring for 9 rounds beating on each other yet they say karate is ineffective?
Its not an entire lie the philosophy is real the idealism is real the styles are real only difference is things are choreographed to protect the actors in reality they're far less forgiven and far more bloodier and don't take half as long fma Indonesian kuntao silat one mistake in that is difference between life and death which is inspiration for alot of the kempo and shaolin schools might be the original style
When you see someone working nunchucks or staff or eskrima sticks what looks like a blender maybe they broke a broom or pool stick in half that's real my friend was a 3rd degree Blackbelt a guy started a fight with him he broke his poolstick over his knee and used it as kali practioner would. it looked like something right out of a movie screen.Jet Li really is that good they actually have to slow him down lol 😆
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What about "Bruce lee"
To his point, Bruce Lee coming in hot in the 70's would have been quite the groundbreaking revelation for action in American cinema. I understand the cult-level fandom a little bit better now.
Mile 22 had a really shaky cam and quick editing shots. The fighting choreography was wasted, IMO.
Why aren’t you ever going over the “Highlander” moveis and series. its loaded with martial arts. and plenty of sword fighting
I never said I wouldn't. In fact you're the first one to ask for it. I'd have to seen them again, I watched them a long time ago and honestly didn't care for them too much, but I'd have to watch them again from a martial arts point of view.
@空手道 Hollywood is fine with it, they do it all the time. Every interview and behind the scenes shows how movies are made.
@空手道 I already did. Look back in our video list for an episode called "Staged Combat"
@@ArtofOneDojo I haven’t seen them in years and now find them kind of slow and boring but the fight sequences I liked
Hello Sir!! Can you checkout the movie Kuro Obi??
How come boxers never get in a fight outside the ring in movies
Rocky 5.
@@ArtofOneDojo just 1 movie???
@@dejohnnelacy254 Also Bronson, Ip Man 3 (Mike Tyson fights Ip Man), Never Back Down,
The Movie doesn't like. It is the viewer who lies to themselves believing it's real.
Interesting, I was unsubscribed...
On purpose? Are you back now? I hope you're back with us now :)
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Dan by now everyone who watches your channel should know by now whats what ill tell you what passes me off. They taught Ralph machio no fuckin arts thats why I don't watch Kobra kai. Bc Daniel's been practicing for years and still fights like that plus wears that damn headband.... screw it
John Wick is not karate. It's judo combined with "gun-do".
American kenpo is only in america. When you see it. Its Almost a bigger lie than film karate. Like in Europa or Japan you have to earn your degrees. In america hou van je 10th degree by your 40
I'm sorry but this is not true. First, you find American Kenpo in a lot of countries. It is popular in South American and Europe as well. There are a lot of bad schools unfortunately, but there are also good ones that teach Kenpo properly. No good Kenpo school gives anyone 10th degree at 40. The only people that young with a 10th degree are people who tried to form their own version and named themselves Grandmaster.
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umm it is a MOVIE..of course it will not be "real"..get a life..
You'd be surprised how many people are not aware movie fighting isn't the same as a real fight. I find it worth looking at cinema sometimes and analyzing it. Some people like that, some don't...no need to be salty about it.