I’m very glad that we’ve come far in tack and comfort and bentoven was a great horse he would be even better if we just had the knowledge but we are even better in 2022 and it’s called progress and it’s good 😌
@@almondjoytheoofer140 The saddle pad was made to protect the saddle from sweat, so lazy didn't need to clean it. If you need to use a specific saddle pad on your horse, it means that the saddle doesn't fit your horse. How is that better than a perfectly fitted saddle?
@@Ceciel_ When the hat fit properly it was tight around the head and shaking the head while bending over or upright was part of the testing to make sure that it fit properly!! After 15 or 20 minutes at a show with my helmet on, when I took it off, I would always have a crease across my forehead where the helmet had been!! So it didn't "just sit there"!! ☺
Ahh... The days when custom saddles only cost 55 pounds. Edit: Yes, I know about inflation. First of all, it's a joke, but second, 55 pounds back then is worth 1,172.83 pounds today, according to an inflation calculator. I think custom saddles cost a lot more than that, at least where I come from, they do XD
Omg the swinging leg. Gripping with the knee let’s the rider pivot instead of being firm with the thigh to stay in place. These days you see a lot less of that flapping around, but it still is out there even at Grand Prix level
The horse's over bucking is not a good sign, shows signs of pain and discomfort. Horse was even showing lameness on the lunge. Shows how far we have come in the horse world.
Just a guess, but it looks like the horse was barefoot behind (for who knows how long), and then they put shoes on it. It was probably not lameness but the horse getting used to the hind shoes.
I definitely agree with the lameness on the longe, but as for the bucking, I had a mare that bucked over every single solitary fence just for the hell of it. She never had any soundness issues, she just bucked. It was like her way of expressing herself, I suppose. Boredom, maybe? Spunk? LOL.
To be honest, the horse was bucking after recently getting hind shoes put on, and if you look at his behavior, he looks like he's trying to rid himself of something, which could very well be cause by the new shoes. He doesn't buck in the showjump ring at all, at least that I saw. As for being lame on the lunge, when was that? When he was leaning in towards the center and running on his forehand and considering picking up a canter? That's not lameness. That's an excited, unbalanced horse. Look again after he breaks from the canter. His trot's a little quick, but even as a metronome. Don't be an armchair veterinarian, or so judgmental. Yes, times have changed, but that horse looked like it had top care. I would bet my car it wasn't lame.
***** Agreed. My horse did while he was still very green and didn't have the power/fitness to keep himself balanced. LOTS of trot work and "long and low" riding fixed that pretty well. And the bucking is usual of an opinionated young horse with his first pair of hind shoes.
my how things have changed. some much has put into the comfort of the horse now these days. they didn't have saddle pads then!!!! so glad it is a little safer for both horse and rider now.
+babsfocker Sorry Babs but horses don't necessarily buck because they are in pain. Just take your horse to the paddock and let it run free then see how it bucks. After nearly 60 years around horses I have only had a handful that didn't buck when you do that.
Saddle pads keep the saddle clean, basically. They don't make the saddle fit better. We always rode without saddle pads back in the day, but the saddles were very soft, and very well-fitted. Never had a problem. The only time I caused a sore on a horse was a girth gall on a horse's belly because I put a leather girth on backwards. Had to ride bareback for a couple of weeks. Whereas today, I rescued a horse from a jumping lesson barn who had bald spots on his back from a badly fitted saddle - using a saddle pad. Another horse in that lesson barn was clearly in pain from a poorly made saddle. Ours also had scars on his withers from a poorly fitted blanket. Saddles are often stiff and badly made, poorly fitted. Saddle pads do not equal comfort That has to come from the saddle itself, how well fitted it is to the horse
A properly fitting saddle doesn't need a saddle pad. Originally they were used to protect the saddle, not the horse. Still true today: If you NEED a saddle pad, it's likely your saddle doesn't fit correctly.
It was good to myself in this short film, I am the very young saddle maker putting the two halves of the saddle together, about 7mins into the film, don't blink otherwise you miss me, David J Radley.filmed at W.H.GIDDEN,1962/3
"Although you can buy a horse and have fun in small shows for £50-80..." The modern equivalent is £1038-1661. Which isn't that far off for a hobby-horse tbh.
All the ppl talking about the cost of the saddles it is cheaper when comparing it to now times prices, but at that time that 55 pounds was really expensive. The inflation of economy played a really big role
@@jentehestegal188 A saddle pad is mainly to keep the riders weight from coming down hard on the horses back that's why pads aren't thin pieces of material
@@billie3811 in this case you are just a bad rider. These big pads under the saddle are used when the saddle fits the horse not 100% perfect. I was talking about the saddle pads (or saddle cloth maybe??), these thin squared pads. Maybe we have a translation misunderstanding here. If I translate saddle pad into my language (german), it means the thin ones you can buy now in nearly every colour you like, with glitter on it or what ever you like.
No have you never watched showjumping the horse was getting excited and a bit giddy and skittish. Many highly bred horses are fairly skittish and silly when galloping or jumping. Sometimes horses buck because they are happy or excited, however it can because they are grumpy or angry.
All these comments about ‘poor horses’ and ‘no saddle pads’. What rubbish! Correctly fitting tack was and is key. The improvements as far as the horse is concerned are lighter poles, shallower cups and frangible fences. I love Douglas’s horse lorry. I miss watching Hickstead on TV. The best showjumping arena in the world. It’s stuck behind a paywall now and I can’t afford it.
how times have changed in the sport of show jumping, Douglas Bunn a keen rider and the god father of the Hickstead Derby, he has created top riders throughout the years. I did not like the way some of its competitors, body positioning when riding down the Derby bank. (Riders face forwards in those days, not lean right back).
Loved the fact Beethoven wouldn’t open his mouth for the vet, never make films with animals & children. Thank goodness there are no more baggy assed breaches that look like they’ll take flight
I was thinking that as well. Pain or expressing/warning that he was not going to take much more. It was always the same kick though, so maybe a sore back?
I agree with you. Swishing of the tail is a warning from the horse. The next level is to buck off the rider. But holding his head so high with tight reins and sawing his mouth, prevents him from being able to execute his will to get away from the pain. I'm appaled by the narrator's comment about a jumping horse performing well until he is about 15 years old. I've seen a 15 year old TB mare who had been a jumper. She became a lesson horse. When that was not possible anymore, she was sold as a trail horse. The hind legs were ruined and she had dropped fetlocks. I think that she also had ring bone on the front legs, I saw another horse who had been a jumper and he also had dropped fetlocks. A horse who was trained and riden correctly (Natural collection) to build muscle mass on the back, can still be riden until his early 30's and even later. With a head so high and tight reins results in a sway back. I've seen a 40 year old who could still trail ride with moderation. He died at 41. I've seen another who was 42. I could have been fooled that they were about 23-25 years old. When I was younger, all I would hear is that a horse is only good until he is 20 years old. After that, they were considered too old and useless. What a pity.
@@chrl4180 my sister-in-law had a horse that lived into his early 40s and he was active up until about a month before his kidneys gave out. He was a dressage horse, then a three day eventer, and then a lesson and trail horse. His only complaint was some arthritis controlled with bute. Proper riding and conditioning let him live a good long life.
no no no! regardless of the fit of the saddle the horse should ALWAYS have a pad of some kind whether it is a thin half pad, numnah or thick poly pad as this is what prevents the friction of leather on skin and absorbs sweat! imagine wearing your favourite shoes without socks! they might fit well but it wouldn't be nearly as comfortable!
Oldschool English saddles were beautifully made back then for the individual horse, lined with linen mainly. Numnahs were very unusual until the days of ''off the peg'' saddles. Made to measure bespoke saddlery re-stuffed and adjusted if the horse lost weight [as was done back then] didn't cause sore backs at all. A horse has hair on his/her back so it isn't at all like wearing shoes without socks.
Regarding saddle pads or blankets. Show turnout in England was always minus the saddle blanket. And I think hack classes it may still be correct turnout without one. As this was being filmed they are constantly turned out the same as hunter classes or native pony presentation. Smart neat jackets ties waistcoat top boots horse is not plaited
Now days a saddle pad costs as much as the expensive saddles did back then the horses treats I think are the cheapest thing you can get if you get the small bags of them lol🤣🤣🤣
I agree with you. Most will see "experts" but what I saw is ugly riding : Short reins, a pain bit, sawing the horse's mouth (right/left) and a saddle without other protection. Horses were not meant to jump so high or as far. They only jump if they have to, most often over a small creek or ridge if they are chased by a predator. It results in sprains, bowed tendons, ring bone and dropped fetlocks. His whole weight landing on these tiny two front hooves is very damaging. But the pride of a blue ribbon is more important for these riders. I've seen my share over the years. There is this horseman who is on YT : THINK LIKE A HORSE. This man is full of common sense and has a peculiar sense of humour.
@@chrl4180 i agree with you on a lot of that stuff! but i also believe that jumping isn’t always detrimental to the horse if done correctly. obviously if you don’t have the correct gear, are jumping unsafely, or jumping a horse with medical problems it can be harmful. but i think in most cases jumping is completely fine
hahaha I came for the comments, the bucking is "nothing" wrong its a fresh young horse, a good trainer letting him be him..... He is happy, never shows uncomfortable issues....... Training a horse, means watching a horse, if you are saying this horse is upset? I'd like to meet you, because you are wrong.......
see how he never repremands him? No whip nothing, in the olden days that was a fresh horse, he is learning, great trainers like this let them be themselves, after all every computition is a partnership, you cant make them unless they want to....
And it's Beethoven, for goodness sake. Famous through his loooong career for his playful bucks and showing off . Happy, fulfilled horse. Grr, you fireside critics.
it's like they didn't count the strides at all.. also 3k for a real champion haha, my friend's sister trains dressage horses and they cost over 50k a horse 😂 for 3k you now get a horse for hacking
how ironic, theres a piano player called Beethoven, a movie abt a ST. Bernard, me wanting to name my new St bernard pup Beethoven and this horse called Beethoven
A horse that bucks like that is uncomfortable or even in pain! A bad girth, pinched nerve, sore mucle, bad rider... so many reasons for that little kick on landing. It's not a sign of "spirit".
@@baysalldays4882 i was just cringing at the friction the poor horse is probably feeling... and if its hot outside, ugh.... but that vintage transport truck i would take alllll day!!! i love that!!
?? The majority are exstremely well bred. The only breeds you'll see with "issues" are Arabians, QH and Minature Shetlands but that's not even the common among those breeds, it's just the backyard breeders and halt bred ones.
Does that make much sense? If you mean because of the advances in techniques and equipment since then, wouldn't his rivals have had access to those too, and so the (metaphorical) distance between him and his rivals would have been the same pro rata?
I’ve seen a lot of people commenting about this and yep! Saddle pads aren’t technically needed if the saddle fits properly. It won’t do any major damage HOWEVER, it can rub your horses skin. So, saddle pads were made to help protect the saddle from the horses sweat, and as an added bonus the pad prevents rubbing :)
Joni Troubleboricua Hickstead was a Canadian horse who died after jumping a round. He had nothing to do with Hickstead the world famous equestrian Derby grounds in England. I am sure that Mr Bunn would have been ad shocked and sad as all horse lovers when Hickstead the horse ridden by Eric Lamaze died so suddenly and tragically in 2011.
If you have a well fitted saddle, you shouldn’t need a pad. However, riding without a pad could cause rubbing of the skin, which isn’t good. Saddle pads were originally created to help keep sweat off of the saddle, making have a longer life!
do they realize that the horse is uncomfortable with the shoes and ill fitting saddle without a pad, poor thing no wonder he is bucking. they should at least lunge him correctly and don't start him off on such a difficult course. the horse needs to develop his muscles first.
Beethoven was a stroppy sod who bucked and kicked whether he had a saddle on or not! it's part of why the public loved him. He definitely had a mind of his own -as did Uncle Max!!!
You know nothing about this horse, he was a champion show jumper with countless big wins and that included the world championship. He always bucked and mucked around, it was just his personality.
This was in 1960 that’s 62 years old the horse is long dead and back then people didn’t understand much about horses because it wasn’t studied by vets .
I think that the rider at 3:23 is very decend. The riders today are defenetly not better. It may be that we have a better eye for the horse's comfort. Still I think that showjumping on a wide field is better than on a special riding ground with sand (at least when it isn't too wet) so it is more natural like the fences back then. Also today competition horses are kept inside almost all-day exept for exercise, wich I think is very bad for the horses. In addition, no martingale was used.
@@jochemkoot5808 The more turnout out you can give a competition horse, the better. It is natural for a horse to walk around nibble and browse, be relaxed and keep the gut moving slowly. 24/7 in a stable is wrong. We owe it to them to keep them sane. They give us so much.
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I’m very glad that we’ve come far in tack and comfort and bentoven was a great horse he would be even better if we just had the knowledge but we are even better in 2022 and it’s called progress and it’s good 😌
Ignorant comment.
These poor horses! I’m glad we have come a long way in making them more comfortable!
I think some of the saddles that have no saddlepad have a little padding underneath but not enough t9 keep the horse comfy
Have we?
It seems like much hasn't changed at all.
@@almondjoytheoofer140
The saddle pad was made to protect the saddle from sweat, so lazy didn't need to clean it.
If you need to use a specific saddle pad on your horse, it means that the saddle doesn't fit your horse.
How is that better than a perfectly fitted saddle?
@@Galemor1 u know nothing LMAO
@@Galemor1 That’s… not what saddlepads are for..
LOL does not wear safety hat whilst riding but puts it on to get in the horse box... superb
Jason Saggs To make sure he doesn't forget to take it with him. 😁
Most accidents are at home ;-)
The fact they also just sat on his head without anything to hold it in place.
@@Ceciel_ When the hat fit properly it was tight around the head and shaking the head while bending over or upright was part of the testing to make sure that it fit properly!! After 15 or 20 minutes at a show with my helmet on, when I took it off, I would always have a crease across my forehead where the helmet had been!! So it didn't "just sit there"!! ☺
Holy shit we've come so far in the horse world
Ahh... The days when custom saddles only cost 55 pounds.
Edit: Yes, I know about inflation. First of all, it's a joke, but second, 55 pounds back then is worth 1,172.83 pounds today, according to an inflation calculator. I think custom saddles cost a lot more than that, at least where I come from, they do XD
yep🤣🥲🥲
But 55 pounds at that times was like 550 pounds maybe. I am not English but I inflation and salaries are different from decades ago.
Lol
You forget to adjust for inflation.
8:15 the riders legs over the jump 😱 haha 😄
Omg the swinging leg. Gripping with the knee let’s the rider pivot instead of being firm with the thigh to stay in place. These days you see a lot less of that flapping around, but it still is out there even at Grand Prix level
omg
Great surprise to look into the past. Thank you for sharing.🐴
The horse's over bucking is not a good sign, shows signs of pain and discomfort. Horse was even showing lameness on the lunge. Shows how far we have come in the horse world.
Just a guess, but it looks like the horse was barefoot behind (for who knows how long), and then they put shoes on it. It was probably not lameness but the horse getting used to the hind shoes.
I definitely agree with the lameness on the longe, but as for the bucking, I had a mare that bucked over every single solitary fence just for the hell of it. She never had any soundness issues, she just bucked. It was like her way of expressing herself, I suppose. Boredom, maybe? Spunk? LOL.
To be honest, the horse was bucking after recently getting hind shoes put on, and if you look at his behavior, he looks like he's trying to rid himself of something, which could very well be cause by the new shoes. He doesn't buck in the showjump ring at all, at least that I saw. As for being lame on the lunge, when was that? When he was leaning in towards the center and running on his forehand and considering picking up a canter? That's not lameness. That's an excited, unbalanced horse. Look again after he breaks from the canter. His trot's a little quick, but even as a metronome. Don't be an armchair veterinarian, or so judgmental. Yes, times have changed, but that horse looked like it had top care. I would bet my car it wasn't lame.
***** Agreed. My horse did while he was still very green and didn't have the power/fitness to keep himself balanced. LOTS of trot work and "long and low" riding fixed that pretty well. And the bucking is usual of an opinionated young horse with his first pair of hind shoes.
I knew I wasn`t the only one who noticed this!!
Love the cost fo the hand made saddle, Upto £55, I would love that to be true nowadays :)
Yeah it would be so much cheaper and that the saddle in their day was specially fitted? So cheap for such a good quality saddle to :-)
£55 back then is the equivalent of £1143 today. Still a very good price for a hand made specially fitted saddle of course.
Make that around ~500 adjusted for inflation.
I laughed my ass off, sorry but i did. god I wish county was that cheap
Beethoven was a hugely successful horse!
my how things have changed. some much has put into the comfort of the horse now these days. they didn't have saddle pads then!!!! so glad it is a little safer for both horse and rider now.
+babsfocker Sorry Babs but horses don't necessarily buck because they are in pain. Just take your horse to the paddock and let it run free then see how it bucks. After nearly 60 years around horses I have only had a handful that didn't buck when you do that.
Saddle pads keep the saddle clean, basically. They don't make the saddle fit better. We always rode without saddle pads back in the day, but the saddles were very soft, and very well-fitted. Never had a problem. The only time I caused a sore on a horse was a girth gall on a horse's belly because I put a leather girth on backwards. Had to ride bareback for a couple of weeks.
Whereas today, I rescued a horse from a jumping lesson barn who had bald spots on his back from a badly fitted saddle - using a saddle pad. Another horse in that lesson barn was clearly in pain from a poorly made saddle. Ours also had scars on his withers from a poorly fitted blanket. Saddles are often stiff and badly made, poorly fitted.
Saddle pads do not equal comfort That has to come from the saddle itself, how well fitted it is to the horse
A properly fitting saddle doesn't need a saddle pad. Originally they were used to protect the saddle, not the horse. Still true today: If you NEED a saddle pad, it's likely your saddle doesn't fit correctly.
Fabulous! But the prices....whew! Was it not that long ago that prices were reasonable? Great footage...got any more?
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that was 60 years ago
the working salary was maby 3 pounds an hour.. remember inflation was not a hudge issue back then
Working around 20 hours to then afford the cost of a horse doesn’t sound too bad … can’t quite do that nowadays ;(
When you jumped minus helmet.....nostalgic video 😁
i always forget that saddle pads are a relatively new concept haha spoiled horses these days :P
It was good to myself in this short film, I am the very young saddle maker putting the two halves of the saddle together, about 7mins into the film, don't blink otherwise you miss me, David J Radley.filmed at W.H.GIDDEN,1962/3
Mr. Douglas Bunn, The Master of Hickstead.
Hickstead, built by Mr. Bunn and run by his Family.
Great show jumping man with enthusiasm for his Sport.
I wish horses cost that much now
"Although you can buy a horse and have fun in small shows for £50-80..."
The modern equivalent is £1038-1661. Which isn't that far off for a hobby-horse tbh.
You need to adjust for inflation.
All the ppl talking about the cost of the saddles it is cheaper when comparing it to now times prices, but at that time that 55 pounds was really expensive. The inflation of economy played a really big role
Unbroken? How are they jumping him when they say that 😒😒
I had no idea they rode without a saddle pad back then that is crazy!
A saddle pad is only there to protect the saddle from the horse sweat. So a horse doesn't need a saddle pad under the saddle.
@@jentehestegal188 You are so wrong
@@billie3811 Why am I so wrong?? Please explain it to me!
@@jentehestegal188 A saddle pad is mainly to keep the riders weight from coming down hard on the horses back that's why pads aren't thin pieces of material
@@billie3811 in this case you are just a bad rider. These big pads under the saddle are used when the saddle fits the horse not 100% perfect.
I was talking about the saddle pads (or saddle cloth maybe??), these thin squared pads.
Maybe we have a translation misunderstanding here. If I translate saddle pad into my language (german), it means the thin ones you can buy now in nearly every colour you like, with glitter on it or what ever you like.
The horse truck (or van) is divine
This is very interesting. The bucking did bother be though. I think the saddle is irritating the horse due to the absence of the saddle pad.
That's what I was thinking
No have you never watched showjumping the horse was getting excited and a bit giddy and skittish. Many highly bred horses are fairly skittish and silly when galloping or jumping. Sometimes horses buck because they are happy or excited, however it can because they are grumpy or angry.
Nothing to do with discomfort. That was Beethoven's personality !
@@christinecronje4704 Ryan's Son and John Whittaker too.
@@fiequestrian.x6079 Perfect discription
Loved watching Hickstead! I remember well Ryans son bucking after every jump!
All these comments about ‘poor horses’ and ‘no saddle pads’. What rubbish!
Correctly fitting tack was and is key. The improvements as far as the horse is concerned are lighter poles, shallower cups and frangible fences.
I love Douglas’s horse lorry.
I miss watching Hickstead on TV. The best showjumping arena in the world. It’s stuck behind a paywall now and I can’t afford it.
how times have changed in the sport of show jumping, Douglas Bunn a keen rider and the god father of the Hickstead Derby, he has created top riders throughout the years. I did not like the way some of its competitors, body positioning when riding down the Derby bank. (Riders face forwards in those days, not lean right back).
Fun. Nice van. He became a great horse. 👍
8:16 how I feel I look when I jump
Me too!
Love the horse van!
R.I.P sweet boy You were amazing
I wish you could buy saddles for £50 these days 😂😂😂
Lucy Deveney 50 pounds back then would be the equilivant of 1000 pounds now
Nice jods! Seems just like yesterday.
Loved the fact Beethoven wouldn’t open his mouth for the vet, never make films with animals & children.
Thank goodness there are no more baggy assed breaches that look like they’ll take flight
Whirling his tail and kicking repeatedly during training, speaks of some major discomfort. The narrator calls it " spirited"...oh well, poor horse.
I was thinking that as well. Pain or expressing/warning that he was not going to take much more. It was always the same kick though, so maybe a sore back?
@@bethrappeport9381 when the horse bucks after a jump it indicates blockade of sacroiliac joint usually or general back problems
I agree with you. Swishing of the tail is a warning from the horse. The next level is to buck off the rider. But holding his head so high with tight reins and sawing his mouth, prevents him from being able to execute his will to get away from the pain. I'm appaled by the narrator's comment about a jumping horse performing well until he is about 15 years old. I've seen a 15 year old TB mare who had been a jumper. She became a lesson horse. When that was not possible anymore, she was sold as a trail horse. The hind legs were ruined and she had dropped fetlocks. I think that she also had ring bone on the front legs, I saw another horse who had been a jumper and he also had dropped fetlocks. A horse who was trained and riden correctly (Natural collection) to build muscle mass on the back, can still be riden until his early 30's and even later. With a head so high and tight reins results in a sway back. I've seen a 40 year old who could still trail ride with moderation. He died at 41. I've seen another who was 42. I could have been fooled that they were about 23-25 years old. When I was younger, all I would hear is that a horse is only good until he is 20 years old. After that, they were considered too old and useless. What a pity.
@@chrl4180 my sister-in-law had a horse that lived into his early 40s and he was active up until about a month before his kidneys gave out. He was a dressage horse, then a three day eventer, and then a lesson and trail horse. His only complaint was some arthritis controlled with bute. Proper riding and conditioning let him live a good long life.
This horse landed up being very successful
Individual gold medal in the 1970 world championship.
No saddle pad that must of been uncomfortable 😬
The lower leg on some of the riders kinda scares me
Those bits tho😭
This made me so happy
I need the brown horse transporter! 😍
J'adore le camion et son vernis impeccable.
Much more classy back then. More respect for horses and less kamakaze.
Im a hunter/jumper and i can't believe that nobody used saddle pads then
Some people don't now. If the saddle fits correctly you don't need too
no no no! regardless of the fit of the saddle the horse should ALWAYS have a pad of some kind whether it is a thin half pad, numnah or thick poly pad as this is what prevents the friction of leather on skin and absorbs sweat!
imagine wearing your favourite shoes without socks! they might fit well but it wouldn't be nearly as comfortable!
Well, I mean, that plus the fact that you will -eventually- degrade the leather/reduce the effectiveness of the saddle.
Oldschool English saddles were beautifully made back then for the individual horse, lined with linen mainly.
Numnahs were very unusual until the days of ''off the peg'' saddles.
Made to measure bespoke saddlery re-stuffed and adjusted if the horse lost weight [as was done back then] didn't cause sore backs at all.
A horse has hair on his/her back so it isn't at all like wearing shoes without socks.
Dog Jumper Champions HOW TO'S A well crafted made-to-fit horse and rider saddle shouldn't need a numnah or saddle pad.
For those wondering, $55 in 1960is equivalent to $543 today. :-)
Amazing,
I feel like the bit was gonna slice through his head😭
Regarding saddle pads or blankets. Show turnout in England was always minus the saddle blanket. And I think hack classes it may still be correct turnout without one. As this was being filmed they are constantly turned out the same as hunter classes or native pony presentation. Smart neat jackets ties waistcoat top boots horse is not plaited
Now days a saddle pad costs as much as the expensive saddles did back then the horses treats I think are the cheapest thing you can get if you get the small bags of them lol🤣🤣🤣
Not really. You’re forgetting to adjust for inflation.
You could buy a horse for the price of a private lesson!
i know it’s low hanging fruit to comment this, but wow the riding in this video is pretty horrendous 😭😭
I agree with you. Most will see "experts" but what I saw is ugly riding : Short reins, a pain bit, sawing the horse's mouth (right/left) and a saddle without other protection. Horses were not meant to jump so high or as far. They only jump if they have to, most often over a small creek or ridge if they are chased by a predator. It results in sprains, bowed tendons, ring bone and dropped fetlocks. His whole weight landing on these tiny two front hooves is very damaging. But the pride of a blue ribbon is more important for these riders. I've seen my share over the years. There is this horseman who is on YT : THINK LIKE A HORSE. This man is full of common sense and has a peculiar sense of humour.
@@chrl4180 i agree with you on a lot of that stuff! but i also believe that jumping isn’t always detrimental to the horse if done correctly. obviously if you don’t have the correct gear, are jumping unsafely, or jumping a horse with medical problems it can be harmful. but i think in most cases jumping is completely fine
2:20 LMAO I thought he meant mares *wheeze*
£3000 for a champion wow I wish it was that price nowadays you can pay £5000 for a unbroken lame horse 😭
£3000 is roughly £70,000 in today's money. Still on the cheap side for a top showjumper though
£50 - £80 jeez! Give me one of them!
amazing
5:20 did cars used to drive opposite ways in the 60s?!
8:16 What it feels like when I'm riding. VS
8:45
And now horses that are champions are sold for like 1 mil
I love how he said aluminum
Smeeze You mean aluminium which is the English, original and correct way of spelling and pronouncing the word.
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He sounds like my Grandpa he was from Surrey I went to School with that accent and was corrected by the teacher
LOL! At Beethoven's first show, on the first jump the riders leg just swings away! How times have changed!
You should see Roger Yves Bost, he is a french rider and he does the same thing with is legs 😅 Terrible to look at
8:15 shows how bad those saddles were lmaoo
hahaha I came for the comments, the bucking is "nothing" wrong its a fresh young horse, a good trainer letting him be him..... He is happy, never shows uncomfortable issues....... Training a horse, means watching a horse, if you are saying this horse is upset? I'd like to meet you, because you are wrong.......
see how he never repremands him? No whip nothing, in the olden days that was a fresh horse, he is learning, great trainers like this let them be themselves, after all every computition is a partnership, you cant make them unless they want to....
And it's Beethoven, for goodness sake. Famous through his loooong career for his playful bucks and showing off . Happy, fulfilled horse. Grr, you fireside critics.
it's like they didn't count the strides at all.. also 3k for a real champion haha, my friend's sister trains dressage horses and they cost over 50k a horse 😂 for 3k you now get a horse for hacking
how ironic, theres a piano player called Beethoven, a movie abt a ST. Bernard, me wanting to name my new St bernard pup Beethoven and this horse called Beethoven
Bro imagine a sidesaddle only costing £50, they cost like £300-400, maybe more if i did my google-ing correct
A horse that bucks like that is uncomfortable or even in pain! A bad girth, pinched nerve, sore mucle, bad rider... so many reasons for that little kick on landing. It's not a sign of "spirit".
Shut up - you know obviously know nothing about Beethoven.
Before saddle pads were invented?
Saddle pads have been around for centuries, but were not considered to be super important back in the day !
@@baysalldays4882 I couldn't imagine riding without one!
@@chellefell1331 Personally, same. Not only are they fashion but they add life to my saddle and stop rubbing haha
@@baysalldays4882 i was just cringing at the friction the poor horse is probably feeling... and if its hot outside, ugh....
but that vintage transport truck i would take alllll day!!! i love that!!
im sorry, but where did his leg go?! 8:14
Why dont they wear saddlepads?!?!
Those are some proper traditional stunning horses 🐴 not like the poor bred mangily ones Nower days
?? The majority are exstremely well bred. The only breeds you'll see with "issues" are Arabians, QH and Minature Shetlands but that's not even the common among those breeds, it's just the backyard breeders and halt bred ones.
What?!!!
you can't even find a saddle for 55 pounds in a second hand shop
You'd have to calculate the inflation rate, £1143, you could easily get a descent budget saddle for that price, new or second hand.
Dang if this horse was born now he would’ve been a better champion
Does that make much sense? If you mean because of the advances in techniques and equipment since then, wouldn't his rivals have had access to those too, and so the (metaphorical) distance between him and his rivals would have been the same pro rata?
How could he be more than the world championship he won???
There is NO saddle pad???
I’ve seen a lot of people commenting about this and yep! Saddle pads aren’t technically needed if the saddle fits properly. It won’t do any major damage HOWEVER, it can rub your horses skin. So, saddle pads were made to help protect the saddle from the horses sweat, and as an added bonus the pad prevents rubbing :)
omg only 25,000 pounds for a top level horse? 😭 i wish. now top level horses are as much as houses 😭
how upset was he when hickstead died
Joni Troubleboricua Hickstead was a Canadian horse who died after jumping a round. He had nothing to do with Hickstead the world famous equestrian Derby grounds in England. I am sure that Mr Bunn would have been ad shocked and sad as all horse lovers when Hickstead the horse ridden by Eric Lamaze died so suddenly and tragically in 2011.
He was dead when Hickstead died
At 8:14 That poor horse his owners legs were all over the place😞
No one is going to talk about how they dont wear saddle pads?
They've been talking about nothing but!
Comments have become monotonous about no saddle tampons.
The amount of times he said "horse and rider" was to much.
I wonder if he could spell?
No helmet, and some of those horses had no saddle pad. 🙁
Mr Bunn pulling the most off poor Beethoven ,🤦
Wow it really shows how much we have approved as riders. This is such shit ridding and those poor horses
Nah there's still a lot of shitty riding in the horse world
@@OfficialMuffiin but that type of riding isn't normalized especially in shows, everyone will call it out right away.
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AAAHHHH where are the saddle pads?
If you have a well fitted saddle, you shouldn’t need a pad. However, riding without a pad could cause rubbing of the skin, which isn’t good. Saddle pads were originally created to help keep sweat off of the saddle, making have a longer life!
That saddle doesn’t fit him! Sad
do they realize that the horse is uncomfortable with the shoes and ill fitting saddle without a pad, poor thing no wonder he is bucking. they should at least lunge him correctly and don't start him off on such a difficult course. the horse needs to develop his muscles first.
+babsfocker that horse is long dead so let's not sweat how they should longe him to develop muscle. :-D :-D :-D
Beethoven was a stroppy sod who bucked and kicked whether he had a saddle on or not! it's part of why the public loved him. He definitely had a mind of his own -as did Uncle Max!!!
You know nothing about this horse, he was a champion show jumper with countless big wins and that included the world championship. He always bucked and mucked around, it was just his personality.
Another bloody 'expert'. Christ can't you lot be quiet!
This was in 1960 that’s 62 years old the horse is long dead and back then people didn’t understand much about horses because it wasn’t studied by vets .
...and their mouths were turned into hamburger (uplifting strings and chirping flutes in the background)
Laura Cleveland Such an ignorant remark! Most showjumpers in those days were ridden in an
egbutt snaffle and a cavesson noseband!
Why are the riders so bad in this video compared to today?😱 They look out of shape and as if they dont really know what theyre doing
I think that the rider at 3:23 is very decend. The riders today are defenetly not better. It may be that we have a better eye for the horse's comfort. Still I think that showjumping on a wide field is better than on a special riding ground with sand (at least when it isn't too wet) so it is more natural like the fences back then. Also today competition horses are kept inside almost all-day exept for exercise, wich I think is very bad for the horses. In addition, no martingale was used.
@@jochemkoot5808I was just refering to the riders position while jumping
@@jochemkoot5808 The more turnout out you can give a competition horse, the better. It is natural for a horse to walk around nibble and browse, be relaxed and keep the gut moving slowly. 24/7 in a stable is wrong. We owe it to them to keep them sane. They give us so much.