@@BulletClub444Lifethere’s a reason why everyone has come around with their way of thinking. Remember when saying “The Young Bucks are not over” was sacrilegious?
The thing is, people are genuinely disappointed at how AEW has turned out. People like Meltzer actively tried to strike people's credibility when they voiced criticism of the product which was completely unnecessary. I fully conceded the tribalism is tiring on both sides but AEW directly at the source encouraged that in the beginning also. They opened themselves up to this. Even if you scroll through these comments, there will inevitably be one AEW fan who just comments back to someone with some sort of insult with an emoji. It's hardly productive. That said, 83 weeks is now just Bischoff shitting on AEW and by his own admission he barely watches the show. Both sides are guilty. At least Cornette for example, watches the show in order to comment.
@@samallex6484 this is exactly the type of response I'm talking about. Just attacking the people involved rather than the points made by the individuals. Even if they want a booking job, which I don't think Jim or Dutch do to be fair. Eric, I'm not sure. But it doesn't suddenly make their opinion invalid. I said Jim watches also, Dutch says he dips in and out. Eric openly stated he barely watches AEW so I equally think him doing sometimes 2 hour videos shitting on AEW is a bit dubious.
Meltzer is a legend in his own mind!! He constantly gets things wrong, while Dutch has forgotten more than Meltzer ever knew!! Keep cranking out the great content, Dutch and James!!
Dave Meltzer can’t take AEW criticism because he’s in the inner sanctum. When you’re getting calls from the booker and discussing storylines and strategies with them you have a different context for the product than what viewers are getting on TV. You can no longer be subjective because you can’t see the forest from the trees. Dutch will know this. When you’re part of the problem you can’t identify the problem.
AEW is the closest to a company made for him there will ever be, so if it doesn’t succeed then his credibility goes with it. In reality his credibility has already gone, but he doesn’t think so.
If all the old school guys were wrong about wrestling and that the modern AEW is the best. Ratings would bear it out. People on the internet who form communities are a niche of a niche. Your general/casual audience are not going to deep dive, or have online discussions. They either watch or they don't.
Meltzer is too stupid to see the forest for the trees and he was too stupid to realize that he was being used by the boys & girls in the locker room to get themselves over.
The entire Aew establishment was based on Anti-Vince and Anti-WWE philosophy. WWE entartainment based wrestling is not what wrestling should be, that's now how how promos should be made. Aew tried to the new 2024 ECW and not WCW. Bunch of indie renegades who wants to go against the established wrestling order. Their wrestling is enterily based on NJPW strong man style which is only popular there in Japan but also looks utterly reckless, dangerous and sometimes sloppy. No wrestling storylines no character sold development but just random throwaway dream matches and routine move set. Their mindset is still stuck at the indie level. And when anybody claps back they absolutely lose their marbels. Because that would prove what they was thought to be as great wrestling can't draw huge rating and ain't popular amongst casual fans. So their little hardcore base attacks Aew detractors and any fans criticising Aew. They can't admit they are actually wrong.
WWE handed anybody with money and some mind for the business a golden opportunity. The WWE product was almost at an all time low between 2017 and 2019. That was basically the perfect window to have another promotion with mainstream appeal. Because of that there was an incredible amount of goodwill towards AEW from it's inception. But since it's apparent Tony Khan refuses to accept valid criticism and wants to have an indie-riffic product that mostly satisfies himself, more and more people tuned out. You can't have that a product that only attractes a niche audience and expect it to grow.
Strong style looks so stupid to me. The idea of wrestling is trying to make something that doesn't hurt look painful. The Strong Style guys seem to owe more to masochism than to working. It's not about being a good fighter, it's pretending that stuff that actual hurts doesn't. They'll stand there and let the opponent hit them, they'll try to take as many finishers as they can which diminish the moves...
The only problem is ECW developed stars people cared about (Sandman, Sabu, Raven, New Jack) and mixed in a bunch of veterans they used properly (Bam Bam, Funk, Candido) and employed passionate broadcaster to get it all over (Styles) all while cultivating a actual fan base and did it in a era where the top two promotions at the time were stale and did nothing but book horrible cartoon wrestling. It’s apples and oranges in my opinion as to watch a AEW program in 2024 is drudgery. Horrible booking, no storylines, no one I really care about and being called by a goof in a fucking mask. Very good post.
@amicooke1790 I'd venture to guess they'd be insulted by your comparison... I don't know for sure, but AEW's echo chamber could fit 12 of the DC's echo chamber and still have room for an asteroid.
I just like watching wrestling so I pretty much watch it all. TNA is my favorite weekly show on TV, WWE is kinda slipping for me and I only watch AEW for the talent at this point. I don't get why people can't just enjoy it and appreciate that there's more wrestling to watch. It's all fucking cringe when you boil it all down, so what's the big deal?
@@nomadlurks I wouldn't say all of it is cringe. The Bloodline storyline is pretty interesting. TNA is better than it's been for a LONG time. MLW was my favorite promotion before Jacob Fatu & Alexander Hammerstone left. I can relate to you watching AEW more for the talent and the quality match here & there, but it's more abysmal than ever. I'd shit on The Elite storyline, but it would be like shitting on... shit. If Punk can manage to not get injured immediately upon his return, Raw has a chance to be consistently good.
A couple weeks ago, I decided to test the whole idea that "Oh, people just hate AEW cause they listen to people who tell them to hate AEW" thing. Cause I haven't watched AEW regularly since it's first three or so months on air, aside from tuning in for the odd MJF or Punk, when he was there, segment. I only really see clips, or listen to Jim Cornette's reviews otherwise. So I figured, hey, I'll give them a shot. So I can say, with certainty, that if I hate AEW, it is because *I* hate AEW. And the episode I tuned into was the episode where The Bucks and Perry and Okada attacked Tony. I was already tapped out two minutes in with the opening segment of the Bucks and their cronies walking in, then an Orange Cassidy segment opened the show, but it just kept getting worse. The incomprehensible Sasha Banks segment where no one seemed to know how to cut a promo, the interminable match between supposed main guy Swerve and the pale giant job guy, Moxley... being Jon Moxley, it's an awful tv program. So, no, Dave. I don't hate AEW cause I feel a need to defend the WWE. I don't hate it cause it's "different." I don't hate it cause I listen to people who also hate AEW. I hate AEW because it is offensive to *my* sensibilities, not just as a lifelong wrestling fan, but to *my* sensibilities as someone who just likes good television. It is insulting, amateur hour nonsense tv, made by unserious people, who just expect me to love them causr I'm apparently supposed to in their delusional little fantasy land where they think that they and their friends are the best thing to happen to wrestling since the Gold Dust Trio.
'Clearly you're a hater', 'WWE did Katie Vick', 'uhmm did you not see wembley' 😂😂😂😂😂 Anything other than to take accountability for their bad product. They do the same things over and over that drive people away. They should try a smiliar experiment, put out a few good episodes and see what the numbers and critics do.
The real reason Dave thinks this is because the majority of die hard AEW fans have been convinced my Dave Meltzer that this is the future of wrestling... for him to admit that people form their own opinion, would undermine his own ego.
Aew does not have one wrestler at the moment that is over to the main stream public . Daniel bryan has pretty much flushed any star power he had down the toilet . That edge guy was pretty popular but man that copeland guy just aint got it
@@slimeosamaMercedeces was never a mainstream star lmfao. Any stardom or mainstream exposure Mercedes Varnado go was because SASHA BANKS was popular and had the WWE machine and snoop dog connection. Mercedes Mone means less than nothing and has been beyond exposed since she debuted in aew..utterly AWFUL actor whose beyond cringe.
@@stephenjones1488 Just irrational hatred lmao. This is what ole Dave was talking about. Nobody is a star to you unless they are in WWE, you won't even acknowledge mercedes who has like 10 million followers on all her socials. That's the derangement syndrome
I turned to AEW as an alternative when it first started because it was a breath of fresh air and something different because at that time back in 2019, WWE wasn’t really good and AEW was exciting but then through the next 3 years, i was losing interest due to the lack of story telling and yes, the wrestling part of it is amazing but it wasn’t enough do to the lack of story and I think WWE was learning from its flaws and got better as a product.
Looking at the fluctuations in quarterly viewership through the shows, and overall decline in aew ratings, it amuses me when the aew trolls tell me I should be watching. YOU CAN'T EVEN SIT THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR OWN SHOWS! So why should anyone else? They're hypocrites, they say one thing and do another.
I listen to Cornette as well as Dutch, and the funny thing is that if you pay attention to the quarter rating breakdown, it's clear that it's certain wrestlers that are driving people away, like the Bucks, Orange Cassidy, and Jericho.
I tried to get AEW tickets for milwaukee, the price was almost double then WWE. As a single dad they're priced out of my comfort zone. My daughters love WWE, the product is not family friendly.
The wrestling is good. It's just that it's pointless and you forget about them because there's no reason for the matches. No story being told why we should care.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 You think AEW is real wrestling? AEW marks are hilarious always thinking you know what is and isn't real wrestling lol. I watch and enjoy AEW (well sort of enjoy it for the most part) btw, it's just you AEW marks are a silly bunch. You give wrestling fans a bad name with your nonsense. Let people criticise AEW without crying about it just once FFS. Tony Khan doesn't pay you to stick up for AEW, so why do it?
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 I can't stand RAW half the time and shut it off and go to bed. Smackdown is the only interesting show most of the time, because of these crazy things called storylines.
I guess I am the only fan who doesn't want AEW to burn to the ground. As good as WWE has been under HHH leadership, I do not want a WWE monopoly again.
I don’t want them to die either, I just want AEW to get better and honestly I don’t think it ever will with Tony running things, it’s his baby so he’ll never give up control of it to someone else
Yea, there is not a single person demanding AEW shuts down. If they hated that bad, it's really easy to not acknowledge the show. Everyone that criticizes AEW just wants it to be good and make good on the promises and the hope it gave us when it started.
The guys that are being left off TV are the ones who used to hang out with Cody a lot. That was the one person Tony Khan couldn't afford to let go. Cody was the actual veteran in the locker room that all the young talent looked up to and went to for advice. Just speculating here but if they went to Cody every time they had a problem or were dissatisfied with their creative in the past. Then who would they have the confidence to approach with their concerns now that he's gone?
The problem is he's pot committed at this point. If he concedes AEW is the issue, then he's essentially saying the style that he's championed for the past 30 years is inferior. He's way too invested on a personal level.
I think Dutch Mantell and Jim Cornette are the only two most reliable podcast for wrestling. I listen to Keepin It 100and Eric Bischoff's 83 weeks but Dutch Mantell and Jimmy have more grounded knowledge overall.
I think corny purposely delays uploading of videos by 2 - 3 days or more so he can collect more information. No matter what he says he's going to get a backlash not that he cares but it's what it's. It's also amusing he's the only who is giving Aew the right feedback and aew talent, booker and fans doesn't want to accept it. Recently Samantha Irvin got massive backlash on twitter by Aew fan boy cult because corny praised her work.
Odd, it wasn't derangement syndrome when wwe was criticized for years, it was justified constructive criticism...Mike Johnsons opinion he read is accurate, Dave's dream come true and validates him for aew to succeed.
@@chuckles9767 They're woke idiots, which is funny since the Bucks support Trump which is like the only modern anti-woke politician in modern history. Cornette HATES Trump, but is more or less the Trump of the wrestling world in terms of reputation and how he's treated. Cornette gets blamed for every little comment and joke which always get taken out of context but just wants to make the wrestling world great again (though I think he's given up on actually achieving that so he just talks about it). The Bucks and their buddies support Trump but are little sensitive sissies that need to be praised only.
The other problem with today’s wrestling (and actually for awhile now) is the guaranteed contracts. Wrestling worked back in the day because it’s a performance based profession. You should be paid on what you bring in. That way, the guys are inclined to perform better to get a bigger payout. They’re essentially salespeople. If you didn’t pay a salesperson a commission and just guaranteed them money, why would they even really care to go out and sell your product? They’d be getting paid regardless if they sell one unit or a thousand. You have to incentivize them.
Every time I criticize AEW, people call me a WWE trialist. I don't even watch WWE. The fact is, wrestling is about people having a conflict and resolving it physically. It's not just people senselessly beating each other down. And, you need a good reason to want to fight someone. AEW would have you believe that people just look at you funny and then there's a throw down that's so drastic that you'd throw yourself off of a 30 foot drop. Just because they looked at you funny? You need a real reason to fight someone. They tell me, "If you want a story, go to WWE. We're here for the action and we want to see who is going to win." It's not real! If you want to see who's going to win, based on what a writer chose in the back, then how simple minded are you? I'd forgive AEW if they would lean further into it being a fake sport. For example, they have their win/lose record. And, they have contendership. Take it to the next level and make this fake prize fighting. Bring back the "pay window". Or, have wrestlers compete for cars and vacation trips like it's next level American Gladiators or boxing. Then you wouldn't need a plot. If you're going to bring out glass and tacks, then I need to believe that these people have a real reason to want to maim each other, not because it's a random Wednesday. If I wanted to watch people hurting each other, I'd watch MMA or boxing. AEW's pain is real enough anyways, throwing a dude who was hit by a literal bus back in action and having the longest injury list in history. Might as well bring back Brawl For All.
AEW is often disappointing, but it’s still good that there is a paycheck for lots of wrestlers. That’s about the only positive I can think of … … back to the disappointment…
This bizarre mindset that AEW should be immune from criticism, or that no one could watch their show and not be impressed turns more people off than anything else.
I’ve tried to watch AEW several weeks in a row and literally everytime Ive turned it on I see an out shape, out of breath Chris Jericho, followed by a segment where Kris Statlander is being told to stay backstage…. talk about “go away heat”
AEW has little continuity... Random trios teams that make you think why? Then guys running in to help with little connection to the person getting a beat down. They need a plan... Set out a story and stick with it for longer than two weeks.
I just wish that Tony Khan would give the booking of the show to somebody else because his booking is terrible. The fact that he books four shows including ROH shows that it's a lot of work for one person.
You know for context, "AEW Derangement Syndrome" is derived from the term "Punk Derangement Syndrome" which a twitter user coined for those kind of people that are so obsessed with hating CM Punk that they spent more time a day thinking about him than Punk fans do ("Punk Derangement Syndrome (PDS) is a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike of CM Punk to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason"). So I think the question is not "why do people dislike AEW" but "why are some people constantly in the comment sections of every AEW related tweet shitting on AEW and bringing it up all the time."
I'm a wrestling fan from way back. I've watched WWF/WWE, WCW, TNA, New Japan etc and I used to watch AEW but every time I switch it on now all I see is a wrestling company shitting the bed.
AEW has many issues but I agree with Dutch on the production. It looks low budget, sounds low budget and that makes a new viewer think of it as low budget.
Just because TNT doesn't have the NBA doesn't mean it's a good thing for AEW. AEW's numbers are so that TNT could put re-runs of any major show over the last 30 years that they have the rights to and they'd get at least a million viewers which is better than what AEW gets. Warnee Discovery will absolutely find something to replace those AEW time slots it might re-runs of old shows first but they will find something to fill that time with and chances are it will get better numbers than AEW and it might cost them less than paying for AEW. I hate to say it I really do but the writing has been on the wall for a while now.
Tony Kahn will spend $100 million on wrestling talent but he can't spend 50 bucks on production. Lucha Underground had better production than any other small promotion had in the last 20 years. They need to just hire that team.
Always nice to see another person who appreciates the greatness that was Lucha Underground. It was fascinating to see pro wrestling presented in a different context. Most promotions present themselves as a more colorful version of a legit combat promotion but Lucha Underground went in a completely different direction. They basically combined two of my favorite things: pro wrestling and superheroes.
If I'm WBD & I can't keep the NBA, then I am rebranding my network and taking that 3 billion and I am going to invest in some high quality movies and television. My network will look completely different in 2 years. I'm going to go with the trends and put out some Game of thrones type stuff.
I gave AEW a shot. I watched for about the first year and half or so but their lack of builds/storytelling, lack of selling, and many other things just made me not bother watching. Dave is crazy.
i have been watching AEW since day 1. AEW has caused me to watch the show and not enjoy it. The fact that Dave says people cant think for themselves is just ridiculous. Basically he is saying people are stupid
NXT films in a darkly light studio in front of a small audience-but they still manage to get it right. It’s a small location but it’s packed and the audience are super into what they are seeing, it’s very rare to have moments of dead silence. Even when it’s not full, they have it light in the just right places so you don’t see empty sections and your eyes are drawn to the action. AEW’s whole approach to production is half assed.
"Some other nefarious power out there..." 🤣 I now have the picture in my head of twp robed and cloaked figures removing the hood to reveal Dutch and Corny!!! Dutch : "It us Tony! It's us Tony! It was us all along Tony!" Corny: "Yeah you Mother&%*%ing Mark!"
Life long wrestling fan Started watching AEW when danhausen Appeared He was Hurt so I decided let's still go to the show and keep up and by the time he's healed ill be invested in the Characters, the story's and some matches would be great Except Danhausen was used less than 5 times Asked for a return to the indys The one storyline they had for the year both people got injured MJF/Cole so it couldn't finish, then we go to 2024 AEW announces another show in winnipeg and I went "Well they did 10k last time I can't wait to see a full building again" Then danhausen was booked for Defy/GCW the week of the show and I went "Yea not going".....then I decided to check the AVAILABLE tickets and there was 4.5k available around for a 12k venue.....when they did 10k a year before.....they lost OVER HALF OF THEIR AUDIENCE in a year not by running the town dead like Chicago/Vegas.... But from 1 show to ANOTHER I Gave them 1 year to put on compelling stories, to invest in young talent, to create a reason to keep up with the product.....THEY HAVENT and unfortunately There never will be a 2nd biggest promotion......WWE is a different animal than wrestling, but now WWE is doing wrestling and Story and entertainment and long term plans.....
People doesn't like it because it's cheesy at times and Tony khan.... He's a narcissist... He's only a nice guy when he gets his way and trying to keep people around him he show his true colors if you're on his side
The NBA makes huge revenue, but it also is costing WBD $1.2 billion a year. And with NBC trying to get the right, they would have to pay even more going forward. And the average viewership for an NBA game is only 1.6 million. The NBA might be a money loser with all expenses taken into account.
Some of AEW talent feed Meltzer info/gossip/angles etc and he puts them over and uses their info to seem like he has the inside scoop on wrestling, which is the main selling point for his content. As AEW is the only company he is so heavily hooked into for breaking news, its in his interests to keep pushing AEW. He's selling out so hard though, hopefully he's got the sense to be getting some money from Tony as well.
What makes it second rate is turning it on and seeing an old fat man that looks like that guy from the attitude era, I think his name was Y2J, or something like that.
People drastically underestimate WWE production, especially the NEW production on TV... uhm CM punk walk out a couple weeks ago where the camera 1, no cut, CM punk ask Pierce to ask the guys in the truck to play his music because he has something to say, crowd goes wild, he walks out and that shot looks like its the biggest event in the world, people cheering and chanting...and for the TV audience that looks like something I'd want to be apart of where as.... AEW general is people pop for moves, sometimes, half the time it looks empty and they obviously have great wrestlers. But Jade feels like a bigger star after like 3 matches than the entire womens roster no matter how much they spent on the former Sasha Banks....production and presentation matters
Gee another smart person saying AEW is the shits because it can’t book to save their lives. Is Dutch also bitter and wants a job? Seriously though great clip, agree completely.
Somewhat off topic, but I can't seem to find any way to gamble on pro wrestling matches. Anyone know how, maybe in Las Vegas, Hard Rock, gambling cruise ships, etc?
Every aew match feels like the wrestlers are afraid to take a loss like they need to be almost killed to be pinned. The storylines don't last long enough to enjoy it.
Considering the number of wrestlers that have creative control, that's probably actually true. Nobody is willing to work a match unless it is competitive.
Part of it also is the AEW devoted lost their boogeyman in Vince McMahon, the whole impetus with AEW was being an alternative to Vince's increasingly out of touch style of wrestling. But now Triple H is the captain of the ship and he's steering the WWE back into fair waters and given their fans something gradually learning more and more into what they've wanted again for 25 years. Now AEW look that much more amateurish by comparison. It's been 5 years and they've not grown their audience, they've shrunk their audience. The bloom is off the rose and that company's days are numbered.
In 3 years AEW will lose: Bryan Danielson MJF Ricky Starks Miro Wardlow Chris Jericho Dustin Rhodes Edge Christian Cage Malachi Black Kenny Omega Billy Gunn The Hardy Brothers And I would bet that Adam Cole, Kyle O'Reilly and a lot of those guys would find their way back into WWE at some point in time. I could probably go through the 150 names but that would take too long but once AEW loses these guys it's game over. There will be bankruptcy by 2029
Someone is going to non-scripted question Punk's MMA career backstage, causing a huge fight, ending with the release of CM Punk. That's my picture of things yet to come.
He has basically described wrestling fans that simply hate WWE because it exists and because they have been told everything they do is bad or not as good as what they like by people like Meltzer. So Dave is definitely oblivious that it can work both ways.
It's incredible how much what has been going on in AEW mirrors what happened both in the AWA in 1986/1987, WCW in 1999/2000 and TNA in 2011/2012. I have a world of respect for veterans like Claudio Castagnoli, Edge and Christian Cage and so on, don't get me wrong, but pushing a guy like Edge, who's coming near the end of his career over guys like a Ricky Starks and Miro, who you could and should be building up as your starts for the future, is just repeating the same mistakes over again. What really baffles me though, is the presentation of some of those wrestlers, like with Okada, whose first match in the company could have been built up as a huge deal and probably would have been thought of as such by most wrestling fans, and then he gets sent out there for a throwaway six-man tag against some glorified jobbers for his first match! Or why wrestlers, who get nothing out of winning squash matches, because they're already over with the fans, still get booked in them time and time again! The biggest problem though, as I see it, is Tony's plan of having far too many stables/groups, full of one faceless nobody after another that don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting over, if they're never booked to be more than that.
I don’t know how much it would help but the fact AEW doesn’t have any sort of subscription to see the PPVs or the TV is mind boggling to me. To me that makes it so much easier for people to access. I don’t get being stuck with regular TV and 3 party websites and cable providers to get PPVs.
Even Meltzer and Brian had a whole conversation about the amount of devices they tried to use and couldnt to buy the last one.. like they will talk about the problems and cant connect the dots that what are inconviences to those who have to watch it for their "work", will just not watch it over those same obstacles
If you pay somebody x amount of dollars to do a job, can you pay the person the same amount of money If they don't do the job, then the person becomes lazy and doesn't do anything
Crazy how almost all the former wrestler podcasters are saying the same things about AEW. Dutch here, Bischoff, Cornette, Russo, & Konnan & Disco Inferno all have the same critiques about AEW & I'm sure the veterans in AEW have said the same to Tony Khan & he refuses to listen!
Dave doesn't even realise it is him if is the bucks it is Tony Clown who drove people like Me away. Them lying all the time the little dorks messing with Punk Jericho being delusional are all reasons people like Me don't watch anymore. From day 1 until today they lost over half the initial crowd. Who do you think was watching? Yeaaaah it was US THE AEW HATERS and now we are gone. The aew SWEATHOGS drove us away too.
Plus the bucks and Jericho have pure go-away heat. Every week I hear the viewership, and the segments per every quarter hour, they keep proving people change the channel when they're around. They're way over exposed, and are the biggest contributors to Dynamite getting lower and lower views. It's wild that they're getting under 700k. Tony needs to really wake up and hire real bookers/creative, and step back and let them do their job.
Their interviews only need to last a few seconds, until someone else can interrupt, and create a match for next week or whenever. Happens in an about 85% of interviews, such a tired cliche. Once in a while fine, but it’s legit usually more than once per show
I've never been but going to an AEW show that isn't a PPV must be weird. You're sitting on one side of an arena with other people while the other side across from you is completely empty but when the wrestlers come out and cut promos and such, they face away from you and talk to that empty side because that's where the camera is.
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Funny how Cornette and others went from "irrelevant" to "those guys have mind control"
Or supposedly "out of touch". But what do Jim and Dutch know? They've just been in the business for decades.
@@BulletClub444Lifethere’s a reason why everyone has come around with their way of thinking. Remember when saying “The Young Bucks are not over” was sacrilegious?
The thing is, people are genuinely disappointed at how AEW has turned out. People like Meltzer actively tried to strike people's credibility when they voiced criticism of the product which was completely unnecessary. I fully conceded the tribalism is tiring on both sides but AEW directly at the source encouraged that in the beginning also. They opened themselves up to this. Even if you scroll through these comments, there will inevitably be one AEW fan who just comments back to someone with some sort of insult with an emoji. It's hardly productive. That said, 83 weeks is now just Bischoff shitting on AEW and by his own admission he barely watches the show. Both sides are guilty. At least Cornette for example, watches the show in order to comment.
@@samallex6484 this is exactly the type of response I'm talking about. Just attacking the people involved rather than the points made by the individuals. Even if they want a booking job, which I don't think Jim or Dutch do to be fair. Eric, I'm not sure. But it doesn't suddenly make their opinion invalid. I said Jim watches also, Dutch says he dips in and out. Eric openly stated he barely watches AEW so I equally think him doing sometimes 2 hour videos shitting on AEW is a bit dubious.
@@samallex6484 who’s exactly begging for booking jobs except for Russo?
Khan loves dream matches..like dreams themselves they are forgotten the next day
And Meltzer's ratings too. He gave almost 7 stars to Bryan Danielson vs Ospreay, but I didn't notice people raving about it a week later.
@VanishingWalker see. Because empty crowds and poor ratings over shadow anything aew puts on tv
Meltzer is a legend in his own mind!! He constantly gets things wrong, while Dutch has forgotten more than Meltzer ever knew!! Keep cranking out the great content, Dutch and James!!
My new favorite quote now
"What galaxy is Dave Meltzer sailing around at this point to be this far away reality"
This is great.
That pretty much sums up Dave in every shape and form
Dave Meltzer can’t take AEW criticism because he’s in the inner sanctum. When you’re getting calls from the booker and discussing storylines and strategies with them you have a different context for the product than what viewers are getting on TV. You can no longer be subjective because you can’t see the forest from the trees. Dutch will know this. When you’re part of the problem you can’t identify the problem.
For Dave to criticize AEW, he would have to be willing to criticize his own creative decisions.
AEW is the closest to a company made for him there will ever be, so if it doesn’t succeed then his credibility goes with it. In reality his credibility has already gone, but he doesn’t think so.
He's in the inner sanctum and on the spectrum.
@@warrensloan3467 excellent comment
If all the old school guys were wrong about wrestling and that the modern AEW is the best. Ratings would bear it out. People on the internet who form communities are a niche of a niche. Your general/casual audience are not going to deep dive, or have online discussions. They either watch or they don't.
Dave takes himself way too seriously and has forgotten that in the end he's just another fan.
Khan has enabled him. Meltzer has forgotten how many legends in the business despise him
In a nut shell Meltzer is a nut job
Since the 90's.
He should have been a handjob...
Meltzer is too stupid to see the forest for the trees and he was too stupid to realize that he was being used by the boys & girls in the locker room to get themselves over.
Not to mention, his tongue sticking out that makes him look like a cringe-looking clown lmao
The entire Aew establishment was based on Anti-Vince and Anti-WWE philosophy. WWE entartainment based wrestling is not what wrestling should be, that's now how how promos should be made.
Aew tried to the new 2024 ECW and not WCW. Bunch of indie renegades who wants to go against the established wrestling order. Their wrestling is enterily based on NJPW strong man style which is only popular there in Japan but also looks utterly reckless, dangerous and sometimes sloppy. No wrestling storylines no character sold development but just random throwaway dream matches and routine move set. Their mindset is still stuck at the indie level. And when anybody claps back they absolutely lose their marbels. Because that would prove what they was thought to be as great wrestling can't draw huge rating and ain't popular amongst casual fans. So their little hardcore base attacks Aew detractors and any fans criticising Aew. They can't admit they are actually wrong.
WWE handed anybody with money and some mind for the business a golden opportunity. The WWE product was almost at an all time low between 2017 and 2019. That was basically the perfect window to have another promotion with mainstream appeal. Because of that there was an incredible amount of goodwill towards AEW from it's inception. But since it's apparent Tony Khan refuses to accept valid criticism and wants to have an indie-riffic product that mostly satisfies himself, more and more people tuned out. You can't have that a product that only attractes a niche audience and expect it to grow.
"They wanted to be ECW!" And yet, Paul E. for all his many faults, did much more with so much less than Tony Khan.
Strong style looks so stupid to me. The idea of wrestling is trying to make something that doesn't hurt look painful. The Strong Style guys seem to owe more to masochism than to working. It's not about being a good fighter, it's pretending that stuff that actual hurts doesn't. They'll stand there and let the opponent hit them, they'll try to take as many finishers as they can which diminish the moves...
The only problem is ECW developed stars people cared about (Sandman, Sabu, Raven, New Jack) and mixed in a bunch of veterans they used properly (Bam Bam, Funk, Candido) and employed passionate broadcaster to get it all over (Styles) all while cultivating a actual fan base and did it in a era where the top two promotions at the time were stale and did nothing but book horrible cartoon wrestling.
It’s apples and oranges in my opinion as to watch a AEW program in 2024 is drudgery. Horrible booking, no storylines, no one I really care about and being called by a goof in a fucking mask.
Very good post.
@@neilbiggs1353 yes
I've never seen a more thin-skinned fan base than AEW's.
Dallas Cowboys fans.
@amicooke1790 I'd venture to guess they'd be insulted by your comparison... I don't know for sure, but AEW's echo chamber could fit 12 of the DC's echo chamber and still have room for an asteroid.
@@VeryStupid4547I think you phrased that backward, considering Dallas can consistently draw 60,000 every week.
I just like watching wrestling so I pretty much watch it all. TNA is my favorite weekly show on TV, WWE is kinda slipping for me and I only watch AEW for the talent at this point. I don't get why people can't just enjoy it and appreciate that there's more wrestling to watch. It's all fucking cringe when you boil it all down, so what's the big deal?
@@nomadlurks I wouldn't say all of it is cringe. The Bloodline storyline is pretty interesting. TNA is better than it's been for a LONG time. MLW was my favorite promotion before Jacob Fatu & Alexander Hammerstone left. I can relate to you watching AEW more for the talent and the quality match here & there, but it's more abysmal than ever. I'd shit on The Elite storyline, but it would be like shitting on... shit. If Punk can manage to not get injured immediately upon his return, Raw has a chance to be consistently good.
The light is low and the angles are fewer on the AEW shows because they don't want to show that there are so few fans.
If they booked smaller venues so they looked full, it would improve the atmosphere
Yes, the same thing WWE has done when they were in slumps over the years. It’s a standard production technique.
A couple weeks ago, I decided to test the whole idea that "Oh, people just hate AEW cause they listen to people who tell them to hate AEW" thing.
Cause I haven't watched AEW regularly since it's first three or so months on air, aside from tuning in for the odd MJF or Punk, when he was there, segment. I only really see clips, or listen to Jim Cornette's reviews otherwise. So I figured, hey, I'll give them a shot. So I can say, with certainty, that if I hate AEW, it is because *I* hate AEW.
And the episode I tuned into was the episode where The Bucks and Perry and Okada attacked Tony. I was already tapped out two minutes in with the opening segment of the Bucks and their cronies walking in, then an Orange Cassidy segment opened the show, but it just kept getting worse. The incomprehensible Sasha Banks segment where no one seemed to know how to cut a promo, the interminable match between supposed main guy Swerve and the pale giant job guy, Moxley... being Jon Moxley, it's an awful tv program.
So, no, Dave. I don't hate AEW cause I feel a need to defend the WWE. I don't hate it cause it's "different." I don't hate it cause I listen to people who also hate AEW. I hate AEW because it is offensive to *my* sensibilities, not just as a lifelong wrestling fan, but to *my* sensibilities as someone who just likes good television. It is insulting, amateur hour nonsense tv, made by unserious people, who just expect me to love them causr I'm apparently supposed to in their delusional little fantasy land where they think that they and their friends are the best thing to happen to wrestling since the Gold Dust Trio.
'Clearly you're a hater', 'WWE did Katie Vick', 'uhmm did you not see wembley' 😂😂😂😂😂
Anything other than to take accountability for their bad product. They do the same things over and over that drive people away. They should try a smiliar experiment, put out a few good episodes and see what the numbers and critics do.
The real reason Dave thinks this is because the majority of die hard AEW fans have been convinced my Dave Meltzer that this is the future of wrestling... for him to admit that people form their own opinion, would undermine his own ego.
AEW pissed away the goodwill it had when it first started, honeymoon phase is over, bloom is off the rose
Aew does not have one wrestler at the moment that is over to the main stream public . Daniel bryan has pretty much flushed any star power he had down the toilet . That edge guy was pretty popular but man that copeland guy just aint got it
And yet Tony is trying hard to push Orange Cassidy and Riho. Which isn’t working.
Mercedes must not exist anymore
@@slimeosamaMercedeces was never a mainstream star lmfao. Any stardom or mainstream exposure Mercedes Varnado go was because SASHA BANKS was popular and had the WWE machine and snoop dog connection. Mercedes Mone means less than nothing and has been beyond exposed since she debuted in aew..utterly AWFUL actor whose beyond cringe.
@@stephenjones1488 Just irrational hatred lmao. This is what ole Dave was talking about. Nobody is a star to you unless they are in WWE, you won't even acknowledge mercedes who has like 10 million followers on all her socials. That's the derangement syndrome
MJF. Omega. Toni Storm.
AEW Derangement Syndrome lol
I know. Grown people triggered over someone pointing out flaws with a product
I turned to AEW as an alternative when it first started because it was a breath of fresh air and something different because at that time back in 2019, WWE wasn’t really good and AEW was exciting but then through the next 3 years, i was losing interest due to the lack of story telling and yes, the wrestling part of it is amazing but it wasn’t enough do to the lack of story and I think WWE was learning from its flaws and got better as a product.
The people being left off tv aren’t friends with the Bucks
Or the roster has simply become too big
Listening to Dave tap dance while he has to explain his star rating system and how he favors one promotion over the other is hilarious.
Looking at the fluctuations in quarterly viewership through the shows, and overall decline in aew ratings, it amuses me when the aew trolls tell me I should be watching. YOU CAN'T EVEN SIT THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR OWN SHOWS!
So why should anyone else? They're hypocrites, they say one thing and do another.
I listen to Cornette as well as Dutch, and the funny thing is that if you pay attention to the quarter rating breakdown, it's clear that it's certain wrestlers that are driving people away, like the Bucks, Orange Cassidy, and Jericho.
I tried to get AEW tickets for milwaukee, the price was almost double then WWE. As a single dad they're priced out of my comfort zone. My daughters love WWE, the product is not family friendly.
How about AEW just has bad wrestling with no storylines. Plus it's ran by a Mark that has no clue about the wrestling business.
The wrestling is good. It's just that it's pointless and you forget about them because there's no reason for the matches. No story being told why we should care.
Then why don't you WWE marks like any company? You aren't real wrestling fans.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 You think AEW is real wrestling? AEW marks are hilarious always thinking you know what is and isn't real wrestling lol. I watch and enjoy AEW (well sort of enjoy it for the most part) btw, it's just you AEW marks are a silly bunch. You give wrestling fans a bad name with your nonsense. Let people criticise AEW without crying about it just once FFS. Tony Khan doesn't pay you to stick up for AEW, so why do it?
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 I can't stand RAW half the time and shut it off and go to bed. Smackdown is the only interesting show most of the time, because of these crazy things called storylines.
I guess I am the only fan who doesn't want AEW to burn to the ground. As good as WWE has been under HHH leadership, I do not want a WWE monopoly again.
I don’t want them to die either, I just want AEW to get better and honestly I don’t think it ever will with Tony running things, it’s his baby so he’ll never give up control of it to someone else
Most people don’t want it to die, they just want a better product. Ultimately though Khan is funding it and is putting on a show for himself
Yea, there is not a single person demanding AEW shuts down. If they hated that bad, it's really easy to not acknowledge the show. Everyone that criticizes AEW just wants it to be good and make good on the promises and the hope it gave us when it started.
The guys that are being left off TV are the ones who used to hang out with Cody a lot. That was the one person Tony Khan couldn't afford to let go. Cody was the actual veteran in the locker room that all the young talent looked up to and went to for advice. Just speculating here but if they went to Cody every time they had a problem or were dissatisfied with their creative in the past. Then who would they have the confidence to approach with their concerns now that he's gone?
Dave cant handle the fact that wrestling the way he wants it is hated by 95% of the country
The problem is he's pot committed at this point. If he concedes AEW is the issue, then he's essentially saying the style that he's championed for the past 30 years is inferior. He's way too invested on a personal level.
More than 99% of the country doesn't know who he is. And if they knew Dave, they'd hate him.
More like 99.5%
Dutch is a 100% correct
You guys are gonna become the newest most popular podcast if the people at jim cornette experience keep delaying their episodes every week
😂
I think Dutch Mantell and Jim Cornette are the only two most reliable podcast for wrestling. I listen to Keepin It 100and Eric Bischoff's 83 weeks but Dutch Mantell and Jimmy have more grounded knowledge overall.
@@ChrisJericho22what about Kliq This by Kevin Nash?
I think corny purposely delays uploading of videos by 2 - 3 days or more so he can collect more information. No matter what he says he's going to get a backlash not that he cares but it's what it's. It's also amusing he's the only who is giving Aew the right feedback and aew talent, booker and fans doesn't want to accept it. Recently Samantha Irvin got massive backlash on twitter by Aew fan boy cult because corny praised her work.
@@extremeking425 I have never listened to Nash...So I don't really know.
Odd, it wasn't derangement syndrome when wwe was criticized for years, it was justified constructive criticism...Mike Johnsons opinion he read is accurate, Dave's dream come true and validates him for aew to succeed.
@@chuckles9767 They're woke idiots, which is funny since the Bucks support Trump which is like the only modern anti-woke politician in modern history.
Cornette HATES Trump, but is more or less the Trump of the wrestling world in terms of reputation and how he's treated.
Cornette gets blamed for every little comment and joke which always get taken out of context but just wants to make the wrestling world great again (though I think he's given up on actually achieving that so he just talks about it).
The Bucks and their buddies support Trump but are little sensitive sissies that need to be praised only.
Dutch mantel basically said what I've been saying, Independent show with a budget
The other problem with today’s wrestling (and actually for awhile now) is the guaranteed contracts. Wrestling worked back in the day because it’s a performance based profession. You should be paid on what you bring in. That way, the guys are inclined to perform better to get a bigger payout. They’re essentially salespeople. If you didn’t pay a salesperson a commission and just guaranteed them money, why would they even really care to go out and sell your product? They’d be getting paid regardless if they sell one unit or a thousand. You have to incentivize them.
Every time I criticize AEW, people call me a WWE trialist. I don't even watch WWE. The fact is, wrestling is about people having a conflict and resolving it physically. It's not just people senselessly beating each other down. And, you need a good reason to want to fight someone. AEW would have you believe that people just look at you funny and then there's a throw down that's so drastic that you'd throw yourself off of a 30 foot drop. Just because they looked at you funny? You need a real reason to fight someone. They tell me, "If you want a story, go to WWE. We're here for the action and we want to see who is going to win." It's not real! If you want to see who's going to win, based on what a writer chose in the back, then how simple minded are you? I'd forgive AEW if they would lean further into it being a fake sport. For example, they have their win/lose record. And, they have contendership. Take it to the next level and make this fake prize fighting. Bring back the "pay window". Or, have wrestlers compete for cars and vacation trips like it's next level American Gladiators or boxing. Then you wouldn't need a plot. If you're going to bring out glass and tacks, then I need to believe that these people have a real reason to want to maim each other, not because it's a random Wednesday. If I wanted to watch people hurting each other, I'd watch MMA or boxing. AEW's pain is real enough anyways, throwing a dude who was hit by a literal bus back in action and having the longest injury list in history. Might as well bring back Brawl For All.
AEW is often disappointing, but it’s still good that there is a paycheck for lots of wrestlers. That’s about the only positive I can think of …
… back to the disappointment…
This bizarre mindset that AEW should be immune from criticism, or that no one could watch their show and not be impressed turns more people off than anything else.
I’ve tried to watch AEW several weeks in a row and literally everytime Ive turned it on I see an out shape, out of breath Chris Jericho, followed by a segment where Kris Statlander is being told to stay backstage…. talk about “go away heat”
I remember seeing Jericho win the title and thought he'd start getting in better shape to carry it better and be the face of the company. Ha!
Dutch "The Voice Of Reason" Mantell.
No one looks like a star is right😂😂😂
Ohh i dont know. Swerve Strickland and Somoa Joe look like stars.
@@robpettigrew3308 Stickland is definitely not a star. Joe is not a star in that company if he’s losing to a jabroni like swerve🤦🏻♂️
Dutch hit the nail on the head
AEW: Arena Emptying Wresrlinv
I don't like AEW in general but i like it even less when you see the quality of people it attracts
What a mark thing to say
@@nomadlurks ☝️case in point
The AEW fans that attend their shows look like they can't talk to women at all and don't like to take showers at all.
There are whack jobs in every fandom to ever exist. That’s the least viable reason to dislike AEW.
@@iNsAnEwBiE Yeah and? AEW's fandom is more toxic than most.
AEW has little continuity... Random trios teams that make you think why? Then guys running in to help with little connection to the person getting a beat down. They need a plan... Set out a story and stick with it for longer than two weeks.
Tony has ADHD that's why it's all over the place.
I just wish that Tony Khan would give the booking of the show to somebody else because his booking is terrible. The fact that he books four shows including ROH shows that it's a lot of work for one person.
Tony Khan, Meltzer and the Bucks are the worst thing for AEW
I have tried many times to watch AEW,because i love wrestling.But the simple fact is that the product they are producing is just absolutely awful.
You know for context, "AEW Derangement Syndrome" is derived from the term "Punk Derangement Syndrome" which a twitter user coined for those kind of people that are so obsessed with hating CM Punk that they spent more time a day thinking about him than Punk fans do ("Punk Derangement Syndrome (PDS) is a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike of CM Punk to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason"). So I think the question is not "why do people dislike AEW" but "why are some people constantly in the comment sections of every AEW related tweet shitting on AEW and bringing it up all the time."
I'm a wrestling fan from way back. I've watched WWF/WWE, WCW, TNA, New Japan etc and I used to watch AEW but every time I switch it on now all I see is a wrestling company shitting the bed.
AEW has many issues but I agree with Dutch on the production. It looks low budget, sounds low budget and that makes a new viewer think of it as low budget.
Just because TNT doesn't have the NBA doesn't mean it's a good thing for AEW. AEW's numbers are so that TNT could put re-runs of any major show over the last 30 years that they have the rights to and they'd get at least a million viewers which is better than what AEW gets. Warnee Discovery will absolutely find something to replace those AEW time slots it might re-runs of old shows first but they will find something to fill that time with and chances are it will get better numbers than AEW and it might cost them less than paying for AEW. I hate to say it I really do but the writing has been on the wall for a while now.
Tony Kahn will spend $100 million on wrestling talent but he can't spend 50 bucks on production. Lucha Underground had better production than any other small promotion had in the last 20 years. They need to just hire that team.
Always nice to see another person who appreciates the greatness that was Lucha Underground. It was fascinating to see pro wrestling presented in a different context. Most promotions present themselves as a more colorful version of a legit combat promotion but Lucha Underground went in a completely different direction. They basically combined two of my favorite things: pro wrestling and superheroes.
If I'm WBD & I can't keep the NBA, then I am rebranding my network and taking that 3 billion and I am going to invest in some high quality movies and television. My network will look completely different in 2 years. I'm going to go with the trends and put out some Game of thrones type stuff.
I don't hate AEW, I dislike it. I dislike it, because it's bad. I dislike it because it is bad and I wanted it to be good.
Wait a sec was rockstar inspired by this Dutch for their character in red dead redemption with the same name ? Or did he voice it ?
lol no
How dare you say "aew are missing adam cole" like he would do anything to improve the ratings or show lol
I gave AEW a shot. I watched for about the first year and half or so but their lack of builds/storytelling, lack of selling, and many other things just made me not bother watching. Dave is crazy.
Dutch is far nicer than Cornette, but just as direct.
i have been watching AEW since day 1. AEW has caused me to watch the show and not enjoy it. The fact that Dave says people cant think for themselves is just ridiculous. Basically he is saying people are stupid
NXT films in a darkly light studio in front of a small audience-but they still manage to get it right. It’s a small location but it’s packed and the audience are super into what they are seeing, it’s very rare to have moments of dead silence. Even when it’s not full, they have it light in the just right places so you don’t see empty sections and your eyes are drawn to the action. AEW’s whole approach to production is half assed.
"Some other nefarious power out there..." 🤣
I now have the picture in my head of twp robed and cloaked figures removing the hood to reveal Dutch and Corny!!!
Dutch : "It us Tony! It's us Tony! It was us all along Tony!"
Corny: "Yeah you Mother&%*%ing Mark!"
Life long wrestling fan
Started watching AEW when danhausen Appeared
He was Hurt so I decided let's still go to the show and keep up and by the time he's healed ill be invested in the Characters, the story's and some matches would be great
Except
Danhausen was used less than 5 times
Asked for a return to the indys
The one storyline they had for the year both people got injured MJF/Cole so it couldn't finish, then we go to 2024
AEW announces another show in winnipeg and I went "Well they did 10k last time I can't wait to see a full building again"
Then danhausen was booked for Defy/GCW the week of the show and I went "Yea not
going".....then I decided to check the AVAILABLE tickets and there was 4.5k available around for a 12k venue.....when they did 10k a year before.....they lost OVER HALF OF THEIR AUDIENCE in a year not by running the town dead like Chicago/Vegas....
But from 1 show to ANOTHER
I Gave them 1 year to put on compelling stories, to invest in young talent, to create a reason to keep up with the product.....THEY HAVENT and unfortunately There never will be a 2nd biggest promotion......WWE is a different animal than wrestling, but now WWE is doing wrestling and Story and entertainment and long term plans.....
People doesn't like it because it's cheesy at times and Tony khan.... He's a narcissist... He's only a nice guy when he gets his way and trying to keep people around him he show his true colors if you're on his side
Losing NBA isnt good for WBD or AEW.
NBA has to be a huge ad revenue genrator. Less ad revenue means less cash flow to pay AEW with.
The NBA makes huge revenue, but it also is costing WBD $1.2 billion a year. And with NBC trying to get the right, they would have to pay even more going forward. And the average viewership for an NBA game is only 1.6 million. The NBA might be a money loser with all expenses taken into account.
Some of AEW talent feed Meltzer info/gossip/angles etc and he puts them over and uses their info to seem like he has the inside scoop on wrestling, which is the main selling point for his content. As AEW is the only company he is so heavily hooked into for breaking news, its in his interests to keep pushing AEW. He's selling out so hard though, hopefully he's got the sense to be getting some money from Tony as well.
Dave has worked himself into a meme of himself. He actually thinks he is part of the business
Tony Kahn is another Herb Abrams. He thinks that if something entertains him that all other fans will like it
complete with the ole booger sugar
Tony Khan disliked Starks being at Wrestlemania. Guaranteed. Views him as a traitor.
0:40 so he basically described himself, huh?
He is so delusional it's beyond ridiculous.
What makes it second rate is turning it on and seeing an old fat man that looks like that guy from the attitude era, I think his name was Y2J, or something like that.
People drastically underestimate WWE production, especially the NEW production on TV... uhm CM punk walk out a couple weeks ago where the camera 1, no cut, CM punk ask Pierce to ask the guys in the truck to play his music because he has something to say, crowd goes wild, he walks out and that shot looks like its the biggest event in the world, people cheering and chanting...and for the TV audience that looks like something I'd want to be apart of where as.... AEW general is people pop for moves, sometimes, half the time it looks empty and they obviously have great wrestlers. But Jade feels like a bigger star after like 3 matches than the entire womens roster no matter how much they spent on the former Sasha Banks....production and presentation matters
4:44 It's called a 24/7 Universe Mode 😌. It's all he knows💁🏽♂️
Gee another smart person saying AEW is the shits because it can’t book to save their lives. Is Dutch also bitter and wants a job? Seriously though great clip, agree completely.
This podcast is lit better then AEW lol
Dave still thinks AEW is great and that we are just watching the program wrong.
Its like it hasnt occured to uncle Dave that many of us just dont find AEW to be entertaining and dont enjoy watching it.
If Dubbalos and the company worked even HALF as hard at taking criticism as they do at trying to stifle it, people wouldn't have a reason to complain.
He used his *inherited* money. Not that different from a bartender who gives away free drinks
Most AEW can't take criticism of AEW.
Somewhat off topic, but I can't seem to find any way to gamble on pro wrestling matches. Anyone know how, maybe in Las Vegas, Hard Rock, gambling cruise ships, etc?
Every aew match feels like the wrestlers are afraid to take a loss like they need to be almost killed to be pinned. The storylines don't last long enough to enjoy it.
Considering the number of wrestlers that have creative control, that's probably actually true. Nobody is willing to work a match unless it is competitive.
I like Sammy and Ricky figures Tony doesnt have tv time for them !
Thinking that AEW can replace the NBA is peak delusion.
Still trying to figure out why we still going a 💩 what Dave Meltzer has to say
I think some of the “hatred” came from the anger stemming from disappointment in what could’ve been.
Btw rumor is ricky starks contract is up soon maybe june . Maybe tk knows he is wwe bound
He's often seen back stage in WWE.
MJF is the only guy in AEW who I can categorically say looks like a star. At a push Ospreay too.
Part of it also is the AEW devoted lost their boogeyman in Vince McMahon, the whole impetus with AEW was being an alternative to Vince's increasingly out of touch style of wrestling. But now Triple H is the captain of the ship and he's steering the WWE back into fair waters and given their fans something gradually learning more and more into what they've wanted again for 25 years. Now AEW look that much more amateurish by comparison. It's been 5 years and they've not grown their audience, they've shrunk their audience. The bloom is off the rose and that company's days are numbered.
The rise of AEW got me back into watching wrestling on a regular basis. But I seldom watch it now. Back booking is the main reason. Simple as that.
In 3 years AEW will lose:
Bryan Danielson
MJF
Ricky Starks
Miro
Wardlow
Chris Jericho
Dustin Rhodes
Edge
Christian Cage
Malachi Black
Kenny Omega
Billy Gunn
The Hardy Brothers
And I would bet that Adam Cole, Kyle O'Reilly and a lot of those guys would find their way back into WWE at some point in time. I could probably go through the 150 names but that would take too long but once AEW loses these guys it's game over. There will be bankruptcy by 2029
I hate AEW because the product sucks. That is Tony's fault.
Someone is going to non-scripted question Punk's MMA career backstage, causing a huge fight, ending with the release of CM Punk. That's my picture of things yet to come.
He has basically described wrestling fans that simply hate WWE because it exists and because they have been told everything they do is bad or not as good as what they like by people like Meltzer. So Dave is definitely oblivious that it can work both ways.
It's incredible how much what has been going on in AEW mirrors what happened both in the AWA in 1986/1987, WCW in 1999/2000 and TNA in 2011/2012. I have a world of respect for veterans like Claudio Castagnoli, Edge and Christian Cage and so on, don't get me wrong, but pushing a guy like Edge, who's coming near the end of his career over guys like a Ricky Starks and Miro, who you could and should be building up as your starts for the future, is just repeating the same mistakes over again. What really baffles me though, is the presentation of some of those wrestlers, like with Okada, whose first match in the company could have been built up as a huge deal and probably would have been thought of as such by most wrestling fans, and then he gets sent out there for a throwaway six-man tag against some glorified jobbers for his first match! Or why wrestlers, who get nothing out of winning squash matches, because they're already over with the fans, still get booked in them time and time again! The biggest problem though, as I see it, is Tony's plan of having far too many stables/groups, full of one faceless nobody after another that don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting over, if they're never booked to be more than that.
I don’t know how much it would help but the fact AEW doesn’t have any sort of subscription to see the PPVs or the TV is mind boggling to me. To me that makes it so much easier for people to access. I don’t get being stuck with regular TV and 3 party websites and cable providers to get PPVs.
Even Meltzer and Brian had a whole conversation about the amount of devices they tried to use and couldnt to buy the last one.. like they will talk about the problems and cant connect the dots that what are inconviences to those who have to watch it for their "work", will just not watch it over those same obstacles
If you pay somebody x amount of dollars to do a job, can you pay the person the same amount of money If they don't do the job, then the person becomes lazy and doesn't do anything
Crazy how almost all the former wrestler podcasters are saying the same things about AEW. Dutch here, Bischoff, Cornette, Russo, & Konnan & Disco Inferno all have the same critiques about AEW & I'm sure the veterans in AEW have said the same to Tony Khan & he refuses to listen!
Dave doesn't even realise it is him if is the bucks it is Tony Clown who drove people like Me away. Them lying all the time the little dorks messing with Punk Jericho being delusional are all reasons people like Me don't watch anymore. From day 1 until today they lost over half the initial crowd. Who do you think was watching? Yeaaaah it was US THE AEW HATERS and now we are gone. The aew SWEATHOGS drove us away too.
Plus the bucks and Jericho have pure go-away heat. Every week I hear the viewership, and the segments per every quarter hour, they keep proving people change the channel when they're around. They're way over exposed, and are the biggest contributors to Dynamite getting lower and lower views. It's wild that they're getting under 700k. Tony needs to really wake up and hire real bookers/creative, and step back and let them do their job.
I dont think Dutch will ever get enough credit for giving TNA the best womans division in american wrestling
Their interviews only need to last a few seconds, until someone else can interrupt, and create a match for next week or whenever. Happens in an about 85% of interviews, such a tired cliche. Once in a while fine, but it’s legit usually more than once per show
I've never been but going to an AEW show that isn't a PPV must be weird. You're sitting on one side of an arena with other people while the other side across from you is completely empty but when the wrestlers come out and cut promos and such, they face away from you and talk to that empty side because that's where the camera is.
Tony K didn't even know one of his top tier stars was injured that explains a lot 🙄
Dave: People who hate AEW miss the old days.
James: that’s un true
Dutch: it’s not like the old days 😂
Dave is a mental case