MyEnergi App Walkthrough and Data Collection Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video we check out the new MyEnergi App. The new app which communicates with the MyEnergi Hub allows you to remotely control your Eddi and Zappi devices as well as giving you access to real time and historical generation and consumption data (depending on CT clamps installed).
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Thanks for video, cleared up a few points for me, agree it is slow to respond but useful. One problem I have that I have to unlock and re-lock my car before I can change the charging mode, can't think this is right but maybe the car!
Sounds like how your car interacts with the charging interface. If you say what car you have others may be able to share their experience.
I have the same effect with my Golf GTE.
Thanks Dale, very useful and agree with your thoughts on the positives and areas for improvement.
I thought the final section where you did the comparison figures was interesting. I've started looking at this too, especially the import/export readings from the grid from my new smart meter readings installed on 19th July. There's a major variance between the meter reading and the Tesla app. From grid 0.2kWh (app), meter 3.39kWh. I need to install a couple of CT clamps to the Harvi (job for this weekend) to be able to compare all three figures. I wondered if you've looked at your meter readings; import/export figures to see how they compare to the values you are collecting?
yes and no regarding looking at the meter. I looked at them when I had the system installed and for a few weeks after, but noted what the software said and what the grid and generation meters was quite different. So now I only look at those for billing, but use SolarEdge for ease and consistency (ie consistently x % off).
Great video, not many people doing videos on the hub. App little but slow for us too but great promise for the future. Could you do a video sometime in the future on the difference between kW vs kWh.
Thanks for the video feedback. I will make a note to provide some explanation on the kW vs kWh difference for interpretation.
KW is the rate of using electricity whereas KWh is the amount used. Bit like comparing speed with distance.
I’ve about the same setup as you all be it that my solar array is slightly smaller. What I find with this app, and I’ve noted other also, is it very clunky, not the best and certainly the slowest app I’ve got. Hopefully over the next few months myenergi will get to grips with it and iron out the creases, metaphorically speaking!as it can be a little frustrating to say the least. On the positive side it’s great to have the info to hand although it’s not always the same as my SolarEdge apps info but I’ve put that down to myenergi’s slower updates. Onwards and upwards 🤞🏻Colin.
Oh, I agree with you about updates, that at the mo is a real pain especially as we’re not told about them via email but have to check each time though the forum, that up until a few weeks ago I new nothing about. In short the sooner we get auto updates the better.
Yeah, I put it down to being early days. I think if you have other apps right now you will use them unless you want to adjust timing or boost something. However, if you have nothing even a clunkly solution is better than none.
Gosh I'm so glad the app is faster these days!
Deffo faster, but sadly no new features.
What has surprised me a bit is that there is no on line manual for the app. I’ve had to mess around a bit to find what it’s all about. What. Have found great is the tank 2 in Eddi , I’ve wired I to two elements that I’ve fitted into our existing towel rail on our heating circuit. They are just 600watts each and heat the towel rails with any surplus energy.. My next job is a split air con that can run of the solar or Powerwall when it’s to hot.
Yeah, the app was rushed to allow people to still get the grant and class the Zappi as a "smart device".
Nice work on the 2nd wiring, I have nothing close by to utilise it in my house.
Thanks Dale,
Your video was very useful. I am also on the Octopus energy Go tariff and usually charge my car( Renault Zoe)at night from 00:30 for four hours. The Zoe has a setting called "postponed charging" which I set in the car and then set the Zappi to Fast charge either on the Zappi itself or via the app. This seems to work fine but I'm wondering if it would be better to use the scheduled boost with the Eco+ mode. If I were to do this, should I set the Zoe setting to "Immediate" charge or "Postponed Charge"?
I would use the scheduled boost myself, I don't have a Zoe but would say immediate would be best and then it will get the supply when the Zappi starts charging.
Hi Dale, with the Myenergi hub can you choose which device gets priority on export. As in can you set the zappi charger to have priority on exporting power if a car is plugged in over the the Eddy if the immersion cylinder is cold. Great video by the way.
This isn't done on the MyEnergi hub (this is pretty much a dumb terminal), but you set the priority on the MyEnergi Eddi / Zappi itself.
So I have mine setup so Zappi has priority over the Eddi, so car chargers first then hot water.
Good vids, many thanks. Interested to know how you got the battery icon on your Myenergi app. I seem to be missing that, is that due to a configuration issue within the Eddi? Hopefully will be getting my first next-gen Zappi installed next week.
Hi Avais. I have a CT clamp connected on my live battery connection. This is how the MyEnergi Harvi knows I have a battery and can share that info.
@@SpectrumGeeks interesting ... I added a third CT clamp on the live wire of the battery pack, but the icon for the battery pack does not appear on the display. do you think I should redo the installation in the app? could you please take pictures of how you configured the ct clamp in the zappi menu? thank you so much
@@CristianoGardoni I am can't get to my config right now, but i will try to remember to take a look when I can and let you know. Before re-installing the app I would check that the Zappi is seeing the battery info, as the hub itself is dumb.
@@SpectrumGeeks tnx for the quick replay... after asking my question, I realized that I had simply selected "storage only" instead of "ac battery" in the Zappi's menu ... after I set the right parameters, the icon appeared without having to re-install the application ... thanks a lot anyway for your interest in my problem ...
Excellent, glad you got it sorted.
Hey, I have the Zappi 2.1 (integrated Hub) and a Harvi, quite new. But I dont get any Consumption Charts, is that right? Do I just get the informations about the Zappi and nothing about the grit and my household? Even with the Harvi?
You will need the additional CT clamps connected to the Harvi for the grid as well as the Zappi to be able to also see your house consumption.
Very useful video, Dale, thank you. I have my solar panels installed less than a week and couldn't take in all the installer said when he was explaining the Myenergi app.
On the app screen, and with reference to the hot water icon, what do the tick, the double II, the tree and the 'play' symbols alongside the icon mean?
Paul Kennedy
Dublin
The double II is a pause icon, showing that the Eddi is not currently active.
The leaf if you are talking about the middle icon shows how much of the energy is green (ie from solar).
From memory (I don't use the app much) means the activity is complete. So for the Eddi the water has heated to the set temperature.
Thank you, Dale, for the prompt reply.
That makes sense but the one that really puzzles me is the 'play' icon (a triangle rotated once to the right) in the tiny circle that's attached to the hot water icon - similar to the play button on TH-cam. @@SpectrumGeeks
@@kennedypaulfThe play icon indicates the device is active / doing something. So in the case of the Eddi you will see the play button when water is heating from solar, or on a boost charge from the grid.
Thank you, Dale.
@@SpectrumGeeks
Hi Dave my daughter has just moved into a new electric house and her myenergy keeps saying waiting for surplus what does that mean, how does she work it help would be much appreciated, she has just downloaded the app as well, look forward to your reply
I appreciate the app review.
Out of curiosity are you using a regular electric water heater or a heat pump water heater?
Is the variance between the two apps something to consider further when comparing this with the electric bill?
Hi Eric, I am using a regular electric immersion heater in a water tank.
I find the MyEnergi app incredible unreliable and inaccurate currently, so only use it to adjust settings of MyEnergi devices now.
Spectrum Geeks I have found that changing to a water heater with a heat pump could save up to two thirds of the energy compared to a regular electric heater:
th-cam.com/video/Jk6D_D7naOY/w-d-xo.html
The above video is kind of interesting since it was done by a full time off grid guy, Steve, and it proves the reliability of these devices in this type of setting. He and his wife, also, use an electric car, and they use batteries to store energy.
With regards to the inaccuracies of the app, do you think this might be related to the CT used by the app, or could this be an algorithm thing?
Hi Dale, it’s interesting seeing your comparison between you three systems. My Solar Inverter is made by Afore the data it collects is limited but my Battery storage is Alpha-ESS and my newly installed Zappi, Hub and Harvi set up is looking good although the response time and accuracy varies. I did not get the Eddie as I already had an early version i -Boost which does not have an App. If it ever fails I’ll probably replace it with an Eddie to make the whole system more efficient.
I’ve got an AirTurb (wind turbine) on order which will hopefully generate around 600w and I will add a CT directly into the Zappi which is just 2 or 3 metres away from where I’ll be mounting the turbine. It’s all been a great experience and if I ever get around to my dream of a new self build eco house, I will put all my new knowledge and experience to good use and maybe even make my own TH-cam video about it all.
Keep the good stuff coming.
Myke
Thanks for sharing Myke. Interested to hear more about the AirTurb, how does that connect into your house energy setup?
@@SpectrumGeeks Hi again Dale, the AirTurb is from Holland (the home of the Wind Mills) but it is a vertical two bladed turbine that stands about 1.2m tall and 0.4m in diameter standing on a base of 4 square solar panels that also act as ballast. They start up at very low wind speeds and need no more than 5m/s (11 mph) for the maximum output of 600watts. It has an over speed protection (electric brake) and has a AC inverter so it then connects straight into your consumer unit or as I will be mounting it on the roof of my free standing garage I will tie it into the garage consumer unit and as my new Zappi will be directly below it I will hard wire a CT directly into one of the spare Zappi inputs rather than buying another Harvi.
After charging my battery storage and Tesla on my off peak 02.00 - 06.00 and the solar kept the batteries fully charged to 17.00 so from now on I think that the solar will keep my Tesla and my wife’s Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV topped up and once the AirTurb is up and running it will be almost like being “Off grid”.
Next project will be Rain Water harvesting. 😺
@@SpectrumGeeks The give energi App will treat the input from the AirTurb CT clamp in a similar way as it would a second set of Solar panels.
@@mykehoole5787 Very nice it has built in inverter. I will have to look into this, been thinking about wind for ages.
@@SpectrumGeeks I know it’s expensive but it looks like a quality product and It will produce power all year, especially at times when Solar generation is low or zero.
The installation is simple and if we move, it’s easy to take with us.
With software updates since you made the video have you found the app more responsive?
Hey Steve, there have been updates and it has improved responsiveness, but its not an app I consider reliable (mainly as I have the SolarEdge and Tesla App). It is a little inconsistent, and doesn't always function reliably in my experience. Its better than nothing though for sure.
Hey man, good video. However, try not to say kWh when you mean kW. You've no idea how much it confuses a chap with a morning head...
Heh appologies Barry. I caught myself out on that and another viewer mentioned it also. Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment.
Wish there was a CT for DC. A to measure battery’s status etc.
Sadly its more difficult with the DC coupled batteries to see the info with something like this.
@@SpectrumGeeks for sure. MyEnergi would need to have some sort of RJ45 enabled device that’s connected to the BMS.. don’t think they’re interested in going that route anyway.
Did you consider comparing all with your monitor that came with your Octopus 🐙 smart meter and the Octopus app. to see which is more accurate, as well as the FIT meter.
I put that "smart" meter in the cupboard as found it not that great, as the tariffs did no sync correctly. Over the many months now I have the MyEnergi app readings to be terrbily inaccurate, so only use it it boost the water, as its not that reliable at changing zappi charging modes either now.
Just out of interest have you compared the "grid consumption" figures the Myenergi app gives with your bill? I assume if you're on Octopus's "EV user" tariff that you've taken the smart-meter option. Any sign of problems with accuracy of readings?
Yeah, its not accurate.
I have compared the MyEnergi (least accurate in my experience) to the Tesla App and SolarEdge, all give different readings.
For convience I use the SolarEdge app for my readings as they are closest (probably as it has a powered CT clamp vs passive like the MyEnergi and the Tesla.
In some ways though, it doesnt matter if its not accurate, as long as its consistent with its inaccuracy, as just provides a more simple way to keep track of things at a high level.
Hmm. The MyE shows a lot lower than our existing clamp=meter doodad. But that was cheap as chips so I suspect the MyE one is still the more accurate of the two. :)
I can't find the email so going from memory, but I think when I spoke to Lee about the MyEnergi CT clamp readings, he said the tollerance was +/- 10%. Don't quote me on that as from memory, but deffo known to not be a true reflection, not that any are really.
You have the issue of multiple data sources, so adds doubt :)
Hi Dale, Thanks for the videos they are proving to be very informative. Do you think a Myenergi Hub and Harvi on there own would be useful?
At the moment we have no real idea what we are generating or importing, so I'm looking for a setup that will give us some data from our 6 year old 4kW (Ginlong) solar PV. We have a generation meter that is located in a separate building to the import meter so a system that requires a wired CT Clamp to both generation and import sides might be troublesome...
We've just had a quote to upgrade the inverter to SolarEdge and 10kWh Sonnen battery but we are sceptical about the companies best case % improvements (we have almost zero if any shading) and the optimistic payback time...
Regards,
Ken
Hi Ken, before answering, do you have a MyEnergi Eddi or Zappi currently? As the Harvi is just a way for connecting the CT clamps to a device that then sends the information wirelessly.
@@SpectrumGeeks Thanks for getting back so quickly.
Nope, the Eddi might be useful but without knowing how much surplus we are generating we have no way of knowing. I'm trying to find the best way to monitor our current setup that doesn't need a wired link between the import meter CT clamp and the generation meter CT clamp... I was hoping MyEnergi might have the solution :-)
Unfortunately Ken the Harvi is essentially dumb, and I believe the Hub is just an agregation device (ie it pulls the stats via the Eddi or Zappi depending on which is master). So without either of those it wouldnt work.
I will do a quick test for you to confirm by turning off my Eddi and Zappi and see if the hub is able to interpet the CT clamp info independantly.
I don't know much about it, but a Smappee might be an alternative to consider. A subscriber called Darren uses one (soon to be selling) and probably give you some info. He is often in the Spectrum Geeks Discord channel if you want to drop in -
discord.gg/uj3YSQx
Just finished testing and can confirm the Harvi and Hub alone are dumb, they are not able to interpret and show data without and Eddi or Zappi operational.
@@SpectrumGeeks Thank you so much for taking the time to do that. The Smappee seems to require a cable between the clamps. I guess I need to see if the previous owners had the vision to lay some useable conduit between buildings. Thanks again for your help.
Just got PV system installed with Myeddi and also have Harvi for my car. am waiting for Hub to be delivered but am unsure if and when I can tell if my washing machine and dishwasher are using my solar energy. Could you please advise thanks
it wont be able to tell you the specific devices in your home are using solar. However you just have to figure this out for yourself, i.e. if your system is generating 4kW solar and your house is using 3kW and your washing machine and dishwasher are on, its using solar.
You said you have three CT clamps. Could you tell me where exactly are they placed?
The CT clamps are on the cables for the electrical feeds.
So one is on the grid connection, one on the solar connection and one on the battery connection.
Hi, I just have a Zappi and hub but I am struggling to work out how to get the best out of the app. My MG EV doesn’t have timed charge facility so I want to get night rates from the agile tariff by making the app trigger the charge at preset times.
If I set to fast, eco or eco plus the car starts charging, if I stop it how do I get it to charge on timer? The app says I need to set it F, E or EP... when I do that it starts charging immediately... HELP PLEASE
I leave mine in ECO Plus at all times so it will only charge if I either have excess solar, or during my timed charge window.
In FAST it will start to charge your car at max rate, at ECO it will charge your car at min rate (about 1.5kW) and Eco Plus ONLY if there is solar surplus, in addition to this when the timer is set.
SO .... if yours is charging the car when plugged in and Eco Plus is set I would guess you either have a problem with your CT Clamp connections (so the Zappi thinks there is surplus when there isnt), or its an issue with the Zappi. You may need to contact MyEnergi, but I also have other videos on my channel about setting up timed charges on the Zappi etc. Its for the gen 1 zappi but should help you.
Thank-you for that insight. Precious little to me from myenergi In fact nothing at all! So I'd be interested in where you get your information? Since paying for my hub in Dec '18, eventually receiving it in March '19, then getting no response to any emails about the app. I've given up on myenergi being responsive at all!
My Android version the app is very little useful, being also slow. No graph of stats, save for the current date line! Boosting the eddi fails every time. Although I can at least boost the zappi.
Nigel
Hi Nigel, it can be hard to get information as they are very busy, but once you speak to someone it does tend to be positive, might try asking questions on their forum for a community response.
You say "where do I get my information?" I don't know which specific information you refer to, but what I mention in this video either is based on my own experience of conversations I have had with MyEnergi founders on future release plans.
@@SpectrumGeeks OK busy I'm sure, I wouldn't want to be involved with a company that wasn't. But too busy to speak with customers? There is something wrong there. Who are they working for, if not customers?
Thanks any way for the info that you have extracted and shared.
Forum? what forum is this? Nothing that myenergi have shared with me.
Oh I agree with you. The forum is myenergi.info/
Good video I have a Wi-Fi Eddi but can’t set up the app as I can’t find an number on eddi any ideas thanks
Sn number
If you go into the information menu, there is serial number info, also on the piece of paper that came with the eddi.
@@SpectrumGeeks hey thanks for reply but it’s the reg code I can’t find it’s not information menu or anywhere I can find I turned it off and on again still no luck
@@wexwayne I just checked my Eddi. Its on page 2 of the information menu. There is the serial number on the left and the reg code on the right.
I have a hub and a eddi, I. Don't know where to find sn and the other thing for registration of app, I don't see it on eddi. Please help
They should be on the small rectangular sticker on the hub.
Is there a setting to get consumption history, the only graph that populates for me is Zappi charging. I have solar and EDDI too.
If you tap the middle icon you should see the information you are looking for, the app is not mega reliable though. Sometimes the graph works, sometimes it doesnt.
@@SpectrumGeeks Thank you, I had never pressed the middle one. However the graphs are still not populated with data although I get live data
Are you running the latest firmwares, and also how long have you had the setup?
I just tried to check mine but its only working for todays values at the moment, says something went wrong for the others at the mo.
@@SpectrumGeeks I had it installed in August. It's never populated. I tried a firmware update but it went bad when I discovered the grey faceplate sticker thingy on the hub is upside down. Your setup video helped me fix it by mirroring your utton pressed and ignoring the labels on the buttons and leds. Thanks
I recommend updating the firmwares, as this has solved some of the issues I had previously.
KW and KWH are NOT the same thing! All your MyEnergi numbers are kilowatts, except the "total charge during session/day/etc" figures. :)
You are spot on Chris, made another video calling myself out on my miss quoting in the heat of conversation. Made a concious effort to do it less since :)
:) I did scroll the comments a bit to see if you'd spotted it. IT is a whole new mess of abbreviations for most folks. I do wish we could standardise on one unit. We have a standard 240 v system (except for superchargers et al) so amps to Kw is a one to one conversion, but half the time they tell you what your charge point will give in amps and half the time in Kw...
Agreed, and I wasnt helping with the problem. So like in AA I am trying to do better :)
How do you get your solar to show on the app?
I have additonal CT Clamps on my Solar feed so I can see things in the app.
Does the app give live data without delay?
All apps have some delay as it takes time for the CT clamps to sense the change, and in the case of MyEnergi send the data back to MyEnergi servers to the app.
However, it is pretty responsive and responsiveness has improved over the years since it was deployed.
@@SpectrumGeeks thats good then as my luxpower has a 5 min delay haha
@@MT-xy7fw wow, its faster than that for sure :)
have you got a smart meter. what did that say
I do have a smart meter but I don't use the smart screen thing it came with as the tariff info was wrong, so its been in the cupboard since day 2 :)
Hi again is there anyway that I can stop water heating in order to charge my car using solar?