Neurohackers Advice on What We Must Do to Stop the End of Civilization | Daniel Schmachtenberger
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- Daniel Schmachtenberger is a founding member of The Consilience Project, aimed at improving public sensemaking and dialogue.
The throughline of his interests has to do with ways of improving the health and development of individuals and society, with a virtuous relationship between the two as a goal.
Towards these ends, he’s had a particular interest in the topics of catastrophic and existential risk, civilization and institutional decay and collapse as well as progress, collective action problems, social organization theories, and the relevant domains in philosophy and science.
Motivated by the belief that advancing collective intelligence and capacity is foundational to the integrity of any civilization, and necessary to address the unique risks we currently face given the intersection of globalization and exponential technology, he has spoken publicly on many of these topics, hoping to popularize and deepen important conversations and engage more people in working towards their solutions. Many of these can be found here. Right now, we are living through times that have many people wondering about the end of the world. On this episode of Conversations with Tom, host Tom Bilyeu and guest Daniel Schmachtenberger engage in a fascinating discussion about social media, neural warfare, game theory, power itself, and the ways that our society has over-optimized. In particular, they talk about why it’s so important to stop trying to be right, why we need to start thinking in more complex ways, and why the real battlefield is the human mind.
SHOW NOTES:
Daniel was home-schooled, allowed to study whatever he thought was most important [0:30]
Daniel’s parents actually referred to his family as an “experiment” [3:40]
By the time a child goes to school, civilization has already been imprinted on them [6:04]
Daniel advocates that optimization is actually a part of the problem [8:37]
Daniel details exactly why trying to optimize leads to serious problems [13:14]
Daniel talks about how to understand civilization’s history through game theory [18:40]
Some kinds of value can be extracted and lead to power, and other kinds can’t [20:57]
Daniel uses the example of COVID-19 to illustrate the problems with optimization [25:48]
How can we think in complex ways that respect the interconnected nature of existence [30:41]
It’s much easier to break things than it is to build complex systems [35:39]
Tom and Daniel discuss whether it’s possible to nudge people in the right direction [38:16]
Social media will lead us to war even though no one wants it [46:01]
Daniel and Tom discuss the connections between high school bullying and terrorism [51:12]
If you aren’t considering counter-responses, you are just being emotionally hijacked [58:56]
People’s minds are the battlefield [1:04:17]
There are no authorities that are trustworthy enough to just assume they are right [1:09:59]
Do you want to be effective or do you want to be right? [1:15:15]
Daniel explains how people become fundamentalist about things they are wrong about [1:19:45]
Debates are often not about understanding. They are just dogfights. [1:28:48]
Legitimate power is when I am trying to influence someone to be more self-directed [1:32:03]
Tom explains the relief of focusing on finding the right answers instead of being right [1:35:35]
If you want to be right, you are very easy to control. Fragile egos are vulnerable. [1:39:55]
Capitalism, the Trump campaign and Christianity have all been antifragile so far [1:42:33]
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For the first time I’ve seen a human being with a mind that is so evolved and can see beyond what most people can. The fact that he is home schooled is a testament that the current system we put our children thru is failing them miserably and not giving them the critical and independent thinking necessary to understand and question our current systems. Thank you Tom for bringing out Daniel. We need more people like him. 👏👏
here might be your next step: th-cam.com/video/XbKXeVOUQYY/w-d-xo.html
Then if you like Eric, go take in his podcast ... Daniel is great, one of the best, yet there are more than just him out there.
How could a system (school) that is authouritarian as can be help anyone to become a critical thinker? Funny to put it this way and also very sad
@@JonathanNation yes but only a few of such a high caliber available (or known to me) in the public domain.
But sure, the whole "intellectual dark net" movement features a few of them.
The Rebel Wisdom youtube channel has some good interviews/ discussions w/ Daniel & others. He is possibly the most down to earth of the whole bunch.
Not only that, he also comes at it from such a intellectual way . Like a GURU for wisdom without afterlife . But i do love those teachers as well but he dose not exclude anyone so reaches everyone who wants to know .
This is the best interview with Daniel Schmachtenberger I've seen to date. We could all benefit from putting more ideas like this into conversation. Thanks Tom and Daniel.
Check Out Rebel Wisdom then
The way Daniel handled interruptions and reorganized his ideas to exactly disrupt Tom’s points of confusion.. creating so many “aha moments”... gold.
Well spotted @Holly ....This is the worst I’ve seen Tom....he never interrupts his guests so they can deliver a coherent lecture/talk, but it seems to me he was trying to compete with Daniels IQ, and very few can match Daniels IQ and eloquence! I’m a big big Tony fan and he’s never disappointed me until this instance of irrelevant interruptions that were pointless at best and insecure at worst! Daniels brilliance makes me both envious and the inverse of erudite in thought!
I had the same thought! Absolutely brilliant.
I don’t think Tom was interrupting him on purpose to confuse or compete with his IQ . I think Tom was scattered in thought and excited and this sometimes causes people to interrupt. Interesting how some people think their observations should have merit enough to publish some elementary observation , conjures up more arrogance and questioning of IQ then the accused .Pausing and kindness is a part of emotional intelligence.
Never seen or heard of this Tom before but his questions are pathetic and he looks completely foolish... Daniel is always very fun to listen to. 👍
@holly...it seems the breakdown in communication came after Daniel stated that optimization is a problem at a fundamental level... For anyone who has watched Tom for a while, as I have, you know that optimization is a crucial fundamental building block to his identity and the very brand of Impact Theory...
This talk is deep, probably one of the best on Tom's show
I think the guest is unable to explain to teach. There are 2 skills in being intelligent. One is being intelligent and that’s it. The other is being intelligent and being intelligent enough to explain to common people. He relates the simple in a way that makes it confusing. Probably because he was home schooled and self taught and never learned socialization.
Luchia Young He teaches effectively quite frequently. He’s teaching Tom here. Count the “whoa!” moments. The data and concepts are being translated in this conversation (which you and I are only a third party observer to).
Further, he isn’t overcomplicating the simple, he is deconstructing concepts that are wrongly thought to be simple and showing how they actually fit into a ecosystem of ideas and are engaged in a chain of second, third, fourth (etc) order effects/consequences.
@@luchiayoung Soooo .... when another "home schooled and self taught" person hears him ... they can understand clearly. It is only confusing to a mind that bases its thinking on a diametrically opposite mode of viewing reality.
Daniel is the brain ..
@@stephenvankleeck4801 This is one of the best talks I've heard... I need to listen to it to fully comprehend all of the concepts...
Daniel Schmachtenberger is brilliant...
Imagine if we lived in a world in which every person had this level of critical thinking and insight
Unbelievably right on!! Intuition must be more present & allowed. Thank you
Right. On. Peacelp
Maybe he's the reincarnation of Socrates, or one of those other ancient Greek luminaries. It's a nonsensical thought, impossible to reality-test, but it keeps swimming up from the dark muddy waters of my mind like a strange fish...
That’s your opinion but not a valid conclusion
The world just became a little better place with this podcast. Epic
Well ain’t many folks in this podcast anyway. Majorities are just waiting to get tattooed next weeks.
Excellent discussion ! Thanks, Tom 🤗
Love the way Daniel thinks and speaks. He has an incredible ability to connect disperate topics, reveal power dynamics, and connect the parts to a comprehensive whole. Basically, he says "I won't pick a team/tribe, but I'll show you how the game works"
@Glow Worm Well, in this interview he did not IMO. I've heard him on other podcast and there he's shared more of his opinions, rather than a description of the game.
@Glow Worm and which "tiny little tribe" would that be? "millions of guys like him" do you mean innovative thinkers to the likes of which we owe most of the value added to our daily lives?
I think part of it was that Tom was asking the right questions and was nudging the convo in the right direction
@@Humanaut. - I believe he's alluding to the pseudoscientific classification of human "subspecies" in Eugenics.
@Glow Worm please elaborate.
This is painful to watch. Major props to Daniel for more patience than I may have had.
Agreed
Tony Huebell- get OVER yourself 😂
This was brilliantly insightful, highly informative & brain twistingly Mind-Opening...and you got stuck on how 'painful' it was to watch. Der
Schmachtenberger shows incredible patience listening to Tom ramble about himself.
I really loved listening to Tom's takes. I think he's a great interviewer
Listening is information gathering.
Schmactenbergers ability to explain complex technical issues in social complexity and arrange them into discrete individual contexts is only heightened by doing so.
Jimmy Bob - Oh, and you're NOT? (Rambling on 'bout yourself & YOUR opinions on this interview?)
@@barbarafairbanks4578 One sentence isnt rambling and i didnt tell any personal life stories. Youve responded to two of my comments,in both of them you basically said, "No you are!". I see why you Tom is interesting you guys are on the same level.
Yes, I just started to skip every time he interrupted and looked for the guest start speaking again 😅
Please add Daniel into a regular rotation. Good job interviewing someone who's done so much thinking on so many topics -- I would have been lost.
Tom I've been following your channel for a very long time (circa 2016-2017 if I remember correctly). Your podcasts gave me the mindset to fix a truckload of things in my life, get a professional accreditation, fix my diet and fitness and in general really raise the bar on my life.
So when I say that this interview (a challenging listen, by the way) is possibly the most influential work I've ever heard you do, I think you'll understand the weight behind my words. Holy. Smokes.
I had to download it and run it several times and I'm still getting more out of it. You've always been a very emphatic speaker but with Daniel you take a tone that's more investigative journalism than anything I've previously seen. I hope you find a way to push this one far and wide because the dose of reality in here is truly profound and incredibly important.
12/10 for possibly the best interview I've ever heard.
Daniel has to be one of the smartest people alive today, love his thought process
Daniel and Eric Weinstein could without a doubt formulate a new path for humanity I’m certain of it
We'll have to help them though and be their minions:D
Smart, that’s for sure, but not always right, we still need to distill...for example Daniel speaks about the cause of COVID-19, but doesn’t open up Steiner’s assertion on what causes a virus, or some of the great work from Today’s champions, such as Zach Bush....you won’t see the solution unless you can see the whole picture!
@mmp s the problem is "funding" their "experiments" of business/social-programs (which people would have to volunteer for) so they could optimize their iteration of ideas and implemented/"experimented" ideas. They really would be great minds to be working on this, as dual-spearheads of the funded "experiment" program.
Absolutely 👍🏾
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I’ve only just come across Daniel. He’s a fresh voice the world needs.
Brilliant! Not about being right or looking good if you want to impact change, it is only about being relentlessly committed to discovering what works!
THAT is effective leadership!
THAT is rare.
Majority of people live only committed to being right and will never see the vast sea of other possibilities in front of them.
Thank you Tom!!
Good crystallization of the content!
Heather Parillo - more like YOU needed here, Heather ;))
You 'got' it.
And yet, so many got stuck, apparently, on observing how 'irritating' it was for them to have to watch Tom ask (intelligent, IMO) questions that enriched the podcast, my POV, of course.
I think they let their own judgements about Tom's 'behavior' distract them from the actual content. Our minds can be tricky that way, but if we don't know we are doing that (distracting), we don't know we are doing that. Catch 22! It's like not knowing that we don't know...awful predicament to be in.
Not about being right? Why would you want something that is not mentally sound and nonsensical? You’re talking about abstract objects
I’m immediately obsessed with this guy
Jennie! that's exactly what he doesn't want you to do! Bless you sister💖🤗
I actually really like the interruptions and questions Tom asks. This is a really deep conversation I enjoyed the breaks and way Tom tries to break down the advanced topics. It helped me engage and take something from the conversation!
I agree completely Jen! The whole point of this format of show is for Tom to get into a conversation he can actually dig deep on while also bringing us the value of getting to lay eyes on it and take what we can. Absolutely love it!
thank you for your contrarian view...I found it highly irritating & disruptive to Daniels stream...that said was impressed by Toms often brutal honesty no matter how self debasing it may be....he may slightly sociopathic BUT HEs UPFRONT about it...lol
Jen m - completely agree with you, Jen!
@@theprophylacticprotectagai2069 "slightly sociopathic?"
Ya know, I am getting irritated reading all the self-degrading projections going on here 😒
I hate the interruptions though, basic social etiquette already violated. Don't like personality types like Tom Bilyeu, feels like he's the type to fork the bill over to you!
One question, how can we all work together to get Daniel on the Joe Rogan Experience? This man needs far more exposure than what he's getting!
SERIOUSLY
First thought as well. 👍🏼
100% agreed
Right??? I put a dm in Rogan’s insta about him yesterday. Petition!?
Your comment on here is a good start 😊👍🏻
What a stimulating conversation. Loved listening to Daniel‘s thought process. Phew!!!🙏🏼
Knowing this conversation happened makes life a little bit better. Thank you both.
Why did your comment make me tear up 😥
This was the most Rad shit you have exposed me too. Thank you I will utilize this to help me curate my narrative around my thoughts and responsibility in my community. Strategy and not emotion
Me, too
Isn't it amazing when someone makes you want to be a better citizen !! POWERFUL...... Ditto
F*CK YES
"The first human being who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization."
--Sigmund Freud
typical jewish sentiment.... lol & NOW they RULE THE INTERNET & DELETING ALTERNATE VIEWS...go figure eh
@@theprophylacticprotectagai2069 Proof of the stochastic pudding
Tom you seem to be a nice guy but you interrupted Daniel way too often when he was in flow to talk about your feelings & yourself. Daniel has an incredible intellect and worthwhile things to say. It would be really nice if you practiced active listening more if you speak with him again.
Jrogersreintegrate - geeze, another one who wants to run the show here 😜
Maybe read more of the comments here by those who DO happen to have a handle on why Tom interjected with the intelligent questions he did.
And, you just doubly don't 'get it' if you think Tom's questions & comments were all about himself. He was using analogies to clarify his line of thinking, btw. Der.
Intended audience is not (if I could use terminology from this conversation) "Us" but "They". Hence the "interruptions".
Seriously, mind blowing. Dan is amazing. The host needs to STOP INTERRUPTING HIM, set his ego aside and learn.
The host doesn't "need" to do anything. You "want" him to. Not the same.
I understand what you are saying and agree with you. Fortunately, there are other channels such as Eric Weinstein featuring Dan’s thoughts.
@@ChatGPT1111 Eric weinsteins interview with Daniel was far more disrupted than this! Or maybe I'm thinking of his brother bret? Whichever one it was, I found myself almost screaming at him to stop interrupting Daniel! It was truly terrible 😔
About 33 1/2 minutes in when Tom interrupted Daniel’s answers/explanations for about the 8th time... I started to lose patience with watching this. Tom, stop interrupting and re-directing Daniel’s answers, let the intelligent man finish his thoughts! Gee 🤦🏼♂️
This
Oh, I need the interruptions and questions from Tom!
I think Tom's struggling to keep up. Aren't we all...
Agreed. However, there are way better interviews out there with David. Modern Wisdome did a great one for instance.
The interruptions from Tom were so uncharacteristic.....it’s a sign he couldn’t keep up with Daniel but my sense is Daniels IQ can make people insecure and to keep up with him they’ll hv a meltdown and become dysfunctional 🤪and ask “gibberish” (basically interrupt unjustifiably)
Seeing the comments has me so excited about what I'm about to hear
Pure gold! Thank you Tom, thank you Daniel. I'm a better person for listening to this. Question everything, sit with uncertainty, think critically, mind your ego, be patient. Dig it.
Schmachty for Unschooling! Yeah! That's what I'm doing with my 3 kids. So happy to hear the reassuring words from this intelligent guy!
Have you discovered Francis Bacon’s work related to inductive reasoning and his perversion of Aristotle’s work?
Daniel's perspectives have been evident to me since decades before I knew of him. It's a crucial challenge to connect with people who have never thought this way and help them, sincerely, to flex their minds and understand their emotions. Talk with Daniel again please, and when he's explaining something, let him roll.
Daniel Schmachtenberger is brilliant, his ability to see the multiple intricacies and see these things in new ways... fasinating. I need to learn more about his work. Thank you for introducing me to him !
except his (globalist) narrative of "china / iran / russia bad" ... NO MORE WARS 4 ISREAL
I recommend his podcasts appearances on the future thinkers podcast in order
Watch Rebel Wisdom channel, he made several appearences there. But his best interview /discussion is wth Eric Weinstein, on the Portal, to my mind.
@Urzu.7 no, he is not just a thinker ( though I do not see why would not that be sufficient in itself -), he is neurohacker, and his stuff actually works - Qualia, Eternus and such. and he belongs to Game B people, though he seems to be allergic to any in-group.
Urzu.7 they want to increase human sovereignty & supplements is not the only thing they are working on
link.medium.com/8syMz7k8z8
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I think I've listened to great minds on this podcast who simplify complex subjects. I have never heard though someone like Daniel, who peels back a simple idea and makes you realize there is way deeper form to look at things and analyze. This guy made me feel like I was in the presence of Einstein doing a thought experiment. Unbelievable^100!!!!
Listening to this conversation was the most relaxing thing I've done in months actually. There was something so satisfyingly beautiful about it. Observing how his thoughts flow and dance had such a calming effect on me. So weird. I dont even know how this video stumbled across my phone while I wrestled it out of my 2 year olds hands 😆 but it started playing on my phone and I resumed listening now that my son is asleep. What a truly AWESOME mind this man has. I'm now beyond interested in his parents and their methods of homeschooling. Maybe my toddler is serendipitously leading me towards a different direction for his education 🤔😆
I think so!
I’m in love with this man .. He can think, he can talk, he can describe, he can listen , ... that’s very attractive ..( Daniel )
“There’s always an easy solution to every human problem-neat, plausible and wrong.”
- H. L. Mencken
Daniel is one of the most amazing people I've ever heard speak.
Coming from someone who quit social media 6-7 years ago....do it. Its one of the best things someone can do in this day and age. I totally quit watching "normal tv" also. 95% of the stuff I watch is something like this. Expand your mind. Get rich with information and quit allowing others to "control" you.
The fact that we are listening to these ideas tells me that we live in the most wonderful era and we are in the good direction. We all have the tools (well not all but soon) and that is the closest to real democracy we had in all history.
Dude I freaking LOVE you! I just found you today and I'm soooo happy
I’ve been watching you for awhile Tom and this is by far the best episode I’ve watched. Daniel explains things so well. Thanks for sharing🌞🙏🏻
I keep finding myself wishing Tom would stop interrupting and let Daniel talk. The guy is brilliant.
Wow, Tom is about to get his mind blown!
Daniel is a next level thinker.....
Check out "rebel wisdom" if you haven't seen him!
Rebel Wisdom is only in favour of free speech he agrees with. Just another hypocrite grifter pretending to be a journalist.
@@minimumwage2millionaire Daniel has nothing to do with David; F they just collaborate on certain topics.
@@minimumwage2millionaire name a single platform that doesn't pick and choose their guests....
I see insightful wide open conversations on rebel wisdom that aren't happening many other places....
Check out john vervaeke or Jordan hall....
What's the perspective you think is being left out?
Have you tried to have the conversation there?
@@leyzei7745 I never said otherwise.
@@MattAngiono I never said other platforms dint pick and choose. It's like your imagination got carried away with itself while you were trying to think
So great to hear someone who understands the difference between complicated and complex.
Working in international development in Sierra Leone, it can be really hard to convince folks who want to build increasingly complicated systems (which westerners do very well) to quickly solve complex problems (which southerners intuitively understand). We need iterative approaches that take complexity into account to solve problems like hunger and teenage pregnancy.
Im working with a healthcare charity in Sierra Leone. Curious as to what you do?
Why are Daniel's mannerisms, appearance, voice+inflections and brilliance eerily similiar to Scott Santens?
It's almost like twins were separated at birth. Or they are the same guy from different multiverses.🧐
@mitch forrest Thanks Mitch. I will check the video out.
I'm so glad this guy was home schooled. Too many kids are indoctrinated and brainwashed in the first 7 years of a child's life. All kids should be home schooled in my opinion. We need to produce free thinking kids not robots xxx
I don't agree. Very rarely is a home-schooled kid that doesn't develop severe social anxiety in life. Social anxiety cripples you most of anything. You can go to school and still be free-thinking, they're not mutually exclusive
Definitely ... Yet... Not all parents are in any way capable and intelligent enough to home school... as they were the ones indoctrinated and brainwashed... Montessori and Waldorf... Any others ??
WoWzX9 So you can exclusively conclude that most kids who are homeschooled, develop social anxiety? But there’s tons of people who develop social anxiety who were never homeschooled! Can you provide any statistics to back up your statement? There are plenty of others means that are or that can be incorporated with homeschooling to compensate for the classroom interactions. How smart is it to entirely ditch a great concept out of fear of something that may not ever happen?
I loved educating my children at home,though it was more along the lines of facilitation rather than implementing conventional methods to' teach' facts...They are grown now and very present,questioning,intelligent adults-doing what brings them satisfaction and joy,and happy in their own skin.
@@WoWzX9 , it's the other way around.
Incredible conversation. You covered so many things I wish I could point out to people, that in the end it would be too much. I hope people watch the whole thing.
This is an intense podcast with SOOOO much information, i'm going to need to relisten to this at least 2-3 more times and take notes to research into some of these topics some more. Definitely one of the best speakers Tom has had on this podcast, talk about another level!
THE BEST conversation EVER!!! thank you both! Amazing. This makes me think along.
I discovered Daniel on Eric Weinstein's podcast a few months ago and have been fascinated by his ideas and way of thinking ever since. We need thinkers like this in positions of power!
Thank you very much, Tom, all the way from South African.
This is so brilliant that it raised my adrenalin! The level of intelligens on all levels is mindblowing .
I quit my social media 2 months ago because I honestly thought I was losing my mind. Grateful for channels such as this one to stay open and curious 🙏🙏
Kate Moren - same! 😊
What a man! Proof that respecting a child is so motherfucking powerful. It almost brings me to tears. I’m grateful I’m able to listen to him. 🙏
This dude is hyperintellegent. I will be following his work from now on!
Wow! There was just so much to process from this interview! I need to watch again with notes this is gold!
"Peoples minds are the battlefield, the treasure and the weapons." 104:30 ish
Hi Tom, thank you for bringing Daniel! Please do it again...the world needs it..so do we...sorry about my english...im from Portugal
Ouch! my head hurts ~ so much to unpack in this interview!
I was raised in the last of experimental public school programs that addressed these things. Before GATE, there was Advanced Placement, High Achievers, and Mentally Gifted Minors. A few of my Jr. Hi teachers treated us like we were beyond college with our books and subjects. Those teachers were free thinkers who encouraged the same. I realize now just how unique that was and thank God and the Public School systems for it!
I was not home schooled but I never let schooling interfere with my education.
Only people who have high level of awareness can do that
If you began in K, and went thru the system all the way - you actually DID (let school interfere) ...you just don't know it. Yet.
Wow! A nice one-two punch with these new interviews after the break. Man, you have really been thinking. Happy for us to continue to be "connected" in this journey called life. Continue to do what you do. I appreciate being "nudged" by you.
"Be the reason someone smiles. Be the reason someone feels loved and believes in the goodness in people."
--Roy T. Bennett
Glow Worm This is more important now, than ever before!
This convo shows that there's hope for the world. Thanks Tom!
Tom has been very helpful to me as he helped me get over my fear of starting a TH-cam channel and just do it!
Thank you Tom for bringing Daniel Schmachtenberger on your show. I was already a mega fan of all your interviews/conversations - you give me hope!! And, Daniel is one of the greatest thinkers and sense-making geniuses alive today. I've had the great pleasure of meeting Daniel several times and hearing him speak in person over the years -- every time, he completely blows my mind. I was fascinated by everything you two spoke about on this show, in particular the part about social media algorithms!
It's all about giving people meaningful purpose related to their passions.
Thank You! It's a great relief to find that I'm not facing that awareness alone!
This was incredible! Thank you, Tom!
Our society is creating so many groups or demographics in which to describe or even discriminate against the others, that eventually we’ll be right back to the fact that we’re all individuals. Likewise, Daniel has found so many more ways to describe our reality, that eventually we’ll be back to just living for each moment.
LET'S WORK TOGETHER FOR THE GREATER GOOD!
I was with him until he mentioned "co****ct tr****ng" ... deepstate ploy for control
then when he said the "CCP" (aka isreal) runs the media... LOL lies
What is "THE GREATER GOOD"
@@MrClimateCriminal Diversity for thee, but not for me
@Glow Worm WTF is everybody in this thread on acid?
Fantastic video - Thank you Tom and Daniel! Admire the work you both create and share. Hope to see Daniel as a repeat guest.
Daniel gets into a flow and is then interrupted by Tom. That was a shame.
Tony felt so insecure I think 🤔 I could be wrong but the irrelevant and rather un intellectual interruptions mean 1. he’s exposed his own insecurities or 2. was looking to trip up Daniel whose rising popularity makes it difficult for platforms like Tony’s to thrive if he can’t bring smarter guests than Daniel....I’m a big fan of Tony however on this occasion the interruptions were, to borrow a phrase, “a shame”.
Yes, makes me crazy!
It’s actually good. I’m a huge fan of Daniel. His mode of communication is writing “verbal papers” for each question. It can be a “one-pager” or a “ten-pager” and you can’t be sure once he starts going. Additionally, he doesn’t know that his mental constructs and the language he uses to transfer them lose many people in the flow of his oration.
Tom, in an effort to ground his concepts, plucks his questions out in the moment because they would likely get lost by “page three”. In fact, this is one of the better interviews because Tom makes him define words and concepts and continually attempts to explain Daniel’s ideas practically.
Most of his lectures and interviews I wouldn’t share with friends and family but this one is more accessible.
Nah. Not a shame. Your perception.
@@TheVeek192 so true, everything is relative lol
Daniel Schmachtenberger is the MOST BRILLIANT human being on the planet... I’m putting him in charge of everything. Outstanding conversation Tom... finally someone speaking ultra intelligently.
While the world is playing checkers, Daniel is playing 3D chess. More Daniel, less Tom. Love you Tom, but too much bouncing around between.... would love to hear Daniel finish a thread... to let him lead us out.
Yeah, quite annoying to ask Daniel a question and then interrupt 2 minutes into answer. Very annoying.
Let us lead us out
This is a MUST watch for anyone who wants to think on higher level subjects, and stop allowing their minds to be controlled, unknowingly by all the social media sites we use. Especially the 45:25 where Daniel breaks down the kind of mind-control happening with the algo's on the sites manipulating minds -- without people even realizing it.
BTW: this comment is coming from a Social Media fan and pioneer, from the beginning, who wrote the 1st book on Marketing with Social Media. I'm saying now, to CURB your use of it. Or we'll all fall in peril.
Excellent, deep conversation here that needs to be shared everywhere.
Daniel has also done a series called the war on sense making that will blow your mind - check it out
more globalist agenda?
Where?
It's so good.... started to watch it a couple years ago
broadcast_mode It’s on Rebel Wisdom
What impresses me most about Daniel is his ability to convey complex thoughts in such a clear way. Smooth. Polished. Almost good enough to go directly from transcript to book text with minimal editing. Few people have this level of sustained concentration
Stimulating conversation I've been severely lacking in my life.
Tom regarding the question of how can we increase awareness and goal orientation toward restructuring the world for sustainability: it is actually quite simple if we flip it and see it from the bottom up. When a majority of humans have taken responsibility for their life and all outcomes they can control, we will live in a world where the path of resistance is one that functions, thrives, sustains and harmonizes and in that way the world changes as a matter of course.
Yeah, but it's likely too late for a slow change to work.... probably too late for even fast changes to work....
But we still gotta try!
Best episode by far!!!
I've watched your videos on and off for several months, but this interview had me finally press the subscribe button. Great person to interview. I enjoyed Daniel's thoughtful and measured responses. Keep up the good work Tom!!
Either you'll get limbically and cognitively highjacked into nonsense and be certain that it's true and be willing to go take that enraged action on it OR you'll just be overwhelmed and have no idea~Daniel Schmachtenberger
For me, it's the latter.
(Grammarly detected a strong tone of complaint in the quote)
love this conversation.
to the people who are stressed out by the interruptions, there are lots of talks with Daniel that you can listen to where he is given space to unfold each train of thought completely. Personally, I felt a lot of respect for Tom, his questions, and his determination to develop a clear comprehension for himself and his listeners. How i see it, Tom clearly understands that Daniel is deeply brilliant and has had way more resource/time/capacity to think at a more complex level... but Tom showed up to the conversation honestly, exactly where he was at, asking the questions that were meaningful to him. He didn't hide his dissonance in order to look smart, or pretend to understand or agree when he wasn't clear on what was happening. This takes a lot of courage and commitment to authentic growth. I think his interruptions were often reframings of his previous questions, when he realized he didn't ask what he meant to. He wasn't going to waste his opportunity to learn what he really needed to learn from this brilliant thinker. And in doing so, I think he did a great service to his listening audience who are probably at a similar level of thought development as he is. Additionally, they get to watch Tom's learning process in real time, which is valuable meta-information.
Sure it could have been more graceful if he apologized for the interruptions and/or thanked Daniel for redirecting so frequently... but I imagine it would be pretty stimulating (potentially overwhelming) to hold a convo with someone who has such robust and grounded thinking processes for working with the most meaningful and daunting realities in the world.
Another interesting aspect of this talk... I've never seen Daniel have to pause and reflect on how to direct his thoughts. I found it inspiring to watch him slow down, synthesize what was really needed, and reweave his previous thread in a way that supported the new inquiry. My take is that Daniel enjoyed the challenge to create genuine communication with Tom. He took the precious opportunity to talk about what Tom needed to think through personally, instead of talking his theoretical shtick into a void of comprehension (like many other complexity thinkers do). Tom is an entrepreneur, inspirational speaker and thought leader of his communities, not just an interviewer. Its people like him who give their lives to help a more general public learn to think and act, that need and deserve the opportunities to refine their perspectives and tools with thinkers like Daniel. In my experience there are lots of platforms for Daniel to share his genius uninterrupted, but these are the kinds of conversations that matter more broadly. It was an honour and inspiration to watch. What I would give to ask Daniel his take on my personal path!!!
This was amazing and mindblowing. Hope he can get back and sit with you in the studio next time!
While listening to this episode, I became:
-Sick of believing I am so far above the average, and am very interested in bringing what is average upwards.
-Sure of some business plans that I can act upon locally almost instantly.
Damn, good 2 hours spent!
The only real good way for us to go about life right now is to stop giving power to the collapsing matrix and to focus on ourselves, follow our own hearts instead of getting lost in our egos and thinking we know what has to be done or listening to everybody else like the freaking sheep collective.. like come on people wake tf up..
BRILLIANT distinction!!!! This is wonderfully articulated!!!
I have to say I really appreciate this conversation being public. I'm floored and deeply grateful for the passion and articulation given freely.
I have to say it: I absolutely love Tom’s big ears😊
wish hed USE them more rather than his big MOUTH FFS !!! hesd cute like my big brother is....like a baby elephant is...
This is how I use my phone. What a joy! Thank you!!
It’s rare to hear two people talk with such clarity and intelligence, I really really appreciate the freedom of thought!!
I wish I could "like" this multiple times. Remarkable insight and interview. Thank you.
The woman Daniel mentions, the TED talk "On Being Wrong" is Kathryn Schulz. So grateful to hear him talk about using power to grow yodas (enlighten others to choose for themselves) rather than to manipulate. So well adjusted.
looking forward to watching this soon! THANK YOU! ❤️❤️❤️
Haha! Schmachtenburger: "I don't know any ordinary people."
Average
I know...huh? How many heads did THAT go over? More than a few, IMO, otherwise we'd be reading an awful lot of teardowns of Daniel. OR...everyone here thinks they too are exceptional 🤣
This guy is amazing, I truly enjoyed this conversation and appreciate his mind.
Hi Tom, thank you so much for Introducing Daniel to me.
I think you would know about game B if you said less and listened more❤️🙏
Mindful Harmony...and I think you'd know more about Plan B if you listened more and judged less 😃
Fantastic interview. Thank you Tom. Daniel is fascinating though-provoking person. I will continue to follow him.
Wow! Mind blown. This was so incredibly engaging that I couldn't work until it was finished. The title of the video didn't seem to be what they really talked about. Maybe I'm not seeing the elephant in the room because there was so much to examine.
This was phenomenal! Thank you both for taking time out of your lives to share these insights with us!
18:23 No Tom, it's not that "basically this shit is complicated." Rather, it's COMPLEX, not complicated. SELF-ORGANIZING, not contrived.
Tom, thanks for this facinating, engaging, entertaining and deeply thought provoking content...This was the best IT interview I've seen so far and I would love to see more conversations between you and Daniel!
You might learn something Tom, if you talk less and listen more. Us too.. You kept cutting Daniel off just as he was started to explain the detail behind his thinking
Check Schmachtenberger's interview on Eric Weinstein's podcast out.
Tom, Please pay attention to what Johnathan replied. I also wanted to hear Daniel's explanations in completed detail and watch his thought process.
All you needed to do was ask the questions, observe, listen and let his brilliant mind flow. The conversation would have gone to an even deeper level as he finished his thoughts. A mind like Daniel's does not need skilled interview technique or direction. I am very great full to you for the introduction.
I agree
agreed he never lets dan finish answering before asking another question
Definitely one of Tom's best talks.
this amazing man predicted all that 3 years ago, respect to Danial Schmachtenberger