For those who care for environmental issues, Trolleybuses are the best. I'd say more than electric buses on battery. ( when you know how is battery made of ).
I had a friend who was a bus mechanic in Vancouver BC. He could always tell when the trolley bus drivers had been racing, since the motor brushes would be heavily arced. Usually took place in the wee wee hours between the bus and some kid in a muscle car. The kids were always shocked at the massive instant torque these buses could create from the 550v wires!
Busses in this video operate under 600 V or 750 V. And they have asynchronous (induction, brushless) motors. Solaris Trollino 15 (the world's only 15 metres nonarticulated trolleybus, you can see it at time 11:33) has a 175 kW six-pole asynchronous motor with a torque of 4500 Nm.
On hills Trolley buses give formula 1 performance that beat any diesel bus. Pollution free, and also the advantage that on route extensions duo vehicles do not need new overhead. Electric traction at its best. Thank you for the video.
Yes, IT Is in thé technical power in electric motors, what Is ideally componed fór thé vehicles. Matematický power Is combination od thé visit And force. In the everyday regulared power in thé Hills Slow visit generare more force in thé rotor And car have more force. In Otto And Diesel motorest IT Is NOT And driver must change thé feat gtade! In this fact Trolleybus Is BETTEER to formule F1 in accelerate feom all stations And stop points!!!
Trolleybus can still make pollution, but less than battery buses. But I agree, trolleybuses are better than battery buses, trolley buses are generally better for the environment.
I assume they are the best form of public transport for hilly areas. I used to live near Lausanne, Switzerland and they are used there and the whole city seems to be in a huge hill
Think trolleybuses make engineering sense for the Nat'l University of Singapore (NUS)'s shuttle buses too, given it's rugged terrain (the main campus is built on Kent Ridge). Only possible challenges I can think of is justifying the cost of the overhead wires (since bus utilisation drops sharply during weekends and university vacation (Dec & mid May-Aug)) & figuring out how to maintain the buses (the diesel shuttle buses we currently have are serviced off-site at the operator's (ComfortDelgro) HQ some ~10km away, and extending the overhead wires to there probably won't be cost effective) but given how far away the HQ is (& thus the length of dead mileage needed by the buses to go there for servicing) & the substantial fleet size of the buses (32x), I guess there can be enough justification to set up on-site maintenance facilities too (also as trolley buses have simpler drivetrains than diesel buses)
Yes, i write IT in aby other answer, DC electric motors have ideally componed Force avd visit , matematically P = F x v, thé in all mountains they have many force, when all diesel! And those do not eat aby oxygen, what Is on thé mountains problém fór diesel. I hope Good future fór trolleybuses. And with dually trolley And battery power iare still more using.
@@lzh4950 Battery backups are good enough these days that they can easily propel the trolleybus over the 10km needed to get to the maintenance facility
If you research MOSCOW situation where largest TB system in world eliminated. All regular service TBs were less than 8 years old. See articles on internet about Moscow corruption.
What a great video! You made your point... It's a shame trolley-buses are sometimes seen as old-tech; this selection shows that's not true. I've heard it said that they are limited to the wires, so are inflexible, but that's not true for new trolley+battery buses. In any case, sticking to the wires is great in at least one way - you know it's not going to divert from the route (e.g. late at night). And people like trolley-buses! I think the main disadvantage is political - companies and city councils will not save up for replacement of wiring etc., but wait until someone (the European Commission etc.) will give them a dollop of money to do it - otherwise they scrap the system.
The double-articulated ones are indeed impressive to watch. I see the Hess model in Bern regularly on my commute. They have almost the same capacity as the trams.
The double-articulated buses are a sight to behold. Really cool feats of engineering, and their impressive capacity is absolutely welcome to the commuter. Combine that without overhead wires and they're a wonderful transit addition to any city.
Eastern European bus drivers go Mach10. It's in their blood, when I worked for Translink I also went mach 10, but so did almost everyone else. Only problem with new trolleys is they govern out at 60km/h or lower, older ones you could do 75 downhill.
Yeah exactly. I’m from Hungary and I ride trolleybuses regularly. In some sections they accelerate from standstill to 70 km/h in seconds and then brake hard for the next station, and the stations are spaced 300 meters apart.
Its an absolute scandal that some cities are getting rid of trolley buses in favour of battery buses, when we all know the dangers involved with batteries as well as reduced efficiency at extreme temperatures.
I wish we had more of these in the U.S. It seems like it would be a cost-effective way to tackle a lot of our transit and environmental issues that integrates well with our existing infrastructure.
man trolleybuses are so cool, we have them here in the US in Philadelphia. There used to be a lot more routes that ran them but a lot have been replaced by diesel over the years.
Last year when i was in Lublin, Poland it was so much fun to see Trollino 18 was faster than BMW when the lights has changed from red to green:D The face of the driver was speachless haha:D
Oh yes, on the way home you need to get back to the park as soon as possible. It’s a shame in my city, even when we drive to the park, we have to stop at schedules.
@@MrGintaras Here we have some "linie zjazdowe" - exit lines when going back to the depot, also for trolleybuses, but not every vehicle realises it. I often see buses and trolleybuses with no line sign on display or with "zjazd do zajezdni" - "on the way to depot" in the city going fast ;)
@@TheCzolgista123 Szkoda że nie spotykane jest to w Gdyni lub Sopocie. Nie wiem jak w Tychach ale jeżeli są przystanki przy bazach autobusowych czy nawet zajezdniach tramwajowych (np. w Gdańsku do Nowego Portu linia chyba 6 właśnie jedzie do zajezdni) to czemu nie tak? Może to służyć jako linia ekspresowa na żądanie.
Thanks for the video. I love trolley buses! They're eco-friendly and quiet. I'm sure that my opinion here is most unusual, but I actually like the overhead wires, particularly in suburban tree lined streets; I suspect that the wires suggest ("unconsciously" to me ) that the city iwhich operates the trolley bus network is "advanced", having good educational, health and cultural facilities. In New Zealand, where trolley buses were found in most cities in the middle of the 20th century, Wellington was the last city to cease operating them in 2017. In South Africa, trolley busses opearted in Cape Town, Pretoria, Durban and Johannesburg which was the last city in the country to end trolley bus operations in the late 80s.
When it comes to mobility, the level of sustainability goes like this: 1)electric train (the most sustainable) 2) electric tram/streetcar 3) trolleybus 4) diesel train 5) electric bus 6) normal bus etc.. Trolleybuses come off 3rd! These wonderful machines deserve more attention!!
For big cities with traffic,trolleybuses are actually better than regular busses(im not talking about zero emissions of CO2) As trolleybuses have better acceleration
Hallo, more od thé cities have aby trolleybus lines more 100 years And they was still modernised. And when thé concrently city publicista transport systems take to peoples good And often connecting, them they must NOT také own car. And in this fact easr cities in the Europa was better. And I know cities, where Oldřich trolley systems was destroyed And after many years thats was built AGAIN!
@@jakubadamczyk1523 Prague builds both new tram and partial trolley bus routes. Prague lies in a system of canyons so there are a lot of steep hill climbs that destroy batteries in battery buses and are too steep for trams so there are overhead wires an absolute necessity.
Wow. It's always a great pleasure to watch your videos. And you've visited and filmed so many cities! Thanx for your proffesional work at these materials.
Europe never gave up its trams and trolleybuses unlike here in Scotland. Yes, trams are back but, only in Edinburgh and limited at that. We do now have battery buses. I would love to see the old trams making a comeback even trolleybuses and those ones in Switzerland look more like trains than buses.
Excellent video to show the advantages of trolleybuses in many aspects of view. Based on my personal experience, the worst are the obsolete, not properly maintained or installed overhead wires, switches and crossings. Running a modern trolleybus under these circumstances would defeat all positive aspects. There are still places where this is visible and where the modern overhead technologies originated in Switzerland did not find its place.
I have always appreciated the trolleybuses and tramways. The city I was born in, Saint-Étienne (in France) have always kept them meanwhile other French cities opted for buses starting from the 1950s. But the trams are making their come-back even in Paris and its suburbs. For me, they are a part of the animation and the atmosphere of a city.
I was born in Murmansk, a Russian city with the northernmost trolleybus system in the world. I also remember the trolleybus ride in Tallinn, which was on 2 August 2017. The trolleybus type was the same as at 5:15, but with number 344 and on line 5.
In São Paulo (Brazil) there is also a trolleybus system, especially in the central region and in the eastern part of the city. Some of them have autonomous gait. On route 2290 you are having a detour and are using batteries.
I see why people call the cables ugly. In a busy street like a commercial street in London they would actually be a welcome sight, but not between those cute houses in Brno, Czechia.
In Vancouver BC Canada, the trolley buses go through switches at 8 km/hr and intersections with overhead at 15 km/hr to prevent overhead damage and/or pulling the overhead down.
Well New Zealand joined the “no trolleybuses” group in 2017, when the Wellington Regional Council claimed it would cost $50 million (NZ) to renew the overhead, but never produced any figures to back their claim. The buses themselves were only seven to eight years old, and in very good order. As the city of Wellington is very hilly, trolleys were ideal on the hill routes. The Regional council said we are replacing all the diesel buses with battery-electric buses over the next few years. It is now 2024, and only about a third of the Wellington bus fleet is battery-electric. Chris Laidlaw was the Chairman of the Regional Council at the time. I wonder what his interests were in stopping the trolleys?
Yes, the trolleybuses in Zirmunu g are very fast, particularly past Tuskulenu p, Minties and Siaures Miestelis. The road is very straight and generally quite fast. It gets a bit slower after the round concrete paminklas.
Trolleys are actually much more nimble than regular busses. They have great acceleration, less need to switch gears and offer smooth ride when in top speed. The city only needs to maintain the roads very well, because the trolleys are much more sensitive to bumps and damaged sections. Too much vibrations may cause them to lose wire connection, forcing the driver to either switch to battery mode or go outside to reconnect.
Here in Budapest, the hilly part of the city (Buda) has no trolleybuses, but instead, bus lines like 29 are suffering to start from the stops that are placed on the steep parts, drivers are flooring the buses but they still go like 15 until the end of the steep part... 29 could be better as a trolleybus, since they can start really powerful even on steep parts, and it sure is more efficient to use trolleybuses and start easier than flooring the Citaro (diesel bus, runs a lot on 29) and still suffering to get to 15 km/h
There were stories in UK back.in.the late fifties and early sixties, that certainly in London, a trolleybus would and often could, burn off an E type Jag from a standing start. Admittedly the Jag would soon catch it up, but whereas even a sports car has to build up its speed, the trolleybus's is all there, all the time, ready to go. Not sure how true it was, but I see no reason why it wasn't possible. And after seeing this, it could probably be even more true today. Perhaps a challenge for Mr May and Mr Clarkson? Lol.
Bet turbūt rečiau važiuoja taip greitai Kaune, arba nuo vairuotojo priklauso, nes kiek matau, tinklas yra modernizuojamas, bet dauguma važiuoja kaip ankščiau, arba tiesiog retas atvėjis, kad taip greitai važiuoja. Visgi aš manau, kad tai yra geras pavyzdys, kad troleibusai gali būti greiti.
Tai vairuotojai tikrai pripratę važiuoti lėtai arba minimaliai greičiau . Bet nauji vairuotojai važiuoja šiek tiek greičiau . Aišku reikia apmokyti vairuotojus arba informuoti apie atnaujinta vietą.
This is not new. As a kid, I lived in North London near the steep Highgate Hill. I saw (and rode on) double-deck trolleybuses overtaking cars on the way up. By the way, this route was converted to diesel buses (which didn't have the pace) in 1960. and the trolleybuses dated back to the late 1930s.
Old style 0verHead creates NEEDLESS TURNING CHOKEPOINTS, apart from those created by othet causes. Trolly Bus shines in any Hilly areas, that motor buses forced to crawl up in low gear, and pure battery buses over drain. Modern combination TBs can use use Charge In Motion too permit routes that have lengthy 15 - 20 KM Wire Gaps in routes, but can be run all day due to CIM on each trip. The CIM system means no wires in Historic section, or residential area or highways. Battery operation also eliminated Tram crossing complication. Incidentally, one problem with Diesel buses TBs tint have is ROAD KNUCKLIN. Smooth electric acceleration from stops doesn't do it, but GEAR SHIFTING on motor buses leaving stops created a series of bumbs and depressions, resembling knuckes of hand
i know many will disagree with me, but some new trolleybus designs look absolutely dumb, attempting to look like a tram. It's trying to pander to those who don't know much about public transport so they can sell the idea of "trackless trams".
During Soviet era trolleybuses were slow due to constant electricity shortages in the Eastern block. But that was long ago and those times are already gone :) Anyway, great vid, those VanHool things from Austria look a little bit weird :P
Theres newer trolleybuses in Vilnius that has UNDU sign in their newer trolleybuses If you find a trolleybus with no UNDU sign. UNDU still owns it. It just a older model Those two trolleybuses routes that Has UNDU signs in it (if you find other route that has a UNDU sign in trolleybus using that route let me know)
While electric traction is a must, it would be better to use a electric bus over a trolly bus if the tech is a available. Trolly buses just have alot of overhead for what they are, all the maintenance and overhead of a tram with the chasis of a bus. The capacity of a light rail system is taken away, and the rote flexibility of a bus is also lost.
Flaw of electric buses is their cost - bateries will have limited life expectation, and they can triple the cost of vehicle. Plus during crash, if the batery gets damaged, the vehicle is totaled. I think there are trolleybuses with a battery system, which can go several kilometers without trolley, and then recharge from it. That solves the route flexibility issue you mentioned. I think Prague uses this technology (on very small scale as trams are historicaly dominant there). Theoreticaly this allows to enter historic centers without cables, or easily cross trainline/tramline, or even go on highway sections where trolleys are impossible to build.
@@Pyrochemik007 Most newer Swiss Trolleys have small batteries to bridge parts without overhead wires. I accidentally live right next to such a trolley bus line.
While they require infrastructure to support them, in the long run, trolleys are probably cheaper and more environmentally friendly to run than electric buses. At least right now, the situation may change in the future.
Seattle has repeatedly had industry based audits claim that diesels would be cheaper, only to have an actually independent audit show the trolley busses are nearly 25% cheaper than diesels taking all costs into account. Not to mention the additional savings in health costs thanks to lower emissions. Only trams can beat trolley busses, and that's only the case on very busy routes.
Trolleybuses are obviously not slow. Looking at their schedule where they share road with regular buses shows very clearly they don't take more time than buses in the same route.
Is it just to make up for the lack of any spoken comment that you have the sound of the busses (and all other vehicles) turned up to such unrealistic levels?
One thing I don't like about trolleybuses are those ugly electrical lines above ground, at least in Poland. In case of trams they are more tidy and don't stick out. As long as I like trolleybuses as a transport mean, those line nets are polluting the view. In Poland we got three major cities where you can encounter them: Lublin, Tychy, Gdynia and Sopot (the last two come together as the Tricity with Gdańsk so I count them as one) and they are equally ruining how they look for me.
The fact that troleybuses share roads with other traffic is both an advantage (no need to lay track) and disadvantage (congestion). I think that their days are numbered, though, at least in new installations: they will be replaced by the combination of tram/light rail where it makes sense, and battery electric buses (the same thing as troleybuses, but without the need for catenary, with overhead charging contact or wireless charging at some stops).
@@bazoo513 gdynia is planning to expand in the small cities around the main one (and a bigger one too) and they are already doing progress. They are even starting to make lines without overhead wires and put trolleybuses in crowded lines during rush hour
@@user-df3ty8ei2u Interesting. So, the troleybuses used there are actually battery powered with charging from the catenary where available? That's more or less what I was saying - battery electric buses where tram/light rail is not practical or is too expensive, with some kind of convenient charging system.
@@bazoo513 kind of, but they also can charge when you brake/slow down when using the overhead wires. then its 30/40 km of range without using wires. and in Poland they are both registered as buses and trolleybuses (only the ones with 30km range I think) but of course you can still use it without having the batteries charged, with the wires. If you found this interesting and wanna know more search for "gdynia super trolleybuses" (as they call them here)
@@user-df3ty8ei2u Mine was the first upvote of this interesting presentation: th-cam.com/video/9hqkX3X3uP0/w-d-xo.html I see that Gdynia system with range extended trolleybuses, supercapacitor banks in substations etc is considered interesting pretty widely - I found many articles online. With ~30km of off-grid range they are exactly what I had in mind. I really don't get why would anyone consider such a system "old-fashioned" or "obsolete" - perhaps a reflex reaction "if it was used in Soviet times, it cannot be any good", which, of course, is ridiculous.
In my city they had trolleybusses in the past, but the oil lobby pushed those out and now we have serious air pollution issues -- not to mention its effect on climate change.
@@MrGintaras It gets worse, now they make a PR-stunt to push for battery busses, which cause serious environmental pollution and waste plenty of clean water. But I guess, most people don't care, when the pollution happens in the global south, but then they are appalled, when people emigrate from said south all the sudden. 🙄
You should visit Italian trolleybus systems next Some cities have lots of old vehicles while other networks are relatively new I really suggest visiting Milan, as it's the most diverse trolleybus network in Italy, with 7 different models spanning 7 generations of trolleybuses.
Yeah, it's really unpredictable especially when the government doesn't have a clue on what to do next with restrictions Which is a bummer, considering that Modena and Parma already withdrew their old trolleybuses while the lockdown was in place. So yeah, it is suggested to hurry up and see them all, but I really don't know when will foreigners be allowed to travel to Italy again
@@anfsabc_busotto I plan to travel during the summer if this is possible without quarantine as it will significantly shorten the list of my planned cities to visit
Isn't it difficult to operate a trolleybus? I think it's amazing that it can't get off the overhead wire even though it don't have rails and it's feet are free.
Most trolleybuses can also operate wire free where it needs to so for eg. When it goes into the historic city center or a place that isn’t served that frequently
@@MrGintaras I am sorry, I just meant that Sofia's trolleybus network is not very fast. This is because of the type of switches that are used. At some places the vehicles have to slow down to around 10 km/h! I'm sorry, I didn't want to offend you. I'll watch them right now.
They're much quiter than trams. Here in Scandinavia, we should really consider trolleybuses. A lot of buses on diesel here, although switching to biofuels is progressing rapidly. Seems like electric buses in the inner cities would do wonders for air quality, athough road particulates would still persist. One advantage of trams, possibly.
@@موسى_7 What I'm referring to is that rubber tires, as opposed to train wheels, whip up particles from the road surface which become airborne and end up in people's lungs.
@@user-df3ty8ei2u True but based on the much lower rolling resistance of steel wheels on track, I think they would produce much less particulates than fast-wearing rubber tires on tarmac. Just an uninformed guess though.
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For those who care for environmental issues, Trolleybuses are the best. I'd say more than electric buses on battery. ( when you know how is battery made of ).
There is currently a shortage of batteries in the world and the price of electronic buses is rising
Some trolleybuses still have lithium ion batteries so what you said is not that true. Others also have diesel engines in case of outages
@@user-df3ty8ei2u sure but you may have noticed I never said 'perfect'.
@@lionec226 yea, so?
@@user-df3ty8ei2u so I'm not wrong.🤷🏻♂️
I had a friend who was a bus mechanic in Vancouver BC. He could always tell when the trolley bus drivers had been racing, since the motor brushes would be heavily arced. Usually took place in the wee wee hours between the bus and some kid in a muscle car. The kids were always shocked at the massive instant torque these buses could create from the 550v wires!
600v
@@Wpdhsx must've been facilitating whistleblowing...
Busses in this video operate under 600 V or 750 V. And they have asynchronous (induction, brushless) motors. Solaris Trollino 15 (the world's only 15 metres nonarticulated trolleybus, you can see it at time 11:33) has a 175 kW six-pole asynchronous motor with a torque of 4500 Nm.
@@rykmat2542 It is not only in the world, škoda 28tr is also 15m long trolleybus
But isn't the solrais 15 and skoda 28tr the same thing
On hills Trolley buses give formula 1 performance that beat any diesel bus. Pollution free, and also the advantage that on route extensions duo vehicles do not need new overhead. Electric traction at its best. Thank you for the video.
You don't need to be on hills. Just give it some distance between the stops and a clean road.
Yes, IT Is in thé technical power in electric motors, what Is ideally componed fór thé vehicles. Matematický power Is combination od thé visit And force. In the everyday regulared power in thé Hills Slow visit generare more force in thé rotor And car have more force. In Otto And Diesel motorest IT Is NOT And driver must change thé feat gtade! In this fact Trolleybus Is BETTEER to formule F1 in accelerate feom all stations And stop points!!!
Trolleybus can still make pollution, but less than battery buses. But I agree, trolleybuses are better than battery buses, trolley buses are generally better for the environment.
Exactly th-cam.com/video/iTd_jkR_mgA/w-d-xo.html
I assume they are the best form of public transport for hilly areas. I used to live near Lausanne, Switzerland and they are used there and the whole city seems to be in a huge hill
Seattle, Wa still have the trolley buses. They’re not getting rid of it anytime soon. They are great for the hills. They accelerate fast going uphill!
Think trolleybuses make engineering sense for the Nat'l University of Singapore (NUS)'s shuttle buses too, given it's rugged terrain (the main campus is built on Kent Ridge). Only possible challenges I can think of is justifying the cost of the overhead wires (since bus utilisation drops sharply during weekends and university vacation (Dec & mid May-Aug)) & figuring out how to maintain the buses (the diesel shuttle buses we currently have are serviced off-site at the operator's (ComfortDelgro) HQ some ~10km away, and extending the overhead wires to there probably won't be cost effective) but given how far away the HQ is (& thus the length of dead mileage needed by the buses to go there for servicing) & the substantial fleet size of the buses (32x), I guess there can be enough justification to set up on-site maintenance facilities too (also as trolley buses have simpler drivetrains than diesel buses)
Yes, i write IT in aby other answer, DC electric motors have ideally componed Force avd visit , matematically P = F x v, thé in all mountains they have many force, when all diesel! And those do not eat aby oxygen, what Is on thé mountains problém fór diesel. I hope Good future fór trolleybuses. And with dually trolley And battery power iare still more using.
@@lzh4950 Battery backups are good enough these days that they can easily propel the trolleybus over the 10km needed to get to the maintenance facility
@@lzh4950 Trolleybuses can have small batteries for going into the depot or other routes. Can be charged while driving on trolley wires.
That is actually, why some hilly cities chose trolleys over trams.
If you show this to the Moscow mayor he'll have a heart attack
yes
If you research MOSCOW situation where largest TB system in world eliminated. All regular service TBs were less than 8 years old. See articles on internet about Moscow corruption.
Sao Paulo (Brazil) desatictived half TB system
@@albertbenajam4751 И правильно сделали! Через 5 лет будете только на электробусах ездить
LMAO
What a great video! You made your point...
It's a shame trolley-buses are sometimes seen as old-tech; this selection shows that's not true. I've heard it said that they are limited to the wires, so are inflexible, but that's not true for new trolley+battery buses. In any case, sticking to the wires is great in at least one way - you know it's not going to divert from the route (e.g. late at night). And people like trolley-buses! I think the main disadvantage is political - companies and city councils will not save up for replacement of wiring etc., but wait until someone (the European Commission etc.) will give them a dollop of money to do it - otherwise they scrap the system.
Big thanks! Exactly said.
Please don't permit them to scrap it, especially if they're just going to replace them with diesel or gas powered buses.
Didn't know there are these even longer double-articulated trolleybuses out there in this world before I saw this. Thanks for uploading.
Love it
The double-articulated ones are indeed impressive to watch. I see the Hess model in Bern regularly on my commute. They have almost the same capacity as the trams.
The double-articulated buses are a sight to behold. Really cool feats of engineering, and their impressive capacity is absolutely welcome to the commuter. Combine that without overhead wires and they're a wonderful transit addition to any city.
Trolleybuses in Linz look like as trams.
Insane.
Eastern European bus drivers go Mach10. It's in their blood, when I worked for Translink I also went mach 10, but so did almost everyone else. Only problem with new trolleys is they govern out at 60km/h or lower, older ones you could do 75 downhill.
Yeah exactly. I’m from Hungary and I ride trolleybuses regularly. In some sections they accelerate from standstill to 70 km/h in seconds and then brake hard for the next station, and the stations are spaced 300 meters apart.
Translink BC?
I remember being quite curious about the trolleybus wires and how they worked. They look quite cool
Its an absolute scandal that some cities are getting rid of trolley buses in favour of battery buses, when we all know the dangers involved with batteries as well as reduced efficiency at extreme temperatures.
I wish we had more of these in the U.S. It seems like it would be a cost-effective way to tackle a lot of our transit and environmental issues that integrates well with our existing infrastructure.
man trolleybuses are so cool, we have them here in the US in Philadelphia. There used to be a lot more routes that ran them but a lot have been replaced by diesel over the years.
Best video on trolleybuses in TH-cam...I love trolleybuses
Thank you so much!
Last year when i was in Lublin, Poland it was so much fun to see Trollino 18 was faster than BMW when the lights has changed from red to green:D The face of the driver was speachless haha:D
Nice video :) Here in Lublin trolleybuses move with considerable speed especially when going back to bus depot without passengers :p
Oh yes, on the way home you need to get back to the park as soon as possible. It’s a shame in my city, even when we drive to the park, we have to stop at schedules.
@@MrGintaras Here we have some "linie zjazdowe" - exit lines when going back to the depot, also for trolleybuses, but not every vehicle realises it. I often see buses and trolleybuses with no line sign on display or with "zjazd do zajezdni" - "on the way to depot" in the city going fast ;)
@@TheCzolgista123 Szkoda że nie spotykane jest to w Gdyni lub Sopocie.
Nie wiem jak w Tychach ale jeżeli są przystanki przy bazach autobusowych czy nawet zajezdniach tramwajowych (np. w Gdańsku do Nowego Portu linia chyba 6 właśnie jedzie do zajezdni) to czemu nie tak? Może to służyć jako linia ekspresowa na żądanie.
@@MrRatchet12661 w gdyni są linie zjazdowe (710 i 723)
Thanks for the video. I love trolley buses! They're eco-friendly and quiet. I'm sure that my opinion here is most unusual, but I actually like the overhead wires, particularly in suburban tree lined streets; I suspect that the wires suggest ("unconsciously" to me ) that the city iwhich operates the trolley bus network is "advanced", having good educational, health and cultural facilities. In New Zealand, where trolley buses were found in most cities in the middle of the 20th century, Wellington was the last city to cease operating them in 2017. In South Africa, trolley busses opearted in Cape Town, Pretoria, Durban and Johannesburg which was the last city in the country to end trolley bus operations in the late 80s.
Really a shame these went away. Trolleybuses are very ecological
I think, it's very good idea to do this video, to see the recently and speed trolleybus !
Thank you.
And from different countries and cities
When it comes to mobility, the level of sustainability goes like this:
1)electric train (the most sustainable)
2) electric tram/streetcar
3) trolleybus
4) diesel train 5) electric bus 6) normal bus etc..
Trolleybuses come off 3rd! These wonderful machines deserve more attention!!
For big cities with traffic,trolleybuses are actually better than regular busses(im not talking about zero emissions of CO2)
As trolleybuses have better acceleration
Really yes! Many European cities are planning to build a trolleybus network from 0, or replace buses with trolleybuses
They also are better for uphill ride.
For big cities with traffic trams are being used ;)
Hallo, more od thé cities have aby trolleybus lines more 100 years And they was still modernised. And when thé concrently city publicista transport systems take to peoples good And often connecting, them they must NOT také own car. And in this fact easr cities in the Europa was better. And I know cities, where Oldřich trolley systems was destroyed And after many years thats was built AGAIN!
@@jakubadamczyk1523 Prague builds both new tram and partial trolley bus routes. Prague lies in a system of canyons so there are a lot of steep hill climbs that destroy batteries in battery buses and are too steep for trams so there are overhead wires an absolute necessity.
This is the *EPIC* content I watch youtube for!
Thanks for the upload *Gintaras*
Big thank you , Tigrovica!
Found you again, by the trolleybusses
@@I_drink_cocoa_with_rum I cannot feel safe under any comment section now xd
Do you want a second part : Trolleybus is not slow? 😏
Sure! Please also cover smaller cities like Nancy, Limoges or Biel-Bienne
Nope, it is slow.
@@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter it means busses also are slow
@@MrGintaras yeah, especially if they don't have any dedicated lines.
Wow. It's always a great pleasure to watch your videos. And you've visited and filmed so many cities! Thanx for your proffesional work at these materials.
Huge thank you!
Europe never gave up its trams and trolleybuses unlike here in Scotland. Yes, trams are back but, only in Edinburgh and limited at that. We do now have battery buses.
I would love to see the old trams making a comeback even trolleybuses and those ones in Switzerland look more like trains than buses.
Excellent video to show the advantages of trolleybuses in many aspects of view. Based on my personal experience, the worst are the obsolete, not properly maintained or installed overhead wires, switches and crossings. Running a modern trolleybus under these circumstances would defeat all positive aspects. There are still places where this is visible and where the modern overhead technologies originated in Switzerland did not find its place.
Nice video) Watched with pleasure)
I have always appreciated the trolleybuses and tramways. The city I was born in, Saint-Étienne (in France) have always kept them meanwhile other French cities opted for buses starting from the 1950s. But the trams are making their come-back even in Paris and its suburbs. For me, they are a part of the animation and the atmosphere of a city.
I wish there were trolleybusses in the UK
I was born in Murmansk, a Russian city with the northernmost trolleybus system in the world. I also remember the trolleybus ride in Tallinn, which was on 2 August 2017. The trolleybus type was the same as at 5:15, but with number 344 and on line 5.
I visited Tallinn in 2018
Murmansk is the "Northernmost Everything" of the world. XD
In Malatya city in Turkey, TRAMBÜS (Trolleybus) the test because they are going-to 70% faster than the highway.
It would be interested to see!
gorgeous trolleybuses
In São Paulo (Brazil) there is also a trolleybus system, especially in the central region and in the eastern part of the city. Some of them have autonomous gait. On route 2290 you are having a detour and are using batteries.
Great, Maybe I will visit this distant land in the future
Nice to see my hometown Linz in a video!
I see why people call the cables ugly. In a busy street like a commercial street in London they would actually be a welcome sight, but not between those cute houses in Brno, Czechia.
Interesting definition of cute you got there
El trolebus es un magnífico sistema de transporte. Muy buen vídeo Saludos. 👍👏👏👏👋👋
Muchas gracias! Espero que en el futuro sea más fácil viajar a España en unos años!
In Vancouver BC Canada, the trolley buses go through switches at 8 km/hr and intersections with overhead at 15 km/hr to prevent overhead damage and/or pulling the overhead down.
Damn thats slow af. In my eastern european city they just go full speed thru it
Yeee minimum 30-35km/h
very interesting and super video!
Thank you!
Awman, I recognized so many models we have/had! Amazing!
Anyway the limit is 60-65 km/h. The speed of passing special sections (switches, intersections) is more important.
The most important thing is that the speed is close to the speed of the bus
@@MrGintaras Buses can break the rules and move faster than the permitted speed.
@@samantos depends where you live.
There are many areas with speed limits in Kyiv: slopes (steeps & gently), overpasses or slopes by overpasses.
You forgot about the Russia((( in Saint Petersburg we have trolleybuses that can actually move like a bus (i can give you a link)
Would be interested to see. I hope infuture visit some Russian cities , then it will be possible.
@@MrGintaras ok then, here is a small video (btw, these trolleybuses have a very satisfying sound to hear) th-cam.com/video/CcxcZEdYPAY/w-d-xo.html
2:31 typical sound of Czech TB accelerating - I like it
Oh ye missing this sound. Video from 2018
I remember Canadian trollies taking thrice as long at negotiating junctions than similar fleets did around CRAZILY hilly Frisco...
I love Brno, i love our very old old old OLD trolleybuses :)
Well New Zealand joined the “no trolleybuses” group in 2017,
when the Wellington Regional Council claimed it would cost $50 million (NZ) to renew the overhead, but never produced any figures to back their claim. The buses themselves were only seven to eight years old, and in very good order. As the city of Wellington is very hilly, trolleys were ideal on the hill routes.
The Regional council said we are replacing all the diesel buses with battery-electric buses over the next few years. It is now 2024, and only about a third of the Wellington bus fleet is battery-electric.
Chris Laidlaw was the Chairman of the Regional Council at the time. I wonder what his interests were in stopping the trolleys?
Very interesting vid as usual,i can travel without moving.
Yes, the trolleybuses in Zirmunu g are very fast, particularly past Tuskulenu p, Minties and Siaures Miestelis. The road is very straight and generally quite fast. It gets a bit slower after the round concrete paminklas.
Thank you guy for video!
Trolleys are actually much more nimble than regular busses. They have great acceleration, less need to switch gears and offer smooth ride when in top speed. The city only needs to maintain the roads very well, because the trolleys are much more sensitive to bumps and damaged sections. Too much vibrations may cause them to lose wire connection, forcing the driver to either switch to battery mode or go outside to reconnect.
in most Europe cities on wire parts can move about 30-50km/h (wire crossing , wire swiches)
Nice 👍
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Nice video like and subscribed from Czech Republic 🙂👍👍
Thank you , i realy hope in the summer again come back in Czech Republic!
Here in Budapest, the hilly part of the city (Buda) has no trolleybuses, but instead, bus lines like 29 are suffering to start from the stops that are placed on the steep parts, drivers are flooring the buses but they still go like 15 until the end of the steep part... 29 could be better as a trolleybus, since they can start really powerful even on steep parts, and it sure is more efficient to use trolleybuses and start easier than flooring the Citaro (diesel bus, runs a lot on 29) and still suffering to get to 15 km/h
There were stories in UK back.in.the late fifties and early sixties, that certainly in London, a trolleybus would and often could, burn off an E type Jag from a standing start.
Admittedly the Jag would soon catch it up, but whereas even a sports car has to build up its speed, the trolleybus's is all there, all the time, ready to go.
Not sure how true it was, but I see no reason why it wasn't possible.
And after seeing this, it could probably be even more true today.
Perhaps a challenge for Mr May and Mr Clarkson? Lol.
Belfast missed an opportunity with the Gliders!
Trolleybus should have their own dedicated lane like BRT, plus, it has "trolley" in it
Bet turbūt rečiau važiuoja taip greitai Kaune, arba nuo vairuotojo priklauso, nes kiek matau, tinklas yra modernizuojamas, bet dauguma važiuoja kaip ankščiau, arba tiesiog retas atvėjis, kad taip greitai važiuoja.
Visgi aš manau, kad tai yra geras pavyzdys, kad troleibusai gali būti greiti.
Tai vairuotojai tikrai pripratę važiuoti lėtai arba minimaliai greičiau . Bet nauji vairuotojai važiuoja šiek tiek greičiau . Aišku reikia apmokyti vairuotojus arba informuoti apie atnaujinta vietą.
@@MrGintaras na, bet tikėkimės, kad dauguma vairuotojų važiuos žymiai greičiau greitu metu.
This is not new. As a kid, I lived in North London near the steep Highgate Hill. I saw (and rode on) double-deck trolleybuses overtaking cars on the way up. By the way, this route was converted to diesel buses (which didn't have the pace) in 1960. and the trolleybuses dated back to the late 1930s.
I hope one day trolleybus will back
Old style 0verHead creates NEEDLESS TURNING CHOKEPOINTS, apart from those created by othet causes.
Trolly Bus shines in any Hilly areas, that motor buses forced to crawl up in low gear, and pure battery buses over drain. Modern combination TBs can use use
Charge
In
Motion
too permit routes that have lengthy 15 - 20 KM Wire Gaps in routes, but can be run all day due to CIM on each trip. The CIM system means no wires in Historic section, or residential area or highways. Battery operation also eliminated Tram crossing complication.
Incidentally, one problem with Diesel buses TBs tint have is ROAD KNUCKLIN. Smooth electric acceleration from stops doesn't do it, but GEAR SHIFTING on motor buses leaving stops created a series of bumbs and depressions, resembling knuckes of hand
i know many will disagree with me, but some new trolleybus designs look absolutely dumb, attempting to look like a tram. It's trying to pander to those who don't know much about public transport so they can sell the idea of "trackless trams".
But you can’t deny they look way better and hella cooler than a normal boxy design right?
The first one just straight up looks like a tram💀
Beautiful 👍
Thank you
Very good video, like !
Thank you 🙂
Like the video very much .Hope there more .Take care
Thank you! I look forward to visiting new cities
During Soviet era trolleybuses were slow due to constant electricity shortages in the Eastern block. But that was long ago and those times are already gone :)
Anyway, great vid, those VanHool things from Austria look a little bit weird :P
Why are all the trolleybuses in eastern Europe?
Thet are not fast.... Move very slow
Because ussr thought they were cool and other countries did aswell
Because it was a cheap alternative to trams for cities that were on a hella tight budget
@@CreatorPolar yeah makes sense
Theres newer trolleybuses in Vilnius that has UNDU sign in their newer trolleybuses
If you find a trolleybus with no UNDU sign. UNDU still owns it. It just a older model
Those two trolleybuses routes that Has UNDU signs in it (if you find other route that has a UNDU sign in trolleybus using that route let me know)
While electric traction is a must, it would be better to use a electric bus over a trolly bus if the tech is a available. Trolly buses just have alot of overhead for what they are, all the maintenance and overhead of a tram with the chasis of a bus. The capacity of a light rail system is taken away, and the rote flexibility of a bus is also lost.
Flaw of electric buses is their cost - bateries will have limited life expectation, and they can triple the cost of vehicle. Plus during crash, if the batery gets damaged, the vehicle is totaled. I think there are trolleybuses with a battery system, which can go several kilometers without trolley, and then recharge from it. That solves the route flexibility issue you mentioned. I think Prague uses this technology (on very small scale as trams are historicaly dominant there). Theoreticaly this allows to enter historic centers without cables, or easily cross trainline/tramline, or even go on highway sections where trolleys are impossible to build.
Trolleys have batteries. My city has 40Km lithium ion ones
@@Pyrochemik007 Most newer Swiss Trolleys have small batteries to bridge parts without overhead wires. I accidentally live right next to such a trolley bus line.
While they require infrastructure to support them, in the long run, trolleys are probably cheaper and more environmentally friendly to run than electric buses. At least right now, the situation may change in the future.
Seattle has repeatedly had industry based audits claim that diesels would be cheaper, only to have an actually independent audit show the trolley busses are nearly 25% cheaper than diesels taking all costs into account. Not to mention the additional savings in health costs thanks to lower emissions. Only trams can beat trolley busses, and that's only the case on very busy routes.
Trolleybuses are just perfect! And fast!
Most trolleybuses go around 40mph (60km/h) which isn’t exactly fast but damn they have fast acceleration
Slow? On the contrary, it has an amazing acceleration.
7:42 my city is in the Video, I already can see, this is the best video :)
Cool, mine starts at 19:13 :D
The trolley buses seem to gallop in Szeged.
I think they made their point in the first 3 minutes. You gotta be a real trolley fan to watch the whole thing! LOL!
Niretzat Kaunas onena / Kaunas, my favourite
Trolleybuses are obviously not slow. Looking at their schedule where they share road with regular buses shows very clearly they don't take more time than buses in the same route.
Its true!
Those overhead cables are hideous tho, it still suffers from traffic issues and those accordion busses are. Nightmare for cyclists sharing the road.
2:50 thats just an tram with whells bro that looks no where near an trolleybus
That picture at 0:17 is in Brașov Romania....
Those wires fuck up the beauty of cities
Guys, I dont know how about you, but my favorite trolleybusv is škoda 14tr and 15tr.
Same
great video!
Is it just to make up for the lack of any spoken comment that you have the sound of the busses (and all other vehicles) turned up to such unrealistic levels?
Nice video
Thank you!
@@MrGintaras You're welcome!
picture from Brasov RO at the intro, but not the video :(
Brasov got modern trolleybus , but wires are very bad .
One thing I don't like about trolleybuses are those ugly electrical lines above ground, at least in Poland. In case of trams they are more tidy and don't stick out. As long as I like trolleybuses as a transport mean, those line nets are polluting the view. In Poland we got three major cities where you can encounter them: Lublin, Tychy, Gdynia and Sopot (the last two come together as the Tricity with Gdańsk so I count them as one) and they are equally ruining how they look for me.
I live in Linz
The fact that troleybuses share roads with other traffic is both an advantage (no need to lay track) and disadvantage (congestion). I think that their days are numbered, though, at least in new installations: they will be replaced by the combination of tram/light rail where it makes sense, and battery electric buses (the same thing as troleybuses, but without the need for catenary, with overhead charging contact or wireless charging at some stops).
Poland has no intention of getting rid of them. Why would they? They invested a lot of money in their systems for them to be good
@@bazoo513 gdynia is planning to expand in the small cities around the main one (and a bigger one too) and they are already doing progress. They are even starting to make lines without overhead wires and put trolleybuses in crowded lines during rush hour
@@user-df3ty8ei2u Interesting. So, the troleybuses used there are actually battery powered with charging from the catenary where available? That's more or less what I was saying - battery electric buses where tram/light rail is not practical or is too expensive, with some kind of convenient charging system.
@@bazoo513 kind of, but they also can charge when you brake/slow down when using the overhead wires. then its 30/40 km of range without using wires. and in Poland they are both registered as buses and trolleybuses (only the ones with 30km range I think) but of course you can still use it without having the batteries charged, with the wires. If you found this interesting and wanna know more search for "gdynia super trolleybuses" (as they call them here)
@@user-df3ty8ei2u Mine was the first upvote of this interesting presentation: th-cam.com/video/9hqkX3X3uP0/w-d-xo.html
I see that Gdynia system with range extended trolleybuses, supercapacitor banks in substations etc is considered interesting pretty widely - I found many articles online.
With ~30km of off-grid range they are exactly what I had in mind. I really don't get why would anyone consider such a system "old-fashioned" or "obsolete" - perhaps a reflex reaction "if it was used in Soviet times, it cannot be any good", which, of course, is ridiculous.
I remember Toronto had trolleybuses but not anymore
All the systems are nize ... but the Linz TB's are real kool .
In my city they had trolleybusses in the past, but the oil lobby pushed those out and now we have serious air pollution issues -- not to mention its effect on climate change.
saaad.......
@@MrGintaras It gets worse, now they make a PR-stunt to push for battery busses, which cause serious environmental pollution and waste plenty of clean water. But I guess, most people don't care, when the pollution happens in the global south, but then they are appalled, when people emigrate from said south all the sudden. 🙄
@@BanBootlicking money rules people ....
Якщо тролейбуси повільні, то що ж тоді швидше за них? 😲
Метро.
Some might be dual mode buses
You should visit Italian trolleybus systems next
Some cities have lots of old vehicles while other networks are relatively new
I really suggest visiting Milan, as it's the most diverse trolleybus network in Italy, with 7 different models spanning 7 generations of trolleybuses.
I have plan this year visit Milan , but still didint know how will be possible to travel in the summer
Yeah, it's really unpredictable especially when the government doesn't have a clue on what to do next with restrictions
Which is a bummer, considering that Modena and Parma already withdrew their old trolleybuses while the lockdown was in place.
So yeah, it is suggested to hurry up and see them all, but I really don't know when will foreigners be allowed to travel to Italy again
@@anfsabc_busotto I plan to travel during the summer if this is possible without quarantine as it will significantly shorten the list of my planned cities to visit
@@MrGintaras When travelling to Milan, don‘t forget the old trams (90 years old or so)!
@@flyhigh6088 Done :)
how tf does that trolley tram know how to go through a round about, when i go i feel like i’m gonna flip my car or wipe out a pedestrian
What happens when the driver takes a wrong turn?
I mean it’s pretty hard to do a wrong turn when your job is to follow the trolley wires
My PTS-12 are also Fast.
the linz ag bus in the thumbnail I like it bcs my grandpa works with these
Isn't it difficult to operate a trolleybus?
I think it's amazing that it can't get off the overhead wire even though it don't have rails and it's feet are free.
Most trolleybuses can also operate wire free where it needs to so for eg. When it goes into the historic city center or a place that isn’t served that frequently
@@CreatorPolar , Wow! It's so great‼︎ Thank you so much for your information.
Clearly you have never visited Sofia, Bulgaria.
If you watch my video list I was in Sofia in the summer of 2020, there are 3 videos from Sofia
@@MrGintaras I am sorry, I just meant that Sofia's trolleybus network is not very fast. This is because of the type of switches that are used. At some places the vehicles have to slow down to around 10 km/h! I'm sorry, I didn't want to offend you. I'll watch them right now.
@@nickzach Its ok , no problem :)
You forgot Arnhem in the Netherlands !!!!
I still have not visited this city
They're much quiter than trams. Here in Scandinavia, we should really consider trolleybuses. A lot of buses on diesel here, although switching to biofuels is progressing rapidly. Seems like electric buses in the inner cities would do wonders for air quality, athough road particulates would still persist. One advantage of trams, possibly.
Electric buses don't have particulates, not even when braking thanks to regenerative braking
@@موسى_7 What I'm referring to is that rubber tires, as opposed to train wheels, whip up particles from the road surface which become airborne and end up in people's lungs.
@@samuzamu well inhaling small iron pieces from tram wheels can't be good long term also
@@user-df3ty8ei2u True but based on the much lower rolling resistance of steel wheels on track, I think they would produce much less particulates than fast-wearing rubber tires on tarmac. Just an uninformed guess though.
@@samuzamu maybe you are right idk