Is Jalen Brunson the BEST KNICKS PLAYER since Walt Frazier? 'HELL YEAH HE IS' - Perk | First Take
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ค. 2024
- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, Kendrick Perkins and Chiney Ogwumike debate if Jalen Brunson is the best Knicks player since Walt Frazier.
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The disrespect for Patrick Ewing never ceases to amaze me smh.
we done wit the 90’s Brunson is better
@jm18803 Brunson hasn't done it long enough to be mentioned with Ewing. That's disrespectful to a Hall of Famer. You must be 18.
@@jm18803 You're weird, this has nothing to do with the 90s. Ewing is probably the top 5 players without a ring in the history of the NBA. Brunson as of now isn't even the top 5 players in the league.
I dont understand how a dude who has been to the finals twice is lower than a dude who hasnt been to the finals or Eastern Conference Finals???
The man carried the franchise through the 90's decade. As the lone star of the franchise he went to 2 NBA finals. Lost in a game 7 to the MVP of the 94 season. Arguably top 3 ever player to never win the Chip, in large part because of the MJ dominance over the East... But Brunson is better?! Sure.
Get to the finals and then they can discuss. Dont disrespect Patrick Ewing like that
Typical ESPN
Everyone so quick to claim disrespect 😂. The question is about player ability but once again you short bus riding kids bring in team achievements in the fold. Jalen Brunson is a bad mf
We need to put respect on Ewing's name. During a time when MJ ran the Eastern Conference, Ewing and the Knicks were one of the few teams able to challenge them. Dude wasn't the flashiest, but he was a warrior for the Knicks time after time.
The only team in 1993 to be up 2-0 on the Bulls.
He is the best point guard for the Knicks since Walt, but let’s not disrespect Patrick Ewing here. Patrick got his team to the finals twice and the 90’s Knicks always made some deep playoff runs, but like everyone else in that era, ran into Jordan one too many times. I think Jaylen CAN exceed Patrick, but right now he’s tied with Melo on my list for fourth. Walt, Willis reed, Patrick Ewing, Melo/Brunson
It's actually but they're trying to set a new agenda that you no longer have to win a championship anymore. To be considered one of the greatest.
@@1990758or even GET to the Finals!!!
@@1990758Ewing doesn’t have any championships either.
@@WorldwideWyatt I know that now.Tell me something I don't know. New York haven't won a championship since 1973.
You're putting Brunson ahead of Bernard King? Are you serious? This is only Brunson's second year as a full-time starting player in the NBA. He was a bench guy in Dallas!
Did Patrick Ewing die?
That’s what I’m saying
Exactly….Don’t forget about Bernard King!
Brunson is a far more skilled player than Ewing
@@BaithNa you’re like 12
No ESPN knowledge of basketball did.. it’s called delusional Disney programming 🤦🏾♂️. Ewing carried the Knicks to game 7 of the finals and they’re saying this is the Knicks closest chance since the Clyde 😆 just foolishness
So I guess Pat Ewing didn’t help go to the championship and ecf during his time stop Perk he’s even got a jersey retired just disrespectful
Exactly, but that doesn't matter anymore.They're just looking at the present.
@@1990758 idiots! those that don't know their history are doomed to repeat it thinking that they're on to something new
Strongly agree!
What I’m hearing is Oakley was a locker room cancer on the Knicks who contributed hacking, rebounding, and inconsistent shooting. Yet, he felt comfortable throwing one of the greatest Knicks of all time under the bus. Oakley was just a disgruntled passenger on the Knicks bus. Patrick Ewing deserves more respect.
He's not better than Ewing yet given longevity and deep playoff runs.
the disrespect to Bernard King and Melo is wild.
Melo did nothing for the Knicks
@@russellwestbrookyellingatw9381 That is false, he made them fun to watch
@@daveK_1999 yes fun, but I'm talking success and that's what "the best" means. I couldn't care less about Melo being fun to watch if Brunson might make multiple deep runs in the postseason with the Knicks and have his crazy stats.
Right! They just jumped passed them and straight to Frazier/Ewing. I know it’s been a long long time since the Knicks been relevant and their fans are excited again, but do baby steps 😂
Melo had his moments, but he was not that great of a Knick. I would definitely put Brunson over him.
What is with crowning people before they do anything big these days? Ant is MJ/Kobe for winning one playoff series after never talking about him for years. Now Brunson is better than Ewing (a decade of all NBA play/like 6 years of truly contending/one game short of a ring)
couldn't have said it any better all you have to do is have a good 4-6 months and your goated in today's time. both those guys you named have accomplished nothin and give them the expectations of Ewing and MJ and i believe they fold
So we just going to act like pat ewing never played basketball for the Knicks
Someone asked me last night at the bar “You think Jalen Brunson’s better than Allen Iverson?” Almost hit him over the head with my beer bottle. Knicks fans always go overboard 😂
I think he's very comparable to AI.
heard of Patrick Ewing and Bernard King?
"Tobias Harris came back with a bag full of napkins and straws" 😂
That had me dying 😂
😂😂😂
Alan Houston/ Latrell Sprewell/ Larry Johnson went to the finals in 1999
They don't get to the Finals that year without Patrick Ewing. They lost to the Spurs without Ewing. They had the same trio without Ewing two years later and did nothing. Go back to sleep.
That was our last team that actually had a chance.
And they didn't have centers , against the twin towers remember
Under Ewing the Knicks went to 4 ECFs and 2 NBA Finals. Between 1989 to 2000 the Knicks were in the 2nd round every year except 1991. Ewing has a 60 win season, 57 win season and a 55 win season. Some of the greatest defensive teams in NBA history is with Ewing in his prime.
These people are prisoners of the moment. Potential is one thing but fulfilling that potential is something entirely different. The last time the Knicks had a legitimate chance to win the NBA championship was in 1994 when Patrick and the crew needed game 6 or game 7 to close out the series (Patrick was hurt in 1999 and didn’t play against the Spurs). This current Knicks team is promising but there is no way that they represent the best chance of theKnicks winning the title since 1973. THAT IS ABSURD! No way they’re beating Boston, much less Denver (outside of a litany of injuries to both teams starting 5)!
Such a joke of a question. Are they so desperate to appoint him the new king of the city after beating the No. 7 seed? Such disrespect to one of the greatest centers to ever play the game. Terrible!
So Patrick Ewing and Carmelo Anthony doesn’t exist?
No. Not according to e s p n.
Brunson is definitely better than Melo c'mon now... Ewing took em to a finals though so that one's fair
@@jaceygaither2581 Is he better than bernard king. What about bob mcadoo.
@@jaceygaither2581Melo ecf let's calm down
Melo was not an all-time great Knick. I don't know why Melo fans think that ?
Jalen Brunson is just getting started, but woww what a stretch he’s gotten off to.
I’m seeing everybody talking about respect for Ewing which is cool but don’t forget about King. After those 2 comes Brunson right in as of now but things are still up in the air. About Melo, Brunson has already passed him. ECSF twice in 2 seasons, a thing Melo managed only once in almost 7 yrs
What is Chiney talking about. during the Patrick Ewing years the Knicks had a 10yr playoff run featuring 2 runs at a championship.
This is why ESPN needs real Knick fans on those panels🤦♂️🤣😂😂JB is not close to Pat yet. He’s getting there but he’s not Pat yet!!
i heard someone say the knicks are Jalen Brunson and 7 other dude who will die for him. and i think that pretty much sums it up
Patrick Ewing lead the Knicks to the NBA Finals. He lost to the great Hakeem Olajuwon in 1994. Saying JB is a better Knick than Pat is crazy. You would think Perk would have more respect for Ewing as a fellow Big Man. Ewing is one of the 10 greatest Centers ever. JB isn't sniffing him
If Brunson gets this team to the finals... then his NYK tenure is immediately better than Ewing's!..
Patrick may be a top 10 Center
but Brunson is more impactful based upon his position & abilities! Making other players better!
@@JiKeeY202 pat went twice. That's not enough
It's a matter of impact on the game dufus...
@jeremiahsmith7706 Patrick Ewing wasn't really a part of the 99 run he got injured... I Believe In The Heat series
You didn't mention the 99 run in your original comment either
@@JiKeeY202 he got injured during the playoffs as the starting center. Matching Ewing with 1 appearance wouldn't be enough. All the conference final appearances, the All-nba team selections, the all-star teams, etc.
OVER MELO ?!?!?!?!
Mannnn im saying
Yes.. over Melo
Melo trash, jlin did more for NY than Melo.
Ewing has over 23,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, and over 2,700 block shots. Also, all time leader in steals.
Insane on so many levels because Patrick Ewing is the greatest Knick of all time. #2 and #3, Frazier and Reed, literally played with each other (and their championship teams had 6 HOF including them). Ewing never played with another HOF, but his teams made deep runs perennially. He did the most with the least. Happy to see Brunson carrying on that torch
Frazier the greatest Knick. went to 3 finals won 2 rings in the 70's defeated Lakers Jerry West & Wilt. and is probably the best defensive guard of all time.
@@hooligan5381 disagree but respect where you’re coming from, Frazier’s #2 in my book. You put another Hall of Famer (let alone 5) with Ewing, and we’d have a chip. He did the most with the least…unfortunate, that he got injured in ‘99 and NBA screwed us in ‘97
Oakley might’ve forgot cuz he got traded in 98, that Ewing got to the NBA finals in 99, and conference finals in 2000. After Ewing got traded, what happened!?
Carmelo????
Melo ain't on that level c'mon now... Brunson has won more playoff series in 2 years than Melo did his entire time in NY. In a tougher league now too
@@jaceygaither2581it’s not tougher the Miami heat and Celtics big 4 back in 2011-2013 was way better competition than anyone in the east currently by a long shot
This whole episode has been Perk and Chiney praising the Knicks and SAS (the resident Knicks fan) dials them back a bit lol.
Allan Houston drops mic 🎤
Did ESPN forget about 1994 and 1999? Ya know, the last time the Knicks were in the finals???
The producers/playback guys at ESPN suck! SAS said he didn't want highlights, so stop playing them.
Yes
Brunson is the best since Ewing, and Ewing was the best since Frazier.
The Patrick Ewing Knicks went to the finals in 94. And went to the conference finals multiple times. I thought that these were the experts.
Again Perkins shows how he tryst to overhyped today's player over the all time greats. Disappointing
Yeah, I observed the Ewing era Knicks from up close. Watched almost all their games from TV and at MSG.
1. The Knick would have been champs if not for MJ. And on the years that he was temporarily away, Hakeem.
2. The Knicks did not parade better talent than their ultimate foes. The best player of the series was always on the other team. Yes, despite Ewing's greatness.
3. Pat WAS NOT A LEADER. In that era, it was in-your-face basketball. And the players you expected to trade elbows were Oak and Mason (RIP)
If stephen A get that phone call this year he gonna have a heart attack.
The 1993, 1994 knicks team is the best since the 70’s team!
Ewing DID carry the Knicks for years. Something is wrong with Oakley
If brunson is your franchises best player, your franchise is trash.
THIS IS WHY ESPN HAS THE WORST NBA COVERAGE. THE KNICKS . PATRICK EWING GOT THE KNICKS TO 2 NBA FINALS. JALEN BRUNSON HAS NOT GOTTEN THE KNICKS TO A CONFERENCE FINALS
Just reading the headline all I have to say is, And at Center at 7’0 feet from Georgetown number 33 Co captain Patrick Ewing
Carmelo Anthony was no scrub
He better than melo bro
@@dspbx718 hell no. He gotta win a few more series first
@@dspbx718 GTFOH Brunson is not better than Melo
@@tw7321melo in denver and in ny was just once in east semis .
@@tw7321 replace Brunson with melo in this same series with Philly and I guarantee they lose.
I love Brunson and what he's doing right now but let's pump the breaks a bit. The young fella got to accomplish a little more in a Knicks uniform before we can compare him to a man that was part of a team that gave us our last two championship victories.
People acting like melo didn’t have to face the big 3 heat prime mvp Drose Indy with pre injury Paul George & the big 3 Celtics
Melo play zero defense, that was the problem. Melo as a Knicks wasn't in the same league as Ewing and Bernard King.
@@challenger516 Exactly. Melo was not that great of a Knick.
Oh so she asked this silly question completely omitting Ewing 2 finals
Ridiculous. If Bernard King played in this no defense league, he'd average 45.
Patrick Ewing is easily above Brunson. But Brunson is easily above Melo. So my list is Clyde 1. Reed 2. Monroe 3. Ewing 4. King 5. Brunson 6. Houston 7. Melo 8.
Wow I can’t believe they would play melo and Ewing like that
Brunson has not entered the discussion for top 5 Knicks of all time. However Thibs is the 5th best Knicks coach ever.
They Played Different Positions Of Course, But Frazier Was A Better Player At PG Than Ewing Was At Center.
Ewing Was A Complete Choke Artist During The Playoffs, Frazier Was Robbed Of Finals Mvp Twice During An Era When Centers Always Received The Credit For Titles.
No he was not robbed... You can make a case for both... Reed got it... Period....
And the question is best Knicks player since Frazier....... Why are you even comparing Frazier to Reed when they are not in the convo and comparing Frazier to Ewing.... Just to hate I see
.. bye....
Sooo the 1999 knicks with Patrick Ewing, Allen Houston, Latrell sprewell,charlie ward,Chris Child wasn’t Sniffing championship? The most aside thing I’ve ever heard
Ewing got hurt though
Over Carmelo 😂😂😂
For anybody saying melo he was a pure scorer which was entertaining but it never translated to winning in reality Brunson stats are great but it’s even greater that they are winning💯‼️
Didn't Melo knicks make it to the 2nd round too🤷♂️
No bro don’t say that like melo had such an easy road and a great team in NY, NY was trash at drafting and putting ppl around Melo. Plus Bron was in the East at the time KG and Pierce it was tougher than now
This is a huge disrespect for a hall of famer Pat Ewing
Ewing: 2 NBA finals (1994, 1999)
2000 conference finals after getting injured
Playoffs every season from the 80s to 2000. What happened when Ewing left!? I won’t allow the disrespect!!!
Brunson is the best player we ever had. And if he stay healthy he's gonna hold all records and rings
Why does Malika Andrews look like Scottie Barnes
SAS is not a Knicks fan. He is a fan of big name players and the post season. If the Knicks don't give him one or both he will trash the Knicks.
Why is this a discussion. No one worries about who's the best Pacer, or best Celtics player or best 6er player.
This just programming you to only view Jalen Brunson in comparison to Knicks players to distract from the fact that he's superior to Donavan Mitchell, Damian Lillard, and having a better play series numbers than Steph Curry.
Only Michael Jordan, and Oscar Robertson had comparable performances.
Pat took us to one final and helped us get to another. I love Brunson. But you can’t just put him over Pat yet!
Ewing took the Knicks to the playoffs 15 straight years. Conference Semis 9 straight years. Best guard since Frazier? Yes. Even Marbury agrees. Best player? Not while Patrick Ewing exists. Not yet.
If brunson get this chip and finals mvp.. he be a top 2 knicks all time
Ogwumike has no idea what she is talking about 😂
The mid-90’s Knicks must have never happened in her world
Brunson is that dude, the Knicks have hit rock bottom, the only direction they can go is up, and they've got him, he makes that franchise relevant again. Not carmelo, not amare, not ewing IMO
Lol when did you start watching basketball Patrick Ewing didn't make the Knicks relevant during his era?
Y’all smoking crack if you think Jalen Brunson is even better than carmelo who’s 10th all time in scoring.
The criteria is within the Knicks accomplishments, not one vs one. Melo has been to the second round before with the Knicks.
The greatest Knick is the Captain first and foremost.
That is absolutely ridiculous!!! I have nothing but love for Brunson but Patrick Ewing is the best Knicks player since Willis Reed!!!
can we do something to make her head less shiny?
See that’s why the NBA is so stupid… it’s because of questions like that players today are great but why do they have to be always projected to be the best ever or the best in over 50 or 60 years?
LeBron, claiming to be the greatest of all time
Steph Curry claim to be the best guard of all time
Kevin Durant wants to be the greatest of all time
Kyrie Irving is the most skilled player ever
The greatest of time is Michael Jordan
The best guard is Magic Johnson
The most skilled player of all time is Hakeem Olajuwon
“Analyst“ are fanboys to the modern players just to gain access to them… Stroking their ego
Jalen Brunson is awesome. Renew my faith in the New York Knicks, but come on… it’s sad and pathetic
He is the best player since Patrick Ewing if Brunson wins a championship then he can be in a conversation in overtaking Patrick Ewing in that conversation
It also remember Patrick did everything he did with jacked up knees… They were pretty much messed up since he entered the league
Stop with the fanboy questions… it’s pathetic… Extremely pathetic
Rolando Blackman, haven't heard his name in ages
Derek Harper was better.
Knicks fans like cowboys fans
Post-Ewing, he is. Before that we still have Ewing himself and Bernard King. But Brunson is coming up. He will get there and tops, he bringing a chip to the city
Perk, ESPN’s own court jester
Perk lost his mind. I don't care if they win the championship. Brunson didn’t have to deal with Jordan and Pippen or Wade and LeBron. No he's not better than Melo or Ewing. He hasn't proven he's better than LJ, Houston and Sprewell to me.
Um, hello, Patrick Ewing and Bernard King
i get that people wanna have nostalgia for Patrick Ewing and his regular season success and deep playoff runs but like.. he’s a notorious playoff choker and so is Melo, there hasn’t been a Knick whose game has elevated in the playoffs like Brunson’s has since Walt and that’s pretty inarguable
Patrick went to the Finals twice. Getting to the Second Round isnt equal to the Finals.
Brunson hasn't made it past the first round yet and saying Patrick Ewing is a playoff choker because of a YT highlight you watched on your phone? Foh
Talking like Brunson’s won the chip. 💀
Patrick ewing? Carmelo? Bernard king. Brunson has potential to be the best knick of all time
Ewing number one. Melo and Brunson tied.
Why are the acting like Melo never played for the Knicks
If we get a ring yes if not no.
Bernard king?
I hate nba media man
Stephen A. talking like Mad Dog
Is he even better than Melo? Dude has one playoff series win and he’s the messiah ?
He won last year as well against the cavs
He is doing this without another 20ppg scorer in randle.
He has 2. Melo was good but look what Brunson is doing. That whole team is elevated .
I mean, no one expected Jalen to be THIS GREAT on this Knicks and he made the second round LAST year as well. He's been a great leader, which Melo wasn't really classified to be, he took them to the two seed this year and he's advanced past the second round twice in two years now, yet Melo only advanced once when he was on the Knicks. Got swept in 2011, got gentleman's swept in 2012 and didn't make the playoffs in NY after their second round elimination in 2013. Jalen will definitely lead them to even more playoff appearances in the next few years than Melo has AND he's just getting started. Granted, Melo was no scrub but Brunson deserves the credit. I'm not going as far to say he's better than Patrick Ewing ofc but he's definitely moved up.
Melo never did the performance Brunson di in Game 6 Brunson against Heat last year.
With a decent Randle NYC would bring game 7 at garden
This is the closest the Knicks have been to a championship since 1973? They went to the finals twice in the 90s😂😂😂😂
Well he better win a ring
Jalen got better learning from luka
I'm glad you all think Pacers are some scrubs ALREADY TALKING CELTICS U GOTTA BEAT us first with our DEEP BENCH
The Best PG since Walt for sure
Don't put jalen on the same league as walt. Maybe he'll pick up after the 2nd ring.
It amazing me how people keep hyping up Anthony Edwards when Jalen Brunson has been the best player in the playoffs a matter he have carried his team all year long 28.7 in the season and 35.5 in the playoffs shooting 48 percent fg 9 assts come on people stop looking over this assassin and give him his props. If I can do it sports media can do because I am Boston Celtics fan for life
He didnt shoot 48 in this series dont lie. Its not that dificult to average 35 points when you are shooting almost 30 times a game. First two games 8 of 26 and 8 of 29 and the nicks won both games...
@@albertovillalobosvazquez6676 point being his playing better than Edwards he haven't had a 13and 15 point game in the playoffs. Now ois that a lie and if anyone can average 35 then where is the proof boy boy
If he gets that chip wit the dip then I guess so
Is Allen Houston a joke to y'all? Brother was best Knick, probably best SG for 5 years in his prime. No joke.
The dude just won 2 first round series and then became the best Knicks. It's way too early to call him that.
How bout since Patrick Ewing and Carmelo Anthony
Do she know Patrick Ewing and the Knicks went to finals and eastern conference finals in the 90s..these are horrible analyst
The Knicks are one player away from being a legit threat.