Nice and fair video. At 18:20 of the video, you have 0.500" of recoil pad vertical adjustment plus, if you notice, the recoil plate assy is offset from top to bottom. Flipping the recoil plate upside down will provide the ability to get the recoil pad higher, allowing the shooter and rifle to get lower to the ground.
I have a matrix chassis and also like a high butt pad position. I found that you can rotate the pad 180 degrees. This raises the position 1/2-3/4”. I also built the grip up (vert-2) to provide a middle finger stop just above the bottom of the trigger guard. I found this to be much more helpful indexing my trigger finger than their finger offset.
I have an MPA BA I like the fact that they're ambidextrous. Really useful for a lefty wanting to resell. I have an MDT LSS-XL Gen ll. Nice piece of kit also. I think MPA has the better vertical grip but that is splitting hairs. Nice job but I need to rewatch, the shooting was competing with your comparison.
Dude, I have so many questions for you lol, these are the main two I’m looking at so if you could potentially get back with me, I have a lot of questions about the two stocks
A fair and balanced review, well done. The MPA equipment is built by very knowledgeable and experienced shooters that also listen to guys like you and continue to refine their products to obtain excellence. New subscriber to your channel, thanks for wearing a mic to provide clear and audible sound during your production, keep up the good work.
Great video....looks like Pala Shooting range at the 3 minute mark and then I realize I've seen you there at Pala before, then I saw my friend Sam in the background!
Now I don’t use either one. Better options out there as well as upgraded versions of both of these. I wouldn’t use these in today’s market. I’ll have an updated chassis video coming.
Hi I’ve just got the matrix pro chassis. Don’t know if this is of any interest but the MDT vertical adjust kit is a perfect fit for the MPA matrix / pro
Great video man I’ve just subscribed I have a KRG whiskey 3 gen 6 with an enclosed forend half thinking changing it too an mpa matrix which would you personally recommend? Thanks mate!
I'm running Defiance Deviant Tactical actions in McMillan A5-A stocks with Surgeon DBM and AW mags all work just fine right out of the box. No modifications/filing of anything necessary.
I've got an MPA and a MDT ACC. Honestly, I love em both. They're definitely of equal quality. I have the Gen 1 Ckye bipod and honestly despise the thing. I still use it in F-Class and LR Steel challenges, but it just isn't a solid bipod. The Gen 2 apparently fixed a ton of issues, but I am not about to buy another $500+ bipod.
I haven’t had any issues with mine. I use a double pull ckye exclusively. I know a few people don’t like the play in the legs but it just takes some getting used too. Thanks for watching tho! Really appreciate it!
Covertnoob thanks for the video! Been looking to pick one of these two guns and really still on the fence. Thanks for the review as I can't seem to find anyone else that has reviewed them. Shot the Matrix and loved it, just wondering if I am missing anything by not getting into the ACC.
There is a reason the mag well is angled. It is to you can use it as a wedge in concert with the adjustable barricade stop. You put the barricade stop on the other side of say a fence top rail then you pull that wedge down and lock it in. You can't do that with the mdt. Flip the buttpad over and you can gain more height.
Yea I mean no one really uses the MPA adjustable barricade stop. It’s just not a great solution because it promotes hard on hard contact. That’s why we use bags and use forward pressure against the bag with the magwell.
@@jesusisalive3227 lol I’ve literally only ever seen 1 person use it. 2019 mile high shootout on the XLR peg stage. That’s the last time I saw a good shooter use one. Name a top shooter that uses it. It’s just not a good system. Anything looks good in product demo videos.
@@jesusisalive3227 then keep using it. But it’s definitely not widely used. Shoot enough 2 day matches and you’ll see what top guys are actually using. And you also didn’t answer my question about naming a top national level shooter that uses the system. I’ve seen plenty of guys use stuff that doesn’t work or off the wall solutions, but it doesn’t mean it’s the best way to do it.
the MDT has the same ability to grip the rifle when lifting it up ! as far as the thumb rest MDT also has one I think MPA gave to that chassis for free if you gave them a good review Welcome to America people
This is an awesome review! Thank you. I'm deciding between the two. Can you please comment on MPA bag rider part? It certainly doesn't look as practical as the add-on you did with MDT. Thx!
You shooting competition at American Tactical Academy in Piru CA? Just wondering cause I want to come check out some matches. Maybe we can chat. Im currently building one of these Matrix chassis with an Impact action. Thanks for the review. Good stuff.
MDT sells (which you have them on your chassis on the fore-end of yours. Those external weights have “QD” holes in them for a sling to be mounted. I can see them in your video. LOL
Absolutely, but that means you have to use the weights. Or purchase a qd sling mount. I don’t want to run weights at the very front of the chassis as it’ll throw off the balance. Some people don’t want to run any exterior weights on the chassis at all. My point was in comparison to the MPA, they are built in and no additional purchase is needed.
Hey man I’m in the very beginning of wanting to start competition shooting BUT I have no idea what’s the best way to start. Budget isn’t too much of an issue. What would you recommend as a way to start shooting for competition and what equipment would you recommend?
Tomahawk Tom nice! Getting into comps is always fun. I would recommend looking for some local matches first as those are typically slower paced and more mellow than a 2-day. If you can’t find any locals, you can look at the NRL and PRS websites to see if there’s a national level match near you, but I’m sure you can find a local first. Equipment wise, for a local just make sure you have at least a 1moa rifle, a scope with dial “tactical” type turrets that’s repeatable and enough ammo. I’d also recommend a good bipod. And solid confirmed dope to at least 600y but 1000y would be preferred. Other than that just go shoot! People will let you borrow other stuff you might need.
How do you like the balance of the rifle with M24 barrel and Matrix chassis? Too heavy on the back end or just right? I’m torn between the BA ESR and Matrix.
I just wish I could afford a MPA chassis but I'd have a hard time affording an MDT chassis No questioning that a MPA chassis is as good as it gets but it's just one of those luxuries amateur shooters simply can't justify the cost
Great video. Thank you. QQ, what caliber are you shooting for hunting Elk and then for competition. I’m trying to decide on 6.5 CM vs 6.5 PRC. I’m going to be doing Elk in CO and long distance precision classes.
Why is your 12 month follow up video marked “for children?” Every time I swipe the screen down to make it a mini screen to continue browsing YT while listening to it the video stops and YT indicates that the mini player is disabled.
So you grind or adjust LITERALLY every single chassis you have to fit your AW mags?..... Bro, why not just change the mags.... Seems the obvious choice, but hey, each to their own. I use AI mags and haven't had to grind or adjust a single chassis or mag.
AW mags give you a competitive advantage. Shoot enough matches and you’ll see stages where guys are literally asking to borrow AW mags. Not sure where you’re located but if you shoot out west where it’s more natural terrain that you’re shooting off of instead of a solid metal barricade every time like the east coast then you’ll notice quickly. They’re more reliable and especially if you run BR based cases they feed much better. Not to say AI mags don’t have their place, but AWs are the top mags. Honestly if an action won’t shoot AWs I won’t use the action.
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Nice and fair video. At 18:20 of the video, you have 0.500" of recoil pad vertical adjustment plus, if you notice, the recoil plate assy is offset from top to bottom. Flipping the recoil plate upside down will provide the ability to get the recoil pad higher, allowing the shooter and rifle to get lower to the ground.
MDT also sell M-Loc/QD sling attachments that can be purchased for anything you want to attach to the rifle chassis.
I have a matrix chassis and also like a high butt pad position. I found that you can rotate the pad 180 degrees. This raises the position 1/2-3/4”. I also built the grip up (vert-2) to provide a middle finger stop just above the bottom of the trigger guard. I found this to be much more helpful indexing my trigger finger than their finger offset.
SO it raises MORE than the 1/4 inch he talks about? TO 1/2 or 3/4 inch...
I have an MPA BA I like the fact that they're ambidextrous. Really useful for a lefty wanting to resell.
I have an MDT LSS-XL Gen ll. Nice piece of kit also.
I think MPA has the better vertical grip but that is splitting hairs.
Nice job but I need to rewatch, the shooting was competing with your comparison.
Dude, I have so many questions for you lol, these are the main two I’m looking at so if you could potentially get back with me, I have a lot of questions about the two stocks
I like my MDT LSS XL gen 1 just fine and it don't need any up grades , if i was gonna change anything i'd go with the skeleton type folding butt stock
A fair and balanced review, well done. The MPA equipment is built by very knowledgeable and experienced shooters that also listen to guys like you and continue to refine their products to obtain excellence. New subscriber to your channel, thanks for wearing a mic to provide clear and audible sound during your production, keep up the good work.
This video would be better if both chassis had folding stocks or vice versa, apples to apples
I bought the mpa matrix for my bergara b14r. Your video help me with choice. Thank you!!
Great video....looks like Pala Shooting range at the 3 minute mark and then I realize I've seen you there at Pala before, then I saw my friend Sam in the background!
Which one do you prefer now? How bad is the vibration on the MDT? Which one did you shoot tighter groups with?
Now I don’t use either one. Better options out there as well as upgraded versions of both of these. I wouldn’t use these in today’s market. I’ll have an updated chassis video coming.
Hi I’ve just got the matrix pro chassis. Don’t know if this is of any interest but the MDT vertical adjust kit is a perfect fit for the MPA matrix / pro
Which kit is that?
MDT vertical adjust buttplate
@@richardmorgan7608 so you screw that buttplate into the MPA plate?
Plz do the 6 month update I’m torn between the 2
Same
Great video man I’ve just subscribed I have a KRG whiskey 3 gen 6 with an enclosed forend half thinking changing it too an mpa matrix which would you personally recommend? Thanks mate!
If you’re talking regular matrix I’d stick with the W3. If talking the matrix pro then I’d say that would be an upgrade.
Thanks for the help!
I'm running Defiance Deviant Tactical actions in McMillan A5-A stocks with Surgeon DBM and AW mags all work just fine right out of the box. No modifications/filing of anything necessary.
I've got an MPA and a MDT ACC. Honestly, I love em both. They're definitely of equal quality. I have the Gen 1 Ckye bipod and honestly despise the thing. I still use it in F-Class and LR Steel challenges, but it just isn't a solid bipod. The Gen 2 apparently fixed a ton of issues, but I am not about to buy another $500+ bipod.
I haven’t had any issues with mine. I use a double pull ckye exclusively. I know a few people don’t like the play in the legs but it just takes some getting used too. Thanks for watching tho! Really appreciate it!
Covertnoob thanks for the video! Been looking to pick one of these two guns and really still on the fence. Thanks for the review as I can't seem to find anyone else that has reviewed them. Shot the Matrix and loved it, just wondering if I am missing anything by not getting into the ACC.
There is a reason the mag well is angled. It is to you can use it as a wedge in concert with the adjustable barricade stop. You put the barricade stop on the other side of say a fence top rail then you pull that wedge down and lock it in. You can't do that with the mdt.
Flip the buttpad over and you can gain more height.
Yea I mean no one really uses the MPA adjustable barricade stop. It’s just not a great solution because it promotes hard on hard contact. That’s why we use bags and use forward pressure against the bag with the magwell.
@@Covertnoob5
You mean other than the many people who use it.
@@jesusisalive3227 lol I’ve literally only ever seen 1 person use it. 2019 mile high shootout on the XLR peg stage. That’s the last time I saw a good shooter use one. Name a top shooter that uses it. It’s just not a good system. Anything looks good in product demo videos.
@@Covertnoob5
I use mine all the time in real life.
@@jesusisalive3227 then keep using it. But it’s definitely not widely used. Shoot enough 2 day matches and you’ll see what top guys are actually using.
And you also didn’t answer my question about naming a top national level shooter that uses the system.
I’ve seen plenty of guys use stuff that doesn’t work or off the wall solutions, but it doesn’t mean it’s the best way to do it.
the MDT has the same ability to grip the rifle when lifting it up !
as far as the thumb rest MDT also has one
I think MPA gave to that chassis for free if you gave them a good review
Welcome to America people
Lmfao you’re an idiot if you believe that.
This is an awesome review! Thank you. I'm deciding between the two. Can you please comment on MPA bag rider part? It certainly doesn't look as practical as the add-on you did with MDT. Thx!
I’m trying to find a AICS chassis but can’t find any sucks they discontinued
Do you mean the awp version? Classic thumbhole. CS go look.
Awesome review man, it really helped me come to a decision as far as which one I wanted go with
Which did you go with and why? Are you happy any regrets??? Thanks
Bow that you have more time behind it how do you like it? I just put a deposit on a 6gt build with the matrix chassis
If I could subscribe twice I would. Great review and I like your realistic approach. Keep content coming!
Thanks for watching!
More on the bag rider that you put on the stock. How you made it, where you got the materials, and price. Thank you
He just used the bagrider made by KRG. I did something similar with an MPA bagrider on my ACC.
You shooting competition at American Tactical Academy in Piru CA? Just wondering cause I want to come check out some matches. Maybe we can chat. Im currently building one of these Matrix chassis with an Impact action. Thanks for the review. Good stuff.
MDT sells (which you have them on your chassis on the fore-end of yours. Those external weights have “QD” holes in them for a sling to be mounted. I can see them in your video. LOL
Absolutely, but that means you have to use the weights. Or purchase a qd sling mount. I don’t want to run weights at the very front of the chassis as it’ll throw off the balance. Some people don’t want to run any exterior weights on the chassis at all. My point was in comparison to the MPA, they are built in and no additional purchase is needed.
How did you decide on buttstock for the MDT? Is there some rigidity issues with the folding stock?
I wish I some day I can own one of those scopes but they are like 6k
Lol try half that
I have an AT with a thumbhole kit and love it. Does the Matrix feel as good?
Hey man I’m in the very beginning of wanting to start competition shooting BUT I have no idea what’s the best way to start. Budget isn’t too much of an issue. What would you recommend as a way to start shooting for competition and what equipment would you recommend?
Tomahawk Tom nice! Getting into comps is always fun. I would recommend looking for some local matches first as those are typically slower paced and more mellow than a 2-day.
If you can’t find any locals, you can look at the NRL and PRS websites to see if there’s a national level match near you, but I’m sure you can find a local first.
Equipment wise, for a local just make sure you have at least a 1moa rifle, a scope with dial “tactical” type turrets that’s repeatable and enough ammo. I’d also recommend a good bipod. And solid confirmed dope to at least 600y but 1000y would be preferred. Other than that just go shoot! People will let you borrow other stuff you might need.
Thank you for sharing your informative video
How do you like the balance of the rifle with M24 barrel and Matrix chassis? Too heavy on the back end or just right? I’m torn between the BA ESR and Matrix.
Great video!
The extwrior weights should function as QD-Mounts
I just wish I could afford a MPA chassis but I'd have a hard time affording an MDT chassis
No questioning that a MPA chassis is as good as it gets but it's just one of those luxuries amateur shooters simply can't justify the cost
I do love your videos !!!
Very informative, thanks!
Very well said
will both of those chassis fit an aftermarket drop in trigger system for the CZ 455
My hunting rifles sitting at 7 lbs loaded. 😂 14 is a notocable difference even if your used to it
Absolutely, but I don't mind. I've taken a 20lbs gun hunting before. Not the most fun, but a lot of people hunt with 12-16lbs guns.
What Caliber do you run in it
Nicely done
Hey am looking for the name of part that fold the buttstock I have the same chassis MDT ACC on a savage 110 elite. Pls can you tell me the name thx.
I don’t remember the name but you have to order the entire folding buttstock it’s not just a hinge or 1 part
What color is the MPA chassis?
Great vid. You got my sub.
What color are the chassis
Great video. Thank you. QQ, what caliber are you shooting for hunting Elk and then for competition. I’m trying to decide on 6.5 CM vs 6.5 PRC. I’m going to be doing Elk in CO and long distance precision classes.
6.5 PRC for hunting and 6BR for matches.
I liked the comparison but the inlay video was very distracting and saw no purpose for it....... what was the point of it?
Does the stock lock when fully collapsed?
I was plain disappointed with my ACC. Grip came loose all the time and just was not a fan. Sold it pretty quickly.
Why is your 12 month follow up video marked “for children?” Every time I swipe the screen down to make it a mini screen to continue browsing YT while listening to it the video stops and YT indicates that the mini player is disabled.
Thanks for that! Just switched it. Should hopefully work now!
How to got folding stock for acc ?
So you grind or adjust LITERALLY every single chassis you have to fit your AW mags?..... Bro, why not just change the mags.... Seems the obvious choice, but hey, each to their own. I use AI mags and haven't had to grind or adjust a single chassis or mag.
AW mags give you a competitive advantage. Shoot enough matches and you’ll see stages where guys are literally asking to borrow AW mags. Not sure where you’re located but if you shoot out west where it’s more natural terrain that you’re shooting off of instead of a solid metal barricade every time like the east coast then you’ll notice quickly. They’re more reliable and especially if you run BR based cases they feed much better. Not to say AI mags don’t have their place, but AWs are the top mags. Honestly if an action won’t shoot AWs I won’t use the action.
I am a loser, so I guess I'll click the dislike... I didn't want to, but okay...