Mang0 Analysis - Plup/M2K Spring Summit 2017: Weekly Melee Analysis
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"If Johnny did that to Plup: that wouldn't work. Because Johnny would already have been 3-0'd by now"
11:05 You'd be surprised at what Wizzy will techchase for a sponsor
Brother
Lmaooo godlike chain
5:40 Covered mostly everything.. except the roll to the right.
Shoutout to who gets that.
Faizan 4 Ever I'm pretty sure almost everyone gets that dude
I heard it and immediately went to the comments to see if anyone said anything
so it doesn't cover everything.
"Wizzy can't techchase a lion"
mang0 is a 100% right about the 50/50s
This is the best opening to a video ever
The reason the sheik's don't chaingrab in the ditto is because imagine a fox ditto chaingrab that was not only easier..... but also slower (a whole lot slower)..... and lead to death every time. With the fox one at least the fox has some hard frame links in the beginning and has to get creative to keep going after about 60%. Sheik's goes to like 90% on herself. And because dthrow is weight independent it only has one timing you have to learn. (like if you mess up it's just because you are bad) Its pretty easy to techchase on platform , if they DI to it, or just waveland and keep grabbing. Also with sheik's moveset and how CCable her moves are it becomes a game of who hit second (the one who goes first can't cc grab). It makes the ditto incredibly boring but with this it looks amazing.
hakeembisiolu you just blew my mind dude
I love how, at the end of the day, Mango still respects M2K
here's hoping
mango you should do analysis of s2j vs armada at g4!
:)
11:05 Leffen would turn around up-tilt
this analysis is so fucking good, learned a lot. do more plz
colbol has pretty good "nerdy" reactions
11:10 you put leffen in there he's gonna get another pre-johns food poisoning. It'll actually work this time tho because the lion won't wanna eat anything that's sick. Well played Big Leff xD
jk tho, love you man
44:11 that's why you make sure to bring a large brown paper bag to put over your head so you can hide the shame.
I always come back for the failed forward air lmfaooo
"Smash 4 battle". Mang0 knows!
grab gets sidestepped
sidestepper's grab gets sidestepped
second sidestepper baits a sidestep and grabs
LMAO
Trying to hit a standing sheik with a quick rising fair is definitely a difficulty spike in the Match up (1:51).
Watching the beginning of this video is so boring, but then I remembered M2k went Marth.
What do the shines in the beer glass represent?
Is it classic shine: new sub
Bronze shine: 6 months
Silver shine: 1 year
Gold shine: 2 years
Is that it? It's really cool
Bevan Smith it goes bronze/silver/gold/classic/USA
Do you know how long you have to have been subbed for for each tier? :P
Bevan Smith you had it right
Axe reactions are top 5
The first few seconds of the video..........Dank Memes
28:30 you're wrong about plup needing to stay in shield here. Jason could easily tomahawk that and it's pretty much a fifty fifty
ya except the tomahawk is not something mew2king does almost ever and in general is an absurdly uncommon/risky option from that close. shield was the correct thing to do. then he could nair oos. saying no because of tomahawk is like saying "doing an aerial in neutral here was actually not correct because they can spot dodge". ur saying its incorrect based on a hard read. like... ur an idiot
Urameshi Sama what dumb shit did i just read
Your analysis could be so much shorter but I'm not complaining
Bing Bow long anals are best anals
Mang you should analyze S2J armada rev 3-0 at genesis
Oooh baby I like it raw
19:10 I'm like 90% sure that is ADT shield. And is a glitch in melee's code that allows attacks to go through shield for like 2 frames if go from light shield to full "click" shield. (pretty much you tried to full shield but your hands were a little slow. Its the backdash of shielding.)
that was ADT for sure. its not the backdash of shield cuz its not random. its ur fault if adt happens. u have to click the trigger within 1 frame to avoid it and its entirely possible to do that consistently
It's not the ADT of dash because it's not random. It's your fault if tilt turn happens. You have to hit the edge within 1 frame to avoid it and its entirely possible to do that consistently.......
DO YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE. Your point has some serious fallacy you need to look into.
Also btw the random 1 frame delay can affect this as well.
Having a motion that must be completed in 1 frame with analog inputs (digital inputs are fine because they are a literal on/off switch) with a 60 fps game is just asking for inconsistencies. No matter how consistent your hands are, unless you can move the literally at double the speed needed to do the technique it will fail eventually; its just how polling works. (I have an entire post about this already. I can explain if you don't understand) The reason most people write it off is because you can trigger trick to avoid the risk but in doing so you lose light shield.
Why don't we just fix the underlying issue first???
except everyone knows its not possible at all to do that in 1 frame idiot, whereas digital shielding is. by ur logic i can say that being 1 frame late on a wavedash u-tilt needs to be fixed. loooooooooooooool dumb ass. god fucking scrubs....
uhhhhh....... 2 points.
1. Please don't assume the other person's level (especially when the other was being respectful) especially if you are wrong. Technically you can do everything in 1 frame. The issue is that there would be setup to do it. For instance to avoid back dashing flubs you can use preaccelerated inputs (instead of starting with your thumb on top of the stick. you start to either side and start the motion. then catch the stick as you are already moving it. It raises back dash consistency by 30% on most controllers.) but did you know this.... maybe, maybe not, I'm not going to assume your game knowledge.
2. Triggers are analog though. They are not digital. (unless you trigger trick which i don't because soft press L cancel and light shield vs marth) I'm going to explain the polling thing to you because if you understand frames you'll understand what is wrong with your point about ADT shield. Lets say you can do the motion to click in the trigger in exactly 1 frame. It takes you 16.6666ms to click that trigger in the full distance. Now if the world worked at 60fps along with the game your input would always work, but it doesn't. Real life operates at infinity FPS and so there is this terrible thing we have to deal with called polling. What is worse is that polling is literally at some random point during a frame in melee (also yeah dan salvato never fixed the coding... so there is that), well its not random but its not the same. It moves a little forward each frame until it gets to the point it passes where the game processes inputs. That means 1 frame behind where it should. Then it eventually goes full circle. But yeah every 15-16 seconds, 2 seconds of those 15-16 were 1 frame later then should be.
If the polling happens right before you move the trigger then on the next frame you will get to the "click" before the next poll and will get frame 1 digital shield when the game inputs the next poll. But what happens if the poll happens right after you start moving the trigger??? Because out of how melee handles light shield if you press past about 10% it will start to trigger it. So if polls right after you start pressing the trigger it will give you lightshield on the next frame. Then you will hit the bottom and you will get ADT shield on the frame after. So even if you did the motion right... you could still get ADT shield.
ONE LAST THING!! HOW IS AN ANALOG TRIGGER MOVING FROM 0 TO 100 IN A FRAME AND ANALOG STICK MOVING FROM 0 TO 100 IN A FRAME??? EXPLAIN YOURSELF?
ur a scrub cuz u dont understand the blatant difference between ur examples. any top player can tell u that ADT is 100% avoidable cu its easier and faster to click the trigger in 1 frame than the stick. Sorry, ur a scrubbbb
I wonder if mango ever said if ever played shiek he'd play like Plup since hes a fan of him
mango would be way more like shroomed than plup. shroomed plays really unorthodox and mix up heavy with amazing ground movement and DI. plup plays sheik how i'd imagine westballz would. high tech skill, pressure heavy, shield drop master
Urameshi Sama true yea i dont watch much shiek matches so i cant distinguish most shiek mains
10:30 I think you mean innovate my man
did the upsmash at 19:19 hit shieks feet? wtf
#plupclub
Is that Dota Demon in the back ground at 44:12? LMFAO
Can you tell mango to tell us why he is analyzing that particular set at the beginning of the video. Thanks
suffocatingfool I don't think even mang0 knows why
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Someone is getting a piggy back ride at like 8:20
m2k's fox is so stressful to watch
wind Why?
it looks clumsy
instinct is what that nigga talking about!
nice
old dog LOL
Yo Mang the word is 'reflex' 10:00
"Reactions are voluntary responses whereas reflexes are involuntary or unintentional." According to google. I think reflexes are stuff like when you hit ur knee and ur leg pops up while what mangos talking about is makeing a split second decision. like when someone says "think fast" and throws something at you, and you have to catch it.
its kinda confusing tho
Instead of pausing every two seconds, figure out how to loop something you want to analyze. It's unreal trying to watch without getting seriously impatient and makes clips unwatchable
*A N A L*