This is one of my favorite audio review channels. I'm from Canada and I fancy European audio. I recently purchased a DUAL 618Q Turntable and Mission 770 Speakers both in Walnut veneer finishes. The friendly banter along with the wealth of knowledge and experience that both Mike and Dave provide, very often give me their own slight different perspectives of the products that they review.. The Mission 770 speakers, were never even a consideration until I seen their review then found a dealer to audition them. I am a bit baffled that they have not accumulated subscribers at a faster rate. You casual viewers out there should show your support and subscribe to this channel. Every episode is viewership worthy. Best of luck guys. And a thumbs up to the RUSH fan guy, who commented below!
Cheers for your support. To be fair, we've made no serious effort to publicise the channel - no website, no proper social media engagement, etc. - so we remain the best kept secret on TH-cam. 🙂 Greetings to all our Anglosphere friends across The Pond, and thank you Canada for Rush and Neil Young!
@@MrVinylista Here are a couple of well known bands from Canada each formed in the mid 80's and both from Kingston Ontario. They are "The Tragically Hip" and "The Headstones". Both are fully cataloged on Spotify and possibly other streaming services. We here in Canada are very proud of these 2 bands. Hope you have the time to enjoy them.
You’re right about them being ‘not for everyone’. I auditioned the slightly larger ATC stand mounts at our local hi-fi dealer and found I preferred the sweeter sounding ProAc pair they were compared to. My music preference tends to classical and jazz vocal, where I think I missed the mid-range warmth. Use your bricks and mortar hifi shop if you can, folks 😊
I went to my local dealer to hear the Rega io with ATC SCM7s for my computer desktop HiFi. I actually listened to the Rega Brio driving a pair of SCM11s in a large listening room. Great demo and I bought the SCM7s and the Rega io. Not disappointed. Great "near field" solution. If you're in Nottingham I recommend Castle Sound & Vision (no affiliation).
Hello chaps, Mr Wibble here. Great review guys and also great to see you up at the UK Audio show over the weekend. Knowing that you both like unusual and interesting bits of hi-fi kit, one pair of speakers blew me away at the show - I could not believe they sounded so impressive given their tiny, tiny size. So as a recommendation - take a look at the Alchris Audio -Booki Compact Bookshelf Speakers. Best wishes :)
I have the joy of having recently acquired a pair of the original SCM10 speakers and have been truly blown away by the sound they produce when fed by 140w of vintage Krell Class A power. Frequency response specs really don’t do their bass justice.
I use them now the last 2 years, and i listen mainly classical music and use them also with my cyrus 8.2 dac QxR as a TV speaker. They have such a realistic sound.. sometimes when in Movies someone knocks on the door...i go to open mine. This never happened with my 10 K Dolby Digital System. They are just fantastic with all kinds of music. Maybe its because a lot of Music and Movies are mixed with ATCs.t
Hi Mike & Dave. Spoke to you at the bar at the Bristol show I'm the Exposure Super / Quad Electrostatics fan. Mike you seem to have the exact same flavour in how Hi-Fi should sound as me so always eager to hear what you have to say. I had a chance recently to listen and purchase the ATC's after comparing them to the ProAc DB3R's (they're the ones with the ribbon tweeter). The ProAc's were fantastic especially vocals as that tweeter is something very very special indeed. However I couldn't afford the ProAc at the time, but although not as good still really enjoyed the ATC's over the similar priced competition. What Bass there is, is very good but really lacking low end (59 hz 6db down). So I bought a White pair the next size up the 19's for more Bass (52hz). This new and much better version of the old ATC SCM 19 has their new tweeter and I believe a reconfigured crossover. It has more bass but they still really needed a subwoofer to get the best out of them. My conclusion is for the price ATC speakers and Exposure power Amps are a match made in heaven only bettered by the ProAc DR'S with their ribbons. Thanks guys a really enjoyable channel 😄👍
Fine Riff again chaps, totally agree with David on their tonality and sheer speed. They are without doubt a genuine rock/metal speaker. Very tight bass (infinite baffle). Cabinets excellent. Nearly bought them but went down the floor stander transmission line route in the end. very honest Riff. Cheers.😊
@@Hi-FiRiff Hi Mike, nothing too exotic, the ubiquitous PMC TwentyFive.23. The plain non I version. They work well in my small/ medium room and are not too obtrusive. They have a schizophrenic nature…a bit. At very low levels they still manage to be very detailed with good sound stage. The bass tappers off at this level. But the sound is still rewarding. At normal levels 55db or higher the are lovely at 80+ db they are total thugs and sound fantastic. Cheers. Oh they are being driven by Quad Artera pre and power or Exposure 3010 integrated.
@@MrVinylista I’m ashamed to say I ruined mine when I used them on the end of a PA system. I was young and stoopid. So tempted to find another pair to go with my period LP12, which has enjoyed a series of upgrades and would provide the perfect source for them.
If they're a rock/metal speaker then I'm 100% on board!!! Oh... wait... I'm not in the market for new speakers.... argh! Look what you've gone and done now, chaps.... 😆
Excellent review guys 👍 Btw, this curved range of ATC’s Entry Series was released in 2013. Starting with curved SCM7’s and curved SCM11’s in August 2013 and followed by curved SCM19’s and curved SCM40’s in December 2013. I know this because we (Musicraft - Derby - UK) received the first production pairs of all four passive models 🙂 Btw, and out of interest SCM40A’s were released in April 2015 and SCM19A’s in April 2016. ATC Transducer. A precision monitoring instrument 😎
This is right up there with Car SOS as my favourite "TV" viewing, but a key question David - as a purveyor of the best Japanese direct drives, would be great to see one of these featured on the Riff?! Maybe not the Marantz, something a bit more accessible (TTS8000 / SP10) but not too common (1200). I really loved your journalism on these back in the day in World, which inspired me no end to seek out some of these models!! Thanks for a truly amazing youtube channel. Julian
@@MrVinylista yes that would be fab. I think these are so intriguing, things we never knew existed until later in life and true killer performers. If it hadn't been for those articles in Hifi World, I doubt we'd be having this convo so thank you indeed. I had an SP15 bought in florida and imported into the UK in the SH15 plinth. I fitted an Origin Live RB250 and G1042. Sounded great! The one thing that is truly puzzling to me is what arms and cartridges to match these heavy direct drives to, based on the modern choices available vs Technics EPA and 3009. Advice on forums seems to be all that's out there, but it feels very much trial and error. I dabbled with a Toshiba SR370 and a Rega arm and it sounded great to my ears, but apparently this is a "terrible combo" and you really need a Mission 774!! So if you do do the SP15, any system matching advice for heavy direct drives in terms of arms and carts would be massively appreciated David. Thank you again and keep up the awesome work on Hifi Riff.
Hi fellas! This is a sublime little speaker! However, I am not so optimistic with its power requirements. It is true that the impedance curve is very flat and so the amplifier needn't deliver huge current into them. However, they greatly benefit from power (wattage) and the more you have, they better they will sound. Because they are a sealed box (no reflex port), placement is somewhat less troublesome than with some other ported speakers but also, the bass roll-off is a lot more gradual than with a ported speaker. With a ported speaker, the bass doesn't roll-off, it jumps off a cliff below the tuning frequency, even if that frequency is actually lower than the frequency at with a sealed box speaker starts to roll-off. I think these are wonderful speakers, even though they might not be everyone's cup of tea. They are small but they represent 'real quality' and the drive units are impressively engineered and built. By the way, I think the reason these sound so good is low distortion because of well ventilated voice-coils which do not heat up. It has to do with the fact these employ flat wire (as opposed to circular cross-section wire which is more typical). They can pack more copper into the same space. This is an engineer's approach to speaker design as opposed to a bean-counter's approach. No revolutionary tech, just proven and 'sound' engineering principles executed to a very high standard. This is also why ATC speakers are very robust and last for many years. Cheers fellas! Roll on the MiniDisc review!! :)
They do need amplifier matching and certain amps work better than others. I have the SCM19 which have an even more surgeon scalpel like in presentation and I was happily living with a pair of diy 300W/ch monoblocks and they sang beautifully. Recently however a friend lent me his Audiospace nova m34 tube monos based on 4x EL34 tubes per channel and the ATC SCM 19 are being driven with even more gusto in their triode mode than the solid state amps ever did. This is just 32W/ch but I never feel any lack of power in a 20ft*20ft room even driving them to near 85-90 decibels. The slight dryness that is mentioned in the review is also alleviated by the sweetness of EL34s.
@@MrVinylista Fantastic!! Thank you so much fellas!! It's the first good news I heard all week and today being Thursday, that's saying something! Monday is a long way off and with it, so is the opportunity to annoy everyone around me just by being in the good mood. ;) Looking forward to the review! Cheers!!
@@soumyajitdeb3943 If you want to 'rock out', 85-90 dB won't do it. A very big factor in all of this is how you listen to your music and what you consider 'loud'. The only reason why ATCs work well with tube amplification is the benign impedance of the speaker. Personally, I am not a fan of EL34s or pentodes in general. They would be my last choice to pair with ATCs but if it sounds good to you, then that's all that matters. Cheers!
@@antunkatona5674 End of the day you want something that sounds good. After trying multiple big watt solid states with massive power supplies, I find this amp to sound much cleaner than the SS amps. Also proof of the pudding is in the eating. 85-90 is just a rough number. They fill a 20*20 room perfectly with some bottom end assistance from a subwoofer.
I have them sat on cork blocks and driven by Fosi Audio V3 Mono’s with a simple Douk Audio tube EQ for tone shaping depending on what they’re playing. Sub frequencies go to an RSL Speedwoofer. Best value small room Hi-Fi I’ve ever heard. I can gradually upgrade the other components and the SCM7s will just keep moving up in class.
I love the look of them, and I considered them because - heresy that it is, lacking bass is not a deal breaker for me if the bass quality is decent. I love your speaker reviews, by the way.
Thank you so much. I wouldn't say they lack bass... in fact there is a good deal of it for such a small cabinet, but it is definitely tight and fast. Mike
@@Hi-FiRiff SCM7 bass is fast and detailed. If you want more weight then I'd suggest a subwoofer applied with finesse. (My son accuses me of having my sub set to "polite" while I accuse him of setting his to "hooligan".)
Great review of this little guy. Love small monitors. HAve some Spendo 4/5's but keep wondering what these - or their bigger brothers the SCM 11's - would be in comparison. Btw, not just rock...modern 4-tet, 5-tet jazz also needs something fast in a speaker 🙏
I’ve one pair of small speakers in my collection,, the B&W cm1 s2 and I can’t find any other small speakers I like more , I do like arc and proac but they just seem to lack bass compared to the B&W
@@erichhofer201 The ATC feels a little more even across the frequency band, with a little less sparkle in the treble than the PMC and a little less body in the upper bass. The ATC is a tad more analytical, and more accurate on dynamic peaks, than the PMC. It's a touch more refined and composed, too. The PMC presents a tad faster, more exuberant and 'showy' sound. Both are great fun in their own ways, and closer to one another than they are to most other speakers at this price point. Either one would be a great buy for rock fans.
Can't say about these two models in particular but i've had the ATC SCM19 and the PMC tb2i Signature. Both were in the same ball park size wise and price wise. The ATC stayed and the PMC was sold. Hopefully that says something 🙂.
Cheers for this review. I'm of the impression though that those cabinets are made in China. Not that it really matters but that's where I think the cabinets of their less expensive speaker series are made.
I don’t like there passive designs they all lack something. They need an active standmount. For 1k or there about’s I’d take the ae1 over these by a good long way.
Good point. I was listening to a Prince live album today and although I know live albums aren’t always great recordings, my speakers just get confused or very busy at decent volumes.
This is one of my favorite audio review channels. I'm from Canada and I fancy European audio. I recently purchased a DUAL 618Q Turntable and Mission 770 Speakers both in Walnut veneer finishes. The friendly banter along with the wealth of knowledge and experience that both Mike and Dave provide, very often give me their own slight different perspectives of the products that they review.. The Mission 770 speakers, were never even a consideration until I seen their review then found a dealer to audition them. I am a bit baffled that they have not accumulated subscribers at a faster rate. You casual viewers out there should show your support and subscribe to this channel. Every episode is viewership worthy. Best of luck guys. And a thumbs up to the RUSH fan guy, who commented below!
Cheers for your support. To be fair, we've made no serious effort to publicise the channel - no website, no proper social media engagement, etc. - so we remain the best kept secret on TH-cam. 🙂 Greetings to all our Anglosphere friends across The Pond, and thank you Canada for Rush and Neil Young!
@@MrVinylista Here are a couple of well known bands from Canada each formed in the mid 80's and both from Kingston Ontario. They are "The Tragically Hip" and "The Headstones". Both are fully cataloged on Spotify and possibly other streaming services. We here in Canada are very proud of these 2 bands. Hope you have the time to enjoy them.
You’re right about them being ‘not for everyone’. I auditioned the slightly larger ATC stand mounts at our local hi-fi dealer and found I preferred the sweeter sounding ProAc pair they were compared to. My music preference tends to classical and jazz vocal, where I think I missed the mid-range warmth. Use your bricks and mortar hifi shop if you can, folks 😊
Great advice... the problem is that there is almost too much choice. I am a big Proac fanboy too... ever since I heard the Super Tablettes.
Mike
I went to my local dealer to hear the Rega io with ATC SCM7s for my computer desktop HiFi. I actually listened to the Rega Brio driving a pair of SCM11s in a large listening room. Great demo and I bought the SCM7s and the Rega io. Not disappointed. Great "near field" solution. If you're in Nottingham I recommend Castle Sound & Vision (no affiliation).
Local shop doesn't have enough variety. You get a selection of the most popular brands and that about it.
Hello chaps, Mr Wibble here. Great review guys and also great to see you up at the UK Audio show over the weekend. Knowing that you both like unusual and interesting bits of hi-fi kit, one pair of speakers blew me away at the show - I could not believe they sounded so impressive given their tiny, tiny size. So as a recommendation - take a look at the Alchris Audio -Booki Compact Bookshelf Speakers. Best wishes :)
I have the joy of having recently acquired a pair of the original SCM10 speakers and have been truly blown away by the sound they produce when fed by 140w of vintage Krell Class A power.
Frequency response specs really don’t do their bass justice.
I love your comparison of the ATC SCM7 speakers to a terrier! Everyone knows a terrier and can understand your description!
You make really fantastic videos.
I'm a very big Rush fan myself, and I really need to take a closer look at ATC speakers.
Thank you, fellow Thrush fan :-)
Mike
I use them now the last 2 years, and i listen mainly classical music and use them also with my cyrus 8.2 dac QxR as a TV speaker. They have such a realistic sound.. sometimes when in Movies someone knocks on the door...i go to open mine. This never happened with my 10 K Dolby Digital System. They are just fantastic with all kinds of music. Maybe its because a lot of Music and Movies are mixed with ATCs.t
That's brilliant - I really want to hear a proper AV system, is it all too often, wrongly, poo-poo'd by the Hi-Fi industry.
Mike
Hi Mike & Dave. Spoke to you at the bar at the Bristol show I'm the Exposure Super / Quad Electrostatics fan. Mike you seem to have the exact same flavour in how Hi-Fi should sound as me so always eager to hear what you have to say. I had a chance recently to listen and purchase the ATC's after comparing them to the ProAc DB3R's (they're the ones with the ribbon tweeter). The ProAc's were fantastic especially vocals as that tweeter is something very very special indeed. However I couldn't afford the ProAc at the time, but although not as good still really enjoyed the ATC's over the similar priced competition. What Bass there is, is very good but really lacking low end (59 hz 6db down). So I bought a White pair the next size up the 19's for more Bass (52hz). This new and much better version of the old ATC SCM 19 has their new tweeter and I believe a reconfigured crossover. It has more bass but they still really needed a subwoofer to get the best out of them. My conclusion is for the price ATC speakers and Exposure power Amps are a match made in heaven only bettered by the ProAc DR'S with their ribbons. Thanks guys a really enjoyable channel 😄👍
Fine Riff again chaps, totally agree with David on their tonality and sheer speed. They are without doubt a genuine rock/metal speaker. Very tight bass (infinite baffle). Cabinets excellent. Nearly bought them but went down the floor stander transmission line route in the end. very honest Riff. Cheers.😊
Which TL speakers did you go for?
Mike
@@Hi-FiRiff Hi Mike, nothing too exotic, the ubiquitous PMC TwentyFive.23. The plain non I version. They work well in my small/ medium room and are not too obtrusive. They have a schizophrenic nature…a bit. At very low levels they still manage to be very detailed with good sound stage. The bass tappers off at this level. But the sound is still rewarding. At normal levels 55db or higher the are lovely at 80+ db they are total thugs and sound fantastic. Cheers. Oh they are being driven by Quad Artera pre and power or Exposure 3010 integrated.
Great riff - entertaining, informative and educational. By the way, that Rush Riff Special... will it ever.happen...
Yes, David, when will it happen?
Mike
Great Riff guys. Had the same reaction when I first heard the Linn Kan Mk1. 😊
Great comparison - and a speaker I owned and loved for years, for my sins.
@@MrVinylista I’m ashamed to say I ruined mine when I used them on the end of a PA system. I was young and stoopid. So tempted to find another pair to go with my period LP12, which has enjoyed a series of upgrades and would provide the perfect source for them.
A good pair,and the speakers ain't bad either, Lol.😊 Sound like a nice option for Thrush metal.😊
Oh-er missus!
Mike
i run mine with my Rega Elex 4. a superb all rounder.
Nice!
Thanks for this video
I have a pair of SCM7s used as near field monitors. With these literally at arm's length they work very well with the 30 watts from my Rega io amp.
If they're a rock/metal speaker then I'm 100% on board!!! Oh... wait... I'm not in the market for new speakers.... argh! Look what you've gone and done now, chaps.... 😆
Tell me about it... I didn't want them to go back!
Mike
Hi great interesting video nice speaker I think they about 60hz interesting with the bass bump . Regards mark
Excellent review guys 👍 Btw, this curved range of ATC’s Entry Series was released in 2013. Starting with curved SCM7’s and curved SCM11’s in August 2013 and followed by curved SCM19’s and curved SCM40’s in December 2013. I know this because we (Musicraft - Derby - UK) received the first production pairs of all four passive models 🙂 Btw, and out of interest SCM40A’s were released in April 2015 and SCM19A’s in April 2016. ATC Transducer. A precision monitoring instrument 😎
Thanks for the info, really useful.
@@MrVinylista You’re welcome 👍
This is right up there with Car SOS as my favourite "TV" viewing, but a key question David - as a purveyor of the best Japanese direct drives, would be great to see one of these featured on the Riff?! Maybe not the Marantz, something a bit more accessible (TTS8000 / SP10) but not too common (1200). I really loved your journalism on these back in the day in World, which inspired me no end to seek out some of these models!! Thanks for a truly amazing youtube channel. Julian
Thanks Julian - would a Technics SP15 hit the spot? Was thinking about doing this before Xmas. Mine has an SME V on it at the moment.
@@MrVinylista yes that would be fab. I think these are so intriguing, things we never knew existed until later in life and true killer performers. If it hadn't been for those articles in Hifi World, I doubt we'd be having this convo so thank you indeed. I had an SP15 bought in florida and imported into the UK in the SH15 plinth. I fitted an Origin Live RB250 and G1042. Sounded great! The one thing that is truly puzzling to me is what arms and cartridges to match these heavy direct drives to, based on the modern choices available vs Technics EPA and 3009. Advice on forums seems to be all that's out there, but it feels very much trial and error. I dabbled with a Toshiba SR370 and a Rega arm and it sounded great to my ears, but apparently this is a "terrible combo" and you really need a Mission 774!! So if you do do the SP15, any system matching advice for heavy direct drives in terms of arms and carts would be massively appreciated David. Thank you again and keep up the awesome work on Hifi Riff.
Hi fellas!
This is a sublime little speaker! However, I am not so optimistic with its power requirements. It is true that the impedance curve is very flat and so the amplifier needn't deliver huge current into them. However, they greatly benefit from power (wattage) and the more you have, they better they will sound.
Because they are a sealed box (no reflex port), placement is somewhat less troublesome than with some other ported speakers but also, the bass roll-off is a lot more gradual than with a ported speaker. With a ported speaker, the bass doesn't roll-off, it jumps off a cliff below the tuning frequency, even if that frequency is actually lower than the frequency at with a sealed box speaker starts to roll-off.
I think these are wonderful speakers, even though they might not be everyone's cup of tea. They are small but they represent 'real quality' and the drive units are impressively engineered and built.
By the way, I think the reason these sound so good is low distortion because of well ventilated voice-coils which do not heat up. It has to do with the fact these employ flat wire (as opposed to circular cross-section wire which is more typical). They can pack more copper into the same space. This is an engineer's approach to speaker design as opposed to a bean-counter's approach. No revolutionary tech, just proven and 'sound' engineering principles executed to a very high standard. This is also why ATC speakers are very robust and last for many years.
Cheers fellas!
Roll on the MiniDisc review!! :)
Great comments and, apropos of your parting shot, 'work' is going on behind the scenes... 😎
They do need amplifier matching and certain amps work better than others. I have the SCM19 which have an even more surgeon scalpel like in presentation and I was happily living with a pair of diy 300W/ch monoblocks and they sang beautifully. Recently however a friend lent me his Audiospace nova m34 tube monos based on 4x EL34 tubes per channel and the ATC SCM 19 are being driven with even more gusto in their triode mode than the solid state amps ever did. This is just 32W/ch but I never feel any lack of power in a 20ft*20ft room even driving them to near 85-90 decibels. The slight dryness that is mentioned in the review is also alleviated by the sweetness of EL34s.
@@MrVinylista Fantastic!! Thank you so much fellas!! It's the first good news I heard all week and today being Thursday, that's saying something! Monday is a long way off and with it, so is the opportunity to annoy everyone around me just by being in the good mood. ;)
Looking forward to the review!
Cheers!!
@@soumyajitdeb3943 If you want to 'rock out', 85-90 dB won't do it. A very big factor in all of this is how you listen to your music and what you consider 'loud'. The only reason why ATCs work well with tube amplification is the benign impedance of the speaker.
Personally, I am not a fan of EL34s or pentodes in general. They would be my last choice to pair with ATCs but if it sounds good to you, then that's all that matters.
Cheers!
@@antunkatona5674 End of the day you want something that sounds good. After trying multiple big watt solid states with massive power supplies, I find this amp to sound much cleaner than the SS amps. Also proof of the pudding is in the eating. 85-90 is just a rough number. They fill a 20*20 room perfectly with some bottom end assistance from a subwoofer.
Would love to see you get a pair of active scm50a’s.
The ultimate loudspeaker for me.
Oh yes!
Mike
@kjbunnyboiler blue anniversary edition please
I have them sat on cork blocks and driven by Fosi Audio V3 Mono’s with a simple Douk Audio tube EQ for tone shaping depending on what they’re playing. Sub frequencies go to an RSL Speedwoofer. Best value small room Hi-Fi I’ve ever heard. I can gradually upgrade the other components and the SCM7s will just keep moving up in class.
I've had Atc in the past,can a bit fatiguing on long listening times,but i enjoy sealed boxes , like spendors,a1 ,or classic 4/5,
Go listen to you're garbage warm dead dull lifeless macintosh pos
I love the look of them, and I considered them because - heresy that it is, lacking bass is not a deal breaker for me if the bass quality is decent. I love your speaker reviews, by the way.
Thank you so much.
I wouldn't say they lack bass... in fact there is a good deal of it for such a small cabinet, but it is definitely tight and fast.
Mike
@@Hi-FiRiff SCM7 bass is fast and detailed. If you want more weight then I'd suggest a subwoofer applied with finesse. (My son accuses me of having my sub set to "polite" while I accuse him of setting his to "hooligan".)
IIRC, ATC only change the amount or scale of their speakers output with increasing size, not their actual frequency response. Real professionals.
Great company with a great ethos.
Mike
Right up my alley me thinks 😀🤘🤘
Have you ever heard any Richard Allan speakers?
@mrvinylista ?
@@Hi-FiRiff Not yet!
Great review of this little guy. Love small monitors. HAve some Spendo 4/5's but keep wondering what these - or their bigger brothers the SCM 11's - would be in comparison. Btw, not just rock...modern 4-tet, 5-tet jazz also needs something fast in a speaker 🙏
I'm a big small speaker fan too.... hold on, that sounds weird!
Mike
@@Hi-FiRiff 😂
Keep your spendors 4/5, atc sound little hard sound
@@Hi-FiRiff Says man with Linn Isobariks...
I run mine (satin white) with my Goldnote is 1000.....amazing
I’ve one pair of small speakers in my collection,, the B&W cm1 s2 and I can’t find any other small speakers I like more , I do like arc and proac but they just seem to lack bass compared to the B&W
B&W do indeed make some brilliant bookshelves.
Mike
can we have a whip round to get David a glass for his pop?
His pop? You mean my pop!
Mike
Would the ATC SCM11 have a fuller sound in comparison with ATC SCM7 slightly thinner sound?
I would imaging so, but would love to hear them.
Mike
@@Hi-FiRiff I have a pair of SCM 11s and I think they are a bit thin, perhaps its the house sound? I know some people love them, just not to my taste.
@TonyCottrell-iv2qv get a REL like I did, it makes a huge difference
@@Roamany-Jones Thanks for the suggestion, I did try a subwoofer, but it still wasn't for me!
nice riff as always, these or PMC prodigy1 ?
Both!
Mike :-)
@@Hi-FiRiff😂 would be nice if it is so easy, main differences between them?
@@erichhofer201 The ATC feels a little more even across the frequency band, with a little less sparkle in the treble than the PMC and a little less body in the upper bass.
The ATC is a tad more analytical, and more accurate on dynamic peaks, than the PMC. It's a touch more refined and composed, too. The PMC presents a tad faster, more exuberant and 'showy' sound.
Both are great fun in their own ways, and closer to one another than they are to most other speakers at this price point. Either one would be a great buy for rock fans.
@@MrVinylista great thank you for your info
Can't say about these two models in particular but i've had the ATC SCM19 and the PMC tb2i Signature. Both were in the same ball park size wise and price wise. The ATC stayed and the PMC was sold. Hopefully that says something 🙂.
Praps they used Mike as the inspiration for the body shape?
I say, steady on...
Oy!
@@Hi-FiRiff Oy what? It was only a theory, and anyway, it must feel good to be immortalised in light oak venneer.😀
@@owenoneill5955 😂
Cheers for this review. I'm of the impression though that those cabinets are made in China. Not that it really matters but that's where I think the cabinets of their less expensive speaker series are made.
They are made in Eastern Europe.
Afternoon gents👍👍
Evening KJBB.
@@MrVinylista 👍👍
KJBB :-)
Yes please - do cash in some favours and get a pair of active SCM40s or even 50s and let us know if the ton od extra cash vs the passive is worth it.
Dribbling at the thought.
Mike
@@Hi-FiRiff just go ahead. I mean who actually needs two kidneys?
@@rulerofrecords1 eBay prices will only require one kidney.
Atcs need a quality amp to drive them or they will never sound as good as they can my scm 11s never really sung until i added a power amp
suspicious lack of beer lately!
Mike and Dave have joined the Rechabites and taken the pledge.
I was nursing terrible man flu at the time. Not fun!
No excuse
How much $?
Always found them a bit too small and lacking would rather go up to atc 11 or 19 both of them need lots of power
No disputing these are lovely speakers, but the larger ATC's are brilliant!
Mike
If ATC was a beer....IPA?
No, it would definitely be fizzy!
Mike
Asahi Super Dry
REALLY love your channel.... but either stop the 'riffometer' (just knowing you're reviewing something is almost enough) or, go to 1/10 increments.
Should be a flat sounding speaker (like their studio monitors) but bass starts rolling off at 100 Hz.
60hz not 100hz. I have SCM-11 and the bass starts to roll off at 55hz.
@@Taffy84 They are flat from 100 Hz and up. At 60 Hz they are already 60 Hz -5 dB, which is not too bad.
I don’t like there passive designs they all lack something. They need an active standmount. For 1k or there about’s I’d take the ae1 over these by a good long way.
I think they’re good with all music. You just notice they’re good with harder stuff because most other speakers are crap with that.
A very interesting point, and probably quite correct.
Mike
Good point. I was listening to a Prince live album today and although I know live albums aren’t always great recordings, my speakers just get confused or very busy at decent volumes.