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Hebrews (Part 8) - Heb.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
- Historically speaking this has been one of the most challenging passages in the New Testament for believers and for the Church as whole. So we’re going to get into some deep water today and try to do it some justice. (Or at least give us some things to think about.) This passage is going to bring us directly into the controversial “once saved always saved” discussion and our assurance of salvation. At the beginning of chapter 5 the author began demonstrating how the New Covenant of Christ is superior to the Old Covenant made at Sinai and how Jesus is a greater high priest than even Aaron. But he’s going to pause that discussion in today’s passage to issue a stern warning to his readers.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction - A challenging passage
02:09 Passage: Hebrews 5:11-6:8
05:17 Spiritual Maturity (Heb. 5:11-14)
21:13 Warning Against Apostasy (6:1-8)
I have never been so inspired to read the Bible in my life! I have watched all of your Hebrew lessons 1-8 in 2 days while I recover from illness. This is an incredible teaching and a gift, thank you so much!
Thanks Rob for another great teaching on Hebrews. Shalom! Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
You got me thinking now brother Rob! great study, thank you.
Thank you for this series and all your videos! I don’t miss any of them! Praise god!
Excellent teaching as always brother!
Enjoyed it. Thank you. For your consideration:
Since Hebrews from front to back is about the 1st century believing Jews, the warnings issued to them should be consistently understood with the choice they faced. They held Judaism in one hand, Christianity in the other and were being forced to choose one over the other.
Since they are already believers their justification is settled, but their sanctification is being threatened. Our sanctification is by faith and we are sanctified by the offering of Christ. The Father and Holy Ghost also play prominent roles in our sanctification. This is very different however from the old covanent believers who were repeatedly told to sanctify themselves in the Torah.
The stage is set in Hebrews 3 with the first generation. They were taken out of Egypt, but that isn't good enough. God wants them in their own land. The proverbial nail on which Jahovah hangs his hat is the bringing out of the children of Israel from Egypt and their establishment in the land of promise. It is a reproach on God and upon his name when they are not where they are supposed to be. The same holds true for us who should never be satisfied with wilderness christianity and it is also the case of these 1st century believers. They are the first generation out of the bondage of Judaism and God says "move forward" in your faith. The admonission is for them not to "go back".
Several places in the bible we see that we are to walk in faith just as we have begun in faith. The 1st century believers' return to dead works is tantamount to their rejection of their sanctification by faith and is typified by the generation that died in the wilderness (never having possessed the land of promise). They died in defeat because God swore an oath and would not repent that they would not enter because of their unbelief. This is the repentance in view when we get to Hebrews 6. God's terms of sanstification are not negotiable and we cannot add by dead works that which he freely gives by faith. A rejection of God's terms results in a believer never experiencing spiritual victory as long as they are in rebellion to God's terms (great point you brought up about the present participle).
The Hebrews 12 usage of repentance confirms the Heb 3 and Heb 6 usage. Esau tried to get Isaac to bless him too, but it was Isaac who did not repent, not Esau. Esau as a type of the flesh will never recieve the blessing God gives by promise.
I try not to write such lengthy comments as they are burdensome to read. If you actually read this, I hope it blessed you.
Thanks. I did read to the end. Sounds like you accept faith alone. I was wondering why you refer to sanctification as a present active process? I know there are varying views of present, future rewards, positional righteousness, etc. but I thought sanctification as a momentary non meritorious event upon belief was established. A life of attempting to overcome sin by ongoing sanctification is a central tenet of Lordship doctrine., no?
@@jacobsilverberg1329 Yes, salvation by faith alone. I refer to sanctification as a present active process because it is the current active status of salvation. Justification and glorification being the two bookends, sanctification is all the books between the two events. Sanc is not spoken of as an event but rather as a process such as growing up into Christ (Eph 4:15) and being transformed by the renewing of the mind (Rom 12:2). I do understand that positionally we are in Christ and clothed with his righteousness, but practically we are still in our flesh and are told to mortify the deeds of the body. We do this in faith. Being baptized into Christ (Rom 6) identifies us with his death, and we are reckoned dead to sin. Before being saved we were slaves to sin and had to fall to every temptation. Not so now that we are delivered from the power of sin. It is a continual abiding in Christ (John 15) that makes me refer to sanc as a process and not a one-time event.
I haven't looked into lordship doctrine much, but it seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to the Free Grace movement. For the fast talking evangelical it is probably a necessary control device to ensure conformity to whatever standards are being imposed. Imagine a guy like Ray Comfort giving a sales pitch and convincing someone on the street to give intellectual ascent to "being saved" but no actual regeneration takes place. The "soulwinner" then must convince the victim that they must produce the fruit of repentance or their salvation is not real. But in such a case, their salvation is not real if the Holy Ghost isn't involved and no amount of artificial fruit is going to make it real.
This would be the equivalent me telling you that I make the most delicious chicken wings, convincing you that my wings are the best without actually letting you taste them, forcing you to wear a Tshirt that testifies to the greatness of my world-renowned chicken wings, and then telling you that you can never take the shirt off or else you didn't actually taste the wings.
In a real conversion no lordship language is necessary because Jesus is indeed the actual Lord of the new believer's life. Through prayer, scripture and discipleship the new believer can be led by the Spirit into all truth and seek to please God out of a pure heart without the guilt and pressure that the lordship doctrine generates.
@@jacobsilverberg1329 I am sorry for all the blather. Short answer: I do not know if ongoing sanctification is a tenet of lordship doctrine. It does sound like it would be. But do not mistake real ongoing sanctification (being changed from glory to glory) with the coersive manipulation of lordship doctrine.
@@ThomasThiemeJr Ok. It sounds like you lean toward fruit as a validation of salvation? I don't know how long the term "Lordship" has been around but the doctrine is the same as Catholics, JW's, Mormons and SDA. Probably many others as well. Pretty sure it is the majority view; it's how I was raised too and I now reject it entirely. We are saved by faith. The call to good works and our response to it has no effect upon our seal for the day of redemption.
@@jacobsilverberg1329 Yes. More or less. Definitely faith alone for salvation and good works follow as believers are led by the Spirit in the exercise of their faith.
Spot on! 👍
Thank you... very, very good! God Bless.
Wow, nailed it;
amen
Judas was one of that kind,he experienced to be with Christ but lost.
😳o wow, Hallelujah, yea that’s right !
I tend to think so too. We can never underestimate the ability people have to fool both themselves & others re: their own piety.
but Jesus explains Judas is the literal *_exception,_* to fulfill the Scriptures:
"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." (John 17:12)
@@inTruthbyGraceAmen, very true. That verse is subtle yet a securely fortified pillar within the Scriptures.
@@inTruthbyGrace correct Judas was never saved
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How can you read Hebrews 4.9 and say we don't have to keep the Sabbath
There are several phrases like 1 Cor. 13:11 unique to Paul. Dr. Hartado, I think in Earliest Christian Artifacts, points out that 3rd century codices were typically bound with Paul and Hebrews together. This suggests that early Christians considered the works to have a common author. We know Paul was in chains, was Apollos also? What suggests Apollos, or any other?
I know some people say Hebrews sounds like a polished sermon, which is unlike Paul's letters... but then again who's to say Paul couldn't have developed a polished sermon over time, especially as he was always preaching about Christ? I don't know who wrote Hebrews, but it has struck me that the concluding remarks/chapters DO sound like the kinds of things Paul regularly said in his letters. 🤷🏻♀️
@@kimartist I think he was just writing in a format appropriate to his audience.
The hebrews 6 scripture is talking about a believer (saved born again) who falls back into sins they sinned prior to salvation, they no longer can be forgiven through repentance because they’d be re-crucifying Christ all over again. Instead, they will be rejected and be under the wrath of God.
By that standard every single person would be rejected
The Prodigal Son was Israel who could return to faith in God, but that was the OT not the NT, faith is through Christ as faith is to the law of righteousness to prove faith.
yup
it has Always been faith in Jesus Christ, both OT and NT
@@salpezzino7803 God (the Father) was Lord (Judge) in the OT, and it was by faith in God and that has passed to Jesus in the NT, and faith is now in Christ. Faith in Christ is a whole lot more complicated than the OT, though it is still the obedience of faith that matters.
@@simonskinner1450 you know nothing because you are in a Satanic Cult. There is No truth in you, as there isnt any in your father. the Father of Lies
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If the author was Apollos, it may relate his faith experience to some points in this book. Acts 18:24-28 outlines a critical part of his journey of faith. He was eloquent, competent in the OT scriptures, instructed in the way of the Lord, and even taught accurately the things concerning Jesus. Yet, when Priscilla & Aquila heard him preaching, they had to take him aside and explained the way of God MORE accurately. In some way, he was incomplete, but we are not told what exactly, except that it may have had something to do with him having known only the baptism of John.
In the next chapter, Paul found some disciples. This time, Luke recorded that Paul was concerned whether they received the Holy Spirit when they believed, and found out they did not know anything about that and only known John's baptism also. It seemed they didn't know about Jesus also (unlike Apollos). The issue was resolved when Paul explained and baptised them in the name of the Lord Jesus, followed by them receiving the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands.
On 5:14 What is "solid food" refering to?
Hi, TA.! The author is using the illustration of milk and solid food to compare someone who is spiritually immature with someone who is mature and disciplined.
Blessings, RLS
Curious observation. Paul, I assume, rebukes Jewish believers for leaning towards, or returning to the dead works of the law. Meanwhile James says to Paul _" “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law."_ It really shows how far advanced Paul was, because of course he received the gospel directly form Jesus.
who do you think James received the Gospel from?
@@salpezzino7803 Better to ask if he comprehended the gospel received. The example proves he did not.
'dead works' are religious practices that are of the flesh per Paul... if they were of the Sprit they would be Alive and giving life! Also why Paul said in Gal that we can't 'mock God, because if we sow to the flesh, we will of the flesh reap corruption' as they were trying to be saved by religious practices and Paul was referring to that as 'dead works' or 'works of the flesh'. Anything we do that we believe makes even 1% contribution to our salvation are 'works of the flesh'.
Also, repentance is 'METANOEA' or 'METANOIA' depending on source and is 2 Greek words, 'meta' = change, 'noia' = mind and said simply, 'change our mind'. So, impossible to change their mind is how I would apply that. We have free will to choose and we never lose our free will is how I understand that. But, 'you can lead a horse to water...' and 'we can lead a person to Messiah' but we can't get inside their mind to chose for them...
Not involved in churches for a couple decades but always love sound teaching as it's rare! Just found Rob... so far so good...
@ Solberg........Deut 30:11...... Gods laws are not difficult......... Sunday christians, No one could keep Gods law it was too difficult. Jesus died so we can eat bacon and free us from Gods law that was too difficult.
@ Solberg.......the word Covenant in 8:13 was added....... LOL You should know that, Stop acting ignorant.... this is basic seminary teaching.
Welcome Scott! Pay no attention to our resident trollbot 🙄 There's good people in here to talk to too &... well... you know. It's the Internet 🤷🏻♀️
@@kimartist Yeah it's the internet... lol I don't listen to such voices even if they had technically correct info. When shared in that spirit it's easy to ignore. But thank you for your comment! I appreciate good sound teaching and there's a famine in the land as we know. I hear sincerity in Rob and we all have our biases and backgrounds. In the end, we all stand or fall before our Lord and Savior and He desires ALL to be saved and come to a knowledge of the Truth. And HE is the Truth! I look forward to hearing Rob speak about 'under' whatever... (law, grace, sin, Christ) Rome was primarily a 'slave empire' as 75% of population were 'under' someone. Paul needs to be understood in that historical context to appreciate his arguments. Let's face it, Paul had the equiv of a triple Phd in his background as an advanced 'rhetorician'. A lost art in the modern world for sure, but his arguments are superbly done but easily misunderstood in the modern era.
Hello. Could you please have a debate with Russian Tovia Singer? His name is Michael Finkel. He can speak English. Nobody wants to have a dispute with him and he loughs at christians
The difficulty with Hebrews 6:4-6 is squaring it with John 10:27-30, Romans 8:28-30, and Hebrews 10:26.
"They follow me", "to them that love God" are baptised in reconciliation with the Father, this is not salvation, "no more sacrifice for sins" so atonement at baptism cannot be repeated.
So the circle is squared as Hebrews 6:4-6 warns backsliders the repentance that brought forgiveness by grace, is not repeatable as God can only baptise once as those dead to sin follow Jesus.
Contextually, it's about Hebrews/Jews and THEIR problem with abandoning their own Messiah as they were taught by His emissaries.
@@jtzutube Good point. The very religion that Gentiles were converted into, as the Messiah came for the Jews and Gentiles.
@@simonskinner1450 You lost me. WHAT isn't salvation? What, pray tell, do you mean by "baptism" (something physical or something to do with the Holy Spirit), and are you claiming that it's salvific or not? No offense, but your punctuation (or inadequacy thereof) and argumentation make it kinda hard to follow.
@@blindvision4703 Atonement is a reconciliation into the church of God, not salvation but baptism with access to eternal life, there is no more condemnation for those in Christ.
Romans 5-8 is baptism, sanctification is in Romans 12-15. Baptism is finalised by receiving the Holy Spirit, important as John 3:5 and 3:13.
Deut 30:11...... Gods laws are not difficult......... Sunday christians, No one could keep Gods law it was too difficult. Jesus died so we can eat bacon and free us from Gods law that was too difficult.
Hi Jeff! Christian theology doesn’t teach that God’s laws are too hard to keep in the sense of being too physically or intellectually difficult, or too hard to understand. The difficulty isn’t with God’s law but with our fallen human nature. This is the reason Israel wasn’t able to keep the law and therefore broke the Sinai Covenant, as God says in Jeremiah 31:31-32. He gave them a law that was not too hard for them or too far off (Deut. 30:11), and yet they couldn’t keep it. This is why Peter calls the law “A yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear” (Acts 15:10). Romans 3 says, “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Rom. 3:23). This is why “God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit” (Rom. 8:3-4). The problem is our fallen state, not God’s law.
Shalom,
RLS
the word Covenant in 8:13 was added....... LOL You should know that, Stop acting ignorant.... this is basic seminary teaching.
HI, Jeff. If you've ever translated text from one language to another (or had basic seminary training) you know that in order to maintain the integrity of the original thought, it is often necessary to add or remove words in the target language to provide clarity. This occurs thousands of times in every single version and translation of the Bible in every language. Translation is not a one-for-one process.
So the question isn't whether a word "added." That doesn't automatically indicate a problem. The question is whether the translator accurately captured the author's original meaning. And in the case of Hebrews 8:13, the subject of the author's sentence implied in the Greek is the covenant.
RLS
In a covenant theology there is no challenge, the challenge is for Christianity and atonement at the Cross, as Hebrews 6 tells backsliders they lose their hope of eternal life.
There was no atonement at the Cross, as Hebrews 9:22, just a change of covenant as was the purpose of Hebrews.
The definition of faith and grace in Christianity are indefensible, though I would recommend anyone to rely on the KJV not ESV.
I have released a new Ytube video 'Is Christianity the truth of the NT? No. #31 Myths in so-called Christianity', Hebrews talks to backsliders as does Romans, and both are underpinned by repentance.
Dude, You’re so messed up theologically lol
I don’t mean to be harsh, I’ve just seen and argued with you on here before. You just seem to attack and then want people to watch your videos for the explanation. Seems like a gimmick to get people to watch your videos..
@@coreybassard My friend you and this site need the truth that Christianity is the false teaching that bewitched and beguiled those who were baptised as Born Again Jews, not a matter of arguments but a lawless life thanks to the sacrifice of Jesus. Let not his memory be so damned as a licence to sin.
My friend I was writing a book and still am, that would charge people for the truth, but my conscience made me make my videos, unscripted and free, but exposing the religion I was born into as noted in the epistles.
For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. (Heb. 2:17)
God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement through the shedding of his blood-to be received by faith. (Rom 3:25)
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24
There was atonement at the cross, my friend!
RLS
@@simonskinner1450 I’ve said this before, and I’m pretty sure it was to you, but nowhere in the gospel of God is there a license or allowance for Christians to sin. Period. But what is sure, though, is that Jesus’ death atoned for all sin (Hebrews 10:1-18) and the encouragement for the believer is to never lose hope in the faith we have in Christ’s blood offering or stop striving in bringing glory to God’s name.(Hebrews 10:19-39). We expect to be made perfect in resurrection like Paul preached about in Philippians 3:8-11
“For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith-“
This, to me, is the believer’s process of sanctification. Hebrews 12:7-11 speaks on God’s discipline. But when is discipline needed? When there’s disobedience or ignorance. What is disobedience in God’s sight? Sin. But by discipline, and in this case holy discipline given to us by God, we learn to be set apart. The discipline is “for our good, that we may share his holiness(v10)” and “later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.(v.11)” a righteousness through faith.
There is not one person who doesn’t sin and there are no more sacrifices that can be made for sins, thankfully, because of Christ. So please, stop making the false claim that Christians think we have a license to sin. No true Christian believes this.
The author is trying to appeal to those bewitched and beguiled by a new religion of Christianity, not with the law written in their hearts, but nailed to the Cross. The law written in your heart demands self- assessment, our spirit with the Spirit, as the religion is of Judaism and the Born Again Jews. Judaism with hypocrisy, no annual atonement, but one chance to prove the promise of faith.
Roll up your sleeves, or try to fit a clear passage to the Cross that paid for sins, but did not. The Christianity is of those who see a free gift of grace as salvation, not simply baptism and just forgiving past sins.
The enlightened are not in Christianity, they are Born Again Jews, and it is impossible to them in a genuine faith not of the bewitched and beguiled.
Repentance is grace, as forgiveness is due to repentance, and grace is the mercy of forgiveness.
I think you should investigate and falsify not defend, as I do in my Ytube videos 'Myths in so-called Christianity', but again thanks for allowing debate.
theres no such thing as christianity in the scriptures. the faith is called THE WAY
@@Nazarene_Judaism I so agree, but Christianity developed through false teaching as noted in most epistles, as Born Again Jews were bewitched and beguiled by false teachers.
My Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' exposes false teaching. My latest 'Is Christianity the truth of the NT? No. #31' makes this point for others to consider.
@@simonskinner1450Christianity is the religion Jesus warned about. Church fathers? Matthew 23:9!
We are nazarene jews an ancient sect of judaism that believes in Yehoshua(Jesus) the messiah. however the religion of "Christianity" is mentioned nowhere I the NT and was created by Ignatius to separate from the biblical judaism that believed in Jesus. Constantine later made chrstinaity a state religion and Church buildings which is not found in scripture, actually the church met in the building called a SYNAGOGUE if you read James 2:2 directly from Greek or a the LSV. and also met in homes. After Constantine legalised ignatius's christianity THEN christianity went out painting a European Jesus in idol worship and murdering jews, Natives and africans and slave trading etc. converting people by the sword and gun. they did atrocities in the name of christianity, why? because Jesus didn't create "christianity". The real faith Called THE WAY is mentioned throughout the NT and was made up of Nazarenes (Acts 24:5) who are jews who believe and followed the nazarene Matthew 2:23. And Gentiles who are christians Acts 11:26. In this judaism, Acts 15 says that gentiles don't need to circumcise and follow 4 laws.and re-stated in Acts 21:25. And Jews observe torah Acts 21:21-24 while believing in Yehoshua/Jesus. This set up brings UNITY between Jew and Gentile. we Nazarene jews are still here. Shalom.
I agree that we must believe in Yeshua to be saved. But i believe that we should respect GOD’S Law and to do His Will.
It is very dangerous to keep The Law by your own after Yeshua came.
We must have the fruit of the spirit, and this is Only through faith in Yeshua. if we base our salvation (after Yeshua came) on our works (keeping The Law) we are on a dangerous path.
Hi, Carina! I teach and believe that obedience to God is of utmost importance for believers. We are to submit to His authority over our lives. Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I’m sure you would agree that not every command God has given applies to every person at all times. Some only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or at certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I’m sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT expressly teaches that many of the commands given under the Old Covenant Law do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).
Blessings, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots terrible teaching and you cant back it up with scripture. Nothing Biblical about deciding which laws of God or Moses applies to an individual. You better be right, because not only you but those who believe you and EVeryone in Torahism(they teach the same lie) will stand before God and need to give Him an account of the laws you chose to keep and not keep or not keep based on your and every individuals own Standard.
Salvation has always been faith in Jesus Christ - OT and NT Saints
@@salpezzino7803 Hi, Sal! I'm not quite following your objection here. Are you denying that we are only required to obey the commands of God that He says apply to us? (As a man, woman, priest, Israelite, Christian, etc.)?
RLS