Thanks for this as always! This was a good articulation I think of what becomes natural to coaches over time. The quadrant is a good framework to troubleshoot what is happening in a skill for an athlete to help them progress as well. In a recreational context you're trying to fit so much in in such a short amount of time which is what makes it challenging. I think the next step is to identify what parts of the skill need to be intentional to help the athlete progress to the skill after it. For example, I am more worried about speed and the athlete knowing what they're supposed to look at in a cartwheel than straight legs. That way, when they progress to a round off, they already understand how to move their body quickly and they're learning how to spot things while moving quickly. What gives me the most trouble is when we move on to high effort/high intentionality skills like back handsprings or kips, at least with rec gymnasts, because it feels like there is never enough time to really develop all the pieces.
Ueah, those are all valid points. And the struggle to filter this higher level of training down to recreational can sometimes feel impossible. I think the next subject I will have to tackle is how to scale training methods between athletes who come 20 hours a week to students that come 1 hour a week. The principals don’t change, however the implementation does change due to time constraints. There is another topic that also plays with these concepts and that is understanding how progressions work within a specific skill line. There are a handful of skills I refer to as “sticky” skills where people tend to get stuck due to various reasons. Kips, back handsprings, cast handstands, twisting etc.. I think what I need to do is explain how to build from high effort low intentionality and low effort high intentionality into high effort high intentionality. And then how time affects speed of learning. Thank you for the ideas and the support.
@@thegymnasticsexperience1131 All of these ideas sound great! Yeah, I'm constantly trying to translate training methods into something bite sized for my rec staff. There just isn't a lot out there that isn't based on how rec gymnastics used to be (a fun thing to put your kids in to get some energy out). I've found that most of the families in our program are trying to get a "real" gymnastics experience and could care less about the floofy stuff. So figuring out a modern rec program which is focused more on actually getting kids skills that look halfway decent and help them progress forward, rather than the floof is tricky.
Thanks for this as always! This was a good articulation I think of what becomes natural to coaches over time. The quadrant is a good framework to troubleshoot what is happening in a skill for an athlete to help them progress as well.
In a recreational context you're trying to fit so much in in such a short amount of time which is what makes it challenging. I think the next step is to identify what parts of the skill need to be intentional to help the athlete progress to the skill after it. For example, I am more worried about speed and the athlete knowing what they're supposed to look at in a cartwheel than straight legs. That way, when they progress to a round off, they already understand how to move their body quickly and they're learning how to spot things while moving quickly.
What gives me the most trouble is when we move on to high effort/high intentionality skills like back handsprings or kips, at least with rec gymnasts, because it feels like there is never enough time to really develop all the pieces.
Ueah, those are all valid points. And the struggle to filter this higher level of training down to recreational can sometimes feel impossible.
I think the next subject I will have to tackle is how to scale training methods between athletes who come 20 hours a week to students that come 1 hour a week.
The principals don’t change, however the implementation does change due to time constraints.
There is another topic that also plays with these concepts and that is understanding how progressions work within a specific skill line.
There are a handful of skills I refer to as “sticky” skills where people tend to get stuck due to various reasons. Kips, back handsprings, cast handstands, twisting etc..
I think what I need to do is explain how to build from high effort low intentionality and low effort high intentionality into high effort high intentionality. And then how time affects speed of learning.
Thank you for the ideas and the support.
@@thegymnasticsexperience1131 All of these ideas sound great! Yeah, I'm constantly trying to translate training methods into something bite sized for my rec staff. There just isn't a lot out there that isn't based on how rec gymnastics used to be (a fun thing to put your kids in to get some energy out). I've found that most of the families in our program are trying to get a "real" gymnastics experience and could care less about the floofy stuff.
So figuring out a modern rec program which is focused more on actually getting kids skills that look halfway decent and help them progress forward, rather than the floof is tricky.