The man survived having a hole blown through the center of his chest and possibly multiple organs and still managed to fight at full power despite this to the very end. Haven’t seen anything like that in awhile.
I don't know Aizen seems to be a little different than before. Hear this character voice in Japanese and you will see what I mean. Shō Hayami is the Japanese voice actor for him same as AIZEN!!!!
Hint at a sequel or post game DLC? Seems a bit opened ended to me. Tales of Arise: Beyond Dawn has just been trademarked so hopefully we will get an answer.
"Yes, but i have the sword, it's different" ......the sword that i just realized he never used despite this opponent obliterating the entire party single-handedly.
,,Beautiful precious life''..........I think a lot of people don't get his motivation as a villain.He tried portraying himself as a king that comes from a great heritage,but that mask shattered when the gang discovered that he used to be a slave from Dahna.His conversation with Alphen during they're final battle also tells us a lot.,,All i remember is the lashes of whips,the masters who killed slaves for sport and the slaves who sacrificed they're compatriots so that they might live''.His time as a powerless slave obviously traumatized him and the only way for his to be sure that he doesn't return to that live is for him to be on top.He doesn't feel bad for the slaves that die for him,he just sees them as backstabing sharks.He was sooo pissed at the great spirit for trying to control him,so much so that he prioritized his defeat over Alphen,the guy who he sees as his rival and they guy who managed to strike him down.To him being a slave is worse then death.There is no ,,Beatiful precious life'' when you're a slave,so he decided to kill himself since he knew that he can't be on top and he will have to face justice for his actions(return to being a slave).Such a badass and tragic character.
Not the perfect character but with your description you made that a lot more approachable with his character development. I tip my sword to you in respect
Must be the silver hair, you can totally see silver hair under that hood. Although that first scene reminds me of when Sephiroth one shot Ifrit, or when he killed the Great Serpent and impaled it on a tree trunk.
Ok he is without a doubt an Tales of series S tier Antagonist I haven’t seen an antagonist in the series this evil since Shizel From tales of Eternia and she’s consider a devil
@@artimuos903 Artorius was doing something he believes was best for mankind he maybe an antagonist but calling him full evil on evil isn’t something I would do he’s more like “I have good intentions but I’m doing the wrong thing to achieve them”
Bruh I still get so mad every time I watch him swing at hootle like that. I am absolutely in love with this game though, saddens me that it will be probably another 4 years before I can play a tales game again. I always get so invested then basically get depressed once I finish 🤣 love these games.
wow I know vholran was edgy but everyone in this comments section wanted him to have an understandable reason for being the way he is. Dudes just evil, not everyone needs to be talk-no-jutsu'd into being good.
@@pn2294 Oh it could’ve been done easily. His backstory is so similarly to Alphen’s, and his motivation only needs to be ruling over others for him to be a perfect foil. You could have done it numerous ways, but I personally would have had his kingdom be one where the Renen’s were the ones enslaved and put to work. One where he had freed the Danan’s and genuinely was serving as a strong and forthright ruler in all other ways besides that, with the exception that the people were all so fanatically devoted to him that they didn’t think for themselves. It’s in line with his backstory and motivations and you’d just need to make him an obviously less unhinged character when he first appears, killing monsters en masse, I would plant dialogue implying he’s been doing this a lot, saving Danan’s from them. For the second, rather then attack immediately, I would have his attitude be more cordial, specifically towards Alphen, who he would have sought out for his liberation of the other realms, only for him to see Dohalim and presume the worst. From there he could kick the parties ass as per usual, but clearly be focused on the Renan’s and when Hootle flies up in front of Rinwell, have him actually back off and shift focus back to the others to continue fighting. When the Sovereign power awakens, have him look surprised and then confusedly ask “Then why…?” Before leaving, implying he concluded that Alphen has been through everything he has and can’t understand why he would fight alongside the Renan’s after seeing them at their worst and after everything they had done to him. The fight with him in his Kingdom would be way more interesting, because his people love him and consider him their savior, but he’s using Renan’s to collect Mana (this would work, obviously, because spoilers) and is treating them all like cattle out of revenge. When confronting him he could say he doesn’t intend to forgive the Renen’s for their crimes, and that he intends to extend his control to all the world, because before himself Dahna wasn’t exactly peaceful either, and it needs a strong perfect Sovereign to stay as peaceful as his Kingdom, and to ensure that another Renan invasion doesn’t ever happen again. The party would still disagree with and fight him, but it would be a lot more grey. Also his people would despise them after they’d won. From there not much needs to change, but I would actually have him slip in and succeed in subjugating the Great Spirit, actually using the stolen Renas Alma to control it. Have him free Shionne, removing it from her using his control, and have him state that he intends to use its power to become an all powerful undying Sovereign, that he will return the power to Dahna, and that now that he realizes Renen’s are Danan’s that we’re corrupted by their enemy, he will not blame them for being victims. Instead he will make this Great Spirit and the true Renan’s suffer for their crimes, and rule Dahna as a paradise under his sovereign rule forever. No war, no crime that goes unpunished, no corruption. Again, the party would still fight him, and now they aren’t doing it just to save their friend, but to champion the things they’ve learned through their journey. He would understand their perspective, but unable to agree with them, and be even a little regretful they had fight, but in the end… But that’s just one way you could do it. That would’ve felt more like a normal tales antagonist to me.
@@pn2294 But most of the past Tales Antagonist’s, or the good ones, anyway, have been fairly distinct. Just because they were designed to be “fallen heroes” and Antivillain’s doesn’t mean they’re “the same”. And anyway by that logic, not being a tales villain would be “being the same as 95% of all other villains in fiction.”
It's ironic, rinwell and vholran are most likely the last living danan mages, vholran's strength might foreshadow the level of power rinwell can also achieve as she learns and grows. I can see why danan mages were so feared and respected by both regular danans and renans alike. And while it's never specifically said, I think alphen is also a magic user, at least to some extent.
Haven’t seen a tales of series villian this evil since Shizel from Tales of Eternia and she’s was consider the devil herself because of how possessed she was
to some extent yes, but im glad with what we have here, we arent suppose to understand a psychopathic monster as he is, even if our curiosity says otherwise.
@@MyNameisRevenant True but it felt like his dialogue towards Alphen was hinting at something more like they have crosses paths in the past or something. Or their destinies were intertwined on a greater scale.
@@SolidSnake240 They never crossed paths. Alphen is 300 years older than him. It’s more along of a contrast between the two characters. Alphen fights to protect. He fights for love and friendship. He is a guide and a pillar of light. When life got hard, Alphen wasn’t alone. Zephyr built him into a man, taught him not to be a slave by mindset. Vohlran is simply the opposite, he doesn’t fight for those reasons. He’s always alone. He is a slave to that kind of mindset. They both started at the same place in life (a slave) but ended in two different paths
I have to admit that all the antagonists especially Volhan in this new tales series are a bit of let down. None of them had made a strong impression in my eyes with their characters nor their goals.
I think it's because they are much more one dimensional evil than usual. After being spoiled by mostly relatable villains, we have this edgy nihilist who needs nobody and his band of asshole looking out for themselves
I agree. It seemed like the antagonists were plot devices for each party member’s personal development. It’s an interesting departure from the usual “misguided antagonist” in Tales history.
Also there was ample oppertunity to make more of him. If we use a standard Jrpg trope he could have been Alphens brother who was sent up together with him and now resents him for xyz anime bs. In theory he is pretty cool, because everyone is worms beneath his feet and he assembled this entire city of mindslaves, but we never get to see why he was this deranged. He is the ultimate ego trip fantasy, like if someone would write themselves into a popular anime to mess with the story or the characters, but for no actual reason at all.
@@Realag666 most Tales antagonists aside Chrono in Destiny had good reasons to want to destroy the world and had shown some degree of remorse and caring to some of their allies and foes. The ones in Tales of Arise were all self centered, ruthless and psychopathic maniacs who wants to rule the world for themselves.
@@blackraven3436 I mean, yeah, Vholran is a huge let down, like, I like the way he make renans cramble on his feets, he is a dahnan afterall, so he lived as a slave before. I mean, he's just giving them back what they deserve. But why is he vilain toward Alphen who is like him ??
Personally for a first playthrough I never mess with the costumes and accessories because I want to take everything how it's meant to be. For a second playthrough though I like changing costumes and making characters goofy sometimes.
I just finished the game today and after the final battle Vholran is such a sore loser. He loses in a duel against Alphen so his reaction is to take the Renas Alma, which wasn’t his to take since he lost the fight, and blow it and himself up. It’s like a kid losing a game and kicking the ball into the woods.
He then calls Alphen "selfish" for trying to save both Shionne and the world and that it's a path to "corruption" and "betrayal". You want to rule over everyone with an iron-spiked fist! How is that better?! Is this trying to setup a sequel? He says he'll be waiting in the dark....
This has been nagging me for a long time since I've played this game. at around 12:55, you see Vholran grin down at Shionne like he's planning to do something to her, and later even Law voices his concerns about it. You don't think he... did you know what right?
I think the main reason he kidnapped Shionne was to hurt Alphen. I mean, during their first fight she took a sword to the chest for him and Alphen's reaction made it pretty obvious Shionne was really important to him. More so if you consider the fact that Vholran views Alphen as an anemy that must be taken down no matter what. Also, I think it's safe to assume that Vohlran knew that he needed the power of the maiden to create the Renas Alma and that might have been another reason since he says "Did you really come all this way just so I could take you back over his dead body?" implying that he would take Shionne regarless of Alphen being dead or alive. I'm not sure about this argument though because he also knew about the room made to replace the maiden. Finally, I think what Law was refering to was the fact that Shionne was somewhat confident in her abilities but when they found her in the castle she was basically an empty shell, as if Vholran had brainwashed her like his subjects. I think Law was affraid that she might not come back and Vholran would make her do somethimg crazy like he did with the people he sent to take their own lives for him. Of course, I could be wrong but that's what I think.
I really wanted to like Vholran as a villain. But lord he's such a one dimensional mustache twirling villain. I don't need every game to have a misguided villain with relatable issues. I'm all for an evil villain who rides the bad boy train with no remorse. But dammit, they never make it cool anymore. When Vholran showed up as the 'Mysterious Swordsman', he was incredible. He was ruthless, mysterious, and badass. His voice was less 'Mwahaha' and he seemed to be here on a personal notion to test out someone else who is like him, that being Alphen. To fix this guy, I wanted to see more of him, to hear his origin before the literal last moments of the damn game. I wish Vholran kept his more hushed and menacing personality, and to hear that even he realizes that he's become something even worse than what once enslaved him. To have Alphen question why he'd do this, and Vholran know and admit that he's beyond redemption, and finds the world unfit for liberating. He'd be the perfect counter to Alphen, and could issue a challenge like 'If your conviction is stronger than my own, then perhaps this world is worth a second chance. But I'm the final test, if your ideals are carved away by my blade, then it just shows I was right in the end, and this world is better off under my own rule.' Basically, Vholran could have one last shred of humanity force him to seek out the other 'Sovereign' who is taking the morally right path. If only we fought this man three times before the big final confrontation in his domain. The 1st is fine, then say the second, we manage to get him to turn on his ice sword, only to get our asses kicked again. So for Vholran, his conviction is reaffirmed after wishing to see what his other path might have led him, which would then be coughing up blood on the damn ground before his might. Meanwhile, the party sees that this man is strong enough on his own to carry out his twisted ideal that the world is better off under his rule. This 'villain' was once just like them, and though he's a monster now, he truly does believe that his path is the only way to unify everything under an iron subjugation. After all, the party has seen that even their own kind can be just as bad as the damn slavers, if not worse when carrying a 300 year long vendetta. But then of course you'd beat him, and to see him take the loss and even find some measure of hope for the future in his final moments would have added so much complexity to him. An evil man born from tragic origins, but one who knows it and willingly chooses that path until someone manages to finally prove to him that the twisted world he hates can come together in the very end. Boom, a badass, evil, ruthless villain with a dash of humanity in the end. Instead we got a screaming baby who whined about how he can't rule everything wha wha wha UGH. Tales....you're better than this.
Yea and I didn’t like how the lords all get killed after you fought them. I do sort of like the villains being recurring rivals to the party ( The abyss is a great example, all of the god general got a backstory and a reason to side with the main villain ) I wish we get a villain who just a product of their own environment. Sort of like Omni man from invincible. Or a villain who does have a tragic backstory but they did too much sinister things that redeeming them or even letting them live isn’t gonna benefit anyone.
@awakenedusopp Im going to have to disagree with you there, there are many other good villain or antagonist characters in the tales of series with depth.
I still don't know why he killed Almeidrea. Also what happened to all the winners of the crown contest and their Renas Alma. What's the point of making Renas Alma every 7 years when there's no Sovereign to do the ritual until Vhoran came along?
@@plusgtr1st124 better then Artorious yea no lol Vholrans cool and all but his character doesn't have much to him compared to artorius who's a more thought out villian and really pushes things along for velvets character and all
Idk why but when he took off his hood and Shionne gasped and he took her, I thought they were gonna have a deeper connection which would give him some depth. Also when he said "Did you really come all this way, just so I could take you back over his dead body?" Shionne was also the first person he addressed and looked at when they entered the throne room. I guess Vholran x Shionne is my fav toxic ship for this particular Tales game and I'm sad there wasn't something deeper going on between them (romantic or otherwise).
Yeah same here. When I saw that I was like "ah here it is my enemies ship". I would have loved more scenes between them just to see them fleshed out in a sense of "this side of the story".
I don't even think he died in the end. Just disappeared??? But could've been potentially one of the best villains if he kept his cool demeanor with the hoodie and was written better. A little bit of back story about why he is the way he is. Some of the stuff he did was pointless tbh. And what was he even doing out killing them Zeugles when you 1st met him? Why didn't he attack Alphen then? Etc. Ending was a bit underwhelming. Especially fighting the great spirit lol. Idk my expectations were too high after seeing all his bad ass scenes in the 1st half. Then kinda became a brat. Almost thought Sephiroth was gonna have some competition as the greatest bad ass villain smh
@@dominickdixson5523 Yes tis quite a shame. The story itself is just kinda overall meh. Fun gameplay tho. Tales of Xillia had the last decent set of villains.
@@dominickdixson5523 i dont know, i dont think the villains in this game are actually that bad, i grew tired of trying to understand every villain's intention and back story, having an one dimensional villains feels refreshing somehow, nothing stops me from beating them to pulp, especially for how psychotic, and horrible human beings they are, also there is a plot reason why their life's origins are kept secret from everyone, even the player. I will not deny that the story could have been managed better.
Couldn't tell you... my bet is that he teleported elsewhere, since you can see white particles where he was before the explosion, but maybe he did die.
I wanted to show my friend that one cutscene in the midgame after the second fight, but I am at that point in the game, so in searching for this footage I have been spoiled that this guy does in fact come back ffs smh.
Talk about a waste of a great character design and Joe Zieja's excellent voice work. They build up a decent narrative and our ultimate villain is essentially a guy so crazy that he has no real motive or ideology.
I can’t be the only one who thought this guy kinda sucked as an antagonist, right? Like, his dynamic with Alphen is cool, being his opposite and all, but his style just feels so unoriginal to me. Just another edgy bad guy who looks down on “pathetic things like friendship and coexistence”. At least the fight scenes between him and Alphen are awesome!
what a waster of a villian. we bearly get to see him, minimal explanation, shoe in symbolism and those ending scenes its like saying we give up here....the only good thing about him us the sense if treat. but then again he is the easiest lord.
Horrible character that only exists to add ambiguous netorare to the "plot". He's also easy in-game, and only ever does anything with bullshit cutscene powers.
Say what you will about him as a character, his fighting style is top tier. Also Alphen's duel sword takedown was 10/10
Guy didn't have a lot of screen time yet it felt like he was in the story for far longer.
Dude just had a big impact.
The man survived having a hole blown through the center of his chest and possibly multiple organs and still managed to fight at full power despite this to the very end. Haven’t seen anything like that in awhile.
What a Chad, he got kakyoin'd and survived.
His soverign powers most likely he's got the tenacity
He might’ve been healed by the Helganquil due to being a Sovereign.
Claude seems to be a completely different person when he isn’t upside down
I don't know Aizen seems to be a little different than before. Hear this character voice in Japanese and you will see what I mean. Shō Hayami is the Japanese voice actor for him same as AIZEN!!!!
oh my please stop
This made me cackle
@@espada9000 kinda making this not funny, my guy
@@FF18Cloud Not trying to be.
He is what Alphen might've been if he didn't meet Naori
Or Shionne.
@@joseph86255 No, Naori. Without her noone would have stopped him in Lenegis.
No duh. Alphen literally says that in the cutscene. 🙄
I didn't knew Vergil and Sephiroth had a lost cousin.
„Go. But know I will be your shadow no matter where you try to run.“ - Vholran
I totally fell in love with him, I guess.
Hint at a sequel or post game DLC? Seems a bit opened ended to me. Tales of Arise: Beyond Dawn has just been trademarked so hopefully we will get an answer.
That second cutscene with him is so good caught me so of guard with how beats the children of the party pity his boss fight is so easy
"Yes, but i have the sword, it's different"
......the sword that i just realized he never used despite this opponent obliterating the entire party single-handedly.
I closed my eyes and imagined our Golden Deer menacing to destroy the world...
... but it didn't work ^^'
Great job, Joe Zieja !
Wait this is him?? Holy shit that's some good contrast/range
@@haveagoodday7021 i know right?! i didn't even realise it was joe until now!
,,Beautiful precious life''..........I think a lot of people don't get his motivation as a villain.He tried portraying himself as a king that comes from a great heritage,but that mask shattered when the gang discovered that he used to be a slave from Dahna.His conversation with Alphen during they're final battle also tells us a lot.,,All i remember is the lashes of whips,the masters who killed slaves for sport and the slaves who sacrificed they're compatriots so that they might live''.His time as a powerless slave obviously traumatized him and the only way for his to be sure that he doesn't return to that live is for him to be on top.He doesn't feel bad for the slaves that die for him,he just sees them as backstabing sharks.He was sooo pissed at the great spirit for trying to control him,so much so that he prioritized his defeat over Alphen,the guy who he sees as his rival and they guy who managed to strike him down.To him being a slave is worse then death.There is no ,,Beatiful precious life'' when you're a slave,so he decided to kill himself since he knew that he can't be on top and he will have to face justice for his actions(return to being a slave).Such a badass and tragic character.
Not the perfect character but with your description you made that a lot more approachable with his character development.
I tip my sword to you in respect
Wait so he did not survive?
Mann what a badass villain to the end
Dude I'm getting Gaius flashback because of the sheer badassness.
Finally! Someone who doesn’t diss on any characters of Xillia.
I swear the fights with Vholran were the hypest moments in this game
Man he is so badass. Such a great villain
In japanese you don't even need to look at him , just listen him , his voice actors is aizen xD
@@Elyakel ok, now that sounds scary.
@@Elyakel aizen from bleach?
@@gavingonzalez367 yes
Just found out he has the same VA as Claude from Fire Emblem: Three Houses. Wtf
And Aizen due to the character voice in Japanese is the man himself Shō Hayami.
Nice to get a major villain whose element is water
Ngl,it does have some final fantasy reminisce to it. Nothing too bad though. Such a wonderful game for the tales series.
Because Alphen and Volhran and Zidane and Kuja. Lifts a lot from FF9
Sephiroth Jr
He tried to kill Hootle!
Now it's personal.
Oh hi Tales of version of Sephiroth!
Yes... he reminds me of sephiroth for some odd reason. lol
Must be the silver hair, you can totally see silver hair under that hood. Although that first scene reminds me of when Sephiroth one shot Ifrit, or when he killed the Great Serpent and impaled it on a tree trunk.
test subject, hate what he has become and grow hatred for the world itself and think everything rightfully belongs to him.
I've noticed as time goes by he kinda also reminds me of Astor from Hyrule warriors age of calamity. lol
@Dawn Razor Kefka? hmmm he doesn't seem to be the type that dances mad like a prancing dad much like kefka though...
@Dawn Razor He also doesn't have that crazy laugh of Kefka's lol
Always did love Hootle. Brave little Hootle!
Ok he is without a doubt an Tales of series S tier Antagonist I haven’t seen an antagonist in the series this evil since Shizel From tales of Eternia and she’s consider a devil
There is Artorious in Berseria.
@@artimuos903 Artorius was doing something he believes was best for mankind he maybe an antagonist but calling him full evil on evil isn’t something I would do he’s more like “I have good intentions but I’m doing the wrong thing to achieve them”
Wish he had a little more deph, but he's badass for sure. But for a main villian a little more fleshing out would've done wonders
"And like a restless lover, I've come back for more."
**Joe Zieja eyeing the script**
"Okay, sure."
Bruh I still get so mad every time I watch him swing at hootle like that. I am absolutely in love with this game though, saddens me that it will be probably another 4 years before I can play a tales game again. I always get so invested then basically get depressed once I finish 🤣 love these games.
Same man but that shows how good it is and how hard the developers tried to put out quality jrpg games
Also, when he kneed rinwell I was like “Chillllll she’s 14!” D:
Me too! the first time I play through that part my eyes watered thinking hootle would die ,I was not ready for that beat down scene
Glad I'm not the only who thought that Alphen looks better with his school uniform hair in that outfit
wow I know vholran was edgy but everyone in this comments section wanted him to have an understandable reason for being the way he is. Dudes just evil, not everyone needs to be talk-no-jutsu'd into being good.
Damn He tried to kill Hootle
I am sad he lacked the moral ambiguity and depth of some of the better Tales Antagonists, but holy shit can the man sword fight like a beast.
How would you add that?
@@pn2294 Oh it could’ve been done easily. His backstory is so similarly to Alphen’s, and his motivation only needs to be ruling over others for him to be a perfect foil.
You could have done it numerous ways, but I personally would have had his kingdom be one where the Renen’s were the ones enslaved and put to work. One where he had freed the Danan’s and genuinely was serving as a strong and forthright ruler in all other ways besides that, with the exception that the people were all so fanatically devoted to him that they didn’t think for themselves. It’s in line with his backstory and motivations and you’d just need to make him an obviously less unhinged character when he first appears, killing monsters en masse, I would plant dialogue implying he’s been doing this a lot, saving Danan’s from them. For the second, rather then attack immediately, I would have his attitude be more cordial, specifically towards Alphen, who he would have sought out for his liberation of the other realms, only for him to see Dohalim and presume the worst. From there he could kick the parties ass as per usual, but clearly be focused on the Renan’s and when Hootle flies up in front of Rinwell, have him actually back off and shift focus back to the others to continue fighting. When the Sovereign power awakens, have him look surprised and then confusedly ask “Then why…?” Before leaving, implying he concluded that Alphen has been through everything he has and can’t understand why he would fight alongside the Renan’s after seeing them at their worst and after everything they had done to him.
The fight with him in his Kingdom would be way more interesting, because his people love him and consider him their savior, but he’s using Renan’s to collect Mana (this would work, obviously, because spoilers) and is treating them all like cattle out of revenge. When confronting him he could say he doesn’t intend to forgive the Renen’s for their crimes, and that he intends to extend his control to all the world, because before himself Dahna wasn’t exactly peaceful either, and it needs a strong perfect Sovereign to stay as peaceful as his Kingdom, and to ensure that another Renan invasion doesn’t ever happen again. The party would still disagree with and fight him, but it would be a lot more grey. Also his people would despise them after they’d won.
From there not much needs to change, but I would actually have him slip in and succeed in subjugating the Great Spirit, actually using the stolen Renas Alma to control it. Have him free Shionne, removing it from her using his control, and have him state that he intends to use its power to become an all powerful undying Sovereign, that he will return the power to Dahna, and that now that he realizes Renen’s are Danan’s that we’re corrupted by their enemy, he will not blame them for being victims. Instead he will make this Great Spirit and the true Renan’s suffer for their crimes, and rule Dahna as a paradise under his sovereign rule forever. No war, no crime that goes unpunished, no corruption.
Again, the party would still fight him, and now they aren’t doing it just to save their friend, but to champion the things they’ve learned through their journey. He would understand their perspective, but unable to agree with them, and be even a little regretful they had fight, but in the end…
But that’s just one way you could do it. That would’ve felt more like a normal tales antagonist to me.
Tbh he didn't have to be this morally-grey anti-villian, but the fact all the villans were the same makes it a lot more of a letdown.
@@haveagoodday7021 better than being same as past Tales villains
@@pn2294 But most of the past Tales Antagonist’s, or the good ones, anyway, have been fairly distinct. Just because they were designed to be “fallen heroes” and Antivillain’s doesn’t mean they’re “the same”.
And anyway by that logic, not being a tales villain would be “being the same as 95% of all other villains in fiction.”
It's ironic, rinwell and vholran are most likely the last living danan mages, vholran's strength might foreshadow the level of power rinwell can also achieve as she learns and grows. I can see why danan mages were so feared and respected by both regular danans and renans alike. And while it's never specifically said, I think alphen is also a magic user, at least to some extent.
Damn you Sephiroth!
Rinwell getting taken out by vholran casually there.
Vholran My Favorite Tales' Antagonist.
Haven’t seen a tales of series villian this evil since Shizel from Tales of Eternia and she’s was consider the devil herself because of how possessed she was
the moment i saw Vholran for the first time: What is Sephiroth doing here!?
Hahaha he also gives me Aizen vibe due to his Japanese voice actor.
Second phase I revived a thousands times.
But what an epic boss and I am proud his élément is water like my astrological sign.
12/10
He’s so hot ngl
I was hoping there'd be more...depth to his character but he was pretty badass.
to some extent yes, but im glad with what we have here, we arent suppose to understand a psychopathic monster as he is, even if our curiosity says otherwise.
@@MyNameisRevenant True but it felt like his dialogue towards Alphen was hinting at something more like they have crosses paths in the past or something. Or their destinies were intertwined on a greater scale.
@@SolidSnake240 They never crossed paths.
Alphen is 300 years older than him.
It’s more along of a contrast between the two characters.
Alphen fights to protect. He fights for love and friendship. He is a guide and a pillar of light. When life got hard, Alphen wasn’t alone. Zephyr built him into a man, taught him not to be a slave by mindset.
Vohlran is simply the opposite, he doesn’t fight for those reasons. He’s always alone. He is a slave to that kind of mindset.
They both started at the same place in life (a slave) but ended in two different paths
Man knows how to make an entrance
I felt so bad for rinwell at 2:57 😢
Me too
Yes! I was like 'how is she not dead? "
How Rinwell didnt die from that beat down he gave her and poor hootle 😭
Fr lmao
My question is how the hell does vholran get on his throne? It's a good 20ish feet up, and I don't see any visible means of climbing up there.
He can teleport buddy lol
Plus he can jump like 20 meters without a running start.
How does master Xehanort sit on his throne?
@@OrganizationXIII How does Sosuke Aizen sit on his throne? Japanese voice the same as Aizen by the way.
Bold of you to assume that that dude is not a superhuman
cool villian, badass fighting style
RINWELL HIT THE GROUND SO HARD SHE BOUNCED
1:40 the curbstomp episode.
I have to admit that all the antagonists especially Volhan in this new tales series are a bit of let down. None of them had made a strong impression in my eyes with their characters nor their goals.
I think it's because they are much more one dimensional evil than usual. After being spoiled by mostly relatable villains, we have this edgy nihilist who needs nobody and his band of asshole looking out for themselves
I agree. It seemed like the antagonists were plot devices for each party member’s personal development. It’s an interesting departure from the usual “misguided antagonist” in Tales history.
Also there was ample oppertunity to make more of him. If we use a standard Jrpg trope he could have been Alphens brother who was sent up together with him and now resents him for xyz anime bs.
In theory he is pretty cool, because everyone is worms beneath his feet and he assembled this entire city of mindslaves, but we never get to see why he was this deranged.
He is the ultimate ego trip fantasy, like if someone would write themselves into a popular anime to mess with the story or the characters, but for no actual reason at all.
@@Realag666 most Tales antagonists aside Chrono in Destiny had good reasons to want to destroy the world and had shown some degree of remorse and caring to some of their allies and foes. The ones in Tales of Arise were all self centered, ruthless and psychopathic maniacs who wants to rule the world for themselves.
@@blackraven3436 I mean, yeah, Vholran is a huge let down, like, I like the way he make renans cramble on his feets, he is a dahnan afterall, so he lived as a slave before. I mean, he's just giving them back what they deserve. But why is he vilain toward Alphen who is like him ??
13:41 badass pose
When i showed this pg to my brother he said: "he's so edgy his katana wields another katana".
your brother is a genius, a funny one.
You dont know how irritated i became when he suddenly appeared at the final moment,because before that they kept spamming enemy then suddenly he came😡
he just appear out of nowhere just to be like "No I'm the one who would finish the job" and ruin everything up
what a shitty way to write a villian
Not going to lie, I cheered.
man, the costumes really break the immersion. lol
Welcome to the Tales series
Personally for a first playthrough I never mess with the costumes and accessories because I want to take everything how it's meant to be. For a second playthrough though I like changing costumes and making characters goofy sometimes.
@@Cure_Gorgeous yep, thats how i play it too,
I just finished the game today and after the final battle Vholran is such a sore loser. He loses in a duel against Alphen so his reaction is to take the Renas Alma, which wasn’t his to take since he lost the fight, and blow it and himself up. It’s like a kid losing a game and kicking the ball into the woods.
He then calls Alphen "selfish" for trying to save both Shionne and the world and that it's a path to "corruption" and "betrayal". You want to rule over everyone with an iron-spiked fist! How is that better?!
Is this trying to setup a sequel? He says he'll be waiting in the dark....
@@chrisdaughen5257 Waiting in the dark huh? That's something that Sephiroth most likely say. Anyways in Japanese he has the same voice as Aizen.
He's obviously not meant to be liked at all, so that was clearly the intention.
He kind of remind me of Miktran from tales of Destiny
So did he survive or not? When i played from the cutscene it looked like it but considering he survived two times he might be alive
Cool dude but Gaius is still my favorite antagonist if the tales series
0:30 When you see a messy and disgusting bathroom.
Easiest boss in the game. I was playing the highest difficulty and smoked this fool in ten minutes
Hands down the best villain of all tales games
What costume is Shionne wearing when they go to the ice throne to talk to him? Is it dlc which one?
You get it with story progress, same as Alphen's.
I still can't figure out why alphen gets hurt by the thorns but the lord seems fine like it don't hurt him ?
might be due to him being a soverign that it doesn't effect him all that much
@@nyhtfall1969 or maybe he's too used to pain to the point he doesn't feel it anymore... he was a slave after all.
@@eliasacevedo5711 makes sense
Gigachad Vholran
There is the elden ring raptors black feathers armor inspired from
This has been nagging me for a long time since I've played this game. at around 12:55, you see Vholran grin down at Shionne like he's planning to do something to her, and later even Law voices his concerns about it. You don't think he... did you know what right?
I think the main reason he kidnapped Shionne was to hurt Alphen. I mean, during their first fight she took a sword to the chest for him and Alphen's reaction made it pretty obvious Shionne was really important to him. More so if you consider the fact that Vholran views Alphen as an anemy that must be taken down no matter what. Also, I think it's safe to assume that Vohlran knew that he needed the power of the maiden to create the Renas Alma and that might have been another reason since he says "Did you really come all this way just so I could take you back over his dead body?" implying that he would take Shionne regarless of Alphen being dead or alive. I'm not sure about this argument though because he also knew about the room made to replace the maiden. Finally, I think what Law was refering to was the fact that Shionne was somewhat confident in her abilities but when they found her in the castle she was basically an empty shell, as if Vholran had brainwashed her like his subjects. I think Law was affraid that she might not come back and Vholran would make her do somethimg crazy like he did with the people he sent to take their own lives for him. Of course, I could be wrong but that's what I think.
I really wanted to like Vholran as a villain. But lord he's such a one dimensional mustache twirling villain. I don't need every game to have a misguided villain with relatable issues. I'm all for an evil villain who rides the bad boy train with no remorse. But dammit, they never make it cool anymore. When Vholran showed up as the 'Mysterious Swordsman', he was incredible. He was ruthless, mysterious, and badass. His voice was less 'Mwahaha' and he seemed to be here on a personal notion to test out someone else who is like him, that being Alphen. To fix this guy, I wanted to see more of him, to hear his origin before the literal last moments of the damn game. I wish Vholran kept his more hushed and menacing personality, and to hear that even he realizes that he's become something even worse than what once enslaved him. To have Alphen question why he'd do this, and Vholran know and admit that he's beyond redemption, and finds the world unfit for liberating. He'd be the perfect counter to Alphen, and could issue a challenge like 'If your conviction is stronger than my own, then perhaps this world is worth a second chance. But I'm the final test, if your ideals are carved away by my blade, then it just shows I was right in the end, and this world is better off under my own rule.' Basically, Vholran could have one last shred of humanity force him to seek out the other 'Sovereign' who is taking the morally right path. If only we fought this man three times before the big final confrontation in his domain. The 1st is fine, then say the second, we manage to get him to turn on his ice sword, only to get our asses kicked again. So for Vholran, his conviction is reaffirmed after wishing to see what his other path might have led him, which would then be coughing up blood on the damn ground before his might. Meanwhile, the party sees that this man is strong enough on his own to carry out his twisted ideal that the world is better off under his rule. This 'villain' was once just like them, and though he's a monster now, he truly does believe that his path is the only way to unify everything under an iron subjugation. After all, the party has seen that even their own kind can be just as bad as the damn slavers, if not worse when carrying a 300 year long vendetta.
But then of course you'd beat him, and to see him take the loss and even find some measure of hope for the future in his final moments would have added so much complexity to him. An evil man born from tragic origins, but one who knows it and willingly chooses that path until someone manages to finally prove to him that the twisted world he hates can come together in the very end. Boom, a badass, evil, ruthless villain with a dash of humanity in the end.
Instead we got a screaming baby who whined about how he can't rule everything wha wha wha UGH. Tales....you're better than this.
@Anton Liebert Brain Kun Flashback from Abyss. I felt so sorry for Arietta.
he is just a wannabe protagonist who be an obsticle just because the plot needs him to
Yea and I didn’t like how the lords all get killed after you fought them. I do sort of like the villains being recurring rivals to the party ( The abyss is a great example, all of the god general got a backstory and a reason to side with the main villain ) I wish we get a villain who just a product of their own environment. Sort of like Omni man from invincible. Or a villain who does have a tragic backstory but they did too much sinister things that redeeming them or even letting them live isn’t gonna benefit anyone.
@@brazyfever787 but Vholran is a villain that is a product of their environment tho
@awakenedusopp Im going to have to disagree with you there, there are many other good villain or antagonist characters in the tales of series with depth.
At the first cutscenes he reminds me of Sephiroth a lot
yeah, the moment i saw him in the winter area with that big as katana my Final fantasy 7 PTSD kicked in.
True
He kind of reminds me of Melifice from grandia 2
I still don't know why he killed Almeidrea. Also what happened to all the winners of the crown contest and their Renas Alma. What's the point of making Renas Alma every 7 years when there's no Sovereign to do the ritual until Vhoran came along?
It was for the destruction of the other planet
It's every 10 years, they're on the 7th year of the decade long contest.
Vholran hates the weak, and he hates the Renans even more + he's evil
Dude went "Allahu Akbar" in the end
Not as good villain as Arthur from Berseria but better fighter than anyone from Tales of Berseria.
For Me Vholran is Better Than Artorios.
Vholran is Great. For me The Best Antagonist of Tales.
@@plusgtr1st124 better then Artorious yea no lol Vholrans cool and all but his character doesn't have much to him compared to artorius who's a more thought out villian and really pushes things along for velvets character and all
@@nyhtfall1969
For Me:
Vholran>Artorius
Alphen>Velvet
@@plusgtr1st124
Velvet solos the entire arise cast in character and skill alone. 😏
tales le lleva la milla a star ocean
gracioso es que el segundo acto del juego se siente mas como star ocean que el mismo star ocean 5.
@@MyNameisRevenant la star ocean 4 es la que mas me ha gustado , pero mi favorita es la 1
4:19 i'm sure i've seen this before
Idk why but when he took off his hood and Shionne gasped and he took her, I thought they were gonna have a deeper connection which would give him some depth. Also when he said "Did you really come all this way, just so I could take you back over his dead body?" Shionne was also the first person he addressed and looked at when they entered the throne room.
I guess Vholran x Shionne is my fav toxic ship for this particular Tales game and I'm sad there wasn't something deeper going on between them (romantic or otherwise).
Yeah same here. When I saw that I was like "ah here it is my enemies ship". I would have loved more scenes between them just to see them fleshed out in a sense of "this side of the story".
I don't even think he died in the end. Just disappeared??? But could've been potentially one of the best villains if he kept his cool demeanor with the hoodie and was written better. A little bit of back story about why he is the way he is. Some of the stuff he did was pointless tbh. And what was he even doing out killing them Zeugles when you 1st met him? Why didn't he attack Alphen then? Etc. Ending was a bit underwhelming. Especially fighting the great spirit lol. Idk my expectations were too high after seeing all his bad ass scenes in the 1st half. Then kinda became a brat. Almost thought Sephiroth was gonna have some competition as the greatest bad ass villain smh
So, he’s basically Bandai Namco’s Sephiroth, right?
Man carried the story
I wish that was true
@@dominickdixson5523 compared to the other mid villains in the story
@@chikipichi5280 I was honestly disappointed with the villains, they were all kinda one dimensional characters.
@@dominickdixson5523 Yes tis quite a shame. The story itself is just kinda overall meh. Fun gameplay tho.
Tales of Xillia had the last decent set of villains.
@@dominickdixson5523 i dont know, i dont think the villains in this game are actually that bad, i grew tired of trying to understand every villain's intention and back story, having an one dimensional villains feels refreshing somehow, nothing stops me from beating them to pulp, especially for how psychotic, and horrible human beings they are, also there is a plot reason why their life's origins are kept secret from everyone, even the player. I will not deny that the story could have been managed better.
Does he actually die in the end or is he coming back for a sequel ?
There is most likely no sequel since they ended the game with alphen and shionne marriage.
Couldn't tell you... my bet is that he teleported elsewhere, since you can see white particles where he was before the explosion, but maybe he did die.
I wanted to show my friend that one cutscene in the midgame after the second fight, but I am at that point in the game, so in searching for this footage I have been spoiled that this guy does in fact come back ffs smh.
Even though he's not really well developed, he does have good fights
Talk about a waste of a great character design and Joe Zieja's excellent voice work.
They build up a decent narrative and our ultimate villain is essentially a guy so crazy that he has no real motive or ideology.
I love this game. 45-60 second commercials are garbage. Thumbs down, dislike, and not recommending this channel...
I beat him and i fell asleep through it XD
There was alot of wasted potential with this villain. Peak character design though.
So we got a villain that's forgettable as some of the Marvel villains named
Sephiroth
I MEAN Voltron
I MEAN Vholran.
I can’t be the only one who thought this guy kinda sucked as an antagonist, right? Like, his dynamic with Alphen is cool, being his opposite and all, but his style just feels so unoriginal to me. Just another edgy bad guy who looks down on “pathetic things like friendship and coexistence”. At least the fight scenes between him and Alphen are awesome!
what a waster of a villian. we bearly get to see him, minimal explanation, shoe in symbolism and those ending scenes its like saying we give up here....the only good thing about him us the sense if treat. but then again he is the easiest lord.
Easiest? Nah I wouldn't go there far.
Lmfao this 🧢! 😭😭
Omg why english
A wannabe protagonist
Horrible character that only exists to add ambiguous netorare to the "plot". He's also easy in-game, and only ever does anything with bullshit cutscene powers.
If Claude (FE3H) turned to the dark side.