How to conquer workplace discrimination when HR doesn't solve the problem | Alvin Hall
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Workplace discrimination is often subtle but very real, says financial educator and author Alvin Hall. The majority of society may not always see it but minority groups experience it on a daily bias.
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ALVIN HALL :
Alvin Hall is an internationally renowned financial educator, television and radio broadcaster, bestselling author, and regular contributor to magazines, newspapers, and websites.
For five years on the BBC, he hosted the highly rated and award-winning series, “Your Money or Your Life,” on which he offered both practical financial and psychological advice to people about how to take control of and fix their financial problems. His radio program, Jay-Z: From Brooklyn to the Boardroom, won the Wincott Foundation Press and Broadcasting Award for the best radio program for 2006. Hall has also hosted programs on current events and contemporary art for BBC Radio 4 including After Katrina and most recently, Alvin Hall’s Generations of Money. An eight-part television series for BBC World News called Alvin’s Guide to Good Business was broadcast internationally in 2010. In the US, he is a regular contributor on personal finance and the economy on NPR’s Tell Me More with Michel Martin.
Among Hall’s bestselling books are: You and Your Money: It’s More than Just the Numbers, Your Money or Your Life (winner of the WHSmith 2003 People’s Choice Award), What Not to Spend, Getting Started in Mutual Funds 2nd Edition, and Getting Started in Stocks 3rd Edition. His children’s book, Show Me the Money, has been published in over 20 foreign-language editions. In the US, the book has been named a Best Children’s Book of the Year (2009) by the Bank St. Book Committee, which is run by the Bank Street College of Education. It was also named a Notable Social Studies Trade Book for Young People (2009) by a joint project of the National Book Council for Social Studies and the Children’s Book Council.
Hall lives in New York City where he designs and teaches classes about the investment markets for financial services companies, banks, regulatory authorities, as well as information and technology vendors. His acclaimed classroom programs and speaking engagements have provided thousands of people with a solid grounding in such topics as the workings of financial markets, investment products, effective investment strategies, reducing debt, planning for retirement and personal financial management. Alvin Hall is a member of the NYSE Euronext Financial Literacy Advisory Committee to help develop programs to improve knowledge about all aspects of personal finance among the general public. He is also on the Acquisitions Committee of the Studio Museum in Harlem.
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Alvin Hall: Many people think that as you rise through the ranks and become successful and you start earning money-as an African American-that all of this prejudiced interaction goes away, that it doesn’t exist.
But you can walk into a building and a guard in a building, because of the way you look, the way you’re dressed decides he or she is going to put you in your place. They’re going to show you who has the power here.
So when that happens you have a whole different dynamic that you have to deal with. And I can tell you from experience that when this happens to you, other white people around you don’t see it. They just don’t see it. But you can tell by the tone of voice, the way they delay dealing with you, all of these subtle things tell you what’s going on, and then you have to find a way, if this is a place you come to repeatedly, to adjust. But the major thing I tell everyone is that you have to get this out of your soul before you go home because you can’t take this type of anger into your house, because it sits there, it festers, and that anger becomes more undermining long term. Because eventually you’re going to walk into a building and somebody’s going to do that to you, and you’re not going to be able to handle it, you’re going to lose your temper.
Today I feel that if you live in a big urban area you can basically have whatever identity you want, because people will at least not (in general) attack you, yell at you, call you names. That does happen, but you can go through a whole day, maybe a whole week without that happening.
When I was growing up I was lucky if I could get through a day not being reminded in a pejorative way that I was black, tha...
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Being the only visible minority or one of the few minorities at work, it can feel like you're held to a higher standard and you are scrutinized more. Alot of it is so subtle too. For instance, any mistakes you make is seen as more "serious" and "magnified" with harsher punishments. Whereas, the white coworkers who make exact, same mistake are given a pass ("Oh, it's a learning curve.", "Oh, it's no big deal. Everybody makes mistakes. They're only human."). It's almost like you have to work 10x harder than white coworkers just to prove yourself.
I literally got fired for this smh
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Most of IT is run by Whites and some LBGT+ as if both of the them do not want ethnic straight men to be there. They are the who set you up to fail since they know the flaws of the enterprise software….😢😢😢
@@ldivinerealnesssorry about that
What happened?
@@ldivinerealnessno way-well except I thought I was fired… I was just left in the dark for a ‘bit’ around my birthday too for months and I’m sure after the events that happened no one would want the employee that was there for 25 years to get in trouble after that harassment incident. That was with one employee Jamaican lady since I noticed her purse showing it and this one black dude that was just the most horrific encounter ever, no matter how extremely nice you are, never matters.
My background is-I for some reason pass as Spanish which I’m not…although biracial and majority black family AND on top of that I’m part of the lgbt community who looks…let’s just say different…to others expectations to say the least so to a lot of people I’m a huge mess including my disabilities.
Damn, pick a struggle, amiright? It’s already hard enough figuring myself out and then you have to figure out the world somehow to please the masses just to like you or whatever. lol too much going on here. Although just started a new job aaand yup it happens very subtly sometimes…obviously. Can’t wait to leave Florida 🫠 dear lord save my soul pft
HR is there for the company, not the employee.
I agree
I have dealt with racism, discrimination and lack of respect my entire career in advertising. It takes a lot to not react to these sick, evil people. But we must forgive, and rise higher than them!
So true. This happened every time I went to my old job. Luckily I'm an entrepreneur now and I don't have to deal with that bigotry.
I’m dealing with this now. When I first started working I was too young and had no knowledge on what racism actually was. However, I was experiencing it. Now I’m a bit older and my father passed, I’m standing up for myself. We should not be forced to work in discriminating and hostile working environments, if there’s better for us. I’m hoping that when I go to HR they will make the best decision for us both.
Did HR help at all?
@@neworld2.073 they never help. Unless the aggressor give you writing - "Yes. I hate . So I will actively discriminate against you". All this will be called as miscommunication.
HR never helps; I learned that early in my career.
Educate us! I am a victim of racial discrimination and yes these issues for the black, brown, gay, disabled, etc., communities are still very prevalent today!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
What this man is speaking is my lived experience. Props to you. This is why I plan to spend the rest of my life in a major city. Growing up in the Midwest, it’s hard not to internalize these microaggressions
I agree with you but the apartments on the towers can be racists too not to mention exclusive parking spaces. I guess that's why the suburbs is so self-segregated.
Chicago is the same, where do you think all the racist midwest white assholes all move?
Y'all are so dismissive of this man's experience. All he did was highlight the more subtle aspects of discrimination with a story. This channel is not about forcing some guilt upon you for what you might have done, no one is accusing you hopefully. The channel is simply looking to share a resonant perspective which might be outside of your comfort zone. No one is asking you to bow down, but a little respect for the dignity of a human goes a long way.
I’m dealing with right now and it’s beginning to really affect me. This is difficult
Sometimes , I feel like everyone in my life is that guard, trying to keep me in “my place”.
I'm from new York but 2 years back me and my family moved to Pennsylvania to be closer to family since then i go tru this daily. It's truly a unsettling feeling deep inside because in the bottom of your heart you know 99% of the time they get away with it.
Thank you. That was a good explenation how discrimination had a negative impact on his life. It makes me feel sad nobody stepped in to do Anything about it.
I was thinking he was talking about 40 tot 50 years ago and the I realise he is not that old. Or he is a lot older than he looks. I call bull shit on this story. This is from multiple decades ago or something he heard from somebody else.
Not only you but Canadians too! I was 'sterilized' after ovarian surgery. 22 years later 8 feet cut off colon. More surgeries...No cure! Brother dead after surgery on back, father dead from hearbreak. Within 40 days brother, dad and my dog 'bled' out and died. younger brother dead in bed, mother dies heartache. Teaching credential had earned stripped as surgeries required needed attention (bowel liquid coming out of my belly button). The 'noble' kill, is one sword in the gut. Help as 3 out of 7 members of family from Canada alive. We are all naturalized Americans too.
@@thijsjong you're the guard & coworkers he's talking about.
What he's saying is true--to the point of being common sense. When white people see racism, most don't have the courage to speak up against it. This is human nature. Most people are not brave and so when in our comfortable places, we extol bravery. But when we're call on to show or even support bravery in trying times, we clam up. Thus, many who don't recognize this common sense are serious still clouded by emotions. Once they calm down, they'll see the truth. Always too late, huh, Holocaust.
I feel this man’s anger. I also see how those commenting might believe that what he’s talking about isn’t real.
The interesting thing here is that those that say that it’s in his head are dismissing his lifetime of experience and injecting their guess. It’s a little rude and maybe a little ignorant.
I wonder how clear cut a case it needs to be before we can conclude that racism is going on. I suspect that the consequences of having made that conclusion are too dire - we would have to change the way we are and make ourselves a little better.
He's right, its all the subtle nuances in the way white people interact with you that starts building up that "hood rage" we Latinos feel it too. Man, I'm hispanic living in Canada and I can relate to this to a certain degree . And I almost look white! its crazy, brothers have a rough time up here. this is 2023! and still going on. it's not right.
I am black Canadian. The saddest part is that people think Canada is better than the US in terms of racism. There are many publicity about racism in the US such as the killing of black people by the police.
Else, I find racism in Canada to be just as bad as in the US. The Canadian racism is much subtle but it can still eat you terribly
People with mental health issues feel this discrimination as well. Not completely the same as being a different color of skin. However in a way very similar. This man speaks the truth and also he should do more videos this man's voice is so absolutely calming.
Yeah, with diagnosed autism it's quite similar. In some ways it's gotten worse with a misnomer that "everyone has autism" that's actually "everyone has ADHD" these days because it shares 1/3 of the characteristics in attention so digitally distracted throughout the day - understandably confused but those alone don't signify full blown autism, whether asperger's higher function or lower requiring assistance. From my experience, it's the full blown ostracism in groups over time and shutting down just as well that's unsustainable - so 1-2 years at a job is typically all that's tolerable before it's time to move on. Growing absolutely sick of the toxic discriminatory culture without any support or advocation of the inclusive policies (beyond official discussion about such policies ) and time for a new one that's energizing again basically, not yet seasoned the exclusion.
I'm being bullied by my supervisor & upper management right now & now they are telling me I can't work over time. Just Me! And my time that I did work they did not pay me for. I'm so frustrated about this because this & other instances has caused me soo much stress ect. How do I prove this & how can they be reprimanded for thier horrible behavior!?
@Aimee Graves If you work OT and you were not paid the company is obligated to pay you. File a claim with EEOC. They will have to pay you along with a penalty. If you’re being discriminated against find an employment attorney.
Going through this for the first time in my life. Funny thing is it's not a white person (Asian guy) I spoke up about it, might lose my job this week but still happy I spoke up and said something
How'd it turn out?
@@ddneq677 nothing got resolved and I was told not to come back next year lol (it was a season job anyway)
I like how this comment section literally is proving his point
Because people feel so fuckin uncomfortable to find out racism is alive and well
2:22 Those walls can really waste a lot of positive energy. Thank you for sharing your story.
I'm going through it right now, I have only been on the job 10 days.
How did it go?
I am a woman of color and I have the same experience with my white supervisor. She always finds something wrong with what I do. So sad. I had another white boss in the past, but she treated me differently - without prejudice.
Same being mentally ill person. its always "have you taken your meds". I finally learned to speak my mind and let the chips fall where they may. Life is too short for other people b.s.
youngse22 Couldn't agree more.
Most people who do this kind of stuff are cowards. Its why they go after those they perceive as weak.
So put them in their place, with witnesses if possible. To avoid things getting ugly.
Security guards tend to be unfriendly and like to show off their power in my experience. I used to do deliveries working the same route and meeting the same security guards every day. Many (not all) were unfriendly and uncooperative, and made my work unnecessarily difficult. It felt to me like they just liked to push their weight around and show me who's boss. I was a poor young white man at the time, and they were mostly middle aged white men. The most difficult ones were ex-army, which might explain something. Having said that, I don't see anything wrong with making sure staff always wear their security badges, as long as it's applied equally to all staff.
You never answered how to handle it
As a black dude who grew up in Detroit being downtown Detroit, going into one of the malls, one of the stores, and maybe might be filled with a bunch of white people there. As soon as you see a bunch of black people walking to the store, the guy dreadlocks sagging their pants, rapping songs and making noises and looking very uncomfortable with themselves and are insecure. They walk into store, I expect them not to have any money, I expect him to do no good, I expect him to steal and if not act ghetto. This is coming from a black dude, by the way.
I honestly don't understand this logic. I mean, not the logic of "black man doesn't see racism", but like seeing an alien culture and expecting them to do bad things. Maybe you have had bad experiences with them though, I don't know.
KeshmarOrange the logic I'll get now and days is that only black people have these experiences, and therefore we have to shine a light on these people and this group of people, just because they're a "minority".
Yeah, it's weird. I know. But the experiences of individuals can vary wildly within a demographic, such as within the black community. That does mean that the problem isn't racist in the sense that it affects every black person. And it's good that some black folks like yourself seem to not have a problem. But I just don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that there are still genuine racist people out there, and they fortunately can't personally target every black person.
But I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt anyway, and I actively try caring about each side of any given issue, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But as I've said as a response to another comment, it seems like the guy in the video is actually trying to talk down the people who think they are being targeted by racism(whether they are or not) from being assholes or violent. Telling them to let it go once they leave the scene and all. That seems pretty beneficial to me.
@@TheBlackConservative1776Not only you but Canadians too! I was 'sterilized' after ovarian surgery. 22 years later 8 feet cut off colon. More surgeries...No cure! Brother dead after surgery on back, father dead from hearbreak. Within 40 days brother, dad and my dog 'bled' out and died. younger brother dead in bed, mother dies heartache. Teaching credential had earned stripped as surgeries required needed attention (bowel liquid coming out of my belly button). The 'noble' kill, is one sword in the gut. Help as 3 out of 7 members of family from Canada alive. We are all naturalized Americans too.
😂 The bing stopped by the security guard constantly so relatable.
This exactly happened to me. I walk in a large corporation and never had a problem with security. One day, some guy who is not part of security saw me entering behind someone instead of using my badge but between 2 floors (this is very common when you don't have your 2 hands, i had a coffee in one hand and my laptop in the other). But he went around asking my colleagues if I work here (wtf he's not even security?) then he kept asking me to show him my badge. I ended up showing him my badge just to shut him and then asked him if he does this with everyone or if it's just me. He got angry and went to complain to the director of my department. I ended up apologizing to the director if it made the department look bad that we're having this 'fight' but I did not apologize to the scumbag. I explained to the director that i felt racially profiled and wouldn't make a big fuss if that guy asked nicely which he didn't.
Note: I am not black but I am middle eastern and I live in a European country that is terrified of Middle Easterners.
This is not even the craziest story, I've dealt with worse type of racism, and the worst is when it's coming from close friends and people I trusted with my soul.
Trust no one with your soul except The Lord God & His Son Yeshua (Jesus/Isa.)
People will always fail you, whether they mean to or not... we forgive & love with Christ' help... but never put all your trust in a human.
Discrimination goes past just the work place and it's still disgusting I'm trying to get into the online space to have to stop dealing with it I'm half white and still have that pride deep inside no person will tell me how my life is ment to be
This vid didn't teach what the title indicates.
"don't bring it home with you" doesn't solve anything, it just keeps the badness contained.
Thank you for clearly articulating an experience that is so common to so many of us.
Thank you, I'm going threw work place descrimnation right now, none of those white human resources and district managers cared, and I was the best worker there!
Me too. Same exact thing. It’s painful
@@MultiVales I needed up winning my lawsuit,..!
Today I experienced racism from a group of girls who tried to intimidate me because I'm from North Africa and them from France.
There’s no way of knowing what it’s like to be in his shoes, so we shouldn’t dismiss his perspective. But I am a little confused about the security guard story: it seemed like strict, impersonal administration or posturing on the part of the guard rather than discrimination. Were the non-minority people right in front of him treated differently? It’s probably best to suspend judgment until more information is known.
And same goes for him. Kinda funny how most blacks like himself would deny that white people suffer or they face racism themself. Kinda ridiculous we have to him seriously. But everyone else is ignored just because of their skin color.
As an ethnic minority, I have experienced the same as the person on the video. I live in Ireland, I've met two white Irish individuals in my life who gave me a cold shoulder, just being nice on my face if needs be and doesn't greet me but would greet or say farewell to other colleagues who are Irish as I walk side by side with those same colleagues. I could tell that those people judge me from my skin colour and also they are generally more friendly to fellow Irish than with other nationalities. The guy on the video reported the guard's behaviour to HR but I think what he doesn't realize is that it is difficult to prove racism from being rude, and the guard's attitude could easily be described a such.
The Irish people are generally nice I have to say, but with rising xenophobia across the Western world, for me I've started second guessing whether or not the rudeness of the person directed at me is just being rude or has an underlying prejudice because of my skin colour. Interesting enough, a white guy guy I talked to conversely acknowledges the struggle of us coloured ethnic minorities; to him a person who was rude to him was maybe was just being rude but acknowledges that PoC's might however second guess.
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okcoca The effects and results of bigotry is essentially the same throughout the world.
Ireland is generally left leaning and welcoming as a society but of course it doesn't mean that it's completely devoid of prejudice.
okcoca What i am trying to refute is when you said this: "i was discussing america strictly as the speaker and myself are in a very different country than yourself..."
What makes you think that the effects and result of discrimination differs in places? No matter how the prejudiced behaves to the person different, the net result is that you are not treated and given the same opportunity and/or dignity as a human being that would otherwise be granted by prejudiced if you are not perceived differently. Just look at the entire history of the human race and you'd see groups of people fighting with each other for one reason. If it's not race- it's religion, gender, tribes or class that would be the given excuse to hate.
"Everybody IS locked in their reality tunnel, but it is ridiculous to pretend that in knowing that you cannot navigate that. It is from knowing your barrels bent that you correct for it in the sights. Everyone being cryptofascists is a fear that you make true when you expect it to be true"
Of course and I am not saying that everyone is closeted bigots. I should clarify that what I am saying is that we all have biases whether conscious or unconscious. I could definitely tell you that I have had biases but thankfully I have realized what they are and corrected them. However, as Sherlock Holmes said: Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. As me and the speaker already laid our case, why else were the guys rude to me and the guard was rude to the speaker on the video? I also have to mention that one of the person who is giving me cold shoulder asked me where I am from immediately during our first one-on-one conversation, rather than saluting me or asking me my name first. Of course these aren't the smoking guns but the exhibited behaviours are strongly indicative.
I should also clarify that I am not saying either that I have gone 180 and developed ill feelings towards whites and accusing that they're all racists. I will never do that as I believe that it is reverse racism and I would be just as bad as those who are pure and too-far-gone racists, and it would also be a betrayal to my white friends who supported me and accepted me for who I am. Nonetheless in recent years I became more or less cynical to anyone really regardless of background. I keep my social circle small to have less drama and bullshit.
Of course but I also think his representation was perhaps a tad bit personal? Or poorly designed. People rarely involve themselves in workplace discrimination because they are afraid of losing their jobs as well, especially if the person is their senior.
I work in a therapy clinic, though young therapist I am but my colleagues seem to agree when I inquiry their viewpoint, that a lot of times they are every bit as scared of the situation as the person they witness being discriminated is. For them, they act as though they do not see it, even when they do and it pains them, but they want to avoid the label of " one of those difficult workers ".
It would honestly do wonders for the world to be more cooperative and be less afraid of interventions but it has been made so difficult and risky that workers often watch by in silence for being afraid of workplace bullies if I might so bluntly describe it, unfortunately at the expense and well being of their co-workers. I think the author does not consider this in his speech, which could be more effective if he did.
But the gist, the main goal of it is otherwise well meaning and good topic to discuss, and it is a shame people react to it personally. I think workplace environment should be better than it often is these days, and it is really shame for the workers and bad for the companies as well that bad workplace policy is in place. In this part I am actually in a very privileged field of work because in my field the work environment is much more open to cooperation than most workplaces are. Not that it is common anyway, tends to go in the field to help out people in need, but in any case.
I am half Jewish and facing discrimination at work because of how I look. I appreciate your words.
My Hr is A joke. They protect management at all cost, smh
Thank you.
Great insight!
Guess I missed the part the tells you how to "conquer" the hate...
I needed this video , I really needed this video.
This is so true. And I would like to add Is worse for ethic straight men now. I been in a few big corporations it is mostly White males at the top then White women in upper management then a variety of women and LBGT+ in middle management. I don’t even even see ethic straight males in lower supervisory or team leader roles. You have to go to the mailroom to see them.
Hate it!
What worse is knowing your superior have less credentials than you meaning no related degree(s), certifications, designations, and etc. Is like someone let them in because they know the inner clicks of the company then they just move up because of their network and tenureship.
As i am growing up the race thing is gettung weirder and weirder. It took my a long time wrapping my head around people being anti bi racial. When racism is a topic in history class i realize how recent it all was. I do think the cultural apropiation group can STFU and i also think they are making people take talks like this guy less respected, lets be honest he didnt say something weird, he didnt mix being disliked or rude people with racists.
100% truth!!!
Not only you but Canadians too! I was 'sterilized' after ovarian surgery. 22 years later 8 feet cut off colon. More surgeries...No cure! Brother dead after surgery on back, father dead from hearbreak. Within 40 days brother, dad and my dog 'bled' out and died. younger brother dead in bed, mother dies heartache. Teaching credential had earned stripped as surgeries required needed attention (bowel liquid coming out of my belly button). The 'noble' kill, is one sword in the gut. Help as 3 out of 7 members of family from Canada alive. We are all naturalized Americans too.
check out north Carolina sterilization program alive and kicking
Black woman experience it too. The darker the worst the treatment. They are given the stereotype “angry black woman.”
Can you help a African American nurse who was wrongfully terminated who was racially discriminated. Would love to talk to you
Everything is workplace discrimination, what about being a customer in a store who gets discriminated against and told to leave for no reason? Where are the lawyers for that?
I’m being racially targeted as white women. And I’m trying to figure out how to handle this
I am truly surprised that most so-called black folk don't go postal
I can see myself like a black women how to be discriminated because of skin color!!!
Sometimes being pretty and sexy are being discriminated as well! I’m called a porn star or prostitute! Therefore, I will just tell to everyone I have HIV disease so that I can validate the feelings of those insecure work colleagues!!! I hope they will feel better 😂😂😂
I’m tired of being a minority it’s overwhelming not that I have a choice I’m proud to be black but damn
Watched this because I'm trans and it's what I needed for today. Thank you! We are all in this together.
Well I work from home so I need some help lol
I hear your experience even in 2022
NO
Get mad, take it home, deal with it because it's going to get worse.
That fake authority that guard has was being flexed as far as it could. Had he been the police he could escalate that behavior.
Stand up, speak out, stay mad
I needed to hear this
This is so true.
I didn't get much from this video and it furthered a negative stereotype about black people, that we immediately get angry due to racism. We don't. We first get confused as to why people don't see what we see, especially when we're younger. Then we want to remove that confusion by exceeding work expectations and as a consequence, often outperforming our white counterpart. Then when that counterpart who you trained becomes your superior then we get disappointed and frustrated. The guards ina building have far less impact than the people in the office. He should of talked about that. How a guard who he has little interaction with was able to influence his team. That's the bigger issue...a white person's ability to influence authority without really having it himself. That is systemic racism....By the way, the title of this video is a joke...what did he conquer in the example he gave? Nothing! Just that he will deal with the guy different and comply with his demands while having his team stereotype him as difficult. That will follow him in a racist work environment.
I concur
Why is it that black men never mention the racism that black women go through as well? We’re both black people.
I came to listen to spoiled white kids cry, I'm not disappointed. 🍿
An animal fears the biger one. They are racist because of their fear of better/stronger then them. Being not racist means getting more civilised ! Being racist is being animals!
Blacks discriminate against others big time, he should of addressed that as well. Everyone discriminates - from the people you like to hang out with, to who you marry, where you want to live, and to top it off, no one is required to like other people. No reason to kiss someone's ass because he imagining he's not being treated well. To all people - have a tougher skin and know that life is not always fair.
@@josieferraris2553 Life has not been easy on you. Wish you better times, you deserve it.
I was always wondering, living in a 99% white country, why do we have the same inequality here while there is noone to be racist against. I also have been often followed by security guards in malls etc. while being a highly educated, pretty wealthy individual with a bold head and a kind of aggressive look. I didn't cry about it of course and it hadn't had any influence upon my life. I am doing great and am very, very happy with what i have. I wish black people and minorities all the best but I think you should accept the fact that you will never be accepted by everyone and just do what you have to do to be happy, same as people from the "majorities" will never be accepted by everyone. Get tough and move on without blaming others for your own failures.
Brian Ludwicki this is a 62% white country. And rapidly decreasing.
This meaning what country? And does a smaller number of white people imply bigger racism? I am not from the USA.
It hurts much more if its bc of your skin
I don't think so. Does it hurt less if you are too tall? Or too obese? Or too bold? Or your eyes are too big? Or your ears are too big? I think what you say results from pure ignorance and self-centered view of the world.
Man why do you take it so personal. Relax man
Why the like dislike ratio is so fucked up
The story about four minutes in is interesting. To me it seemed to be a story about someone not wishing to conform to a company security standard, wear you badge, that the guard was responsible for enforcing. In my experience there is always is "that guy" that chooses to rebel in this puerile way. What was the guard suppose to do? Who was being disrespectful to whom?
They see it, but they just don't care.
How to fix most problems in any business: if you have an HR, dismantle it.
HR was crated to give women something to do...
Ummm.. when did he say how to conquer it?
If you're reading this, you're probably not racist. Good! But that doesn't mean _no one_ is racist. If someone tells you that they have experienced racism at least once in their life, you have no reason not to believe they're telling the truth. If they are, you shouldn't tell them they're wrong. If they aren't, you have nothing to gain from telling them they're wrong. It should be obvious: if someone is upset, you shouldn't tell them they're wrong to feel that way. That's not SJW bull, it's just common courtesy.
Not only you but Canadians too! I was 'sterilized' after ovarian surgery. 22 years later 8 feet cut off colon. More surgeries...No cure! Brother dead after surgery on back, father dead from hearbreak. Within 40 days brother, dad and my dog 'bled' out and died. younger brother dead in bed, mother dies heartache. Teaching credential had earned stripped as surgeries required needed attention (bowel liquid coming out of my belly button). The 'noble' kill, is one sword in the gut. Help as 3 out of 7 members of family from Canada alive. We are all naturalized Americans too.
Sadly this is true.Thanks
The question is did the guard only treat you like that or did he treat everyone like that?
If everything is good it isn't because we want to stay victims.
He didn't say anything about conquering workplace discrimination.😫😫😫misleading click-baits every time😠
When I transelated this into regarding my characteristics, it made complete sense.
This stuff is authentically felt.
The problem is, when it is only listened to, if the characteristics of the individual satisfy certain requirements based on the preconceived notion of who faces discrimination.
"Because of the way you're dressed..."
Yeah, well, you can tell a lot about people from the way they dress, and it's something you have total control over, so...
John Petrov bullshit
John Petrov yes, because wearing a hoodie makes you prone to be a criminal.
Clearly thieves should wear fancy suits to avoid profiling. I'm sure they can find something at a second hand store. DIY tailoring should be easy enough to research.
They do. They are called managers ^^
A perfect illustration of the point in the video: "They just won't see it".
He's wearing a bow tie which is honestly the most conservative form of workplace dresscode 'flair' you can have. He's well aware of workplace dress code - yet for some reason *you do not think he is intelligent enough to know that*
If you are looking for it, you will see it everywhere.
But most importantly don’t speak for others like you know for certain there hidden motifs.
Just because you are a gay black man, doesn’t mean people are out to undermine your character.
men are out to undermine other men’s character.
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"I can tell you from experience..."
AKA, allow me to project. If you spend your days looking for problems in everything you do, you're always going to find them.
user name Best thing I've read all day.
No that's just you projecting
Chuck-U Farly let me tell you from experience for 6 months I had men of color point guns at me, threaten my life and even been shot at because I am white and inferior. Racism goes in both directions. Two of my best buds are black and we’ve discussed our experiences at extent. Racism needs to be addressed on an individual level, not a systemic one
It doesn't sound like he's looking, to be quite honest.
@Chuck-U Farly, I agree with you. Though I wonder of the authors analysis on the situation. I work in a job where I interview a lot of people daily, let´s just put it that way, and often times when it comes to problems in the workplace, the person does witness discrimination and is afraid every bit to intervene to the situation in fear of becoming the next target of bullying as the person they are witnessing becoming bullied.
Like you described in your personal story. It is selfishness but I would not call it a racial component as much as I´d say it is a result of a cultural one. People have learnt what happens to those who try to defend someone in the workplace and this fear guides their motivations more than their perhaps conflicting values and observing otherwise detestable behavior. I am not commenting on whether destructive workplace environment ought to be as it is, as it often harms the workers and the company as well, but I do think the author made a poor judgement there.
All that being said though there are racial components in the workplace and his second story was much more fitting example because it was more casual and stood out as extra-ordinary behavior from the bouncer. I would´ve wished the author have more examples of that to better describe his goal, as it is true that it does happen and it is also true that it should be discussed and worked on actively.
I like looking at people in the streets, everyday has something different. But whenever I look at a black man, I feel like they think I'm racist for even looking at them. I assume it's not so but a certain kind of person has baked it into me and I hate them for it, ironically.
same thing happens to disabled people
So your saying since I am white and I walk into a nice hotel in Ghana clearly out of place I won't notice the security guards stopping every black person walking inside? Probably because I will be the one being stopped. How do I know? I speak from experience...
The slight difference is, you are out of place in Ghana. He is at home in the US.
SomeoneExchangeable but still out of place by not following standard procedure for visibility of security badges. Black people only live in the United States? I swear I read something about Spanish and Portuguese boats, crossing an ocean, full of people pretty sure they were black oh yes the Atlantic Slave trade. That seems horribly inefficient and stupid to put them on boats sail around the ocean and bring them back to where they were already. Just because you are black doesn't mean you are from the United States. And just because you are in your home country does not mean you are incapable of being out of place. Cannot count the number of times police have pulled me over in a black neighborhood after dropping a friend off at home late night early morning. Because I was out of place. I didn't make a TH-cam video, get an attitude with the white cop. At most I rolled my eyes while pulling over, answered their questions I even let them search my vehicle a few times just to waste their time and giggle about it. By the time I got home I had moved on to something else rather than dwell on someone doing their job. Even if the security guard was racist, other than an inconvenience dwelling on it causes more harm to yourself than what the security guard caused. The fact you showed him that it got to you gave him exactly what he wanted if he will racist. So you just enabled him by doing exactly as he wanted.
Wow, the world's not perfect yet, I never knew. Thanks Big Think.
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News flash, we are all just animals and it never will be. Make the best of it and move on, life is too short to be a snowflake.
When you believe something strongly enough, you will perceive the world in a way that reinforces and confirms your beliefs. This applies to both religious and social beliefs.
All forms of hate exist and there will always be a small group of haters of all types. You, I or anyone around us is not immune to this fact. Simply put, you are not that special. Overweight people get fat shamed frequently and are often considered lazy and gluttonous, handicap people are often assumed to be imbeciles, people with scars and disfigurements are treated with disgust as if diseased with the plague and the list goes on. Everyone faces it, not everyone obsesses over it.
Your attitude and mindset is often your worse enemy and it can change the way you act and interact, in turn drawing attention to yourself that normally would not be there.
The reality is that most businesses want people who show up on time, are reliable, do the work without question, do the work efficiently and do not cause disturbance in the work place. Likewise, the average person just wants to get through their day as effortlessly as possible with the least bit of conflict. Long as you are not an ass and don’t cause drama, the greater majority couldn’t care less about your race, sexual preference or what gender you happen to identify as.
This video must have been triggering for you.
Based on these comments, so many triggered people.
In another country, I experienced the same thing, because I did not appear to be a native of that country. When I lived and worked in a black community in America, I was occasionally treated the same way. The poor is valid, until it becomes a rallying cry about the mistreatment of a category of people.
Personally, Try as I must, I look askance st people with purple hair and multiple piercings. Forgive me, I will try to do better.
When campaigning for vice president in 1952, Nixon was accused of having illegally appropriated $18,000 in campaign funds for his personal use. In a televised response, based on an earlier Franklin D. Roosevelt's Fala speech, he spoke about another gift, a dog he had been given by a supporter:
It was a little cocker spaniel dog, in a crate he had sent all the way from Texas, black and white, spotted, and our little girl Tricia, six years old, named it Checkers. And, you know, the kids, like all kids, loved the dog, and I just want to say this right now, that, regardless of what they say about it, we are going to keep it.
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So you don't believe that these people are actually having these experiences? Do you not think it's as severe as they recognize it to be? I don't understand why you'd call it that.
Really? When Blacks say "kill wypeepo", nobody bats an eye.. try "I don't like blacks".
I have no idea what you're trying to say, sorry. =(
KeshmarOrange what he's trying to say, is there a double standard when it comes to race, the narrative that is pushed and quite often heard by the media, and also by certain political groups and are aligned on the left is that white people are more racist than blacks and black people cannot be racist because of the past.
KeshmarOrange but imagine a white man saying, I don't like blacks on national TV, people lose his job, his career will be over, he will be publicly shamed and demonized, and he'll be locked up for years. But let someone who's black say, I hate white people, and I think white people are evil. There's a double standard, when it comes to that, you hear, politicians will come out and support that statement, and then try to back it up, certain media outlets who try to back it up with certain things to say and certain talking points. This is something that goes on in our country right now, and what most people call is reverse racism.
This old man's personal anecdotal story about one interaction with one man is not evidence of systematic discrimination. He clearly harbors bitter hatred from his youth and therefore appears to see racism everywhere.
Does he need evidence of anything? He's talking to other people that recognize this problem and trying to convince them to not let it get to them. To be stronger than it. Why even go to "I'm not convinced"? What would happen if it's not true?
Serious question here. Because either way, I see the result as black people(or whomever can use this message) getting less sensitive. Sounds like a boon to me regardless.
To share his experience dealing with race, he needs to prove systematic discrimination??
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wonder why all the white people dislike??
Because as the old saying goes speak the truth you shame the devil... The truth hurts most of the time....
I think his point is valid. Come at me.
"I can tell you from experience that other white people don't see it". Let's count the fallacies: anecdotal, open to confirmation bias, no attempt to test the claim scientifically.
"You can tell by the tone of voice, by the way they delay" - yeah, and do you have the omniscient background knowledge to know that that was specifically happening to *you* and *to no one else* ? If you don't, how can you make that claim?
Here's an analogy Bret Weinstein made: suppose I walk down the street and a woman sees me glaring at her awkwardly. She sees this glare. Now, she could think "that guy was glaring at me, it must be a creeper thing", but if she doesn't know that I did the exact same glare to the next guy that walked by, she will lack a sense of perspective and misdiagnose the event. That kind of thing is exactly what's happening in this video.
John Ny you don't really want people to come at you. You're a progressive. You'll just delete any insightful replies.
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"Big think"
Why were there no suggestions given to solve the problem? Why is it that this video, supposedly made by "big thinking" people, is purely based on anecdotes and assumptions coming from someone. Why is it that such a poorly made video gets even uploaded on this channel. This is not something I'd expect to find on a channel named "big think" but I'd expect to find this on "listen and believe".
If you look for something you'll likely find it. If a paranoid security guard is paranoid and, acts on said paranoia, your reaction will dictate his action. I'm actually a security guard and i have one guy that is way too jittery/jumpy so, one day i said something about it thinking something was up. Turns out he was just a odd old balding white dude but, if your primed to look for racist people and that guy was black, or hell hispanic, i might have been seen as racist. If your paranoid about being seen as a criminal you tend to inadvertently act defensively inciting suspicion. I though people saw me as creepy for a bit so i went out of my way to observe people so, i can gauge my level of creepy. Turns out staring at people is creepy 15 year old me was unaware of this.... i was so embarrassed when i found out.
You also referenced clothing in this video. Outside of blatant racism, what you wear affects others perception of you. A guy rocking a large hatchet man tattoo on their neck doesn't get the same looks a person with a ms13 tattoo? i think they have similar experiences. This doesn't excuse the action of the guy following them assuming ill intent based on stuff that may be hard to physically remove but, at some level the person being followed is complicate. There are bad actors that have those marking or, rock attire attributed to say the bloods and so on, a reasonable person would defend their livelihood by giving some rowdy kid the stink eye...
All I'm saying here is that we need to calm down on the racism stuff these days. The kkk isn't persecuting people in 2018, maybe internet bullying.... that's not the violence of 40's, 50's, and 60's. There is no over the top "reverse" racism in the same light. People are generally resentful, spiteful, and elitist in 2018 so, dickheads are gonna be assholes, deal. You hurt only yourself by looking for racist things to be mad about.
Have a good day and, be safe out there, asshat's can be as violent as they are stupid.
Not only you but Canadians too! I was 'sterilized' after ovarian surgery. 22 years later 8 feet cut off colon. More surgeries...No cure! Brother dead after surgery on back, father dead from hearbreak. Within 40 days brother, dad and my dog 'bled' out and died. younger brother dead in bed, mother dies heartache. Teaching credential had earned stripped as surgeries required needed attention (bowel liquid coming out of my belly button). The 'noble' kill, is one sword in the gut. Help as 3 out of 7 members of family from Canada alive. We are all naturalized Americans too.
Wtf is he talking about?
"the guard wanted me to follow company policy. What a fucking racist."
user name it's just plain racism
Everyone has their problems, being a racial minority does not mean you’re the only one who has a tough time through life.
We are all equal, some more equal than others. I'm saddened to hear of your ill treatment. It is not fair. Then again. I don't have fancy clothes and I also get treated like that :| I figure I don't need a relationship with the security, just need to abide by the rules.
Grant Currin It’s not about security.?Its about being prejudged because he’s a black man. Black women are excepted by white America because we are not perceived as a threat as much as black men are in our society. Covert racism is loud and clear trust me. Of course the oppressor will never say he’s abusing the people under him. He’s totally oblivious to his wrong doing because he choice to think he/she is a good American😂 If your not a black person you will never understand our struggle with other races being prejudice against us. Have a good day oh l suggest you read a book titled “ The New Jim Crow.” Author Michelle Alexander, civil rights lawyer and activist.✌🏿
This not really a think piece. It is a sad story and a reminder of the status quo, it is not something new/interesting.
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You messed up his intro ribbon. It should read "mind-reader"
So close to getting a like, but I ended up disliking the video. Are black men treated differently? Yes. Here's why.
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Your conclusion is not that you should respect the law of the company your work for. It was that it should change its ways to accommodate how you think people should act when/if they see you. They even called you out on it, and you took away from that that they are blind?
Some companies require you to show your badge. It has nothing to do with racism…. It’s just good common sense for places where higher security is needed.