I think from an INFP perspective, a comparison I like to use is that our “core” world view, and it being an idealistic one, is like a tree with the trunk reaching into the sky. The branches of the tree are the things we encounter in life, and we try to nurture each branch as well as we can. However, more and more of these branches will start to die over time once they are exposed to wind and rain and the dry heat, and despite how much we try to look after each branch, they will slowly die one by one. However, each branch is still connected to the tree itself, and as they die, the tree itself is also losing life. I try to find joy in the small things, or small victories, but it’s like second nature for me to be worried about the overall state of things. Another comparison I will use is a painting where some of the little details are done really well, but the overall painting itself is not good to look at. When the overall painting doesn’t make me happy, what little satisfaction I get from having drawn some of the details well, isn’t enough to truly make me feel a sense of peace. One point I don’t know if I entirely agree with you and Joyce is the fact that INFPs genuinely don’t know what way the world is and the way people can be. I feel as though, if anything, sometimes it’s almost like everything’s too clear to me. Don’t forget that having high Ne means we are naturally curious and inquisitive and want to know things. Where we perhaps differ is our sense of escapism, our response. My response can be summarized in two components: (1) Being extra hard in my idealism, both on myself and on others and the world, followed by a sense of escapism and nihilism where I really don’t feel like I want to participate in much of the world and the system at all, knowing what it’s like and feeling like there’s so little room for overall improvement when people don’t even want to look at those deeper parts of themselves and really engage in their inner dialogues. (2) I feel as though despite all this, I try to hang on strong to my ideals, and do what little I can to immediately impact the people and the world around me. To be the change I want to see, despite my own imperfections and my limited ability. If I can make a deep impact on just a few, perhaps just one person’s life, I will feel as though I’ve made a difference in the way I could. Depression and anxiety are real struggles for me. I believe all of us can and should derive far more value and purpose in “being” rather than “doing”, and not feel as though we are constantly in a competition with everyone else. The world truly is a depressing place and I feel as though it really doesn’t have to be this way. Look at the things kids are taught. And look at what they find out once they are older. Too many of us grieve the innocence, the loss of our inner child. What I don’t see enough is people actually trying to fight and preserve their innocence and their inner child. They seem to just resign themselves to whatever harsh realities out there and lose touch with their genuine, inner selves and who they set out to be. Perhaps that, more than anything else, is what really depresses me and gets me defensive about wanting to participate in the world as it currently is. (Not gonna bother with writing in Chinese because I’m lazy and my brain is screwed for today lol) 还是打点中文吧。你提到的一个人的成长环境、会对他世界观还有对人心的思考及理解带来很大的影响。中国现在的大环境，只能用一言难尽来形容，我这么说都觉得的客气了。以我的角度来看，既没有保留一些传统美德 (以法表儒里为核心的政治思想、不在这里讨论、我想你也懂的）、也没有在一些思想方面跟上时代。我没有盲目的支持现代化、我在一些方面其实也挺守旧、有点保守的，毕竟我的第三个功能是Si、不是一下子就能适应很多新的东西。 当一个社会连基本的人性跟很多底线都没了、当人们已经习惯了麻木、那这个社会、这个国家必定是个没有希望、没有进步的存在。说直接点就是在自取灭亡。 一个人可以很好的去适应一个病态扭曲的社会环境，甚至可以在这种肤浅、虚假的人际关系中游刃有余 (然后以这种能力引以为豪）、我觉得并不能代表这个人已经成功了。可能是世俗意义上的“成功”、但他终究活在一个自我麻醉、自欺欺人，一个巨大的谎言之中。 很多人告诉我，别活得太真，世上本无虚实可言、但很可惜、做不了真正的我、真的太难受了。要我学别的，我也学不会。 感悟啊。 So if whatever success comes at the cost of the big picture being ugly, it’s hard for me to feel as though I can truly be happy with the way things are. I will always feel like part of me’s lost. I don’t know how you’d define me, I’m Chinese-Canadian who’s pretty much 50/50 having lived half my life in China and half in the West (and kinda wandering everywhere) lol. I’m on the less Westernized part of the spectrum, so really can have a hard time fitting in either culture. Onto the more cynical side of me. I have a friend who’s an INTP. When this friend gets cynical and goes on a rant about something, sometimes I can’t help but laugh during his rant because I’m like “I can relate to it so well” lol. And sometimes laughing it off is a way for me to put myself at ease, at least for a while. So basically yeah, I was in a local supermarket in China, and first there was this little kid who was riding his bike inside the mall and nearly made me fall over lol. I was like “现在的小兔崽子怎么这样啊，但想想他们爸妈本来也不咋地，能让他们学好才怪”。Literally like 30 seconds after, there was another kid who was riding his scooter inside the mall and, it was a close call again for me. By then, my INTP friend was like “what a bunch of little shits” lol. But the second time around I was the one laughing because despite me being kinda pissed, I almost found it funny how people can be this way. People will always be a source of compassion, confusion, and amusement for me. 人啊、有时候真的又可怜、又可气、又可笑。~ One thing I do feel INFJs can really learn from, is to just let yourselves be immersed in the abyss of your feelings. To recognize and fully feel all of your positive and your negative feelings. Don’t try to rationalize them and ask the “why” and “how”, just feel them first. It will give you more perspective afterwards, leading to a deeper understanding of yourself and others. By feeling my own feelings fully, I am better able to support others because I literally know what it’s like to have been through it myself. It feels so much more real to me, and I feel like I am not giving superficial “textbook advice.” 那些嘴巴上告诉我“接受现实吧”的人，却只是隐藏自己认为没用的情绪、试着去掩饰这个世界给自己带来的种种不适、甚至通过攻击我的理想主义来自我安慰。 我觉得、在某种意义上、他们才是真正的理想主义者，不愿意看破红尘、看破高楼大厦、繁荣景象背后的虚无缥缈。 I feel both 4s and 9s fit the “quiet rebel” definition well. As a 4, I actually tend to be fairly agreeable more often than not. But inside me is a different story
As an infp, I grew cynical long ago. And I'm rarely surprised by the ugly side of human nature. However disappointing, I cannot give up hope on the idealism. Ne sees the kaleidoscope of possible horrors. We don't always wear the rose colored glasses but we rarely present those horrors we see. Why would we burden others with that imagined darkness. I usually see the possibility of the negative outcome, it does break my heart a little everytime harsh reality actually rears its ugly head. While I can see your concern for infp's living too much in their idealism, learning realism is essential. But, I think, it's a huge mistake for the infp to abandon the idealism for an INFJ cynicism/realism. With Fi and Si, I think, we are equipped to dwell in those dark places; at least for a time. But we need to learn two lessons to cope with our idealism, our compassion and the baggage that it can attract. Learning healthy boundaries for ourselves are key. It's also important for us to understand that our values are our own. That they are subjective and that it's an act of hubris to impose them on others. Leave the policing to the ISTJs. Infps have two obvious purposes in society. xnfps are the defenders of the individual human experience. We also act as the moral barometers, and our idealism needs to stand front and center in order for us to perform that task. Infp doesn't get to walk an easy path. As perpetual outsiders, we spend our lives looking in from the peripheries. We must learn to live humbly, reminding those around us, by example, of the moral boundaries. And if we are lucky, we can inspire others to embrace those ideas we can't or shouldn't ever let go of. Suicidal depression aside, infps don't need cheering up when they're down. They need space to process and maybe - if it's appropriate - a hug. Why is it suprising that xSTPs are smart? They are the sensor equivalent of xNTPs. Making them xNTPs without their heads in the clouds. That is xNTPs that get stuff done. Intuition may observe the ideas rather than the concrete, but it's the rational functions that actually process them. It's ironic to hear two tertiary Ti types casting shade on the intelligence of two types with Ti higher in their functional stack.
I don't mean to encourage infps to abandon the idealism, but I think infps need to have a solid grasp of reality in order to come up with truly functioning solutions that work in the real world. Not saying u have to become cynical. When infps become cynical they can swing to the extreme as well, as u said Ne can also perceive horror. However Fi-Ne is highly subjective and does not help in grasping objective reality. This is why interacting with/developing other functions is important to create that balance. Hope that makes sense. STJ policing is bad, but they also have the practical perspectives and solutions that can prove helpful to NFPs. I know xSTPs are smart, but im pointing to the negative stereotype against sensors in some mbti communities, like they're somehow less analytical than intuitives, which i strongly disagree with now but may have assumed in the past. In some instances/situations, I'd say they're even smarter due to the strong Ti critical thinking.
@@ToriH All fair points which I have to agree with. Also to be clear, I didn't really object to most of what you said in the Video itself. Furthermore, I think that I was overly ambitious in the attempting to address some of the points I chose to respond to. Even if my writing skills are adequate enough to address the points I chose, the TH-cam comment sections' word processing and editing tools are minimalistic for addressing such subtle points. I don't think my writing style is that good for making the arguments I attempted to make. Worse, in an attempt to keep my post brief, I did not flush out my ideas enough. My Fi attempt at polemics were clumsy at best. In your discussion you two seemed to emphasize, 'when infp idealism is bad.' Which was a fair point. It is often problematic for infp. My intention was to present the caveat of when infp's idealism is good, even nessassary. But committing to that task forced me to contextualize the argument. And do the argument justice required a longer post. Also, it wasn't clear to me whether you where advocating for infps to embrace cynicism. You responce sets the record straight and it sounds like we generally agree that cynicism is, at best, problematic for infps. Perhaps it's as problematic as the stereotypical infp idealism. In your responce you mentioned finding a balance. This is wonderful advise for anyone. I think that it's particularly apt for infps and, in general, dominant judgers. I'm sure imbalance can challenge dominant perceivers as well, but an imbalance in reasoning might be more problematic than one in perception. Perhaps that part of your video discussion could be summarized by saying that, infp (and infj?) need to find the realism that is balanced between cynicism on one extreme and idealism on the other. My comment about ISTJs and policing is poorly timed at best considering current events. It's also the least flushed out idea in my original post. One that was shrouded in some tongue and cheek snarkiness that only further clouds my message. At that point, I was attempting to describe healthy use of idealism. To that end, I think infp is forced to walk a fine line. When bringing our moral vision to the world, we need to avoid stuffing that vision down people's throats. So what I hoped to convay was, pushing a strong Fi argument is likely to backfire for an infp. A better approach for infp is to subtly remind people to have the Fi discussion, rather than advocating our Fi beliefs directly. NFJs are far betters suited for that task. Even ENFP seems to be better suited at such activity. All three NFs are far less awkward with people and more likely to have the charisma required to successfully deliver a touchy messages. That is infp shouldn't get up on a soap box and preach their idealism. That we'd be more effective to somehow illustrate our values and then step back. Letting those who are inspired by them carry the torch to the soap box itself. The author of Game of Thrones, G. R. R. Martin, has been described as an infp. He brings up a lot of politically charged subject matter in his writing. But he is able to do it in a subtle way that doesn't alienate his audience. At the level of his popularity, much of his audience doesn't agree with his politics. But he has a way of hanging the proverbially 'elephant in the room' on the wall and then existing in a way promotes having a discussion. When fans ask him to clarify his veiws on one subject or another, he responds by saying "[he] just [wants] people to discuss these things." Avoiding even making the esoteric argument, preventing fans from using his veiws brow beat the descenting group into compliance. I find this is a beautiful example of healthy use of Fi and idealism. It would be foolish to suggest all infps have the literary talent to reach the kind of audience Martin does. But I think he make a good example to illustrate healthy infp use of idealism. Illustrate the values then step back and let others have that discussion. I hope this maked sense. I also agree with the two of you about the anti-sensor bias in the Myers Briggs community being counter productive. But have always perceived it as an insecurity amongst the sensors. Both of you seem very well versed in Myers Briggs type theory and psychology in general. And Joyce is a certified practitioner in MBTI. So, I was surprised to hear that you two had shared that bias in the past. But I shouldn't have breached the topic as I did. I'm a stranger addressing you for the first time and my tone was too familiar. I found the irony in how you presented the topic too much to resist mentioning. This was another tongue and cheek attempt at wit too. Which didn't help. I hope it didn't come across as an attack. On my second read it looks that way however. And I'm sorry for any misunderstanding here. Your point can't be overstated, in my opinion, anti-sensor bias in the online MBTI community is counter productive. While it might be cathartic for intuitives to retreat into the online community and commiserate about the sensor dominated world. We shouldn't isolate ourselves away from sensors: Let alone look down upon them. Sorry, for the book length post or for any confusion. I tried to avoid such a long post originally but it ended out being unclear.
Dear INFPs, don't repress your sense of wonder, or your capacity to perceive the enchantedness of the world. You can be a mature, grounded INFP while keeping your sense of wonder. Idealism does not equal naïveté. You can be a wise, grounded optimist. - Peace and hugs from a fellow INFP
The Ne creates the novel possibilities fueled by Fi and the Si creates helps to create these possibilities in great detail. I love being able to be brought into their special and personal world's through their art. This is one of the reasons a lot of my favourite artists are INFPs. P.S You should check out Love Who's video on INFP genius from yesterday.
@@ToriH I actually had no way of contacting him but you just helped me remember that I can just ask our Mandarin teacher for his email. 😂 Thank you Tori! ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ
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I think from an INFP perspective, a comparison I like to use is that our “core” world view, and it being an idealistic one, is like a tree with the trunk reaching into the sky.
The branches of the tree are the things we encounter in life, and we try to nurture each branch as well as we can. However, more and more of these branches will start to die over time once they are exposed to wind and rain and the dry heat, and despite how much we try to look after each branch, they will slowly die one by one.
However, each branch is still connected to the tree itself, and as they die, the tree itself is also losing life.
I try to find joy in the small things, or small victories, but it’s like second nature for me to be worried about the overall state of things.
Another comparison I will use is a painting where some of the little details are done really well, but the overall painting itself is not good to look at. When the overall painting doesn’t make me happy, what little satisfaction I get from having drawn some of the details well, isn’t enough to truly make me feel a sense of peace.
One point I don’t know if I entirely agree with you and Joyce is the fact that INFPs genuinely don’t know what way the world is and the way people can be. I feel as though, if anything, sometimes it’s almost like everything’s too clear to me. Don’t forget that having high Ne means we are naturally curious and inquisitive and want to know things. Where we perhaps differ is our sense of escapism, our response.
My response can be summarized in two components:
(1) Being extra hard in my idealism, both on myself and on others and the world, followed by a sense of escapism and nihilism where I really don’t feel like I want to participate in much of the world and the system at all, knowing what it’s like and feeling like there’s so little room for overall improvement when people don’t even want to look at those deeper parts of themselves and really engage in their inner dialogues.
(2) I feel as though despite all this, I try to hang on strong to my ideals, and do what little I can to immediately impact the people and the world around me. To be the change I want to see, despite my own imperfections and my limited ability. If I can make a deep impact on just a few, perhaps just one person’s life, I will feel as though I’ve made a difference in the way I could.
Depression and anxiety are real struggles for me. I believe all of us can and should derive far more value and purpose in “being” rather than “doing”, and not feel as though we are constantly in a competition with everyone else.
The world truly is a depressing place and I feel as though it really doesn’t have to be this way. Look at the things kids are taught. And look at what they find out once they are older.
Too many of us grieve the innocence, the loss of our inner child. What I don’t see enough is people actually trying to fight and preserve their innocence and their inner child. They seem to just resign themselves to whatever harsh realities out there and lose touch with their genuine, inner selves and who they set out to be.
Perhaps that, more than anything else, is what really depresses me and gets me defensive about wanting to participate in the world as it currently is.
(Not gonna bother with writing in Chinese because I’m lazy and my brain is screwed for today lol)
还是打点中文吧。你提到的一个人的成长环境、会对他世界观还有对人心的思考及理解带来很大的影响。中国现在的大环境，只能用一言难尽来形容，我这么说都觉得的客气了。以我的角度来看，既没有保留一些传统美德 (以法表儒里为核心的政治思想、不在这里讨论、我想你也懂的）、也没有在一些思想方面跟上时代。我没有盲目的支持现代化、我在一些方面其实也挺守旧、有点保守的，毕竟我的第三个功能是Si、不是一下子就能适应很多新的东西。
当一个社会连基本的人性跟很多底线都没了、当人们已经习惯了麻木、那这个社会、这个国家必定是个没有希望、没有进步的存在。说直接点就是在自取灭亡。
一个人可以很好的去适应一个病态扭曲的社会环境，甚至可以在这种肤浅、虚假的人际关系中游刃有余 (然后以这种能力引以为豪）、我觉得并不能代表这个人已经成功了。可能是世俗意义上的“成功”、但他终究活在一个自我麻醉、自欺欺人，一个巨大的谎言之中。
很多人告诉我，别活得太真，世上本无虚实可言、但很可惜、做不了真正的我、真的太难受了。要我学别的，我也学不会。
感悟啊。
So if whatever success comes at the cost of the big picture being ugly, it’s hard for me to feel as though I can truly be happy with the way things are. I will always feel like part of me’s lost.
I don’t know how you’d define me, I’m Chinese-Canadian who’s pretty much 50/50 having lived half my life in China and half in the West (and kinda wandering everywhere) lol. I’m on the less Westernized part of the spectrum, so really can have a hard time fitting in either culture.
Onto the more cynical side of me. I have a friend who’s an INTP. When this friend gets cynical and goes on a rant about something, sometimes I can’t help but laugh during his rant because I’m like “I can relate to it so well” lol. And sometimes laughing it off is a way for me to put myself at ease, at least for a while.
So basically yeah, I was in a local supermarket in China, and first there was this little kid who was riding his bike inside the mall and nearly made me fall over lol. I was like “现在的小兔崽子怎么这样啊，但想想他们爸妈本来也不咋地，能让他们学好才怪”。Literally like 30 seconds after, there was another kid who was riding his scooter inside the mall and, it was a close call again for me.
By then, my INTP friend was like “what a bunch of little shits” lol. But the second time around I was the one laughing because despite me being kinda pissed, I almost found it funny how people can be this way.
People will always be a source of compassion, confusion, and amusement for me.
人啊、有时候真的又可怜、又可气、又可笑。~
One thing I do feel INFJs can really learn from, is to just let yourselves be immersed in the abyss of your feelings. To recognize and fully feel all of your positive and your negative feelings. Don’t try to rationalize them and ask the “why” and “how”, just feel them first. It will give you more perspective afterwards, leading to a deeper understanding of yourself and others. By feeling my own feelings fully, I am better able to support others because I literally know what it’s like to have been through it myself. It feels so much more real to me, and I feel like I am not giving superficial “textbook advice.”
那些嘴巴上告诉我“接受现实吧”的人，却只是隐藏自己认为没用的情绪、试着去掩饰这个世界给自己带来的种种不适、甚至通过攻击我的理想主义来自我安慰。
我觉得、在某种意义上、他们才是真正的理想主义者，不愿意看破红尘、看破高楼大厦、繁荣景象背后的虚无缥缈。
I feel both 4s and 9s fit the “quiet rebel” definition well. As a 4, I actually tend to be fairly agreeable more often than not. But inside me is a different story
Thank you Tori for having me on! It was fun chatting :)
Yes love our convos both on and off camera lol 🤪
I'm so sorry I missed the premiere a few hours ago. I just too tired to stay up so late.
@@nkopanelesedilebona9227 no prob!
As an infp, I grew cynical long ago. And I'm rarely surprised by the ugly side of human nature. However disappointing, I cannot give up hope on the idealism.
Ne sees the kaleidoscope of possible horrors. We don't always wear the rose colored glasses but we rarely present those horrors we see. Why would we burden others with that imagined darkness.
I usually see the possibility of the negative outcome, it does break my heart a little everytime harsh reality actually rears its ugly head.
While I can see your concern for infp's living too much in their idealism, learning realism is essential. But, I think, it's a huge mistake for the infp to abandon the idealism for an INFJ cynicism/realism.
With Fi and Si, I think, we are equipped to dwell in those dark places; at least for a time. But we need to learn two lessons to cope with our idealism, our compassion and the baggage that it can attract. Learning healthy boundaries for ourselves are key. It's also important for us to understand that our values are our own. That they are subjective and that it's an act of hubris to impose them on others. Leave the policing to the ISTJs.
Infps have two obvious purposes in society. xnfps are the defenders of the individual human experience. We also act as the moral barometers, and our idealism needs to stand front and center in order for us to perform that task.
Infp doesn't get to walk an easy path. As perpetual outsiders, we spend our lives looking in from the peripheries. We must learn to live humbly, reminding those around us, by example, of the moral boundaries. And if we are lucky, we can inspire others to embrace those ideas we can't or shouldn't ever let go of.
Suicidal depression aside, infps don't need cheering up when they're down. They need space to process and maybe - if it's appropriate - a hug.
Why is it suprising that xSTPs are smart? They are the sensor equivalent of xNTPs. Making them xNTPs without their heads in the clouds. That is xNTPs that get stuff done.
Intuition may observe the ideas rather than the concrete, but it's the rational functions that actually process them. It's ironic to hear two tertiary Ti types casting shade on the intelligence of two types with Ti higher in their functional stack.
I don't mean to encourage infps to abandon the idealism, but I think infps need to have a solid grasp of reality in order to come up with truly functioning solutions that work in the real world. Not saying u have to become cynical. When infps become cynical they can swing to the extreme as well, as u said Ne can also perceive horror. However Fi-Ne is highly subjective and does not help in grasping objective reality. This is why interacting with/developing other functions is important to create that balance. Hope that makes sense.
STJ policing is bad, but they also have the practical perspectives and solutions that can prove helpful to NFPs.
I know xSTPs are smart, but im pointing to the negative stereotype against sensors in some mbti communities, like they're somehow less analytical than intuitives, which i strongly disagree with now but may have assumed in the past.
In some instances/situations, I'd say they're even smarter due to the strong Ti critical thinking.
@@ToriH All fair points which I have to agree with. Also to be clear, I didn't really object to most of what you said in the Video itself. Furthermore, I think that I was overly ambitious in the attempting to address some of the points I chose to respond to. Even if my writing skills are adequate enough to address the points I chose, the TH-cam comment sections' word processing and editing tools are minimalistic for addressing such subtle points. I don't think my writing style is that good for making the arguments I attempted to make. Worse, in an attempt to keep my post brief, I did not flush out my ideas enough.
My Fi attempt at polemics were clumsy at best. In your discussion you two seemed to emphasize, 'when infp idealism is bad.' Which was a fair point. It is often problematic for infp. My intention was to present the caveat of when infp's idealism is good, even nessassary. But committing to that task forced me to contextualize the argument. And do the argument justice required a longer post.
Also, it wasn't clear to me whether you where advocating for infps to embrace cynicism. You responce sets the record straight and it sounds like we generally agree that cynicism is, at best, problematic for infps. Perhaps it's as problematic as the stereotypical infp idealism.
In your responce you mentioned finding a balance. This is wonderful advise for anyone. I think that it's particularly apt for infps and, in general, dominant judgers. I'm sure imbalance can challenge dominant perceivers as well, but an imbalance in reasoning might be more problematic than one in perception.
Perhaps that part of your video discussion could be summarized by saying that, infp (and infj?) need to find the realism that is balanced between cynicism on one extreme and idealism on the other.
My comment about ISTJs and policing is poorly timed at best considering current events. It's also the least flushed out idea in my original post. One that was shrouded in some tongue and cheek snarkiness that only further clouds my message.
At that point, I was attempting to describe healthy use of idealism. To that end, I think infp is forced to walk a fine line. When bringing our moral vision to the world, we need to avoid stuffing that vision down people's throats.
So what I hoped to convay was, pushing a strong Fi argument is likely to backfire for an infp. A better approach for infp is to subtly remind people to have the Fi discussion, rather than advocating our Fi beliefs directly. NFJs are far betters suited for that task. Even ENFP seems to be better suited at such activity. All three NFs are far less awkward with people and more likely to have the charisma required to successfully deliver a touchy messages.
That is infp shouldn't get up on a soap box and preach their idealism. That we'd be more effective to somehow illustrate our values and then step back. Letting those who are inspired by them carry the torch to the soap box itself.
The author of Game of Thrones, G. R. R. Martin, has been described as an infp. He brings up a lot of politically charged subject matter in his writing. But he is able to do it in a subtle way that doesn't alienate his audience. At the level of his popularity, much of his audience doesn't agree with his politics. But he has a way of hanging the proverbially 'elephant in the room' on the wall and then existing in a way promotes having a discussion.
When fans ask him to clarify his veiws on one subject or another, he responds by saying "[he] just [wants] people to discuss these things." Avoiding even making the esoteric argument, preventing fans from using his veiws brow beat the descenting group into compliance. I find this is a beautiful example of healthy use of Fi and idealism.
It would be foolish to suggest all infps have the literary talent to reach the kind of audience Martin does. But I think he make a good example to illustrate healthy infp use of idealism. Illustrate the values then step back and let others have that discussion. I hope this maked sense.
I also agree with the two of you about the anti-sensor bias in the Myers Briggs community being counter productive. But have always perceived it as an insecurity amongst the sensors. Both of you seem very well versed in Myers Briggs type theory and psychology in general. And Joyce is a certified practitioner in MBTI. So, I was surprised to hear that you two had shared that bias in the past.
But I shouldn't have breached the topic as I did. I'm a stranger addressing you for the first time and my tone was too familiar. I found the irony in how you presented the topic too much to resist mentioning. This was another tongue and cheek attempt at wit too. Which didn't help. I hope it didn't come across as an attack. On my second read it looks that way however. And I'm sorry for any misunderstanding here.
Your point can't be overstated, in my opinion, anti-sensor bias in the online MBTI community is counter productive. While it might be cathartic for intuitives to retreat into the online community and commiserate about the sensor dominated world. We shouldn't isolate ourselves away from sensors: Let alone look down upon them.
Sorry, for the book length post or for any confusion. I tried to avoid such a long post originally but it ended out being unclear.
Dear INFPs, don't repress your sense of wonder, or your capacity to perceive the enchantedness of the world. You can be a mature, grounded INFP while keeping your sense of wonder. Idealism does not equal naïveté. You can be a wise, grounded optimist. - Peace and hugs from a fellow INFP
Yes it is all about balance.
I worry about my INFP. He also needs advice like this.
So much insight.
Thank youu
The twin sisters again :D
HAHA yes we're back at it again~
When INFPs ideals are broken:
cue Naruto Shippuden OST - Man of the World.
The Ne creates the novel possibilities fueled by Fi and the Si creates helps to create these possibilities in great detail.
I love being able to be brought into their special and personal world's through their art. This is one of the reasons a lot of my favourite artists are INFPs.
P.S You should check out Love Who's video on INFP genius from yesterday.
OMG okay! Yes INFPs can make amazing art.
That ant story was so dark. 😂
I know i literally went to google and found out yes cannibalism is a thing among ants :)
I see how hurt my INFP is about injustice and stuff going on around him, it's almost scary, I worry about him, I wish I could contact him right now.
U should give him a zoom call. :)
@@ToriH I actually had no way of contacting him but you just helped me remember that I can just ask our Mandarin teacher for his email. 😂
Thank you Tori! ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ
@@nkopanelesedilebona9227 You're welcome. :)
My INFP is like a combination of Legoshi from Beastars and Al from Fullmetal Alchemist. Who are your favourite fictional INFPs?
Holden Caulfield (lool but for real as he introduced me to modern literature)
INFJs have real life video game lag.
Lool tragic at competitive sports
@@ToriH That's why I play fighting games instead of studying actual martial arts.
_Reality cannot match the cosmically intense beauty of my ideas._ lol
A very NFP Enneagram Four thing to say.
I used to keep getting a lot of random cuts everywhere at some point. 😂
Haha im less clumsy now but that's probably becos i cant go out much anyway.
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