I actually bought some almost identical fencing. I installed a few of the posts and ran the fence between them, as tight as I could, as a test, and it was immediately obvious it wasn't going to hold any goat! 😅 So I'm building a wooden rail fence, with 4x4 posts sunk at least 2' into the ground, and I will attach the wire mesh to the inside of that. Hopefully it makes a more solid fence!
It may have already been said. Hotwire is needed in such a case no matter how good the fence is due to their rubbing and pushing the fence out. It is very hard to get a goat to respect a fence. It’s worth preserving your fence but also makes it possible to graze them in the yard on weekends once they are trained. Use a powerful charger, or you will fail typically.
Yes goat fencing has gone up to about 400.00 a 300 ft roll. Very expensive. Same problem with my boer male ramming the fence. I used heavy pallets to line the inside of his pen and it worked very well. It is a lot of work but that comes hand in hand with having a farm. God bless.
Cattle panels work really good for goats and they're not too expensive. I just use T-posts every four feet and fasten them on with zip ties. You wouldn't even have pull up the posts you already have in. Plus, you can expand it over time.
I’ve also had good success with cattle panels and am getting ready to fence my garden area with them to keep my darlings out. They devoured my garden last year. I only fence mine in at night and let them roam free during the day because the property perimeter is chain link fenced. The cattle panel and chain link fence are both 4’ tall and no one has gone over, under or through it.
I have the same type of fencing for my goats and they've gotten out a lot. We've been patching it until we get the rest of our property fenced. So hopefully with a much bigger space they won't try to get out.
Thank you for this video! I’m building my goat pen. I’m using cattle panels then plan to line it with the welded wire. I’m thinking I’ll also add a “blind” so, something solid so they can’t see each other. That’s about all I can do for now. 🤑🤑🤑 😊
Hopefully that worked for you! That's how my goat fence is built - cattle panels with utility fencing over the cattle panels in the pens the kids are in. The adults can't get through the holes in the cattle panels but the kids sure can. However, the cattle panels & T-posts have been working beautifully for us!
Your right. Either way, they still push the fence, it's what goats do. We have the same issue with the fencing, and yes, procrastination has much to do with it, so we'll redo as we go along. How do they do for winter. Ours have a Barn, built the following spring.
Wow you sure care for those goats. I am so surprised those goats get through such a small hole. I have wild goat problems. They get in past barbed wire and spiney acacia branches round the base of the fencing eat my plants and compost pile. I am thinking goat curry is a good idea .
Get some 4x8 or 4x16 cattle panels. Set your tposts every 7.5'. Put them on the inside of your fence. That way when the animal pushes on it the fence transfers the pressure. Then go on the inside and run another wire 2x4 . That way you get the sturdiness of cattle panel and the small of the 2x4. Double the work. But well worth it
I don't know where you are now with this, or if anyone else mentioned cattle panels in the way I am going to, but I just used cattle panels and the metal posts to keep my barbados and goats in. I also made use of how easily the panels lend themselves to temporary fencing. I moved them around, wiring them to the posts each time with the same longer bits of wire, tucking the pointy ends. That way, I could rotate their pasture area frequently for forage, and never had to mow or weed eat anywhere, either. Few and smaller bare spots. It wasn't too hard to do. My helpers were my sons, who were as young as six and ten when we began, and I am a mom. The panels aren't so heavy as they are unwieldy. My goats had horns, but didn't get stuck. That could be a worry for some. I have seen goats with a part of a broom handle tied across their horns to prevent such where they were being kept, but I didn't have to do that to any of mine.
I had a boy do that to the fence to he could scoot under it, so I staked it, then he rolled the doghouse to the fence so he could get on the doghouse then jump the fence, tied down the doghouse so then he figured hed just climb the fence, after that i added a few layers of voltage, that finally did it
I actually think cattle panel is the way to go in that situation or experiment with electricicity to the fence and let them get acclimated to not skrew with metal objects that hold a charge i.e. fence. Also your goats are well behaved i had some that literally could clear 4-5 feet for sport. wonder if the goats are trying to mate or something.
The corners need to be wood post and the T post needs to face what you are trying to keep in and for your buck use heavy cattle panels with what you have already and you should be good I hope this will help you
Chikin Town I just bought one, I have not yet installed. However, it is called Parmak DF-SP-LI Solar Pak 6 Low Impedance 6-Volt Battery-Operated 25-Mile-Range Electric Fence Charger it currently has 329 reviews 4 out of 5 stars and there are 2 TH-cam videos about it. It is actually on sale on Amazon for $165.00. Read through Amozon reviews as some reviews give great info regarding correct installation. We have just purchased a farm in W.V. and are interested in raising goats but they definitely look like a handful. Thanks for your videos appreciate it, gives us an idea of what we will have to deal with. Good Luck!!
Chikin Town Here is the link www.amazon.com/Parmak-DF-SP-LI-Impedance-Battery-Operated-25-Mile-Range/dp/B000BWZB74/ref=sr_1_fkmr3_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1534298090&sr=1-1-fkmr3&keywords=parmak+precision+df-sp-li+6+volt+solarpak+fence
tractor supply a lot of times at least most of them have one certain hog panel and it'll be cheaper by far than any of the rest of the panels it's really only like twenty $25 panel it is a 50 inch panel by 16 ft long and I have a goat with full horns and she knows how to get out of it your guys's horns are a little bit closer to his head so they don't stick out as much as like mine so he still might get caught if they are under his but you can put that chicken wire stuff that you have there. That's what I call any of those fences is chicken wire it's only thing that those things will hold in.and I've used this hog panel from stallions to mustang stallions to female naughty horses almost like your little female goat.as well as hogs and goats now I've put everything in them I trust them pretty good and easy to put up by far than any other fence.when she put up a hog panel fence and see how easy it is you will never look back.the only thing I had to worry about was on my horses,,when they like to scratch their butt real hard on it it'll been the actual tipo so I had to put actual polls fence poles. But other than that I've never had a problem with hog panels.if you're wondering what panels they are when you get down there, here at my place they're called the green hog panels cuz the corner of it is painted green when you're out looking at the stacks
You also have pretty friendly baby goats for being raised by their mom cuz it doesn't look like you bottle fed them.so whatever you did to make them as sweet as they are coming up to you and nibbling on your clothes, just feel I had to tell you that that's a great job.keep up all the good work you look like you're doing pretty good
Thank You! My wife calls me the animal whisperer because all of my animals and other people's animals seem to be relaxed around me. I guess because I'm really laid back and they don't pick up on stress.
I put mine 6 feet also. The biggest issue is the wire I used is all deformed now from them rubbing along it, creating gaps along the bottom. It's been up for a year. I'm going to upgrade this winter.
the fence is welded wire, and (as mentioned in other comments) on the wrong side of the t-posts. welded wire is fine for decoration, but not going to keep any animals in - braided wire is what you want.
You are absolutely correct.I just built a fenced in area using welded wire (175 ft circumference) and yes it stretchs.warps and bends itself ups and looks unprofessional in places.But isn't woven wire a lot more expensive?
TheRockstarbeauty they stuck around but when I found them out side it was only a couple of them. The other two were still inside so I'm hoping it was a herd thing and not just good luck.
The young goats are very young . So they might not be bred . As far as male being possible parent, its not as dangerous for mutations as siblings . Deer are pretty much the same thing, you know there has to be, what I call linebreeding . Breeding siblings or cousins will cause smaller weaker and low immune system . If you want to sell the babies do so and if no one ask don't tell the situation . I raise Boer goats and so many folks do that you'd be shocked . The benefit is the if you have a really great buck the offspring gets all his good traits . But they get all his weaknesses too . So its not as bad as it could be ,if they did breed . Or look at it this way ,you bought a messed up male that had a prob, you don't know about to replace yours with. . You would be better off with babies from your old buck because those look really good !!
Phillip Risner that's good info, puts me at ease a bit. So far the girls are fat but no udders forming and if I did the math right from when they were exposed to the Billy Daddy, they would be due in Jan sometime. Hoping they're just fat because I probably over feed them.
It was nice of you to post your problem so others learn from it - thanks. ;) We know how it goes when you're trying to solve livestock infrastructure on a tight budget. Quick solution cattle panels or I've seen successful pallet fencing bolted together. We chose the best no-climb horse fencing with wooden posts for our goat pastures - but it's expensive. when you expand your pens you can make some very nice housing from simple pallets - check out Blue Cactus Dairy Goat channel (if you get bad weather you'll need a bit of wind/rain protection to it but it's strong construction & gives them a place to play) Good luck & hope you got them separated in time. o.-
Yes they were separated in time thankfully! I'm happy to share as I learn and more importantly have a good sense of humor as I make fun of myself when I screw stuff up. Thanks for watching!
going on 3 years using similar fencing for our goats, 1 hot wire around the perimeter and the goats have never touched the panel fence, still like new :)
Listen, no offense, but goats only go in to heat once per year. So what Daddy goat got in? I keep my male with my females and the babies, and he is gentle with the babies and doesnt get mom pregnant off season. Besides, he is more mellow and dont smell when they are together.
I wish someone told you goats don't eat grass! They eat browse as in trees, scrub, branches n stuff. Plus you got nothing for them to do in their tiny pens. They are very intelligent and need things to occupy them or they find stuff to do. Climbing is not a challenge to a goat so the fencing needs to reflect that disposition. Moving them to new pasture every few days will prevent them trying to escape, gives them plenty to occupy themselves and saves the humans a lot of heart ache.
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Fencing issues aside, you have a very peaceful farm. This video is so relaxing.
Thank you! Outside is my favorite room in the house. 😊
He said: " I think they're a bunch of hoes.." I wasn't ready🤣🤣
I actually bought some almost identical fencing. I installed a few of the posts and ran the fence between them, as tight as I could, as a test, and it was immediately obvious it wasn't going to hold any goat! 😅 So I'm building a wooden rail fence, with 4x4 posts sunk at least 2' into the ground, and I will attach the wire mesh to the inside of that. Hopefully it makes a more solid fence!
If you run a electric wire around the inside of the fence the goats will stay off the fence
Next time, put the fencing inside the posts, so the posts bear some of the force against the panels.
It may have already been said. Hotwire is needed in such a case no matter how good the fence is due to their rubbing and pushing the fence out. It is very hard to get a goat to respect a fence. It’s worth preserving your fence but also makes it possible to graze them in the yard on weekends once they are trained. Use a powerful charger, or you will fail typically.
Yes goat fencing has gone up to about 400.00 a 300 ft roll. Very expensive. Same problem with my boer male ramming the fence. I used heavy pallets to line the inside of his pen and it worked very well. It is a lot of work but that comes hand in hand with having a farm. God bless.
Yes those big goats can do a lot of damage for sure. Thanks for commenting!
Cattle panels work really good for goats and they're not too expensive. I just use T-posts every four feet and fasten them on with zip ties. You wouldn't even have pull up the posts you already have in. Plus, you can expand it over time.
J&A Golden Pyrenees thanks for the info. I was wondering how those panels would do. Time to upgrade soon. Thanks!
Chikin Town. You're welcome! :~)
Don't they go over cattle panels? My goats go over or under anything they get a chance to.
I’ve also had good success with cattle panels and am getting ready to fence my garden area with them to keep my darlings out. They devoured my garden last year. I only fence mine in at night and let them roam free during the day because the property perimeter is chain link fenced. The cattle panel and chain link fence are both 4’ tall and no one has gone over, under or through it.
I have the same type of fencing for my goats and they've gotten out a lot. We've been patching it until we get the rest of our property fenced. So hopefully with a much bigger space they won't try to get out.
You can get a solar hot wire for about $100 and run it arround the bottom. Quick cheap easy
Thank you for this video! I’m building my goat pen. I’m using cattle panels then plan to line it with the welded wire. I’m thinking I’ll also add a “blind” so, something solid so they can’t see each other. That’s about all I can do for now. 🤑🤑🤑 😊
Awesome! Good luck, and have fun!
Hopefully that worked for you! That's how my goat fence is built - cattle panels with utility fencing over the cattle panels in the pens the kids are in. The adults can't get through the holes in the cattle panels but the kids sure can. However, the cattle panels & T-posts have been working beautifully for us!
the fence he has will separate at the link when the goat push and scratch themselves. I used chicken wire as backup. double layer. its working so far
Yep. They blew the fence apart from rubbing on it. I had it all replaced with heavy braided wire for horses and 6" wood posts and wooden top rail.
I use cattle panels 4x4 squares 5'high x 20' long I believe 6 gauge with a 2 hot wires and a ground on top for the predators
The sound and sight of them gnats has me swatting my face.
Yeah they're a pain here.
your post are on the wrong side of your fence. the clips are holding the fence instead of the posts when they push on it
Gary Simmons yes your right! Dumb mistake. I learned alot in the last year.
Your right. Either way, they still push the fence, it's what goats do. We have the same issue with the fencing, and yes, procrastination has much to do with it, so we'll redo as we go along. How do they do for winter. Ours have a Barn, built the following spring.
You can also do good sturdy corner posts and tractor stretch the wire. Over time the animals will sag freakin' hog panel! Lol.
@@ChikinTown Wouldn't change the problem that you're having, but I felt the same way when I did the same thing
Oh I love that you named the spotted one Dottie!! Fits her perfectly! I have 3 bucks and named them Spruce, Buckeye and Butternut.
Thanks! She is a sweetheart too! Our kids call her MOO though because she looks like a cow lol.
I found that 6-ft chain link with a top rail was the only thing that could contain my houdini goats. Clip or carabiner on the latch, or else.
Wow you sure care for those goats. I am so surprised those goats get through such a small hole.
I have wild goat problems. They get in past barbed wire and spiney acacia branches round the base of the fencing eat my plants and compost pile.
I am thinking goat curry is a good idea .
They are crafty little buggers!
Get some 4x8 or 4x16 cattle panels. Set your tposts every 7.5'. Put them on the inside of your fence. That way when the animal pushes on it the fence transfers the pressure. Then go on the inside and run another wire 2x4 . That way you get the sturdiness of cattle panel and the small of the 2x4. Double the work. But well worth it
Michael Ripperger thanks, gonna be spending more $$ this spring. Lessons learned.
I don't know where you are now with this, or if anyone else mentioned cattle panels in the way I am going to, but I just used cattle panels and the metal posts to keep my barbados and goats in.
I also made use of how easily the panels lend themselves to temporary fencing. I moved them around, wiring them to the posts each time with the same longer bits of wire, tucking the pointy ends. That way, I could rotate their pasture area frequently for forage, and never had to mow or weed eat anywhere, either. Few and smaller bare spots.
It wasn't too hard to do. My helpers were my sons, who were as young as six and ten when we began, and I am a mom. The panels aren't so heavy as they are unwieldy.
My goats had horns, but didn't get stuck. That could be a worry for some. I have seen goats with a part of a broom handle tied across their horns to prevent such where they were being kept, but I didn't have to do that to any of mine.
U can put them pallets all the way around on those T's.
I take it your not in the midwest states like Wisconsin weather. We use solar electricity for barriers on top of fence and inner side where they rub.
South Carolina. I've started using a solar fence wire at the bottom where they tried to push out.
I had a boy do that to the fence to he could scoot under it, so I staked it, then he rolled the doghouse to the fence so he could get on the doghouse then jump the fence, tied down the doghouse so then he figured hed just climb the fence, after that i added a few layers of voltage, that finally did it
That little spotted goat is so cute.
She is a cutie! Very sweet too
Have you seen those anti breeding aprons? I just found them last night. Pretty cool
Yes, I got rid of the males for now.
I actually think cattle panel is the way to go in that situation or experiment with electricicity to the fence and let them get acclimated to not skrew with metal objects that hold a charge i.e. fence. Also your goats are well behaved i had some that literally could clear 4-5 feet for sport. wonder if the goats are trying to mate or something.
Yea they tried to get to each other for sure.
You're fun to listen to! Cool video.
Thank you! Have a great day!
The corners need to be wood post and the T post needs to face what you are trying to keep in and for your buck use heavy cattle panels with what you have already and you should be good I hope this will help you
amanda Patrick yes that's a good idea to repair until I can replace all around. Thanks!
Put up a solar electric fence. About $160 on Amazon. That would keep them away from fence.
daytonn243 I've been checking them out at TSC. Do you know if they are worth the $?
Chikin Town I just bought one, I have not yet installed. However, it is called Parmak DF-SP-LI Solar Pak 6 Low Impedance 6-Volt Battery-Operated 25-Mile-Range Electric Fence Charger it currently has 329 reviews 4 out of 5 stars and there are 2 TH-cam videos about it. It is actually on sale on Amazon for $165.00. Read through Amozon reviews as some reviews give great info regarding correct installation. We have just purchased a farm in W.V. and are interested in raising goats but they definitely look like a handful. Thanks for your videos appreciate it, gives us an idea of what we will have to deal with. Good Luck!!
Chikin Town Here is the link www.amazon.com/Parmak-DF-SP-LI-Impedance-Battery-Operated-25-Mile-Range/dp/B000BWZB74/ref=sr_1_fkmr3_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1534298090&sr=1-1-fkmr3&keywords=parmak+precision+df-sp-li+6+volt+solarpak+fence
daytonn243 thanks for the info! I'll check it out.
tractor supply a lot of times at least most of them have one certain hog panel and it'll be cheaper by far than any of the rest of the panels it's really only like twenty $25 panel it is a 50 inch panel by 16 ft long and I have a goat with full horns and she knows how to get out of it your guys's horns are a little bit closer to his head so they don't stick out as much as like mine so he still might get caught if they are under his but you can put that chicken wire stuff that you have there. That's what I call any of those fences is chicken wire it's only thing that those things will hold in.and I've used this hog panel from stallions to mustang stallions to female naughty horses almost like your little female goat.as well as hogs and goats now I've put everything in them I trust them pretty good and easy to put up by far than any other fence.when she put up a hog panel fence and see how easy it is you will never look back.the only thing I had to worry about was on my horses,,when they like to scratch their butt real hard on it it'll been the actual tipo so I had to put actual polls fence poles. But other than that I've never had a problem with hog panels.if you're wondering what panels they are when you get down there, here at my place they're called the green hog panels cuz the corner of it is painted green when you're out looking at the stacks
You also have pretty friendly baby goats for being raised by their mom cuz it doesn't look like you bottle fed them.so whatever you did to make them as sweet as they are coming up to you and nibbling on your clothes, just feel I had to tell you that that's a great job.keep up all the good work you look like you're doing pretty good
Thank You! My wife calls me the animal whisperer because all of my animals and other people's animals seem to be relaxed around me. I guess because I'm really laid back and they don't pick up on stress.
Yea, this fence was a disaster! I bit the bullet and paid a fence company to build a new paddock.
Seems like you love your goats :=) That's what counts!!! Thanks to you!!
I really do! Your welcome!
How far between T-Post do you have? I am building a goat fence now and have mine at 6 ft, and ill be using a woven wire.
I put mine 6 feet also. The biggest issue is the wire I used is all deformed now from them rubbing along it, creating gaps along the bottom. It's been up for a year. I'm going to upgrade this winter.
the fence is welded wire, and (as mentioned in other comments) on the wrong side of the t-posts. welded wire is fine for decoration, but not going to keep any animals in - braided wire is what you want.
I was checking out the fence yesterday, MANY broken welds... Won't replace with same.
A bunch of Hoes? hahahahaha that cracked me up
Love your attitude towards the goats!!!
Thanks! They're like a bunch of sweet dogs.
Welded wire is terrible for any fencing! It stretches, warps and breaks in no time. It can never be re-stretched to look decent. Not a good product.
Amber Bates I totally agree. We went cheap to see how we would like having goats. Now we're going to spend more $$.
You are absolutely correct.I just built a fenced in area using welded wire (175 ft circumference) and yes it stretchs.warps and bends itself ups and looks unprofessional in places.But isn't woven wire a lot more expensive?
Welded wire is so worthless, the welds pop under the slightest pressure
Yea, wasted a lot of money on that junk. Live and learn.
Just buy horse panels. Problem solved
drmachinewerke1 Panels of all kinds are wayyy more expensive, though. Otherwise, everyone would be using them.
I was told:”If the fence doesn’t hold water it won’t hold goats”.
That's exactly true lol
What kind of fence WILL hold water? 🤔
@@GenipherY yes. Thats the true question 🤔
I knew this comment woudl be in here somewhere!
Good Video. Love the Comedy.
Thank you!
When they hop the fence do they make a run for it or do they just hang around?
TheRockstarbeauty they stuck around but when I found them out side it was only a couple of them. The other two were still inside so I'm hoping it was a herd thing and not just good luck.
Chikin Town Thank you for taking time to respond. Will be getting goats soon!
looks like garden fence not the heavier 14 gauge welded wire
Yes it was bad. Live and learn.
What size are your pens?
These were only 40x40, I've since replaced the whole fence and they're now 80 x 80 much heavier duty.
The young goats are very young . So they might not be bred . As far as male being possible parent, its not as dangerous for mutations as siblings . Deer are pretty much the same thing, you know there has to be, what I call linebreeding . Breeding siblings or cousins will cause smaller weaker and low immune system . If you want to sell the babies do so and if no one ask don't tell the situation . I raise Boer goats and so many folks do that you'd be shocked . The benefit is the if you have a really great buck the offspring gets all his good traits . But they get all his weaknesses too . So its not as bad as it could be ,if they did breed . Or look at it this way ,you bought a messed up male that had a prob, you don't know about to replace yours with. . You would be better off with babies from your old buck because those look really good !!
Phillip Risner that's good info, puts me at ease a bit. So far the girls are fat but no udders forming and if I did the math right from when they were exposed to the Billy Daddy, they would be due in Jan sometime. Hoping they're just fat because I probably over feed them.
It was nice of you to post your problem so others learn from it - thanks. ;) We know how it goes when you're trying to solve livestock infrastructure on a tight budget. Quick solution cattle panels or I've seen successful pallet fencing bolted together. We chose the best no-climb horse fencing with wooden posts for our goat pastures - but it's expensive. when you expand your pens you can make some very nice housing from simple pallets - check out Blue Cactus Dairy Goat channel (if you get bad weather you'll need a bit of wind/rain protection to it but it's strong construction & gives them a place to play) Good luck & hope you got them separated in time. o.-
Yes they were separated in time thankfully! I'm happy to share as I learn and more importantly have a good sense of humor as I make fun of myself when I screw stuff up. Thanks for watching!
No fence is ever completely goat proof!
You got that right!
Looking forward to seeing your new goat pens. Later👉
Here ya go!
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Put a hot wire that will stop them
Yea, next fence upgrade will have one for sure.
going on 3 years using similar fencing for our goats, 1 hot wire around the perimeter and the goats have never touched the panel fence, still like new :)
What breed of goats are they
They are Pigmy
This was the question I came to the comments to find- haha. Mine are Alpine, plus 1 little natured male Lamancha.
How big ate thete paddocks
25 x 25 but open now for 25 x 50. I can close off to separate.
Listen, no offense, but goats only go in to heat once per year. So what Daddy goat got in? I keep my male with my females and the babies, and he is gentle with the babies and doesnt get mom pregnant off season. Besides, he is more mellow and dont smell when they are together.
@ Shetland Nikolova , Unlike larger goats, Nigerian Dwarf goats and pigmy goats have monthly heat cycles, so they cannot be kept together.
How big are the pins
Michael Smith I have 2 25x25 foot pens together, with a gate between open for one big area that I can close off to separate the goats if I need to.
Can you not tighten it up this is how I just built mine oh sizz
Yes, I guess you can fight with tightening it up periodically by twisting wires to tighten everything down but they'll just keep breaking through.
Addhot wire then want needed a new pen
Biggest issue is fence is on outside of posts
@@thedampestcrib6004 since fixed
@ChikinTown yea I got a big job next summer 33 acre trying to see best way thing 4x4 fence 2x4 outrageous rn
@@thedampestcrib6004 gonna be expensive
@@ChikinTown yep 4500 just for fence
Goat burger is quite tasty.... just saying.
So I've heard! One day I'll try it.
I wish someone told you goats don't eat grass!
They eat browse as in trees, scrub, branches n stuff.
Plus you got nothing for them to do in their tiny pens.
They are very intelligent and need things to occupy them or they find stuff to do.
Climbing is not a challenge to a goat so the fencing needs to reflect that disposition.
Moving them to new pasture every few days will prevent them trying to escape, gives them plenty to occupy themselves and saves the humans a lot of heart ache.
ClissaT I know you're right. Hoping to build them a much bigger area this winter.
Nothing wrong with the fence material. It's the fence builder that's the problem. YOU HAVE NO CORNER POST OR BRACING
Hahahaha prom night
lol cute
Get to the point 2:30.
I've paid for worse films