George Hotz: Tiny Corp, Twitter, AI Safety, Self-Driving, GPT, AGI & God | Lex Fridman Podcast

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  • George Hotz is a programmer, hacker, and the founder of comma-ai and tiny corp. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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    EPISODE LINKS:
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    OUTLINE:
    0:00 - Introduction
    1:39 - Time is an illusion
    11:18 - Memes
    13:55 - Eliezer Yudkowsky
    26:19 - Virtual reality
    32:38 - AI friends
    40:03 - tiny corp
    53:24 - NVIDIA vs AMD
    56:21 - tinybox
    1:08:30 - Self-driving
    1:23:09 - Programming
    1:31:06 - AI safety
    1:56:03 - Working at Twitter
    2:33:46 - Prompt engineering
    2:39:42 - Video games
    2:55:57 - Andrej Karpathy
    3:06:02 - Meaning of life
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  • @lexfridman
    @lexfridman  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +255

    Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast.
    Transcript: lexfridman.com/george-hotz-3-transcript
    0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions:
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    1:39 - Time is an illusion
    11:18 - Memes
    13:55 - Eliezer Yudkowsky
    26:19 - Virtual reality
    32:38 - AI friends
    40:03 - tiny corp
    53:24 - NVIDIA vs AMD
    56:21 - tinybox
    1:08:30 - Self-driving
    1:23:09 - Programming
    1:31:06 - AI safety
    1:56:03 - Working at Twitter
    2:33:46 - Prompt engineering
    2:39:42 - Video games
    2:55:57 - Andrej Karpathy
    3:06:02 - Meaning of life

    • @ryangeorge346
      @ryangeorge346 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thanks, Lex

    • @arnoldmatambo5574
      @arnoldmatambo5574 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      really great what you do man!

    • @sigma4471
      @sigma4471 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Time(seconds, minutes and hours) is an illusion. Day and night is the real aspect of time.

    • @nicolaspace1182
      @nicolaspace1182 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thanks for this one Lex, you seemed more intimidated than normal at the start, but then I realized you were just tired since you slept poorly. I hope you do your next interview with GeoHotz wearing a Hawaiian shirt, and go go-carting together.

    • @Av-vd3wk
      @Av-vd3wk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Did they mention this dudes claim to fame was hacking/jail breaking the original iPhone while he was a kid???

  • @brusslee1814
    @brusslee1814 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1329

    This guy needs to be interviewed meticulously at the end of each month to make sure his descend into madness is fully documented

    • @user-wr2cd1wy3b
      @user-wr2cd1wy3b 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

      Completely disagreed with your why but I'm 100% on your what

    • @user-wr2cd1wy3b
      @user-wr2cd1wy3b 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      I was just going saying this to someone else, about 90% of people genuinely good. The reason why there's so much horrible crap going on in the world is because the 10% without moral limits are able to accumulate tons of money that way, by for one example of many, letting them externalize costs onto a third party, i.e. Haliburton putting the cost on the U.S. and it's military for the Iraq war. Or Dupont putting it on their local farms. The dynamic is such that with all the accumulated wealth, the dictation of people's conduct increases that some much smallers total influence on the world to a much greater extent than if they hadn't been taking advantage of he human agreements designed to increase co-operation. It's the reason why social media went from causing that era of feeling wonderful about the world to an absolute crap hole, the bad people took over tech and re-expressed it's algorithms to block out certain elements and retrain you sociologically to the paradigm that most suits them. And that paradigm is tons of small groups, demographics, fighting amongst themselves, because that serves the powerful. Because the one scenario they lose power is in altered mass human agreement, and people are waking up to the need. Many are also highly manipulated by the demographic wars, which is hilarious.
      So in other words, this guy is on point with his central theme on everything. I'm not sure he was always able to express it perfectly, but in some areas he did very well.

    • @DannySullivanMusic
      @DannySullivanMusic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      lol!

    • @hailandfire1822
      @hailandfire1822 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@user-wr2cd1wy3b today's good guy is tomorrow's bad guy

    • @herbwhitmore4482
      @herbwhitmore4482 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LOL

  • @mohammadkhan5430
    @mohammadkhan5430 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1056

    Whenever I listen to George, I get this strange urge to do more with my life. Grateful for such humans.

    • @ThatOneScienceGuy
      @ThatOneScienceGuy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      Yeah I feel so mediocre.

    • @kennethkretschmer1027
      @kennethkretschmer1027 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      I agree. But he also makes me sure the world is ending. Strange conflict.

    • @TheLaraJose
      @TheLaraJose 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      YES!

    • @invaderg3332
      @invaderg3332 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I need Palmer Luckey on this thing as well. Palmer is equally entertaining. I want to hear more about SAO and Pokemon, and wahtever videogame.

    • @headlights-go-up
      @headlights-go-up 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@ThatOneScienceGuy dont feel mediocre. george is just a genius lol

  • @BM-lj5gt
    @BM-lj5gt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +248

    Fascinating conversation. I can't get past the sense that George has somehow retained the philosophical complexity of a rebellious 14 year old while blossoming as an entrepreneur. it's interesting.

    • @a-j.2002
      @a-j.2002 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      It's so weird.
      His obsessions are simple and dumb while he's capable of understanding and approximate solutions of hard, complex stuff.
      'Women are attracted to status and power and men are attracted to youth and beauty.'
      That is so incredibly basic and incel culture that he loses his credibility in an instant.

    • @c.chinaski3156
      @c.chinaski3156 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

      ​@@a-j.2002that may be a generalisation, but it's not a lie. get over your own ideological bias & stare reality in the face.

    • @siddharthverma1249
      @siddharthverma1249 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      ​@@a-j.2002study cultures across geography and time, see the scientific literatures about marriage, divorce, hypergamy, monogamy, sexual dimorphism, evolutionary psychology etc and see how right "incels" are. Namecalling does not impose reality to follow your sets of ideological positions.

    • @Gobbldeegoo1
      @Gobbldeegoo1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@c.chinaski3156mmm it’s a lie though sadly. People look for character traits in partners. Status, power, youth, and beauty are all positive attractors for both sexes, they are not mutually exclusive or exercised by one sex more than the other in a more consistent fashion. Also, both sexes may look for those qualities in a mate, but there are other qualities that they may consider more highly. For example trust, honor, empathy, attention span, a knack for humor, confidence, grace, the desire to nurture other people, ability to learn from criticism… all of these traits are often prized more highly then beauty and youth combined for a monogamous long term relationship. Only children that haven’t been a part of long term relationships think it’s all about status, power, beauty, and youth. It’s fatherless behavior frankly… it’s obvious you’ve had terrible male role models throughout your life. Or you’re just choosing to ignore the good ones.

    • @BoomiestBomb
      @BoomiestBomb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​​@@siddharthverma1249 Evolutionary psychology is speculative at best. The only thing we know about yawning is that it didn't hinder the survival of our ancestors. That's all: anything more is just a guess.
      It is much safer to say that women are attracted to _admirable_ men. Socially-conscious women may be attracted to men of status but only insofar as it indicates admirability. You do not need to roll up to the coffee shop in a Ferrari and enter with your gold watch and Aviators that hang from your V-neck to beat the competition for the cute nerdy girl you've been eyeing. That's a five year old's conception of how adults interact.

  • @harleymanning5213
    @harleymanning5213 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +198

    Lex, honestly I hope your work lasts an eternity. These conversations you are putting out are like a Rosetta Stone or library of Alexandria for future historians to understand a major changing point in history.

    • @Illusionsaregrander
      @Illusionsaregrander 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I just hope that the changing point in history being studied isn't how Big Tech Bro culture and their "hold my Bulletproof coffee and watch this" attitude towards AI dragged ALL of humanity into a fascist AI hell we cannot escape from.
      These guys are making decisions for all of us, without our understanding or consent.

    • @magnus1819
      @magnus1819 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Illusionsaregranderur consent doesn't matter like as bad people will continue to develop it no matter what

    • @sharphorn12
      @sharphorn12 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Flee jos fe😊ddeeeddeé😊eeeeeeé😮😮on the b on the b e😮

    • @sandratoolan9598
      @sandratoolan9598 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      amen 😉

    • @swlak516
      @swlak516 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Calm down bro

  • @nj2ca9234
    @nj2ca9234 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +385

    My mom was George’s lunch aid in 2nd Grade. He would tell her how him and his dad would pick up old computers on rubbish night and fix them. Glen Rock loves you George ❤

    • @millennial9252
      @millennial9252 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Byrd School!

    • @barrypoontang
      @barrypoontang 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      is "Lunch aid" code for autism wrangler? would make sense.

    • @pilly3815
      @pilly3815 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      omg this is so cute

    • @themore-you-know
      @themore-you-know 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      Haha, love your mom for listening to him.
      By contrast, my 2nd grade teacher mocked me in front of the whole class for talking about nuclear power plants.
      Telling to students: "Ignore him, he's weird." while pointing to me.

    • @Jeal0usJelly
      @Jeal0usJelly 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@themore-you-know F

  • @Accelerationbro
    @Accelerationbro 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1270

    Hotz is the definition of a mad scientist

    • @pspT61
      @pspT61 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      I can't comprehend most of his long live streams that are archived on YT.....But dude is mad (In a amazing way) and it's so intriguing to watch.

    • @Accelerationbro
      @Accelerationbro 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      @@pspT61feel the same way, its so humbling and inspiring. A thing that also special about him is that he is straight up with everything, no bullshit and dude never soldout

    • @I_am_Raziel
      @I_am_Raziel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      "I wish I was more weird!" 😆

    • @HG77K
      @HG77K 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Cringe

    • @Scorch428
      @Scorch428 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      more like a true greyhat

  • @nobodynoone2500
    @nobodynoone2500 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    I feel like Lex is asking questions he doesn't understand enough to talk intelligently about them, but covers well by generalizing Hotz's statements. Helps everyone understand, and forces George to keep to task. Love this, not throwing shades.

  • @mateopereyra790
    @mateopereyra790 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I just can't get enough of these two, I love geo, he's like an idol to me. I don't understand half of the things that he says (techinical stuff) but I just love to listen to him. Lex please keep bringing him to the podcast.

  • @redreality6940
    @redreality6940 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +160

    Every time I feel like I know more than absolutely nothing, Lex puts out a new podcast with George Hotz

    • @robbyg2490
      @robbyg2490 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Amen

    • @Alex-fh4my
      @Alex-fh4my 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Exactly what I'm thinking watching this... need to study more 🤣

    • @konverzny
      @konverzny 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Every time I feel like I am a tiny bit intelligent I see Geroge Hotz and realize I am a dumb monkey.

  • @InfoJunky
    @InfoJunky 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    I've never clicked a video so fast in my life. I've been begging for you to get him back on. Thanks Lex! You're the man!

    • @Cracktune
      @Cracktune 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      same

    • @Electric_Snap
      @Electric_Snap 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A part deux of part 3 would be great. George is quite a diamond in the rough. I don’t know if there is anyone like him. 1 in 8 billion imo.

  • @ivanidrovog.5455
    @ivanidrovog.5455 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Listening to George Hotz is like discovering a rare, soulful funk track from the '60s - it's a captivating blend of rhythm and intellect that keeps you hooked. Just like good old funk, his discourse never misses a beat! :D

  • @4puf
    @4puf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Another amazing podcast! These two together are worth more than the sum of of the parts. I need the "not all FLOPS are created equal" T-shirt!

  • @PhumlaniNxumalo
    @PhumlaniNxumalo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +130

    "if there's two great evils in the world, it's centralization and complexity" ~ George Hotz

    • @LPchief
      @LPchief 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This. Exactly

    • @timmah3496
      @timmah3496 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Entropy is evil

    • @PhumlaniNxumalo
      @PhumlaniNxumalo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@timmah3496 entropy is a countdown clock to enforce the end date for the universe as set by the creator or simulator, whichever you believe in.

    • @mble
      @mble 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@timmah3496 Kinda funny when you think about it this way, because every living organism objectively increase entropy

    • @Hopefully2025
      @Hopefully2025 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Complexity is not entropy. I disagree that complexity is evil. I enjoy degrees of complexity, it keeps me interested. Think of any great book or movie of painting. Sometimes what makes it so good is attributed to it's complexity.

  • @briandecker8403
    @briandecker8403 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    If you want to understand how deeply insightful William Gibson was when he wrote Neuromancer - the core of the plot is an AI (Wintermute) using all the information it has about individuals to build a team that it then influences by playing them against each other to accomplish it's goal - joining with another AI (Neuromancer) to create a super intelligence. Wintermute even makes the point to Case (the lead protagonist) that it "does not plan - it recognizes possibilities and then creates situations".

    • @ChristopherCorvo
      @ChristopherCorvo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Excellent comment. I see Neuromancer being a very likely future outcome of AI.

    • @sog1272
      @sog1272 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ChristopherCorvo I'm peaked. Going to look this up but can either of you or both share what you perceived as difference between Wintermute and Neuromancer? Basic and complex differences are most welcome!

    • @Ed-ix2vk
      @Ed-ix2vk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kinda give new meaning to Problem Reaction Solution?

  • @bendover6785
    @bendover6785 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Legend of my childhood and legend of the future. True underdog. I hope George never gets too big so he will always stay focused on his goals

  • @wylieecoyote
    @wylieecoyote 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Lex and George are both fascinating and these podcasts are always amazing. Time flies and you never know where you will end up.

  • @keepfeatherinitbrothaaaa
    @keepfeatherinitbrothaaaa 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +211

    I could listen to George talk for hours and not get tired of it.

    • @geraldodev
      @geraldodev 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      You did, 3 hours.

    • @teesand33
      @teesand33 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      George has a streaming channel. But don't drink too much Kool aid

    • @anthonybell8512
      @anthonybell8512 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am the opposite, he is smart but I can’t stand his contrarian personality. He says GPT is as smart as a chicken yet GPT reasons better than most humans and GPT is not interesting because we solved chess 20 years ago. His contrarian hot takes generates so many contradictions, I feel like he is playing a cartoon character of himself because he is too smart to be generating so many contradictions.

    • @taytus
      @taytus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You need new meds

    • @antoniosagomes6152
      @antoniosagomes6152 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@anthonybell8512 he was talking about consciousness

  • @Epileptick0
    @Epileptick0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +230

    Holy shit this man is QUICK witted! He comes up with the most complex and well thought out answers so quick I'm not even sure he's human.

    • @tomaszwota1465
      @tomaszwota1465 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      He sure is sharp as heck. If I was half as sharp, I could cut through mountains like a real katana.

    • @mvvagner
      @mvvagner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Right? I think he's probably been asked all these questions often and has had to give it some very serious thought to have such smart answers so fast.

    • @nicolaspace1182
      @nicolaspace1182 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@mvvagnerhe’s asked the questions before himself and seen others ask and give various answers to the questions themselves.

    • @schwajj
      @schwajj 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Try watching at 1.75x, he’s even faster.

    • @perc-ai
      @perc-ai 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      his iq is 151 hes a famous programmer

  • @timkickass
    @timkickass 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Hotz is the best.
    Open minded and opinionated.
    A beautiful combination.

  • @chrisanderson687
    @chrisanderson687 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    I really really really enjoy George Hotz and Lex Fridman. As a fellow weirdo, thank you both for sharing this conversation with us. :D

  • @Wizkid717007
    @Wizkid717007 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +358

    Hotz is a natural genius mixed with an entrepreneur mixed with a curious, fun loving, "why tf not" badass

    • @phnxen3rg666
      @phnxen3rg666 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      You forgot to mention off his rocker.

    • @LockeLeon
      @LockeLeon 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He's the ultimate ENTP

    • @coolbugfacts1234
      @coolbugfacts1234 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      he is the brain genius who had to ask twitter how to write a regex in javascript. truly one of the leading minds of our time.

    • @biesman5
      @biesman5 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@coolbugfacts1234 He is a genius despite that

    • @grazie-dc6we
      @grazie-dc6we 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That's the character and the brand. That's who he wants you to think he is.

  • @schillage8
    @schillage8 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +125

    Lex states he isn't high and then rattles off the highest question he can think of..... 'do we have ideas or do ideas have us' I love this podcast

    • @JoeyLutes
      @JoeyLutes 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂

  • @vfxsoup
    @vfxsoup 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    Hotz is like if you made a 2 hour clip of all the biggest thoughts from all the Lex podcasts. My mind feels like it’s been assaulted and I love it.

  • @jinxycat1964
    @jinxycat1964 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Loved this interview, I watched in its entirety, and for the most part, I think I succeeded in just keeping up, barely. You are both brilliant.

  • @LockeLeon
    @LockeLeon 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    I think these two together have the best synergy and connection of all the guests I've seen in the podcast.

    • @jazzman7320
      @jazzman7320 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Best synergy AND they seem to make each other a hell of a lot funnier, too - just back to back zingers and quotes. I wouldn’t be mad if George was a recurring guest, and if Lex was ever busy it would be dope to see Geohot as the guest host interviewing people on Lex’s behalf. They’ve got a great thing going here!

  • @erickhar
    @erickhar 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +102

    Hotz is consistently my favorite listen

    • @JohnBeadling
      @JohnBeadling 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why?

    • @RyNiuu
      @RyNiuu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      After Jim Keller.

    • @shaggyfeng9110
      @shaggyfeng9110 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@JohnBeadling he is real to his thoughts, does not pretend to be a more friendly or correct or easier received version of some CEO persona.

  • @peterszilvasi752
    @peterszilvasi752 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    What a start of a conversation! 😀
    George: Math is real.
    Lex: It should be a T-shirt.
    George: I don't think p equals np.
    Lex: Ooh... strong words.

  • @coomservative
    @coomservative 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    @lexfridman need a debate between Hotz and Yudkowsky, Hotz is the only person I’ve heard who understands the risk as well as EY, yet disagrees, having them hash it out is an important step in figuring out how society should proceed with AI safety regulations

  • @YuriAchermann
    @YuriAchermann 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +119

    It's just amazing to see how George's mind builds a line of thought

  • @iliachekalev1631
    @iliachekalev1631 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    Great chemistry between Lex and George! Love it.

  • @Consural
    @Consural 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is probably the best podcast episode in the history of anything. It's only been 20 mins and you've already covered 6 hours worth of very complex questions and answers.

    • @ryzikx
      @ryzikx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      joscha bach

  • @BlackHermit
    @BlackHermit 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I really love the episodes with him. Glad he returned for one more. ❤

  • @cyberft
    @cyberft 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    Hotz is one of the few folks I have to listen to at regular speed.

    • @asdf-jo4vv
      @asdf-jo4vv 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree 👍🏻💯

    • @literailly
      @literailly 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree. Lol

    • @MegaMijit
      @MegaMijit 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      same here!!

  • @hunternewberry5860
    @hunternewberry5860 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    My eyes have never raised quicker and more dramatically than seeing a Lex Hotz episode pop up on the feed

  • @Idiomatick
    @Idiomatick 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    Geohot always makes me flip rapidly between 'man this guy is weird' and 'omg, he is exactly right on this one thing i'm an expert in'

    • @notasovietspy8008
      @notasovietspy8008 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I definitely agree, there's so many things I agree with him on completely and so many things I don't. There's barely an in-between

    • @guncolony
      @guncolony 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@notasovietspy8008 The hot takes are somehow all really intriguing too.

  • @user-xk7de1jw8g
    @user-xk7de1jw8g 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I love when George persists supporting his view that the meaning of life is to win always. He is really interesting to listen to.

    • @ismaelamaro7728
      @ismaelamaro7728 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The follow up question would be how do you define winning? Is it merely surviving, or something greater?

  • @craigbaumann8893
    @craigbaumann8893 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    I absolutely loved this conversation, not many people would even be able to understand this conversation because you two completely nerded out and i loved it

  • @magicology
    @magicology 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +121

    Some people don't realize how cool and smart George Hotz is. Dude is a tech prodigy and hacking pioneer who's accomplished incredible things. What's even more impressive is that he's a good-natured human who cares about others.

    • @vlandanlaurusaitis639
      @vlandanlaurusaitis639 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      This is AI

    • @jingyitay6179
      @jingyitay6179 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Won’t say he cares but he has the right head on and tact not to spiral head first into the whole venture tech shit.

    • @majisher
      @majisher 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vlandanlaurusaitis639 hello kremBot

    • @hari61017
      @hari61017 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      i dont think he cares lol

    • @Vaeldarg
      @Vaeldarg 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      His technical credentials are one thing, but after listening to the end of the podcast his politics are pretty clearly that of Libertarians even as he calls himself Centrist (that Libertarians like to do, because it sounds better than the truth that they're right-leaning). He says he's fine with a dictatorship because he thinks it would be a benevolent one, not understanding that wannabe-dictators tend to LIE and say they're for populist policies when they couldn't care less (and then throw the people who elected them under the bus as soon as they've been granted enough power by those supporters).
      Him and Elon REALLY need to get their heads out of the right-wing politics rabbit holes they've let themselves fall down into....(for goodness sake, saying he would "rather die than have to rely on UBI from the government"....it wouldn't be FOR you, it would be for those who are more likely to die WITHOUT it....nothing would be stopping you from making more ON TOP of UBI....) But instead of accepting that kind of advice, they write it off as being just "from a hater", as if no reasonable person could come to such a conclusion after listening to them.

  • @benzel5659
    @benzel5659 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    So nice seeing a picture of him smiling as the thumbnail rather than a picture from his UFC profile. He's got a great smile, should promote it more often.

  • @christianwilliams8797
    @christianwilliams8797 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    You’re a great human Lex. It’s been fun watching you succeed. Well done.

    • @Gianfranco_69
      @Gianfranco_69 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I dont know how he got in the algorithm so DEEP but if i fall asleep with Ytube on autoplay i wake up to Lex...if i go out and leave the Tv playing ytube for my Dog ...i come home its playing Lex... i dont really search for him i am not subbed , i think its the guests ...the same used to happen with Jo rogan and JP

  • @Lovemynerd
    @Lovemynerd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +167

    I love this guy, he seems to value freedom over security which is a viewpoint that is in frightening low demand these days

    • @18_rabbit
      @18_rabbit 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      it's nowhere near as binary or trade-off-y as most ppl think.

    • @TheMrVogue
      @TheMrVogue 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@18_rabbit Explain please

    • @Mike37551
      @Mike37551 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Glass half full. Security over freedom is oversupplied and is losing its value. You can see the demand for freedom increasing globally. Wherever freedom is established, that’s where the talent and money will go. Rates of change are accelerating at a pace where bottlenecking everything won’t be sustainable for much longer.

    • @Fuz2yman
      @Fuz2yman 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree, but it is always a trade off, you never really have freedom. If everyone has the freedom to do what they want, how do you prevent someone from exercising their freedom on someone else, who's freedom would be taken away? So someone has freedom and someone is getting fcked. :) it's a really hard question to be honest.
      What you need to ask is, the freedom for as many people as possible, that is where regulation comes in. In the perfect world this would be enough, but in the real world you have too many powerful conflicting interests, so someone is still getting fcked somewhere :)

    • @averybingham4108
      @averybingham4108 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I can't take his position on this topic seriously when he casually embraces dictatorship.

  • @sabirhagverdiyev9136
    @sabirhagverdiyev9136 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Respect to Lex for genuinely trying to catch up with George's train of thought.

    • @pieterrossouw8596
      @pieterrossouw8596 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I get the entertainment value of the conversation style, but every now and then it seems like George just says something because it sounds really complex and deep and cannot simply be disproven, nor can it be proven. Matthew McConaughey did the same thing to an extent, but way better - it stayed fun to listen to and he didn’t state it so matter of fact. You need charisma to get away with it seems.
      I’m sure George is really intelligent, just not nearly as intelligent as he’d like to sound. Still like listening to Lex though.

  • @Heindy.Creator
    @Heindy.Creator 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I went through so many emotion In one sitting. From curious, to finding him weird, to disgust, to curious again just to end up respecting him by the end

  • @robindehood207
    @robindehood207 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love this level of nerding... I could listen to this 24/7 if I was consious.

  • @chrisharveyy
    @chrisharveyy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    Hotz is definitely one of my favorite minds

  • @jsanti1000
    @jsanti1000 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    "Centralization bad, decentralization good." Love it

  • @Ziontrainism
    @Ziontrainism 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dude I've never heard of this guy.. only saw the intro and I'm already strapped in!

  • @nobodys2358
    @nobodys2358 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1:45
    - Do you think time is an illusion?
    - You know...
    *tiny laughter from Lex*
    This is when I knew the conversation is off to a great start!

  • @opmike343
    @opmike343 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The segment on "Who has the power to shut down Google? Who could shut down the ai?" was such a fascinating road to go down.

  • @BebehCookieIcecream
    @BebehCookieIcecream 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I don't know wtf is with all the amazon comments (yet?) but just wanted to show my love for George. Awesome guest and single-handedly sparked my love for computing.

  • @robinspanier7017
    @robinspanier7017 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    1:23:14 its always humbling to hear one of the best speak about coding, i am doing it for 10 years and earn a good salary by doing so but o boy do i feel like a novice compared to them.
    and thats why i love the show, you are helping me to stand on the shoulders of giants lex

  • @Kobe29261
    @Kobe29261 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Its obvious from this why he'll never fit INSIDE any corporate system - he'll likewise never survive the military. He's a guardian* by design.
    Generally the Taker-system abhor people like him; you don't want an employee who also has interesting thoughts about the general architecture of the entire puzzle into which he must plug like a worker bee. Its just incredibly refreshing to listen to you man - you remind me of Oppenheimer - a man with irrepressible curiosity and courage.

  • @Ed-ix2vk
    @Ed-ix2vk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    George is fantastic, calling out Lex's "charitable interpretations" haha I love it. Great guest, and great chemistry between you both Lex, MORE GEORGE HOTZ!

  • @zeuglcockatrice4633
    @zeuglcockatrice4633 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    the Lex 526b model is showing impressive results, the devs are getting really close to AGI

  • @kytran5884
    @kytran5884 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Such an interesting episode, wish I understood it better so I could fully appreciate the intricacies.

  • @charan775
    @charan775 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2:06:00 complexity
    2:09:00 simplicity
    2:11:00 refactor
    2:15:00 tests to make rapid changes, writing tests in legacy codebase
    2:17:30 incentive to move up

  • @patronspatron7681
    @patronspatron7681 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +107

    George's intelligence, honesty, humour and transparency is enlightening and inspirational. If I had more programming chops, I would love to work with him.

  • @tonio9973
    @tonio9973 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    THIS MADE MY DAY THANKS
    NEXT IS JOSCHA BACH ROUND 3
    those two are my favorite guests by far

    • @Iriesu
      @Iriesu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      great taste :)

    • @Cracktune
      @Cracktune 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I listen to Joscha's and Hotz' multiple times a year. for some reason they sing to me. . .

    • @shaunpriddle3404
      @shaunpriddle3404 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      100% man

  • @RussInGA
    @RussInGA 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love the type discussion.. reminds me of discussions I used to have debating typed vs non typed. Used to love asking that as an interview question. Which is better.. convince me. Lots of right answers. Lots of opportunity to show weakness and strength.

  • @frinetik
    @frinetik 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I know I'm 10 months behind, but I love this guy. "OMG, have you met humans?" "OMG, we can lose CONTROL? I hope we lose control." "Anarchy you have a chance."

  • @idatong976
    @idatong976 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    "We end up amusing us to death..." George Hotz reminds me of something Soren Kierkegaard said in his Either/Or: "A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it's a joke." It's mostly alarming. Thanks for this episode Lex.

    • @MiguelSilva-vq6qe
      @MiguelSilva-vq6qe 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @Kobe29261
      @Kobe29261 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thats a brilliant insight; also why we need guardians. Something that stands outside the system; someone who pulls the switch that directs at least some of the people to the basement so we preserve this experiment. Currently AI is our best chance; cos any humans we pick will have something against them by a certain class of the population; a truly decentralized AGI could be entrusted with a single task 'Don't let humanity die out!'

    • @barking_mad6649
      @barking_mad6649 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Neil Postman I believe coined the phrase in his book.

  • @DannyWelch
    @DannyWelch 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    George Hotz is one of the most entertaining, brilliant people on the planet. Possibly biased because we agree on so many topics, but whatever. He's hella fun to listen to.

  • @bconni2
    @bconni2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i appreciate how George breaks it all down in simple laymen's terms.

  • @victorgabr
    @victorgabr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Great conversation, Hotz is super crazy 😂..listening to him gives me nostalgia from watching "Pinky and the Brain" cartoon as a kid. Lex doesn't sound like Pinky but George definitely sounds like "the Brain" when talking about his plans. 😂😂😂

    • @Walexo45
      @Walexo45 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ahahaha absolutely.

  • @anywallsocket
    @anywallsocket 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    Geo is a fever dream in human programmer form and I'm here for it

  • @santiagoscanlan
    @santiagoscanlan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    I waited years for this interview, the previous two were some of the most amazing ones I've ever heard 🎉

  • @pasc4le
    @pasc4le 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm really linking the episode. The only problem is the subtitles, they are so messed up I had to disable them. All the technical terms are wrong.

  • @PerfectSense77
    @PerfectSense77 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    At first Hotz just annoyed me but after pushing through it, this might be my favourite Lex episode after John Carmack. Hotz's responses are always interesting, and his contrast with the different ideas and energy of Lex is great to watch.

  • @nukamui
    @nukamui 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    AGI has already generated an Infinite Jest that makes me want to consume it until my demise. It’s called The Lex Fridman Podcast.

  • @simonoreilly2k9
    @simonoreilly2k9 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    “How does it feel to be a web server? Do 404’s hurt?” - that got me good 💀

  • @scottlothbrok5806
    @scottlothbrok5806 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    George Hotz is the Quentin Tarantino of tech

  • @thewho2801
    @thewho2801 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you a lot for this podcast in general and for this episode especially. It was really thrilling listening to you and George, a man who can switch in seconds from really weird (in a good way) to being fascinating.

  • @chickenwings273
    @chickenwings273 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Been waiting for this! We need to have George on the podcast regularly, at least once a year. Such an interesting personality! Thank you Lex and George 🙏🙏 You guys are my heroes 😀😀

  • @Laz3rs
    @Laz3rs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Always awesome listening to this guy. Been following him for years. I love how whenever your on a topic no matter how crazy George is able to pop off like when he was talking about “two different stacks” of life.

  • @osmanypujol1805
    @osmanypujol1805 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does anyone have any idea what chairs does Lex use for his podcast ? They must be good with these 3-5 hour long podcast . I want to buy one

  • @telivizion3979
    @telivizion3979 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lex is a good guy, he blocks our podcast ads

  • @KikiCat_123
    @KikiCat_123 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    dear lex, thank you so much for being an inspiration of what you can achieve with being kind, persistent and open minded. love your reading list for this year. I am more of a Benjamin, and I see you as old major. a kind, grandfatherly philosopher of change

  • @cbob213
    @cbob213 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I enjoy the podcasts between these 2 soooo much.
    I would love to see Lex get on stream with Hotz and have real time viewer feedback / questions.
    Although maybe the beauty and alchemy of the conversation are what make them so good.

  • @Daukposse
    @Daukposse 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    George isn't just quirky smart. His processing speed & smarts are nextgen!
    Very few people can process at his speed and respond in an intelligent way.

  • @mihirraj6382
    @mihirraj6382 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man, George every time hits different with truth, he acts amazingly shy and nerdy at the same time.

  • @liamwinter4512
    @liamwinter4512 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    These types of people will end up creating skynet in their garages.

    • @butcherIT
      @butcherIT 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If the deapstate doest do it first

    • @kennethkretschmer1027
      @kennethkretschmer1027 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@butcherITor hasn’t done it yet…

    • @jibokeng8009
      @jibokeng8009 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Really but I hope not😂

  • @Draxen
    @Draxen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    No wayyyy.
    George is one of my favourite guests Lex! So hyped to listen to this!!
    Finishing the week strong 💪🔥

  • @michaelschrago8107
    @michaelschrago8107 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Not only was the podcast very instructive, but also very fun!

  • @lolozaur13
    @lolozaur13 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    im so grateful for har the tech we have nowadays, it feels amazing to be able to be that small fly on the wall when smart people are having a conversation :D

  • @LegendaryInfortainment
    @LegendaryInfortainment 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Mr. Hotz exemplifies the nuanced quirk. More farm out, right arm, and out-of state than any other power-nerd! Love him. Thank you Lex!

    • @barrypoontang
      @barrypoontang 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      is "nuanced quirk" code for crippling Aspergers?

  • @Huffelisa
    @Huffelisa 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    Only 20 min in, George has already introduced like 4 novel ideas. Love this conversation! Already looking forward to your 4th conversation :D

    • @gickygackers
      @gickygackers 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If you're groupchat isn't like this, get new friends

    • @genesises
      @genesises 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@gickygackers your*

    • @PaulWalker-lk3gi
      @PaulWalker-lk3gi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All of the novels have already been written though.

    • @Bad3r
      @Bad3r 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PaulWalker-lk3gigive me names + examples I want to read those

    • @PaulWalker-lk3gi
      @PaulWalker-lk3gi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Bad3r PKDick is probably a good start. The Ghost in the Shell Standalone Complex book is about AI girlfriends, which is the real source of my quip.

  • @eggmooi2797
    @eggmooi2797 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1:46:33 “I was Time’s person of the year 2006.”
    Damn.. that’s a good one 😂 I’m putting that on my resumé from here on out.

  • @agathodaemon8018
    @agathodaemon8018 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    to know that people like this are still in this mad world makes me very happy, thank you

  • @Basieeee
    @Basieeee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I love how George has been over the years, also please go ahead do a round 4 and 5 in the future.

  • @samhvidberg5612
    @samhvidberg5612 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    This is such a fun conversation. Lex is at a new peak of podcasting.

    • @vytasffbismarck7001
      @vytasffbismarck7001 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JesusIsGod-ih9cg Matthew 7:6

    • @0ne87
      @0ne87 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your mentally ill if you believe this

  • @EludeStalwart
    @EludeStalwart 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    when George said "do 404s hurt?" and Lex said "Not yet." I felt that deeply 😤

  • @AndrosYang
    @AndrosYang 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The ones you have with Hotz always feel more real. I get you want to meet powerful people but try to keep it this way

  • @762dracoAK
    @762dracoAK 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    GeoHot is a legend for creating Cydia (best jailbreak of the iPhone). I hope you guys recognize how valuable this conversation was, not just educationally but mindset-wise. A lot of high-level engineering and first principle discussions in this video. Truly inspiring for people like me at the forefront of the fastest growing trillion dollar industry (terraforming the planet with agritech)

  • @JoeyLutes
    @JoeyLutes 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    LOVE this guy!! Your George interviews are some of my all-time favorites!

  • @Onyaneeze
    @Onyaneeze 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's cool watching two computers have a conversation!

  • @carlosfreire8249
    @carlosfreire8249 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Lex was great at prompt engineering in this interview.

  • @hello-mynameis
    @hello-mynameis 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Brilliant conversation as always thank you! Im only half way into my first listen. Everyone should hear this ❤

  • @hcironman9196
    @hcironman9196 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hotz had me thinking for a few minutes about this: Power and status are different because they require actual, real-world people being subordinated. If you snapped your fingers and removed the people that a King rules over, you do change the power and status of the King. If you snapped your fingers and removed all old people, it doesn't change the age of the remaining youthful people.

  • @conniepatterson7215
    @conniepatterson7215 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can now relax. Thank you Lex and George for this meeting of the minds.