I need to do a diss track it seems 🤣. Yea... Uh... Ren... Hi ren see me before you say hi, run. Something something can't handle this heat oh u usually make ur own beats ill give you a beat - ing. Boom I'm now 7k subs
@@Calmontheoutside the very first time that I looked at his page it was at 997 the second it was 967 then 971 first time I looked at it after Ren dropped he had already broke 2000. And from what I see he does have an outlet prepared which is what I also assumed would be the best course you have to respect the hustle just because you don't like the hustle doesn't mean the hustle doesn't help both sides how many people watch those disses😂😂😂😂 if you're any kind of rap artist you actually expect fanbases to come at you hard. Especially if you've done any Street rapping. I'm glad he has an album lined up though I wasn't sure if he had one or not.
Ren didn’t take anything from Dotta. He may be talking about Ren taking his culture (rapping). The gist of what happened with him and Ren is that Dotta (and others) was trash talking and insulting Ren on the MichelleShow during a reaction to one of Ren’s songs. Dotta was going on about how it’s not his culture etc. (played the race card). Ren seen it and confronted Dotta. After a few comments back and fourth Dotta told Ren to watch out because he’d be next on diss list, and Ren said “Round one. Ding. Ding”. So basically Ren accepted the challenge. They had another conversation later where Ren set the rules. During that convo Dotta tried to backtrack his previous comments and told Ren that he respected him as an MC. With Knox, it was pretty much started by MichelleShow. During Knox’s “Killshot remix” reaction, there’s a few lyrics that sounded like he said “Dotta”, so MichelleShow told Dotta and got the beef going, even after Knox said that he was not referring to King Dotta because he never even heard of him before. Dotta didn’t believe him (for some reason he thinks everyone knows who he is). He claimed that because bigger reactors like NoLifeShaq knows who he is, that he must too, but from what I understand, Dotta has a habit of messaging and paying reactors to play his stuff to hype him up, and for chasing more popular rappers for clout.
@xFayze At the beginning of the Stan remix, he says "I can't breathe, Eugene." That's the Michelleshow host's name. So he's sucking off Eugene not Knox. Great reaction!! I know I'm late to this.
You did them in the right order. It's the way them came out. Knox did two drops 24hrs apart. Ren did his on Friday and I saw you reacted to that one separately so I'll go take a listen to that one too 😁. Great reactions ❤
He's not a bad rapper and I think this was just a battle rap contest. It's not a real beef if you agree on things like, "one take". Honestly, he didn't lay a glove on Ren. They both killed him, but in the end, this is helpful to Dotta's career, even though he got crushed.
I do agree with you on when King Dotta attacks Ren about chasing trends, and of course this is a disstrack to Ren so it's embellished, but Dotta's got a point here, as you've described Ren's earlier career as an artist he touches on many other fads and trends, he doesn't lock down on one niche but early on he broadens his marketing to touch several other genres and touch upons some other topics like politics, or emotions, and even has a strange guitar style. Like Ren's way of marketing and promoting himself is going broad, similarly to MGK at one point because MGK wasn't just a rapper but a guitarist great with singing and rock, and those skillsets tends to help also with a wider marketing strategy.
For context, there was some beef and drama between King Dotta and Ren, Knox Hill decided to join in for clout, and took a subtle shots fired at King Dotta in his kill shot remix, with the line 'You talk a lotta lotta DOOTA, you ain't got the heart, your heart's like water.', clearly to my ears he's dissing subtly to king Dotta, who even if he's a small Channel he's a rapper that beefed with these TH-cam rappers/reactors such as Scru face John, Stevie Knight, Crupt, NoLifeShaq, Grizzy Hendrix, and of course nowadays with Knox Hill and a bit with Cliff Beats. Everyone has to understand that King Dotta has strong aggressive energy and delivery, and is actually hustling and grinding out here, even if he seems to clout chase others remember everyone who's a freelancer and has to hustle has done some clout chasing themselves, has done some drama for that exposure so IMO it's WHACK to attack Dotta because of clout chasing.
I think King Dotta is really good tbh. I'm glad he's getting some eyes on him but perhaps if he was so good he could have done something without trashing others. I'm also unsure why he has so few views and subscribers as both his tracks are good. I like his beats and his word play but playing the race card is pretty low. If a white person turned around and said that (i dunno) tennis was invented by white people so only white people can play it the person would be crucified so I find it frustrating that some people are still thinking this way.
I agree with you for the most part here. He is a good rapper and the race card is not something I'm a fan of in this specific situation. As an unrelated tangent tho, I understand where the argument comes from. People who are white and whose ancestors have profited from slavery, then using that money and influence to change something created by the black community - is wrong. The original argument was that as soon as rap started to get attention, white people hopped on the train and did not do it in a respectful way to the OGs. They tried to snatch the sound, they created labels who controlled all the distribution of the music, and then they used that to still be in control. This makes sense to me and was wrong when it happened. Does it make sense in this current diss battle? Not at all! The reason why the tennis example doesn't work for me is that the black community in the US are largely lower income which also means less influence. This is starting to change recently. It's just that alot of people pull the race card just to pull it. And if you contest it, they can label you as a racist. People like this dilute real claims of racism and slow down progress. If it's justified, pull the race card. If it isn't, don't pull it. But humans will be humans so there's always going to be the few bad apples who ruin it for the many.
I haven't seen much to check out from Dotta and I honestly get the hustle of dissing someone to get your name out even though it is kind of crappy it does get you views. Honestly if he had been truly smart before he even started these diss tracks he would have had an album ready to go. He really needs to do a few regular album's first four people can hear his music before he starts attacking people of the Calibre of Ren and Knox because honestly I get that he has flows I get that he has bars but his caliber isn't near those two when it comes to wordplay. Nor does it seem he's as easy on the Mike as those two it's like at the beginning of both of them he had to warm up a bit. I told him I don't think that the music exactly fits him he should pick better beats that go with his flow better and that he should honestly work on a regular album first. It does make me wonder though if this wasn't set up in a way to help King. I mean if we look back at what happened with Mac Lethal and Tom MacDonald I just tracked us just help the person dissing first. People still watch those diss tracks and although true Mac's do not get as many views as Tom's are still plenty of people checking out Mac Lethal stuff because of them. I know that the number issues or not saying or any of that Mac Lethal was supposedly bigger than Tom yada yada yada but I can see these tracks doing something similar helping boost both Ren and Knox majorly because people will want to listen to the tracks over and over again but it also helps boost King even if only half the people watch his disses I mean he was like at what 500 before this started and honestly I had been keeping up with his numbers there for a little bit and until after Ren's diss came out King still hadn't reached 1K it was only at like 970 that after Ren's diss like within two hours he was at 1.4k.
@@xFayzebut there's a few problems with the arguments 1 Rap or hip-hop is music and although people want to say because it's rooted here it's only this people's kind of music but that's not true if it were true then back in the day when Charlie Daniels did The Devil Went Down to Georgia he would have been utterly destroyed and reamed. And if we look at it I mean truly start doing some serious research somewhere you're going to find music that sounds an awful lot like hip-hop or rap back in days before like 18 17 1600. There is an old saying that goes there is nothing new under the Sun similar to braiding hair if we really want to get technical the first dreads were warned by cavemen of all color the braids were warned by Vikings regularly how many vikings were black and came from Africa? To another big issue here when you bring up slavery is genealogy. How many people have done their lineage and absolutely know for a fact that they came from slavery? I'm sure there are some that have actual documentation and I'm sure there are some that have no documentation at all and I'm sure there's some that say they are heritage of slavery but end up being like Kamala Harris having ancestors who actually owned slaves instead? Really really really is ticking me off it is the fact that nobody want to talk about the white slaveseverybody want to say o the Irish were indentured servants they agreed to it some of them dead yes but others know they were robbed from their places of birth in Ireland and taken and sold as indentured servants to win their freedom from being a slave they didn't get a choice in whether they got sold they didn't get a choice in whether they were considered a slave or not. The Irish had just as much if not more hatred aimed in their direction in fact it was probably better to be a black slave then an Irish one because of black slave you couldn't just trade for anything you had to buy the blacks with money the Irish you could trade for tobacco there was only 6% of the slaves that were taken from Africa that were brought to America. Ireland lost so many people during the time that Britain was in control that they still haven't recovered their population numbers. I don't say this to say I want reparations or that my family were slaves my family did actually immigrate here right before the potato famine. And even if my ancestors had been stolen from their Homeland and brought here I still wouldn't be asking for reparations or saying that Irish music is only for the Irish and nobody else can use it. Nor do you hear the Irish getting upset and calling out people for appropriating their culture when it comes to St. Patricks day which is no longer what it means anymore it's now just a reason to drink it was supposed to be a Day celebrating Saint Patrick the patron saint of Ireland. We need to stop focusing on what happened in the past and let it Go because more and more people are adopting what happened to people who looked like them and assuming that everybody who looked like that was treated the same way. There were plenty of free people of color who owned slaves. And there have been plenty of people of color doing country music doing folk music and as was brought up earlier tennis basketball football (American) a lot of the things that are going on are just petty excuses to continue to hate each other and argue. It's racism by proxy. Because the racism doesn't originate in the person showing it it originates from parents grandparents and the people who helped raise them and the choice to continue to stay racist is theirs I'm not saying it's easy to break habits that have been with you your whole life but if you know that it's wrong to judge people based on color or heritage it means it's wrong in both directions if you were treated bad it doesn't give you the right to go and treat other people bad just because they made look like them or just because they may be related in some manner. That's something this world really needs to learn no one is responsible for another person's actions unless that person is only a child that is under the age of like eight. Once you know right and wrong you are responsible for your actions and nobody else's.
I also agree that Knox Hill is kind of a goat with his breakdown Channel, but iffy when it comes to making his own rap songs. In fact this whole beef generated lots of buzz and everyone thought Knox Hill's the best, but anytime you ask for a single or album Knox Did that's as fire as his disstrack, silence. Almost nobody can list you any single Knox Hill is fire at, but all they be thinking is he's fantastic when dissing Dotta. Sorry that just makes Knox Hill a one trick pony and an enigma of the times. Maybe it's his shoujo boy softie Justin Bieber voice in his rap songs that lets him down, plus copying Em's rhyme schemes and flows with little originality of his own.
Knox had a few John Wick bars in his Killshot video.. which the Michelle Show then baited Dotta saying Knox was referencing Dotta.. Knox said no, it is a John Wick bar.. but Dotta still dropped his diss.. Knox ignored him, until Ren baited Dotta for a diss (as Dotta was being a bully in the comments).. that should be the short of the long of it 😋😁)
Dotts sounds like 90% of cookie cutter rappers... that's been my biggest problem with rap "nowadays" is when they regurgitate rap like his 90s rock just to make a paycheck... He's like a cover band to DJ Screw....😈
My friend, I timestamped the video in the comments and the description, and titled each chapter, even included it in the first 40 seconds on the video! It's out now though 😀
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:00 Kingdom Come (Ren Diss)
8:16 Crown (Knox Hill Diss)
17:22 Stan Remix (Knox's Response)
23:46 Patiently Waiting Remix (Knox's 2nd Response)
29:32 My Thoughts
Man...what about Ren part.?
Ren made a diss about Dotta...
@@Fluflo83What i'm waiting for now. Ren's, 🤌
@@Fluflo83 it's out now. When I originally recorded the video, I wasn't aware that Ren posted one too. But got to it immediately after
@@xFayze yeah I wrote the comment at the beginning of your video. Then at the end i realize it all.
Big up man ,🤘i like your reaction
The sound quality was off because the agreement he made with Ren is that it would be a live one take. Wait until you see Ren's one take🤣🤣🤣Nuff said!!
he had under 800 subs before all this shit and now after Ren's response he has over 2000 subs and growing
I need to do a diss track it seems 🤣. Yea... Uh... Ren... Hi ren see me before you say hi, run. Something something can't handle this heat oh u usually make ur own beats ill give you a beat - ing. Boom I'm now 7k subs
@xFayze both of us man. Im barely hitting 4k.. i want 10k lmao 🤣
@@xFayzeI don't think that his numbers would've went up like that had Ren not finished off his diss the way he did.
@@sheenadees2701I looked a couple times during, and he only went from around 650 to 800 through Knox’s responses, then nothing until Ren dropped his.
@@Calmontheoutside the very first time that I looked at his page it was at 997 the second it was 967 then 971 first time I looked at it after Ren dropped he had already broke 2000. And from what I see he does have an outlet prepared which is what I also assumed would be the best course you have to respect the hustle just because you don't like the hustle doesn't mean the hustle doesn't help both sides how many people watch those disses😂😂😂😂 if you're any kind of rap artist you actually expect fanbases to come at you hard. Especially if you've done any Street rapping. I'm glad he has an album lined up though I wasn't sure if he had one or not.
You weren’t going to lose any listeners on that one. We stayed until the very end. You and Knox were liking it.
I appreciate you 😤
Ren didn’t take anything from Dotta. He may be talking about Ren taking his culture (rapping).
The gist of what happened with him and Ren is that Dotta (and others) was trash talking and insulting Ren on the MichelleShow during a reaction to one of Ren’s songs. Dotta was going on about how it’s not his culture etc. (played the race card). Ren seen it and confronted Dotta. After a few comments back and fourth Dotta told Ren to watch out because he’d be next on diss list, and Ren said “Round one. Ding. Ding”. So basically Ren accepted the challenge. They had another conversation later where Ren set the rules. During that convo Dotta tried to backtrack his previous comments and told Ren that he respected him as an MC.
With Knox, it was pretty much started by MichelleShow. During Knox’s “Killshot remix” reaction, there’s a few lyrics that sounded like he said “Dotta”, so MichelleShow told Dotta and got the beef going, even after Knox said that he was not referring to King Dotta because he never even heard of him before. Dotta didn’t believe him (for some reason he thinks everyone knows who he is). He claimed that because bigger reactors like NoLifeShaq knows who he is, that he must too, but from what I understand, Dotta has a habit of messaging and paying reactors to play his stuff to hype him up, and for chasing more popular rappers for clout.
Thank you so much for writing this summary. I knew someone would have the deets, I appreciate you!
That was useful backstory - thank you 🙃
Sweet, watched the disses and responses and reactions and this is the first I've seen it laid out. Thx.
@xFayze At the beginning of the Stan remix, he says "I can't breathe, Eugene." That's the Michelleshow host's name. So he's sucking off Eugene not Knox. Great reaction!! I know I'm late to this.
You did them in the right order. It's the way them came out. Knox did two drops 24hrs apart. Ren did his on Friday and I saw you reacted to that one separately so I'll go take a listen to that one too 😁. Great reactions ❤
Thank you 🙏
He's not a bad rapper and I think this was just a battle rap contest. It's not a real beef if you agree on things like, "one take".
Honestly, he didn't lay a glove on Ren. They both killed him, but in the end, this is helpful to Dotta's career, even though he got crushed.
I agree with everything you've said here 100%
Ren diss track is out if you want to react to it
It will be out tomorrow 12pm est 👀
I do agree with you on when King Dotta attacks Ren about chasing trends, and of course this is a disstrack to Ren so it's embellished, but Dotta's got a point here, as you've described Ren's earlier career as an artist he touches on many other fads and trends, he doesn't lock down on one niche but early on he broadens his marketing to touch several other genres and touch upons some other topics like politics, or emotions, and even has a strange guitar style. Like Ren's way of marketing and promoting himself is going broad, similarly to MGK at one point because MGK wasn't just a rapper but a guitarist great with singing and rock, and those skillsets tends to help also with a wider marketing strategy.
I'm not gonna lie, but if Knox rapped like this on all his music, I'd definitely be a super fan!!!
He straight bodied Dotta!
There are two Knox responses and now one from Ren. Let’s go!
I reacted to the Ren one too, out tomorrow!
Order is: Knox diss, Ren diss, Stan, Patiently Waiting and Dumb King Come
His big dog small puppy is a reference to REN’s line of being a sick puppy in Illest…
For context, there was some beef and drama between King Dotta and Ren, Knox Hill decided to join in for clout, and took a subtle shots fired at King Dotta in his kill shot remix, with the line 'You talk a lotta lotta DOOTA, you ain't got the heart, your heart's like water.', clearly to my ears he's dissing subtly to king Dotta, who even if he's a small Channel he's a rapper that beefed with these TH-cam rappers/reactors such as Scru face John, Stevie Knight, Crupt, NoLifeShaq, Grizzy Hendrix, and of course nowadays with Knox Hill and a bit with Cliff Beats. Everyone has to understand that King Dotta has strong aggressive energy and delivery, and is actually hustling and grinding out here, even if he seems to clout chase others remember everyone who's a freelancer and has to hustle has done some clout chasing themselves, has done some drama for that exposure so IMO it's WHACK to attack Dotta because of clout chasing.
FUCK THAT I WANT A COPY OF THIS REMIXED TRACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nah you did the correct order. 😅😊
Ayeeeeee!!! Thanks for the shout! 😊
No problem brother
I think King Dotta is really good tbh. I'm glad he's getting some eyes on him but perhaps if he was so good he could have done something without trashing others. I'm also unsure why he has so few views and subscribers as both his tracks are good. I like his beats and his word play but playing the race card is pretty low. If a white person turned around and said that (i dunno) tennis was invented by white people so only white people can play it the person would be crucified so I find it frustrating that some people are still thinking this way.
I agree with you for the most part here. He is a good rapper and the race card is not something I'm a fan of in this specific situation.
As an unrelated tangent tho, I understand where the argument comes from. People who are white and whose ancestors have profited from slavery, then using that money and influence to change something created by the black community - is wrong. The original argument was that as soon as rap started to get attention, white people hopped on the train and did not do it in a respectful way to the OGs. They tried to snatch the sound, they created labels who controlled all the distribution of the music, and then they used that to still be in control. This makes sense to me and was wrong when it happened. Does it make sense in this current diss battle? Not at all!
The reason why the tennis example doesn't work for me is that the black community in the US are largely lower income which also means less influence. This is starting to change recently. It's just that alot of people pull the race card just to pull it. And if you contest it, they can label you as a racist. People like this dilute real claims of racism and slow down progress. If it's justified, pull the race card. If it isn't, don't pull it. But humans will be humans so there's always going to be the few bad apples who ruin it for the many.
I haven't seen much to check out from Dotta and I honestly get the hustle of dissing someone to get your name out even though it is kind of crappy it does get you views. Honestly if he had been truly smart before he even started these diss tracks he would have had an album ready to go. He really needs to do a few regular album's first four people can hear his music before he starts attacking people of the Calibre of Ren and Knox because honestly I get that he has flows I get that he has bars but his caliber isn't near those two when it comes to wordplay. Nor does it seem he's as easy on the Mike as those two it's like at the beginning of both of them he had to warm up a bit. I told him I don't think that the music exactly fits him he should pick better beats that go with his flow better and that he should honestly work on a regular album first. It does make me wonder though if this wasn't set up in a way to help King. I mean if we look back at what happened with Mac Lethal and Tom MacDonald I just tracked us just help the person dissing first. People still watch those diss tracks and although true Mac's do not get as many views as Tom's are still plenty of people checking out Mac Lethal stuff because of them. I know that the number issues or not saying or any of that Mac Lethal was supposedly bigger than Tom yada yada yada but I can see these tracks doing something similar helping boost both Ren and Knox majorly because people will want to listen to the tracks over and over again but it also helps boost King even if only half the people watch his disses I mean he was like at what 500 before this started and honestly I had been keeping up with his numbers there for a little bit and until after Ren's diss came out King still hadn't reached 1K it was only at like 970 that after Ren's diss like within two hours he was at 1.4k.
@@xFayzebut there's a few problems with the arguments 1 Rap or hip-hop is music and although people want to say because it's rooted here it's only this people's kind of music but that's not true if it were true then back in the day when Charlie Daniels did The Devil Went Down to Georgia he would have been utterly destroyed and reamed. And if we look at it I mean truly start doing some serious research somewhere you're going to find music that sounds an awful lot like hip-hop or rap back in days before like 18 17 1600. There is an old saying that goes there is nothing new under the Sun similar to braiding hair if we really want to get technical the first dreads were warned by cavemen of all color the braids were warned by Vikings regularly how many vikings were black and came from Africa? To another big issue here when you bring up slavery is genealogy. How many people have done their lineage and absolutely know for a fact that they came from slavery? I'm sure there are some that have actual documentation and I'm sure there are some that have no documentation at all and I'm sure there's some that say they are heritage of slavery but end up being like Kamala Harris having ancestors who actually owned slaves instead? Really really really is ticking me off it is the fact that nobody want to talk about the white slaveseverybody want to say o the Irish were indentured servants they agreed to it some of them dead yes but others know they were robbed from their places of birth in Ireland and taken and sold as indentured servants to win their freedom from being a slave they didn't get a choice in whether they got sold they didn't get a choice in whether they were considered a slave or not. The Irish had just as much if not more hatred aimed in their direction in fact it was probably better to be a black slave then an Irish one because of black slave you couldn't just trade for anything you had to buy the blacks with money the Irish you could trade for tobacco there was only 6% of the slaves that were taken from Africa that were brought to America. Ireland lost so many people during the time that Britain was in control that they still haven't recovered their population numbers. I don't say this to say I want reparations or that my family were slaves my family did actually immigrate here right before the potato famine. And even if my ancestors had been stolen from their Homeland and brought here I still wouldn't be asking for reparations or saying that Irish music is only for the Irish and nobody else can use it. Nor do you hear the Irish getting upset and calling out people for appropriating their culture when it comes to St. Patricks day which is no longer what it means anymore it's now just a reason to drink it was supposed to be a Day celebrating Saint Patrick the patron saint of Ireland. We need to stop focusing on what happened in the past and let it Go because more and more people are adopting what happened to people who looked like them and assuming that everybody who looked like that was treated the same way. There were plenty of free people of color who owned slaves. And there have been plenty of people of color doing country music doing folk music and as was brought up earlier tennis basketball football (American) a lot of the things that are going on are just petty excuses to continue to hate each other and argue. It's racism by proxy. Because the racism doesn't originate in the person showing it it originates from parents grandparents and the people who helped raise them and the choice to continue to stay racist is theirs I'm not saying it's easy to break habits that have been with you your whole life but if you know that it's wrong to judge people based on color or heritage it means it's wrong in both directions if you were treated bad it doesn't give you the right to go and treat other people bad just because they made look like them or just because they may be related in some manner. That's something this world really needs to learn no one is responsible for another person's actions unless that person is only a child that is under the age of like eight. Once you know right and wrong you are responsible for your actions and nobody else's.
Fck these petty beefs. Knox has so much going on in his personal life.
Well done, as always ❤
Hehe Loved your reaction. 😂
🔥
I also agree that Knox Hill is kind of a goat with his breakdown Channel, but iffy when it comes to making his own rap songs. In fact this whole beef generated lots of buzz and everyone thought Knox Hill's the best, but anytime you ask for a single or album Knox Did that's as fire as his disstrack, silence. Almost nobody can list you any single Knox Hill is fire at, but all they be thinking is he's fantastic when dissing Dotta. Sorry that just makes Knox Hill a one trick pony and an enigma of the times. Maybe it's his shoujo boy softie Justin Bieber voice in his rap songs that lets him down, plus copying Em's rhyme schemes and flows with little originality of his own.
Knox had a few John Wick bars in his Killshot video.. which the Michelle Show then baited Dotta saying Knox was referencing Dotta.. Knox said no, it is a John Wick bar.. but Dotta still dropped his diss.. Knox ignored him, until Ren baited Dotta for a diss (as Dotta was being a bully in the comments).. that should be the short of the long of it 😋😁)
No that’s the right order
Dotts sounds like 90% of cookie cutter rappers... that's been my biggest problem with rap "nowadays" is when they regurgitate rap like his 90s rock just to make a paycheck...
He's like a cover band to DJ Screw....😈
I waited 30 mins and didn't get Ren's response?? I left a like but that's just not right...
My friend, I timestamped the video in the comments and the description, and titled each chapter, even included it in the first 40 seconds on the video! It's out now though 😀