A couple of other factors worth noting that was too 'deep' for this intentionally-simplified video... Physical factors: 1. Low(er) curvature of the wall 2. Suitable stiffness of the wall 3. Sufficient gap between the tires and the wall 4. Shape of the body Tactical factors: 1. Large speed differential between straight and turn 2. Short straights 3. Low banking 4. Sufficiently clear traffic
I think it was more like "WAAATCH THIS! I agree. Coming from shifter carts where we pull 4-5 g's on every corner and use a flack jacket to keep from breaking our ribs that was a huge g forge in the 5 - 6 area easily and could have had a 10G shock at the very end. where it looked like the wall tightens up a little and the tires lit up. He might have won if the 9 was not in hos way. Good analysis though
@@fladave99 Yeah by my math, he was near 6G's when he entered the corner. That's crazy. On another note, do you have any preventative measures for bruising around the spine in karts?
@@LastTenth Sure, SLOW DOWN! Seriously, its about the seat and g force. You may want to try to keep the kart in smooth areas or set up suspension to lessen chatter in corners if yours does that. . They do make seats with high sidewalls or look around and see what type of flak jacket everyone is wearing. . I cracked my ribs twice WITH a flak jacket so dont feel bad. I have even had bruising in my Porsche so its normal.
@@fladave99 Slowdown? Never... but yeah you're right, I tend to be a bit loose in the seat. I think that's what's doing it. I thought my jacket would alleviate it but it did not.
@@LastTenth Love your channel. You should definatly have a rib protector jacket or you can easily crack or break a rib which can result in a punctured rib and sideline you for months. Ask around at the track and get the best one you can find. I will probably also fill the gap in your seat so in the long rin you wont have to buy a new seat.
I watched it live. It was maybe the greatest (meaning most entertaining) lap in NASCAR history! The move was legal and brilliant. It won't be legal next year, but probably will be on Sunday. I'll be watching for sure.
As drivers: We don't break the rules, we make the rules... Good on NASCAR for not banning it immediately, because the move in itself was legal by the book... But garunteed, it wont be next year...
Average speed in the turns at Martinsville are roughly 60mph while Chastain’s speed sensor read 130mph halfway through the turn before it stopped working lol
This is one of those moves that leaves everyone in every former race since the beginning of NASCAR, wondering why the heck they didn't think of this. As others have said, now that this particular genie is out of the lamp, it'll be banned as quickly as is possible. To be sure, in this instance, the parts carnage was totally worth the outcome. It's *expensive* to do this, so....
Sorry but you’re missing a very important factor. The wall (by design) is flexible and has some “give” to it. One of the keys to Ross’s move was staying close to wall all the way down the back stretch, narrowing the angle of contact when the wall ride began. Had he started lower he would have shot up at too harsh of an angle and the barrier would have given into the weight, creating an indent the car would have gotten stuck in. Had he started the wall ride earlier, he would have risked not being able to turn the wheel, limiting the effectiveness and he still had to turn slightly…none of it was planned..just luck and courage
Yes you are correct. There are many other factors that I was addressing on the comments as you posted this. Take a look and let me know if I have missed anything.
Fun fact, for those who don't know, this move works on iRacing, but it's not legal. It's a move that I would always do in practice or test sessions just for fun and something that many people have always complained about because "it's not realistic." Including myself. Turns out, we were wrong lol.
@@billyrayvalentine7972 The crazy thing about Keselowski/Edwards drama is that you can choose which one was more dangerous (Carl being thrown into the stands at Talladega, Edwards turning Keselovski and flipping him over in Atlanta or Edwards spinning Keselovski in the middle of the pack in Gateway)
@@pedrooliveiraoliveirasimoe5478 Carl came down on Kes at Talladega. That was on Carl. He obviously didn't mean to flip Brad at Atlanta, just spin him, but it ended up being extremely dangerous based on the way the roll cage got crushed. Wrecking Brad at Gateway was a total chickenshit move.
I've been a Nascar fan for 25 years and I've never seen a move like this. I also don't want it banned. If Nascar wants to fix this problem without adding a new rule the answer is simple. Have a different transmission package at the short tracks ( Martinsville) that doesn't have a 5th gear. The only reason he went that fast and gained that much time was because he had a 5th gear option (Next Gen). Take that away and I don't see him gaining the spots he did. Thus while it'll still be legal drivers won't try it
@@LastTenth Yes, Nascar sets limits to the transmission great ratios. It's possible for them to set a gear ratio that limits speed below what Ross did.
-Going over 100mph -Says it was a blurr -Small turn Definitely took a couple G's of force during that maneuver lol what a legend. I'm surprised he didn't lift off the throttle at all
We pull 5 g's in our shifter carts and without a flak jacket it will break your ribs to say nothing of not being able to hold any air in your lungs. That g load must have surprised him cause you cant breath, barely see and may have cracked a few ribs.
well ross said himself his head was jolted after that, i think those was the words he used. yea this wont be common. the cost outwieghts the gain and this is the only reason to do this.
It won’t work every where, and who knows if Chastain just got lucky. I don’t think it will be a regular thing. A couple drivers might try it and if they fail then the move will slowly fade away. Also Bold moves like this are generally the type that creates new rules or rule modifications to prevent or limit this. Tracks like Dover, Bristol, Darlington, and Super Speedways where you are constantly pushing this limit what do you do there. I don’t think you can completely ban this move but maybe limit the time or distance a car can be on the wall.
@@LastTenth I just think that certain track like Darlington where your pushing that boundary it’s going to be hard to distinguish what’s intentional and what’s not in some cases and it then becomes a judgment call.
It will be made illegal. As cool as it is, it's simply too dangerous, for all the drivers, to remain legal. In fact, they should probably change the rule now to save other drivers' lives, which means you necessarily have to disqualify Chastain. He was lucky it worked. If you angle into the wall too much, you'll ricochet back out into the raceway, into the other cars. That happens on accident a lot, but if this move remains legal, people will intentionally try it, which will increase the level of danger on the last lap.
i can see why they wouldnt want it legal. there would be the possibility of too much debris on the track that could cause accidents or premature failure of tires. there is also the issue of the damage to the car, which can be mitigated if you design some sort of roller to take the corner. but i feel like if that happens, then nascar is going to turn into wall riding simulator and they will just be wall riding every corner..... so probly best to ban it. it was cool, but if its not on a final lap, could be problematic.
@@LastTenth That is the funniest thing I ever saw. NASCAR will jump in and find a way to BORE it up If the 9 didnt get in his way he might have won the race and should get a trophy for passing the most cars in a turn
Dude legit took pinball to the nascar playoffs Unfortunately I think nascar should get rid of this next year for safety. God forbid something comes off the car or wall and gets through the fence (I know it should never happen but Nascar isn’t leaving any risk of decapitating a fan)
Unlikely unless I'm missing something. Ride height will change the track width which may help/hurt wall riding, but I doubt it's at play in general. Maybe someone else will have a better answer...
I don't either (or any racing really 😳), but from what I understand, he needed 2 positions to qualify for the title race, or something on those lines. Experts please chime in...
He was in a fight with Denny Hamlin over the fourth spot in the Championship 4, and Denny being fourth while Ross being tenth, with the previous race results, would put Chastain out because he needed to at least overtake 2 more cars in order to make up enough points to remain in the top 4. Chastain owned what is called the “tie-breaker” over Hamlin, as he finished in second place more than Hamlin had done, whilst they had the same number of wins. So what he needed was to just grab 2 more points in the total to send him through to the final four. Come the final lap and Hamlin had made up more than 3 places in the last 10 laps, while Chastain hadn’t been able to close the gap (Points for Hamlin being 4134, and points for Chastain being 4132). Come the final turn, he had nothing to lose, so why the hell not try it. Since it worked, he finished fifth (fourth when Brad Keselowski was disqualified for the car not meeting minimum weight requirements) but most importantly ahead of Hamlin, meaning no matter what would have happened (other than himself being disqualified, i guess), Chastain definitely had at least the same points as Hamlin, and so he went through.
It's not legal, but the track stewards were that in shock at what they were seeing their brains didn't have time to process it being it only took 4 seconds and it not be successfully done prior. Obviously the yellow flags should have been up because a car was crashing and as anyone knows you can't overtake on a yellow. This wasn't a rule or driver issue it was a complete track stewards issue. Lots of buthurt people won't like that, but that's how it is. If they want to cry at anyone it's not NAZCAR they need to complain to it's the stewards.
They can't really penalize Ross for doing it this time, because there is currently no rule against it. But I would be surprised if they allowed it to happen again. I see a lot of potential safety concerns that Nascar probably doesn't want to be responsible for. They'll probably implement some sort of rule about entering a corner without making any attempt to slow down or control your speed. I don't see how they could make a rule against hitting the wall since that's not always in the drivers control. And they have to make allowance for brake failure, stuck throttle, getting shoved by another car, etc. But Nascar could argue that intentionally turning your car into an uncontrolled missile is a safety hazard to other drivers, safety crew, and potentially fans in the grandstands if debris flies over the fence. May not be a problem at Martinsville, but could be if a driver tried this at a higher speed track.
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A couple of other factors worth noting that was too 'deep' for this intentionally-simplified video...
Physical factors:
1. Low(er) curvature of the wall
2. Suitable stiffness of the wall
3. Sufficient gap between the tires and the wall
4. Shape of the body
Tactical factors:
1. Large speed differential between straight and turn
2. Short straights
3. Low banking
4. Sufficiently clear traffic
I think it was more like "WAAATCH THIS!
I agree. Coming from shifter carts where we pull 4-5 g's on every corner and use a flack jacket to keep from breaking our ribs that was a huge g forge in the 5 - 6 area easily and could have had a 10G shock at the very end. where it looked like the wall tightens up a little and the tires lit up. He might have won if the 9 was not in hos way. Good analysis though
@@fladave99 Yeah by my math, he was near 6G's when he entered the corner. That's crazy. On another note, do you have any preventative measures for bruising around the spine in karts?
@@LastTenth Sure, SLOW DOWN! Seriously, its about the seat and g force. You may want to try to keep the kart in smooth areas or set up suspension to lessen chatter in corners if yours does that. . They do make seats with high sidewalls or look around and see what type of flak jacket everyone is wearing. . I cracked my ribs twice WITH a flak jacket so dont feel bad. I have even had bruising in my Porsche so its normal.
@@fladave99 Slowdown? Never... but yeah you're right, I tend to be a bit loose in the seat. I think that's what's doing it. I thought my jacket would alleviate it but it did not.
@@LastTenth Love your channel. You should definatly have a rib protector jacket or you can easily crack or break a rib which can result in a punctured rib and sideline you for months. Ask around at the track and get the best one you can find. I will probably also fill the gap in your seat so in the long rin you wont have to buy a new seat.
I watched it live. It was maybe the greatest (meaning most entertaining) lap in NASCAR history! The move was legal and brilliant. It won't be legal next year, but probably will be on Sunday. I'll be watching for sure.
As drivers: We don't break the rules, we make the rules... Good on NASCAR for not banning it immediately, because the move in itself was legal by the book... But garunteed, it wont be next year...
I think they officially commented on the legality of it and in the near future.
Nah the final laps at the coke 600 this year were cooler
Average speed in the turns at Martinsville are roughly 60mph while Chastain’s speed sensor read 130mph halfway through the turn before it stopped working lol
😱
This is one of those moves that leaves everyone in every former race since the beginning of NASCAR, wondering why the heck they didn't think of this. As others have said, now that this particular genie is out of the lamp, it'll be banned as quickly as is possible. To be sure, in this instance, the parts carnage was totally worth the outcome. It's *expensive* to do this, so....
It's been tried before, just that it's never worked.
Because older cars are a lot softer. Try in beamNG drive the car change shape and slow down too much.
Sorry but you’re missing a very important factor. The wall (by design) is flexible and has some “give” to it. One of the keys to Ross’s move was staying close to wall all the way down the back stretch, narrowing the angle of contact when the wall ride began. Had he started lower he would have shot up at too harsh of an angle and the barrier would have given into the weight, creating an indent the car would have gotten stuck in. Had he started the wall ride earlier, he would have risked not being able to turn the wheel, limiting the effectiveness and he still had to turn slightly…none of it was planned..just luck and courage
Yes you are correct. There are many other factors that I was addressing on the comments as you posted this. Take a look and let me know if I have missed anything.
I heard that he pulled at least 5 G's with that move.
By my math, I think he was very close to 6G's at entry.
Fun fact, for those who don't know, this move works on iRacing, but it's not legal. It's a move that I would always do in practice or test sessions just for fun and something that many people have always complained about because "it's not realistic." Including myself. Turns out, we were wrong lol.
Two thoughts
1) Gutsiest move I’ve ever seen.
2) Most dangerous thing I’ve ever witnessed on a track.
Definitely not the most dangerous move. Keslowski/Edwards was probably one of the most dangerous.
@@billyrayvalentine7972 The crazy thing about Keselowski/Edwards drama is that you can choose which one was more dangerous (Carl being thrown into the stands at Talladega, Edwards turning Keselovski and flipping him over in Atlanta or Edwards spinning Keselovski in the middle of the pack in Gateway)
@@pedrooliveiraoliveirasimoe5478 Carl came down on Kes at Talladega. That was on Carl. He obviously didn't mean to flip Brad at Atlanta, just spin him, but it ended up being extremely dangerous based on the way the roll cage got crushed. Wrecking Brad at Gateway was a total chickenshit move.
I guess you can say Gran Turismo truely is the Real Driving Simulator
Which Gran Turismo? I know most of them have every wall as a magical spring to it. Once you hit the wall, the car just bounce out of it
On gt7 theres a nissan showdown mission on the tokyo expressway in which wallriding will get you a way better time than doing it legit
I've been a Nascar fan for 25 years and I've never seen a move like this. I also don't want it banned.
If Nascar wants to fix this problem without adding a new rule the answer is simple. Have a different transmission package at the short tracks ( Martinsville) that doesn't have a 5th gear. The only reason he went that fast and gained that much time was because he had a 5th gear option (Next Gen). Take that away and I don't see him gaining the spots he did. Thus while it'll still be legal drivers won't try it
That's interesting. Is it common for them to stipulate different transmission specs at different events?
@@LastTenth Yes, Nascar sets limits to the transmission great ratios. It's possible for them to set a gear ratio that limits speed below what Ross did.
@@keeganbrown9967 Good to know. Thanks!
Put roller skates on the doors and let everyone do it. I LOVED the draft train and stopped watching when they banned that.
-Going over 100mph
-Says it was a blurr
-Small turn
Definitely took a couple G's of force during that maneuver lol what a legend. I'm surprised he didn't lift off the throttle at all
We pull 5 g's in our shifter carts and without a flak jacket it will break your ribs to say nothing of not being able to hold any air in your lungs. That g load must have surprised him cause you cant breath, barely see and may have cracked a few ribs.
He was entering the corner in the vicinity of 6G's by my math.
well ross said himself his head was jolted after that, i think those was the words he used. yea this wont be common. the cost outwieghts the gain and this is the only reason to do this.
It won’t work every where, and who knows if Chastain just got lucky. I don’t think it will be a regular thing. A couple drivers might try it and if they fail then the move will slowly fade away. Also Bold moves like this are generally the type that creates new rules or rule modifications to prevent or limit this. Tracks like Dover, Bristol, Darlington, and Super Speedways where you are constantly pushing this limit what do you do there. I don’t think you can completely ban this move but maybe limit the time or distance a car can be on the wall.
Luck is definitely a factor, as are many things like the curvature of the wall etc.
Why don’t you think they can completely ban it?
@@LastTenth I just think that certain track like Darlington where your pushing that boundary it’s going to be hard to distinguish what’s intentional and what’s not in some cases and it then becomes a judgment call.
Is it because of the banking and viability of the outside lane ? (NASCAR noob here)
It will be made illegal. As cool as it is, it's simply too dangerous, for all the drivers, to remain legal. In fact, they should probably change the rule now to save other drivers' lives, which means you necessarily have to disqualify Chastain. He was lucky it worked. If you angle into the wall too much, you'll ricochet back out into the raceway, into the other cars. That happens on accident a lot, but if this move remains legal, people will intentionally try it, which will increase the level of danger on the last lap.
It was amazing
i can see why they wouldnt want it legal. there would be the possibility of too much debris on the track that could cause accidents or premature failure of tires. there is also the issue of the damage to the car, which can be mitigated if you design some sort of roller to take the corner. but i feel like if that happens, then nascar is going to turn into wall riding simulator and they will just be wall riding every corner..... so probly best to ban it. it was cool, but if its not on a final lap, could be problematic.
Roller skates on the doors
you mean this? facebook.com/nascarsmostwantedmemes/posts/532209682245840/
@@LastTenth That is the funniest thing I ever saw. NASCAR will jump in and find a way to BORE it up
If the 9 didnt get in his way he might have won the race and should get a trophy for passing the most cars in a turn
Carl Edwards tried it first
As a Hamlin fan, I have a love hate relationship with this move
Found a link showing his telemetry: twitter.com/NASCARONFOX/status/1587449059568074752?s=20&t=PasU2zh26aK4U2Av-3NV7w
Like initial d but with wall
Dude legit took pinball to the nascar playoffs
Unfortunately I think nascar should get rid of this next year for safety. God forbid something comes off the car or wall and gets through the fence (I know it should never happen but Nascar isn’t leaving any risk of decapitating a fan)
Does low suspension come into play
Unlikely unless I'm missing something. Ride height will change the track width which may help/hurt wall riding, but I doubt it's at play in general.
Maybe someone else will have a better answer...
I don't follow nascar, so my question is: Why he did that? Did he won? Or just to get 5 places?
I don't either (or any racing really 😳), but from what I understand, he needed 2 positions to qualify for the title race, or something on those lines. Experts please chime in...
5 places is probably $250K so it was worth it
He was in a fight with Denny Hamlin over the fourth spot in the Championship 4, and Denny being fourth while Ross being tenth, with the previous race results, would put Chastain out because he needed to at least overtake 2 more cars in order to make up enough points to remain in the top 4. Chastain owned what is called the “tie-breaker” over Hamlin, as he finished in second place more than Hamlin had done, whilst they had the same number of wins. So what he needed was to just grab 2 more points in the total to send him through to the final four. Come the final lap and Hamlin had made up more than 3 places in the last 10 laps, while Chastain hadn’t been able to close the gap (Points for Hamlin being 4134, and points for Chastain being 4132). Come the final turn, he had nothing to lose, so why the hell not try it. Since it worked, he finished fifth (fourth when Brad Keselowski was disqualified for the car not meeting minimum weight requirements) but most importantly ahead of Hamlin, meaning no matter what would have happened (other than himself being disqualified, i guess), Chastain definitely had at least the same points as Hamlin, and so he went through.
@@Jb.3910 Thanks for the context. Very helpful for a NASCAR noob like me.
UNBELIEVABLE
Just like the fastest pinewood derby cars. Steer them into the center rail and watch them go
Its just slingshot
Of course it's legal. No reason for it to be illegal
Thats how I race at K-! kart racing. Noisy but effective. Just flat out
It's not legal, but the track stewards were that in shock at what they were seeing their brains didn't have time to process it being it only took 4 seconds and it not be successfully done prior.
Obviously the yellow flags should have been up because a car was crashing and as anyone knows you can't overtake on a yellow.
This wasn't a rule or driver issue it was a complete track stewards issue.
Lots of buthurt people won't like that, but that's how it is.
If they want to cry at anyone it's not NAZCAR they need to complain to it's the stewards.
They can’t let this be legal. But was cool to see chastain pull this off. One of the most amazing moves I’ve ever seen.
They may probably have to do something about the ruling in the future. On the flip side, this is great TV.
They can't really penalize Ross for doing it this time, because there is currently no rule against it. But I would be surprised if they allowed it to happen again. I see a lot of potential safety concerns that Nascar probably doesn't want to be responsible for.
They'll probably implement some sort of rule about entering a corner without making any attempt to slow down or control your speed. I don't see how they could make a rule against hitting the wall since that's not always in the drivers control. And they have to make allowance for brake failure, stuck throttle, getting shoved by another car, etc.
But Nascar could argue that intentionally turning your car into an uncontrolled missile is a safety hazard to other drivers, safety crew, and potentially fans in the grandstands if debris flies over the fence. May not be a problem at Martinsville, but could be if a driver tried this at a higher speed track.
I love how he has to give an explanation to how it works because nascar fans have the average intelligence of a 7 year old.
It should be illegal since it requires 0 skill!!!!!!
It isnt