@@prska experience cause Arthur has more than john. Sure john lived for 39 and Arthur lived for 36 years but. Arthur has seen robots, time travelers etc. Also john has gaps in his life. 1899 to 1907 and 1907 to 1911
@@ardacankzc2349 john can also see robots and time travellers depending on whom you play the side missions as, john also saw a supernatural being such as the strange man in rdr1 john doesn't have "gaps" in his life, he still lived and fought in those years, arthur experienced most of the events of his life with the gang, the gang that john was a part of as well, so yeah, experience still goes to john
@@prska also all side events in rdr2 are all canon for Arthur. İf you think they re meant for john you are Simply saying, Example: hamish who can get activated in 1899 waited for john 8 years
Arthur vs John: (1911) Streght: Arthur Durability: Arthur Agility: John Speed: John Iq: Arthur Battle iq: Arthur Skill: Arthur Experience: John Feats: John Weapons: John Reflex: John Hax: Arthur Ap: Arthur Endurance: Arthur Quick draw: Arthur Arthur wins: hight-extreme diff
@@gergonyiri8757 Anything H2H related goes to Arthur easily. He's both a brawler and technical fighter (is able to do counter attacks, use the environment to his advantage, he also is able to do enough AP/DC to cause brain damage) while John is a lightweight slugger, which just does not match... TL;DR: Arthur wins in fist fight, John wins in gunfight. Legendary gunslinger missions are easily debunkable too. But anything related to guns (Dueling, Gunfighting) goes to John. Both in cutscenes and gameplay, he draws faster than Arthur. He was also able to shoot 3 people without them noticing until it was too late, and that was before Landon Ricketts training. Arthur however, is only able to shoot up to 3-4 people with deadeye in gameplay. Another proof of why John is better at gunfighting is the fact that he was able to shoot 2 people before getting the army treatment. However, the army was already pointing their gun, while John still had it in his holster. John also intentionally lost, as he knew his family would get hunted down if he survived. Those last shots were more for the player than for John. The legendary gunslinger missions are also not good proof, as stranger missions can be easily debunked to be non-canon. Midnight and Black Belle also said that Jim Boy Calloway is all talk, but how? He has the fastest draw in the game. Which brings me to a probable theory. You know how Deadeye can slow down time, but that Arthur/John actually doesn't, and its just a perspective? This brings me to the point where Calloway blinding Arthur by using his buckle actually interferes with Arthur's perception, giving the illusion that Calloway is faster than he actually is. Same reason why John couldn't initially use Deadeye against Micah. Micah was simply too fast, and in John's perspective, he was just slow. In my opinion: Strength: Arthur (Was able to fight off a grizzly bear with a knife, give Tommy brain damage and was known as the muscle of the group) Speed: = (Only counting Reaction Speed and Combat speed, John gets Reaction Speed and Arthur gets Combat speed. John gets Combat Speed if its a gunfight though.) Durability: John (Survived getting shot with 21 bullets for a solid 30 seconds) Skill: John (Landon Ricketts training) IQ: = (Both good in their own ways, as Arthur is a charismatic person, and John was able to track down the gang members fairly easily.) BIQ: John (Same reason for skill) Stamina: John (Self explanatory, inf stamina.) Endurance: John (Got shot off a train, rolled down a hill, went back to the gang. Durability feats also count.) Experience: John (Self Explanatory) Combat: Arthur (Has better H2H combat) Weapons: John (1911>1899) Hax: = (Both are basically superhumans) Abilities: = (Both are superhumans) Agility: John (Is able to roll) Accuracy: Arthur (Debatable, but Arthur has more experience in sharpshooting.) Draw speed, but not including deadeye since deadeye slows down time based on fps: John (Self explanatory, just play RDR1) H2H = Arthur Low-Mid diff. Only reason its not no diff is due to John's endurance and durability. Gunfight = John High diff. More overall feats. Duel = John High-Extreme diff. Very close.
damn man, that's a stretch, arthur still takes durability, ap, power, abilities, arguably battle iq and stamina against rdr1 john as well overall rdr1 john extreme diffs
I would say Lifting strength to both, but Physical strength goes to Arthur. Arthur seems to have done some serious brain damage to Tommy in a fight literally in the first mission in the new town.
Arthur Morgan vs 1911 John Marston
Fistfight : Arthur
Gunfight : Marston
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John marston (1912) vs Arthur Morgan (1900)
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1908 micah>both
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I say durabilty goes to arthur and endurace to john 1911
My opinion, Arthur wins in chapter one to Arthur chapter 4 but John in chapter 2 to John in rdr1 will win against Arthur in chapter 5 and chapter 6
People seem to forget arthur was literal sniper but john wins duel arthur long range (like rifle / repeater) and fist fight
nah, john wins with rifles easier than he does with handuns actually
Engraçado como o John realmente evoluiu com o tempo
bro one of the most accurate comparision i have seen W edit!
Appreciate that
@@PixelSlice Np bro!
In last battle they are equal
Nope Johns better in 1911 don't start up the BS saying Arthur is better
W edit and prob the closest to my take I’ve ever seen
Stamina, Durabilty, experience, reflex to Arthur
durability yes, experience no
@@prska experience cause Arthur has more than john. Sure john lived for 39 and Arthur lived for 36 years but. Arthur has seen robots, time travelers etc. Also john has gaps in his life. 1899 to 1907 and 1907 to 1911
@@ardacankzc2349 john can also see robots and time travellers depending on whom you play the side missions as, john also saw a supernatural being such as the strange man in rdr1
john doesn't have "gaps" in his life, he still lived and fought in those years, arthur experienced most of the events of his life with the gang, the gang that john was a part of as well, so yeah, experience still goes to john
@@prska john didnt fought between 1899 to 1907 like Arthur did. He was retired you can say.
@@prska also all side events in rdr2 are all canon for Arthur. İf you think they re meant for john you are Simply saying, Example: hamish who can get activated in 1899 waited for john 8 years
Arthur vs John: (1911)
Streght: Arthur
Durability: Arthur
Agility: John
Speed: John
Iq: Arthur
Battle iq: Arthur
Skill: Arthur
Experience: John
Feats: John
Weapons: John
Reflex: John
Hax: Arthur
Ap: Arthur
Endurance: Arthur
Quick draw: Arthur
Arthur wins: hight-extreme diff
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Quick draw=john 1911
John marston negs fodder morgan
@@lukinhaszebr5163 ok, but Arthur wins extreme diff and I forgot the combat, it goes to Arthur
@@lukinhaszebr5163john marston fandogs 😂😂 shut hell up
@@gergonyiri8757 Anything H2H related goes to Arthur easily. He's both a brawler and technical fighter (is able to do counter attacks, use the environment to his advantage, he also is able to do enough AP/DC to cause brain damage) while John is a lightweight slugger, which just does not match...
TL;DR: Arthur wins in fist fight, John wins in gunfight. Legendary gunslinger missions are easily debunkable too.
But anything related to guns (Dueling, Gunfighting) goes to John. Both in cutscenes and gameplay, he draws faster than Arthur. He was also able to shoot 3 people without them noticing until it was too late, and that was before Landon Ricketts training. Arthur however, is only able to shoot up to 3-4 people with deadeye in gameplay. Another proof of why John is better at gunfighting is the fact that he was able to shoot 2 people before getting the army treatment. However, the army was already pointing their gun, while John still had it in his holster. John also intentionally lost, as he knew his family would get hunted down if he survived. Those last shots were more for the player than for John.
The legendary gunslinger missions are also not good proof, as stranger missions can be easily debunked to be non-canon. Midnight and Black Belle also said that Jim Boy Calloway is all talk, but how? He has the fastest draw in the game.
Which brings me to a probable theory. You know how Deadeye can slow down time, but that Arthur/John actually doesn't, and its just a perspective? This brings me to the point where Calloway blinding Arthur by using his buckle actually interferes with Arthur's perception, giving the illusion that Calloway is faster than he actually is. Same reason why John couldn't initially use Deadeye against Micah. Micah was simply too fast, and in John's perspective, he was just slow.
In my opinion:
Strength: Arthur (Was able to fight off a grizzly bear with a knife, give Tommy brain damage and was known as the muscle of the group)
Speed: = (Only counting Reaction Speed and Combat speed, John gets Reaction Speed and Arthur gets Combat speed. John gets Combat Speed if its a gunfight though.)
Durability: John (Survived getting shot with 21 bullets for a solid 30 seconds)
Skill: John (Landon Ricketts training)
IQ: = (Both good in their own ways, as Arthur is a charismatic person, and John was able to track down the gang members fairly easily.)
BIQ: John (Same reason for skill)
Stamina: John (Self explanatory, inf stamina.)
Endurance: John (Got shot off a train, rolled down a hill, went back to the gang. Durability feats also count.)
Experience: John (Self Explanatory)
Combat: Arthur (Has better H2H combat)
Weapons: John (1911>1899)
Hax: = (Both are basically superhumans)
Abilities: = (Both are superhumans)
Agility: John (Is able to roll)
Accuracy: Arthur (Debatable, but Arthur has more experience in sharpshooting.)
Draw speed, but not including deadeye since deadeye slows down time based on fps: John (Self explanatory, just play RDR1)
H2H = Arthur Low-Mid diff. Only reason its not no diff is due to John's endurance and durability.
Gunfight = John High diff. More overall feats.
Duel = John High-Extreme diff. Very close.
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damn man, that's a stretch, arthur still takes durability, ap, power, abilities, arguably battle iq and stamina against rdr1 john as well
overall rdr1 john extreme diffs
@@prska Durability and Battle Iq to John without question, I agree that stamina might go to Arthur
@@Miraak59 endurance goes to john, but durability goes to arthur, battle iq is very debatable tho
@@prska endurance is honestly more debatable than Durability and Battle iq because those two categories go to John imo
John (1907) takes strength and combat
I would say Lifting strength to both, but Physical strength goes to Arthur. Arthur seems to have done some serious brain damage to Tommy in a fight literally in the first mission in the new town.
@@soapmactavish938 That would be striking strenght
Nah arthur is the strongest only charles is stronger
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