The first Don was the more honest Don in a way, something to hide and mostly would only talk about his work that he was passionate about. The second Don was the full embodiment of the mask that he wears… he didn’t holster up his guns quite like he said and they didn’t have two floors. The second is not letting the truth get in a way of a good story.
I would say he did holster up his guns. From the moment that he learned they were being bought by McCann, he did everything he could think of to get out of it. The order of events is not how he described it (in fact it happened in Don's office, not Lane's) but it was all his idea.
@AndreasZimmerman He does take risks, but mostly self-destructive ones. If anything, the end segment shows how a man will change his story to fit the circumstances. At the start of the episode, he felt his work would do the talking. At the end, he realized he had to adopt the persona of a salesman - and act like he has always behaved that way.
tubekxb I agree. I also think that he is not talking about himself because he's in a habit, even with those closest to him, of not saying much about his past. Talking to someone from the press was always going to be risky. By the end of the episode, he has to let rip, which could be construed as a kind of self-destructive move, given that he doesn't want to draw attention to himself. Talking to the press is also self-preservation, given his line of work.
tubekxb All risks have the potential to be self-destructive. That's why they are called risks. Thinking like that leads to not taking any. Besides, he barely changed the story. It is essentially what happened, but without all the time they spend thinking about that - so skipping all the things every storyteller skips, because they are boring and unnecessary. At this point, the Mad Men fanbase is like a little girl that has fallen in love but then was rejected. It has either a hard-on on criticizing every single thing Don did or acting like he was a holy and ideal man. Both approaches are equally foolish.
True but, I didn't trust that first interviewer; kinda had "competition-spy" persona/demeanor about him. Kinda surprised wasn't written for Don to pick up same vibe on this guy....or, at least be more wary. Same can't be said of second interviewer, unless of course, he's a dynamite con man in disguise.
But this is the perfect way to round off an episode... it shows that the episode has amounted to something, and in the classic Mad Men way of development with a lot thought and realism.
Yeah, I know other versions of Tobacco Road (Jefferson Airplane, Burdon & War, Spooky Tooth) but I discovered all of them after I discovered Don Draper. Anyways, This song always made me think of Don, I envision Don as the protagonist of the story Tobacco Road puts into my head....
Also The Nashville Teens were one of many british groups that were heavily influenced by American Blues, most notably from Chess Records. However John D. Loudermilk did the "Original".
Being from the 60-70’s sales/marketing era myself I have found MadMen not only entertaining, but rather almost a documentary of how business transpired. Those still in diapers during this period or perhaps not even born, think you understand Don, but you don’t even have a clue. Your comments are most revealing and entertaining. ROFLMBO
Mad Men was always made with newer generations in mind. There are lots of people out there who feel like Don. Acting like a different person every day because the world wouldn't accept them for who they truly are. Just because the world moved on, doesn't mean people have.
Note what it says about our society and about its interpretation of Mad Men/Draper (not a negative observation; to the contrary, one I wholeheartedly admire) that the second scene in the video can be found on TH-cam by itself under the title, "Don Draper is a Badass."
Like the first scene, of the first episode...these men are called "mad men", and they are ones who coined the phrase. They didn't just control their narrative, they controlled their own nickname. Nicknaming is a human behavior where you make something your's by giving it a new name--or you belittle it by doing the same.
The most kick ass moment of the show, and there’s no jet fighter or explosion, just consequences in the post that you can’t wait to see come. Delicious.
@@ronoccc Keep in mind it was a "Cover" Version originally done by John Loudermilk in 1960. Alot of British Artists covered alot of obscure Blues Songs back in the day.
@@ronocccYes! In The UK Boy Bands/Girl Groups cover a lot of American Songs especially in R & B. Take that covered "Could This Be Magic" originally done by Barry Manilow then Donna Summer (RIP). Steps covered Everybody Dance & Chain Reaction done by Chic and Diana Ross. Ironically Nile Rogers & Bernard Edwards worked with Diana on I'm Coming Out & The Boss. Take That also covered "It Only Takes A Minute" by The Tavares and Girls Aloud covered See The Day by DC Lee who was an Original Member of Wham before Pepsi came in the Group. Also a Singer named Kavanaugh aka "Kav" covered Shalamar's "A Night To Remember"
Not everyone seems to get that he wasn't being a douche here, he had considered it logically and was basically doing it as a way to stand out as a salespitch for their firm. He's just doing an ad / his job.
The thing that annoys me about the second scene is that, it's at the end of an episode, so you'd think Don would in the next few episodes become a risk taker, just to show some interesting character development. But in actual fact, nothing changes...
+andrew7taylor That psychologist is talking out of his or her ass. Yes people hardly change in their lives, but to say you're already "you" at eight years old is bullshit. A lot can still change from that point.
@@WhoopsieDayZ Theoretically a lot can change. But in practice? When you go to a school anniversary, do the people you haven't met for 5 years act, talk and behave the same way as back then or do they change up irrecognisably? People grow up, find jobs, start a family, but unless something extraordinary happens, their core personalities don't change. People stay being hard-working/lazy, happy/depressive, charismatic/lonesome, etc. whether they are 10 or 50 years old. That's all you + how you were brought up. That's why child-rearing is an incredibly important responsibility.
I don't understand who dislikes something like this. You actively have to seek and watch a clip from a well known tv show so you know what to expect. Why dislike it when its less effort not to watch it. In this situation a dislike achieves nothing, much like this comment.
Your comment did achieve something. It caused me to think about human behaviour, my behaviour, & how at times I waste emotion on things that I do not care about. It gave me pause, & reflection.Your insight is spot on.
+MikeJones1989 i) Have a skinny tie. ii) Tie it high up, where the blade (fat end) strongly tapers towards the narrower end. iii) Use a four in hand knot. iv) It also helps if the tie is of a thinner material.
Well he's probably had a few drinks he's more relaxed for the second interview also Sterling scolded him about the first article because he failed at self promotion and promotions are his business his self esteem was also suffering a little as Betty just filed for divorce and scolded him about lying to her for years. Depends how the reporter wants to convey him also arrogant or confident? The commercial he was complimented about was largely Peggys idea also that he accepts credit for because it was that sort of era.
@@Magido89 yes, Roger tells hims taht first interview was lame and he needs to spice it up so he scheduled this second interview. In first scene it is Dick Whitman in the second - Donald Draper.
Shorthand. Very few people of Don's caliber would know it today. People speak an average of 120-150 wpm, a good shorthand person can easily match that.
Damn, I am intrigued. For a moment I thought the guy was writing some shitty ひ's and は's mixed with some strange ancient alchemic magic shit. Damn. Now I totally understand what it's like not being able to read. Holy shit.
The 2nd seems cooler, more concise and a better salesman. The 1st however makes me think deeper about the show and what it's trying to tell us about what it is, it's letting us use our imagination more. It kinda reminds me of that transition from season 1-3 into 4-7 and how it "modernised" itself
Don Draper is story himself, a man with a stolen identity. When people seek to probe deeper, his instinct is to parry for fear of giving away too much. The first interviewer was smart, disarming, incisive and it worried Don. Once the fallout from that poor interview reached back to the firm, he took a different approach and set up his own interview- one where he was ready to dictate the terms of the narrative.
There's never been a show on TV of which I just love to sit and watch people talk
What about AMC's Mad Man?
*Men
@@p0rqIs this a joke
The dialogue in this show is so so good
The first Don was the more honest Don in a way, something to hide and mostly would only talk about his work that he was passionate about. The second Don was the full embodiment of the mask that he wears… he didn’t holster up his guns quite like he said and they didn’t have two floors. The second is not letting the truth get in a way of a good story.
I would say he did holster up his guns. From the moment that he learned they were being bought by McCann, he did everything he could think of to get out of it. The order of events is not how he described it (in fact it happened in Don's office, not Lane's) but it was all his idea.
“I could die of boredom or holster up my guns” 💥
So I walk into Lane Price's office and say... Fire us.
Hadrov Pryce's
That is not how it went..
@@rogelioarmentasolorzano3848 So? It sounds better. Plus, the end result is the same.
so i walked into Lane Price office, or tried to anyway, his hanging dead body was in the way......
Hang in there Lane
@AndreasZimmerman
He does take risks, but mostly self-destructive ones. If anything, the end segment shows how a man will change his story to fit the circumstances. At the start of the episode, he felt his work would do the talking. At the end, he realized he had to adopt the persona of a salesman - and act like he has always behaved that way.
tubekxb I agree.
I also think that he is not talking about himself because he's in a habit,
even with those closest to him,
of not saying much about his past.
Talking to someone from the press was always going to be risky.
By the end of the episode,
he has to let rip,
which could be construed as a kind of self-destructive move,
given that he doesn't want to draw attention to himself.
Talking to the press is also self-preservation,
given his line of work.
tubekxb Well, advertising does equal selling.
tubekxb
All risks have the potential to be self-destructive. That's why they are called risks. Thinking like that leads to not taking any.
Besides, he barely changed the story. It is essentially what happened, but without all the time they spend thinking about that - so skipping all the things every storyteller skips, because they are boring and unnecessary.
At this point, the Mad Men fanbase is like a little girl that has fallen in love but then was rejected. It has either a hard-on on criticizing every single thing Don did or acting like he was a holy and ideal man. Both approaches are equally foolish.
True but, I didn't trust that first interviewer; kinda had "competition-spy" persona/demeanor about him.
Kinda surprised wasn't written for Don to pick up same vibe on this guy....or, at least be more wary.
Same can't be said of second interviewer, unless of course, he's a dynamite con man in disguise.
But this is the perfect way to round off an episode... it shows that the episode has amounted to something, and in the classic Mad Men way of development with a lot thought and realism.
Don got hungry.
"I'm tired of this piddly shit. I don't want dunlop, I want Firestone. I don't want Mohawk Airlines, I want American."
The first verse of Tobacco Road fits Don very well indeed.
Jason Lefler, you are so right on! Yet Don gout out of his Tobacco Road.
Yeah, I know other versions of Tobacco Road (Jefferson Airplane, Burdon & War, Spooky Tooth) but I discovered all of them after I discovered Don Draper. Anyways, This song always made me think of Don, I envision Don as the protagonist of the story Tobacco Road puts into my head....
Also The Nashville Teens were one of many british groups that were heavily influenced by American Blues, most notably from Chess Records. However John D. Loudermilk did the "Original".
It's amazing that Don could talk to this Reporter and although he said was the "truth" a large part of his life was based on a "Lie".
Being from the 60-70’s sales/marketing era myself I have found MadMen not only entertaining, but rather almost a documentary of how business transpired. Those still in diapers during this period or perhaps not even born, think you understand Don, but you don’t even have a clue. Your comments are most revealing and entertaining. ROFLMBO
Robert Sparkes that sounds dope. Do you have any interesting stories you can share?
Mad Men was always made with newer generations in mind. There are lots of people out there who feel like Don. Acting like a different person every day because the world wouldn't accept them for who they truly are. Just because the world moved on, doesn't mean people have.
Boomer in the area
calm down, gramps.
@@338684q cheer up soy boy
Note what it says about our society and about its interpretation of Mad Men/Draper (not a negative observation; to the contrary, one I wholeheartedly admire) that the second scene in the video can be found on TH-cam by itself under the title, "Don Draper is a Badass."
@@mackinner answering a 10 year old comment is also a cool move
Like the first scene, of the first episode...these men are called "mad men", and they are ones who coined the phrase.
They didn't just control their narrative, they controlled their own nickname. Nicknaming is a human behavior where you make something your's by giving it a new name--or you belittle it by doing the same.
It was also called Mad Men because of (Mad) ison Avenue, where their offices were
The most kick ass moment of the show, and there’s no jet fighter or explosion, just consequences in the post that you can’t wait to see come. Delicious.
One of the best music cues in tv history
love the first line. "who is Donald draper?" and just like that don is back in Korea
Tobacco Road-The Nashville Teens-1964
thanks!
@@ronoccc Keep in mind it was a "Cover" Version originally done by John Loudermilk in 1960. Alot of British Artists covered alot of obscure Blues Songs back in the day.
@@laminage indeed. like the animals and house of the rising sun
@@ronocccYes! In The UK Boy Bands/Girl Groups cover a lot of American Songs especially in R & B. Take that covered "Could This Be Magic" originally done by Barry Manilow then Donna Summer (RIP). Steps covered Everybody Dance & Chain Reaction done by Chic and Diana Ross. Ironically Nile Rogers & Bernard Edwards worked with Diana on I'm Coming Out & The Boss. Take That also covered "It Only Takes A Minute" by The Tavares and Girls Aloud covered See The Day by DC Lee who was an Original Member of Wham before Pepsi came in the Group. Also a Singer named Kavanaugh aka "Kav" covered Shalamar's "A Night To Remember"
thank you
Not everyone seems to get that he wasn't being a douche here, he had considered it logically and was basically doing it as a way to stand out as a salespitch for their firm. He's just doing an ad / his job.
Perfect execution.
The thing that annoys me about the second scene is that, it's at the end of an episode, so you'd think Don would in the next few episodes become a risk taker, just to show some interesting character development. But in actual fact, nothing changes...
Of course he doesn't. People don't change; psychologist say that at 8 years old, a child's personality is pretty much set for life.
andrew7taylor Well I think Don changed quite much during the series. He finally accepted himself in the end.
coca-cola stills coca-cola, no matter how different an add is, he was selling.
+andrew7taylor That psychologist is talking out of his or her ass. Yes people hardly change in their lives, but to say you're already "you" at eight years old is bullshit. A lot can still change from that point.
@@WhoopsieDayZ Theoretically a lot can change. But in practice?
When you go to a school anniversary, do the people you haven't met for 5 years act, talk and behave the same way as back then or do they change up irrecognisably?
People grow up, find jobs, start a family, but unless something extraordinary happens, their core personalities don't change.
People stay being hard-working/lazy, happy/depressive, charismatic/lonesome, etc. whether they are 10 or 50 years old. That's all you + how you were brought up. That's why child-rearing is an incredibly important responsibility.
These MM clips kind of make me want to be an advertising creative director and kind of make me think I'd be really good at it...
I don't understand who dislikes something like this. You actively have to seek and watch a clip from a well known tv show so you know what to expect. Why dislike it when its less effort not to watch it. In this situation a dislike achieves nothing, much like this comment.
Your comment did achieve something. It caused me to think about human behaviour, my behaviour, & how at times I waste emotion on things that I do not care about. It gave me pause, & reflection.Your insight is spot on.
what is he writing "shorthand?" It looks like it is.
yeah, it is. My mom used to write shorthand as a secretary.
Was a dying art years ago....is it dead now?
Very pertinent when it comes to storytelling, they actually only have one floor of the Time Life building, not two.
In that business the parlance is known as " puffing ".
Draper is such an inspiring man.
At 0:29, such a small tie knot, how?
MikeJones1989 slim tie. four in hand.
+MikeJones1989
i) Have a skinny tie.
ii) Tie it high up, where the blade (fat end) strongly tapers towards the narrower end.
iii) Use a four in hand knot.
iv) It also helps if the tie is of a thinner material.
nobody knows!
Smaller ties back then. Skinnier.
practice
I wish i was donald draper in that exact moment in history
First glance I thought the 2nd reporter was Brian Geraghty of Big Sky and Briarpatch. But imdb says not
This should be taught in high schools.
Well he's probably had a few drinks he's more relaxed for the second interview also Sterling scolded him about the first article because he failed at self promotion and promotions are his business his self esteem was also suffering a little as Betty just filed for divorce and scolded him about lying to her for years. Depends how the reporter wants to convey him also arrogant or confident? The commercial he was complimented about was largely Peggys idea also that he accepts credit for because it was that sort of era.
@AndreasZimmerman as cool as this scene is, thats is so true
The nashville teens- tobacco road
The premise of the second question is by definition incorrect.
Who is Don Draper?
moist pancakes
Dick Whitman's alter ego
The best part of the American dream...scaling the heights, and raking in the spoils, while having fun!
PR 101: You don't sell the steak . . . you sell the sizzle.
Didnt recognize a word not even a letter from the notebook
What season?
0:16 What is that guy writing?
Shorthand
In the 2nd scenario wasn’t he admonished for not telling a story so he came up with that?
Why did he say they had two floors in the time life building? They got the second floor at a much later point in the series
That doesn't make as good of a story. That's the whole point. If you're Don, you bend the truth to tell the best story you can.
@@joeszczepaniak7691 so you mean it was a purposeful lie by Don to tell a better story? Lol i thought it was a mistake by the writers
@@Magido89 yes, Roger tells hims taht first interview was lame and he needs to spice it up so he scheduled this second interview. In first scene it is Dick Whitman in the second - Donald Draper.
what is the writing?
What's the name of the song?
Sandstorm by Darude
The nashville teens- tobacco road
0:16 what is he writing?
As time goes on, I can feel my evil laugh coming along quite nicely.
hey, are you able to make this embeddable? id like to use this in my online article? or did youtube prevent embeddability? thanks.
Which episodes are these?
Gim Iu they’re both from season 4 ep 1, public relationships
I'd love to watch this show again. If only January Jones' role wa omitted. It'd be better.
Don couldn't tell a story without cigarettes.
Like a boss
0:15 What the hell is he writing???
TWT114 shorthand?
Shorthand. Very few people of Don's caliber would know it today. People speak an average of 120-150 wpm, a good shorthand person can easily match that.
Damn, I am intrigued. For a moment I thought the guy was writing some shitty ひ's and は's mixed with some strange ancient alchemic magic shit. Damn. Now I totally understand what it's like not being able to read. Holy shit.
he's on that ancient alien artifact tyme
Its Gregg shorthand. My mom always wrote ot when she wanted to keep things secret. Secretary for many years in advertising.
Which Don do you guys like the most? 1st or 2nd?
The 2nd seems cooler, more concise and a better salesman. The 1st however makes me think deeper about the show and what it's trying to tell us about what it is, it's letting us use our imagination more. It kinda reminds me of that transition from season 1-3 into 4-7 and how it "modernised" itself
@@lucardsplace man great answer !
Bored? Try afraid! It never comes into these stories...
thought so, thanks anyway.
Not very credible that a man who works in advertising doesn't know the importance of storytelling and promoting oneself. Great acting though
Don Draper is story himself, a man with a stolen identity. When people seek to probe deeper, his instinct is to parry for fear of giving away too much. The first interviewer was smart, disarming, incisive and it worried Don. Once the fallout from that poor interview reached back to the firm, he took a different approach and set up his own interview- one where he was ready to dictate the terms of the narrative.
Alibata?
Unfortunately, TH-cam has disabled embedding for this video.
Torben Bernhard TH-cam makes that decision?
Nigga
This is how you handle any journalist/fake news/ANYTHING that comes at you from so-called journalism.
so meta
Can anyone tell me what those symbols are on the reporter’s notepad please?
Those are 'shorthand' symbols. It's a writing style that's fast so you can take down dictation on the fly.
@@FuburLuck I thought shorthand was like words without vowels not an actual style of writing! Thanks for that!