Yo blunt! It's Kona! Just something I figured out a while ago, the archers have the same range as normal marksman heroes (4x3) and mages have the same range as standard hero mages (3x3 with the one 4 tile in the middle). So they'll always attack based on those standard tiles. Just make the imaginary grid in your head and it'll never steer you wrong!
@@BluntgutsGaming huh. look at that. and it shows the same too. weird, just the way the mechanics have worked and the way our heroes worked, it just always seemed to work out that way so I was pretty sure that's what it was. This is why I'm not a CC! 😂😂
Haha all good man. One thing to note - the epic archers have a skill that gives them +1 range so their range is actually 1 tile further than the details tab shows
I already see my defense. Ghan bottom, Ardea Bottom Left, Archer/Mage Bottom and Bottom left, Carnelian bottom left. Star Piercers, Lili top pointed down, Aracha Bottom Left, Carnelian Bottom Left, Hex or Lucius Bottom left, Ghan Bottom.
@BluntgutsGaming I obviously want Valderon, but I held off to try for Praetus next weekend since I'm close to pity and didn't want to risk Ymiret busting my lord pity. I'm really happy Ghan was the one I got first since I prefer his lord bonus.
@@Kamyen316 based on this test you can see the archers have longer range than the mages. You can view the range of the demon soldiers in the "Details" tab in the demon soldier menu, the ranged ones actually have 360 degree attack ranges, more similar in shape to a Lust-shaped attack range. The epic archers have a passive that extends the range by 1, but which is why they can hit from further out than the Book Keepers.
@@ron_jak I figured it would be, especially with Anora. Saw your summon vid, very clutch pull at the end! I have 3 soulstones rn that I'm gonna be hard pressed to not dump into Ymiret if I don't pull Praetus next weekend.
the scourge can be meta now due to that narrow space... but did you notice that regardless of tier/ rarity.. some shards drop often others don't.. like for example scourge shards, farming a few would drop some scourge shards while those assassin shards very hard to come by -_-
Yeah, I'm similar to Bluntguts, though not as far along. Scourges are level 5 (and still my only level 5 epic, now at 141/320 progress), while all of the other original epics are level 4. Don't think I've had any drops of the new ones yet, and Necros are at level 3 (40/80), Shadowcasters at level 2, 25/40 (IIRC those two were added a bit later than the rest, but Murklings which were added at the same time are level 4 and 58/160, so those seem to be among the more common drops, too). And I almost surely have done far fewer runs of GR1 than 2 or 3.
Is it me or does the layout look almost impossible to have a good defense. I know it’s early so ppl will come up with metas but I feel like what is going to work will be so limited.
Dude are your Archers properly affiliated here? They're only hitting Lugaru for 9k damage per hit. Seems VERY weak. Even being affiliated with a reasonably moderate 95K BP hero the Archers have 16,481 ATK. Its incredibly unlikely you've built Lugaru for any DEF at all, so that means your Archers have an ATK of about 11k to 12K, which I suspect means the affiliated champ has very low BP like 80,000.
@@ulxtmx5018 It's my alt forerunner account, and it's low affiliation(~75-80k iirc). I can't speak to the Lugaru build (it's someone else's Lugaru) but the competition is similarly weak. The point of the video is to establish range though, not damage. You can see the book keepers nearly one shot that same Lugaru.
@@BluntgutsGaming My point is more that the spot is actually unusable by a fighter built for damage - they can be easily sniped by just 8 cost using Archers. Both ground layouts are actually terrible for different reasons. Very very unhappy with this new map
@@ulxtmx5018 Yeah you could be right. I think that spot is only going to be viable for fighters with some kind of unyielding in their kit. Even if archers don't work book keepers and exploding bugs 100% do
god tier gvg content thx
No worries man, thanks for watching!!
Always look forward to your GvG content Guts! Top notch as always
@@jogo808 Thanks man!!! ❤️ Appreciate you watching
This is good stuff, appreciate it!!
@@bukktoof No problem man!
Yo blunt! It's Kona! Just something I figured out a while ago, the archers have the same range as normal marksman heroes (4x3) and mages have the same range as standard hero mages (3x3 with the one 4 tile in the middle). So they'll always attack based on those standard tiles. Just make the imaginary grid in your head and it'll never steer you wrong!
Hey man! They've actually both got 360 degree ranges. You can see their ranges if you look at the "Details" tab in the demon soldier menu
@@BluntgutsGaming huh. look at that. and it shows the same too. weird, just the way the mechanics have worked and the way our heroes worked, it just always seemed to work out that way so I was pretty sure that's what it was. This is why I'm not a CC! 😂😂
Haha all good man. One thing to note - the epic archers have a skill that gives them +1 range so their range is actually 1 tile further than the details tab shows
Nice video!
Thanks man! I hope it's helpful
Range & priority for legendary fliers would be good to know as well :)
Yes. Would love to see this as well
I'd love to, unfortunately I don't have lightning guards on my forerunner 😭, I'll farm for them and if I get lucky I'll do a follow up
@@BluntgutsGaming thanks for ur effort man! If its too much trouble, no need to bother
I already see my defense. Ghan bottom, Ardea Bottom Left, Archer/Mage Bottom and Bottom left, Carnelian bottom left.
Star Piercers, Lili top pointed down, Aracha Bottom Left, Carnelian Bottom Left, Hex or Lucius Bottom left, Ghan Bottom.
Sounds beastly! I want a chaos lord sooooo bad
@BluntgutsGaming I obviously want Valderon, but I held off to try for Praetus next weekend since I'm close to pity and didn't want to risk Ymiret busting my lord pity. I'm really happy Ghan was the one I got first since I prefer his lord bonus.
Yeah no doubt, they're both great - it's better bonus on Ghan vs better hero in Vald
Just remember the archer has a range of a piercer (3 X 3 tiles) and mage is a regular mage style hit as khamet, anora, aeon etc
@@Kamyen316 based on this test you can see the archers have longer range than the mages. You can view the range of the demon soldiers in the "Details" tab in the demon soldier menu, the ranged ones actually have 360 degree attack ranges, more similar in shape to a Lust-shaped attack range. The epic archers have a passive that extends the range by 1, but which is why they can hit from further out than the Book Keepers.
Hope anora and ymir will be usefull
I think they're going to be quite good together based on my testing so far!
ymiret ♥
My current WoR crush 🥰
his a3 is filthy for gvg
@@ron_jak I figured it would be, especially with Anora. Saw your summon vid, very clutch pull at the end! I have 3 soulstones rn that I'm gonna be hard pressed to not dump into Ymiret if I don't pull Praetus next weekend.
the scourge can be meta now due to that narrow space... but did you notice that regardless of tier/ rarity.. some shards drop often others don't.. like for example scourge shards, farming a few would drop some scourge shards while those assassin shards very hard to come by -_-
@@ejdgslvdr yeah no doubt, I think my scourge are lvl 7 but my shadowcasters are only lvl 3!
Yeah, I'm similar to Bluntguts, though not as far along. Scourges are level 5 (and still my only level 5 epic, now at 141/320 progress), while all of the other original epics are level 4. Don't think I've had any drops of the new ones yet, and Necros are at level 3 (40/80), Shadowcasters at level 2, 25/40 (IIRC those two were added a bit later than the rest, but Murklings which were added at the same time are level 4 and 58/160, so those seem to be among the more common drops, too). And I almost surely have done far fewer runs of GR1 than 2 or 3.
Is it me or does the layout look almost impossible to have a good defense. I know it’s early so ppl will come up with metas but I feel like what is going to work will be so limited.
Nah I think your right. I think the best defenses will be on that bottom lane where you can take advantage of ranged fighters
Dude are your Archers properly affiliated here? They're only hitting Lugaru for 9k damage per hit. Seems VERY weak. Even being affiliated with a reasonably moderate 95K BP hero the Archers have 16,481 ATK. Its incredibly unlikely you've built Lugaru for any DEF at all, so that means your Archers have an ATK of about 11k to 12K, which I suspect means the affiliated champ has very low BP like 80,000.
@@ulxtmx5018 It's my alt forerunner account, and it's low affiliation(~75-80k iirc). I can't speak to the Lugaru build (it's someone else's Lugaru) but the competition is similarly weak. The point of the video is to establish range though, not damage. You can see the book keepers nearly one shot that same Lugaru.
@@BluntgutsGaming My point is more that the spot is actually unusable by a fighter built for damage - they can be easily sniped by just 8 cost using Archers. Both ground layouts are actually terrible for different reasons. Very very unhappy with this new map
@@ulxtmx5018 Yeah you could be right. I think that spot is only going to be viable for fighters with some kind of unyielding in their kit. Even if archers don't work book keepers and exploding bugs 100% do