I like how you relate Anima/Animus to another person fulfilling the masculine/feminine role opposite of one's own gender. As opposed to oneself necessarily becoming that.
i think this is why i so much enjoy your videos, I'm ENFj, so Ti suggestive really enjoys these easy simple explanations that just make sense, helps my Ti on the way :D
Great video. I read on wikisocion that the suggestive function is a source of energy since it aids the leading function. Provides the person with a sense if psychological stability. Not something that drains your energy as is commonly described as being.
in the jungian world if the anima animus takes over its a sewere crisis if the soul. An example is this professor in the movie the „blue angel“ where a Thinking type gets overwelmed by its unconscious und not developed feeling side. Its probably happening bc he was very one dimensional in his thinking and didnt develope the feeling side at all. He falls madly in love with an external representation of the feeling function, a show girl, and makes a fool of himself, because hes not st all a grown up in this area and behaves random and silly, like mad all of a sudden. This is nothing that happens in everyone‘s life usually or repeatedly. the book is by Heinrich Mann and called Professor Unrat. Also Marie Louise von Franz in her Lectures book describes how crucial the suggestive function is in older age as a gateway to transcendence. Older people should find a way to engage to it in a limited way somehow but regularly. She shows examples. The psyche needs to engage in this area or the one sidedness will cause negative effects. So being younger ist not relevant but being older you need to yourself engage and a partner whos having it lead helps to infect you positively and start small projects.
Based on my own theories that the female INTP and ENTP have very large shadow animus just like conversely the male INFJ and ENFJ have a very large shadow anima.
Thanks for anothet great explanation, Jack! One thing I can't understand though, why is suggestive function taking (or should take) the lead in the block and not the mobilizing. Shouldn't the stronger of the two, 2-D function take the lead? Same question with the ignoring and demo. Also curious why do you think it's ENTJ who would confuse themselves with ENTP, and not the other way around. Is it to do with not valued Ti?
the demanding function (each odd numbered function) serves to set the need, is is not necessarily stronger as a function. For both the suggestive and ignoring they are both demanding functions, but less prominent than the functions they are paired with.
@@WorldSocionics Oh, wait, so if you are a judger, all your demanding functions will be judging and vice versa. Is that what basically makes you a judger or perceiver?
I like how you are using Beebe's model as a second witness to prove certain things Socionics has already observed in intertype relations. 2 independent witnesses are stronger than one to the outside world that is skeptical of typology as a whole.
Honestly, with some of my thoughts and the metaphor used of the impressionable child and the Suggestive Function. It seems like it is more Vulnerable (in the literal sense) compared to the actual Vulnerable Function/PoLR function. It seems more painful to have something you value but with seemingly little to no access to and have no filter to protect yourself from negative experiences with it. Have you observed something similar to this? Where the Suggestive Function is open to both positive and negative expressions of said IME?
Jack I have a question. As an INTP (LII) I have considered being "in the grip" as happening to me when I loose a relationship. My Fe balls its eyes out. And my Ti logical self gets sabotaged by emotional thinking. Would you agree with that? Or is it actually my Fi role sabotaging my Ti thinking? As in Socionics Fi is relational. Its a thing that happens. Just not sure the exact cognitive process.
LIIs fear being social outcasts, where everyone hates them. If an individual relationship fails, they can take that as evidence that no one will ever like or accept them into the collective. They see the individual relationship as a gateway to that collective acceptance though, rather than necessarily valuable in and of itself.
@@WorldSocionics That is for sure. One big reason I know I'm an LII - INTP is because I definately value Fe 4/4 D. I even value Fe over my Ti if truth be known.
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I like how you relate Anima/Animus to another person fulfilling the masculine/feminine role opposite of one's own gender. As opposed to oneself necessarily becoming that.
i think this is why i so much enjoy your videos, I'm ENFj, so Ti suggestive really enjoys these easy simple explanations that just make sense, helps my Ti on the way :D
Great video.
I read on wikisocion that the suggestive function is a source of energy since it aids the leading function. Provides the person with a sense if psychological stability.
Not something that drains your energy as is commonly described as being.
Maybe when received from someone else.
very true
in the jungian world if the anima animus takes over its a sewere crisis if the soul.
An example is this professor in the movie the „blue angel“ where a Thinking type gets overwelmed by its unconscious und not developed feeling side.
Its probably happening bc he was very one dimensional in his thinking and didnt develope the feeling side at all. He falls madly in love with an external representation of the feeling function, a show girl, and makes a fool of himself, because hes not st all a grown up in this area and behaves random and silly, like mad all of a sudden.
This is nothing that happens in everyone‘s life usually
or repeatedly. the book is by Heinrich Mann and called Professor Unrat.
Also Marie Louise von Franz in her Lectures book describes how crucial the suggestive function is in older age as a gateway to transcendence. Older people should find a way to engage to it in a limited way somehow but regularly. She shows examples.
The psyche needs to engage in this area or the one sidedness will cause negative effects.
So being younger ist not relevant but being older you need to yourself engage and a partner whos having it lead helps to infect you positively and start small projects.
Based on my own theories that the female INTP and ENTP have very large shadow animus just like conversely the male INFJ and ENFJ have a very large shadow anima.
I’m a male INFJ, I’d say I have a large shadow anima
Thanks for anothet great explanation, Jack! One thing I can't understand though, why is suggestive function taking (or should take) the lead in the block and not the mobilizing. Shouldn't the stronger of the two, 2-D function take the lead? Same question with the ignoring and demo. Also curious why do you think it's ENTJ who would confuse themselves with ENTP, and not the other way around. Is it to do with not valued Ti?
the demanding function (each odd numbered function) serves to set the need, is is not necessarily stronger as a function. For both the suggestive and ignoring they are both demanding functions, but less prominent than the functions they are paired with.
@@WorldSocionics Oh, wait, so if you are a judger, all your demanding functions will be judging and vice versa. Is that what basically makes you a judger or perceiver?
@@alinacamomile Correct!
I like how you are using Beebe's model as a second witness to prove certain things Socionics has already observed in intertype relations. 2 independent witnesses are stronger than one to the outside world that is skeptical of typology as a whole.
Is it really Beebe's model if completely re-ordered?
@@thecoroshow no.
Honestly, with some of my thoughts and the metaphor used of the impressionable child and the Suggestive Function. It seems like it is more Vulnerable (in the literal sense) compared to the actual Vulnerable Function/PoLR function.
It seems more painful to have something you value but with seemingly little to no access to and have no filter to protect yourself from negative experiences with it.
Have you observed something similar to this? Where the Suggestive Function is open to both positive and negative expressions of said IME?
Yes!
Jack I have a question. As an INTP (LII) I have considered being "in the grip" as happening to me when I loose a relationship. My Fe balls its eyes out. And my Ti logical self gets sabotaged by emotional thinking.
Would you agree with that? Or is it actually my Fi role sabotaging my Ti thinking?
As in Socionics Fi is relational. Its a thing that happens. Just not sure the exact cognitive process.
LIIs fear being social outcasts, where everyone hates them. If an individual relationship fails, they can take that as evidence that no one will ever like or accept them into the collective. They see the individual relationship as a gateway to that collective acceptance though, rather than necessarily valuable in and of itself.
@@WorldSocionics That is for sure. One big reason I know I'm an LII - INTP is because I definately value Fe 4/4 D.
I even value Fe over my Ti if truth be known.