JEEP DEATH WOBBLE FIX **Before and after trackbar replacement**
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- After about 6 years of random wobbles here and there, I finally have EVERYTHING replaced on the front end. Looking back, this should have been the very first thing I did.
RE1660 track bar
RE1665 track bar bracket (frame side)
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Some of the best video I have seen showing the actual movement between parts. Thank you for covering this so well.
Dude! Solid camera angles man! Good video.
I love how this dude is first explaining death wobble like he's telling his wife he has herpes or something. Haha. Good video
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I thought he was going into Death Wobble Anonymous or something. Agreed. Good video.
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great video, very helpful in understanding the problem and how the installation fixes it.
"EVEN IF I SPIT ON IT" lmao!!!!!!
Just saw this great job in explaining and showing the whole thing doin mine this week.
Dude, amazing video - thanks for making this!
Glad I can help!
great video and repair ! well done
Excellent video of wobble!
Really good video man
Thanks bro
The Trackbar and Drag link should be parallel to each other. They should be at the same angle in relation to the axle as well as the chassis. This allows the axle to articulate evenly at both the pitman arm and the chassis mount of the Trackbar. Another often overlooked consideration when lifting a Jeep. Measure the height from the ground of both the Drag link and Trackbar bolt at the axle and then at the pitman arm and chassis mount of the Trackbar. The difference between the two pairs of measurements should be the same for correct Drag link and Trackbar alignment. A misaligned combination will cause bump steer and put undue stress on the bushings leading to premature wear allowing the Death Wobble to return.
@humantribe if they are not aligned, how do you align them? pitman arm drop?
are you sure its the same with this vehicle?
Awesome video brother!! I've never given a thought about track bar til now. Yes mine makes the very same popping noise as in your video. Thx for a great video man.
Did u fix it?
@@mastery200 yes and then sold the jeep lol.
Robert Brockwell my track bar is bent can I still adjust it?
Until I get a new one?
@@mastery200 depends on how bad its bent bud.
Great video, thanks man
I had the same JCR one ton steering setup on my ZJ and had death wobble because of it. I put the factory style steering linkage back on and didn't have death wobble ever again.
My freind great video nice set up i have an question can you tell me about you other bars steering bar what brend and part numbers i would like to change in my tj
Imagine that! A car manufacturer actually improving the engineering of a failed part design.
My passenger side bottom spring braket was rudty. and replaced that snd thst fixed iit. Hade weld new one on. missing bump stop
Whoever installed that track bar(the first one) didn't make sure the end joint was lined up strait, when you offroad it put forces on the upper track bar end since it was binding from not being set right
Ordering mine today. Broke my track bar right in half. Wasn't doing anything crazy. But I just snapped no death wobble before. Weird.
I’m deff going to be trying this. I ended up buying the teraflex HD tierod and draglink which helped a bit but didn’t change the track bar. I hope this solves my issue, great camera angles and explanation. No return of the death wobble since?
+Tali Cedeno it is well worth it. I’m about 3k miles in with ZERO issues. Give it a try and let me know how it works out for you.
Brave man, working on a jeep in a white shirt.
I don't even own white shirts for this reason.
Really good video explaining this pain in the ass. Thank you.
I have replaced everything on my JK once I moved up to 37's still get DW every once in awhile. Seems to happen in the winter time it doesn't get that cold here AZ. I installed entirely new lift on it my old one was 7 years old. Seems if I inflate the tires to max tire pressure helps winter time they go down. It only happens on street driving around 45mph if I'm on the highway at 70 I don't get it. I do have a steering gear brace the one that braces the sector shaft I probably also need that one you have braces the housing. I tell people don't go over 35" on a JK unless your willing to spend lot of money do it right. Maybe the JL is better to lift on 37s to do it right really need D60 and long arms. At that point if you need that much jeep just buy some crawler someone already spent ton of dough on has a V8 in it. I won't build one of these again reality a RZR is the way to go downside is eat dust on trails here in AZ behind someone.
I know exactly what you mean. Seems to be the Jeep life right? Interesting that PSI will change it. Maybe you have some DW tires ha ha. Enjoy the ride if you’re able. Maybe the gladiator is what we all need.
Hello
Can you give your opinion on the quality of RE1660, RE1665 and 1670 bars?
Reliable product?
Quality product?
Thank you.
(Salut.
Pouvez vous le donner votre avis sur la qualité des barre RE1660, RE1665 et 1670?
Produit fiable?
Produit de qualité?
Merci.)
NEW here, ha---I just bought a 2005 ford 1500, long story short it was a 78 bed but now owner before me made bed longer--now i know what yr saying--frame is messed up but not it, i measured from the axle to a frame mount on the front of frame-both sides and its dead nuts, Also it drives straight down the road--it dont dog walk on you--its straight so i assume all is good with frame job,, NOW my problem is this--going around 50-70 mph truck is ok -little vibration but not bad--but when i go slow--15-to 30 mph i hit bump or pot hole my seat vibrate -doors vibrate---again its as soon as front wheels hit the bump or hole--I took to place for inspection--he said struts and 1 wheel barring--but still have this very bad left to right wobble,, DID the guy over look something at inspection as all they do is check for normal stuff-ball joints-shocks and etc,PLEASE help--why this truck wobbles bad at slow speed that my seats vibrate---txs for any infor..
Dodge ram diesel trucks have it too! Scarey shit! Aint it! Lol! I think ur right about the track bar. Shitty tires causes it too.
this video helps alot my jeep has it too trying to figure out the cause thanks!!
Let me know how it turns out!
Is this a Wrangler JK?
Weird his drag link & track bar aren't parallel
You said you used a GoPro but how did you mount the camera? I have some wobble in my Wrangler and haven't found anything obvious. Would love to mount my GoPro the same way you did. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
I think it was the handlebar mount that I mounted to the swaybar. It’s been a while, but I think that was the best option that I could trust to be mounted that way.
What brand track bar is this ?
How many turns do u set yours at. And whats the best the best advice to dial it at
+Ric Hernandez mine is bottomed out because I’m at 4.5”. This is made for 4.5” and up. The idea is to make your track bar and your drag link parallel.
My name is alpha and i got dead-wabblo. It all started when i did a diff swap. And can't get rid off it. That is why I'm here I need help.
Where did you source the bar/bracket from? I'd like to find a similar set for my 2001 TJ
+KurtSelf they’re rubicon express. From amazon actually.
Nice 👍
I have a ram 99 2500 ,I have owned rams for a long time, never experienced death w, rams are awesome trucks but Damm why would they put a ball joint kind of on something that has to be firm as possible, I can't understand it, I know this a jeep but same set up
Gracias a este video pude entender y reparar mi jk thanks nice video
Where did you mount your camera? I'd like to try this to diagnose where my DW is coming from; I replaced my front and rear track bar, all 4 front control arms and my tie rods, inspected the hubs and ball joints, had the tires balanced and the wheels aligned, and it persists. Maybe if I can see what's going on when it actually happens, I'll be able to sort it out.
This was mounted to the drag link with the gopro handlebar mount pointed at the track bar. I would verify all your connecting points. Just because things are new doesn’t mean the old holes aren’t bored out or have loose mounts. I’m sure a camera down there will help you figure it all out. 👍🏼
Jamdeeper I appreciate the quick reply!- I'll definitely check the mounting points again- I know I've been specifically keeping an eye out for play at the lower track bar mount; that one seems notorious for wallowing.
Good luck man! It’s always a rat race chasing it down. Hopefully the view from the bottom will help find the cause.
How did you do the video? Go pro? I wish mechanics would make use of this. I have an expedition suspension issue for years, and I have wondered if the suspension could be filmed. Awesome.
Ya GoPro did the trick. It’s nice to see what’s really going on under there. 👍🏼
@@thebak4d many thanks for your post and response!
Is this track bar a 1600 Rubicon expresss? I couldn’t find the 1660 on Amazon but I did find on other sites. Is there a difference? I’m guessing the 1660 I’d for a lifted wrangler
I think the 1600 is the heim joint one for 2.5-4.5” lift. The 1660 requires the upper bracket and is for 4.5-6” lift.
thanks bro...any issues with the 2010 model? was it upgraded? also what was your brand on that amazon bar?
cheers
+Jake Lebon 2010 of what? I have no clue on the brand of the bar. It was the $50 one on amazon ha I’m a cheapo
I was thinking of doing the same thing I got a wobble when I change lanes and a steering stabilizer
The track bar will help. Also note other joints in control arms. Those need done too. I’m still riding without a stabilizer. Honestly don’t need it if everything else is all set right. Keep us posted 🤘🏼
It has a 4 inch lift. There’s a lot of clicking and popping noises whoever put it in. I’m not sure if they compensated for the lift. It looks like they did most of it.
@robertware8643 sounds about right. Tie rod ends and steering box will pop. Also the track bar will for sure pop if it’s loose or the holes are wobbled out. I have someone at the wheel and you lay in front and watch as they turn the wheel back and forth and watch for everything moving. Those are the dead spots.
Take another close look at those lovely rubber sway stabilizer bushings..they are toast! Want an even better ride and death wobble insurance, go ahead and replace every rubber with neoprene and throw a good quality steering stabilizer in there...you won’t recognize the truck. Difference is night and day. All the best! Keep wheelin’! Steve..’North4x4x44’ 👍
Have you had to replace the flex joint yet?
Nope, I did tighten it tho. You can take out the set screw and tighten everything back up. They do have a special tool, but I just put it in a vise and use a flathead in the key holes and hammer punched it clockwise to tighten it. Still running the same kit I bought.
Check your swaybar link bushing looks like its going bad
"even if you spit on it..." Lmao
Great video
is your axle seal leaking on the front driver's side!?
+Daniel Schirra not the axle seal. The diff cover it tho ha
Where did you buy that track bar? I need one for my 2002
Amazon. Rubicon express
Problem is the coil springs...if you had a yj you could just take it off and chunk it lol
Is your jeep lifted at all? If so, how much?
Ya it’s a 4” lift.
If you talk to almost any mechanic the first thing that comes out of their mouth is steering stabilizer shock. It could be several things including a track bar.
Shock is a bandaid. I’m going on 3 years without one. It’s all about the bushings in the end. Everything needs to be solid to prevent left to right play
Best video ever.....THANKS
Glad to help 👍🏼
That's all I did was replace my stabilizer shock stock GM had a old 78 Chevy started getting a death Shake and that's all I did was replace that that's what I was told to do and it stopped but I get up to about past 25 and it quit but yeah put it though stabilizer shock kid on there and I'll stop even a single make stop
I replaced everything but ball joints and still same wobble problem at 70mph
Possibly a tire issue. If you’ve done bushings in control arms and track bar.
How many miles on the stock bar?
It wasn’t stock. It was only about 5 years old tho. Had a shop install garbage back before I knew better.
Hi, i just got a 4 inch lift with 35 MTs and my steering is all wobbly. Would that fix it? Thank you
Could be multiple things. This may fix it if you notice a lot of play in the joints. Suspension lifts change a lot of geometry in the steering to put things out of whack.
I hope it’s ok to ask away but if this doesn’t fix it, what else would I need to get done? Thanks, appreciate the help.
It could be a few things. What vehicle?
Control arm bushings prevent the “front to back” movement. The track bar prevents side to side movement. But there are other things that effect it.
Ball joints
Balanced tires
All your joints up front
Steering stabilizer
Basically, everything plays a part. It’s a team effort in your front end. Everything plays a part.
If you notice in the video, I mention that EVERYTHING in the front of my Jeep had been changed out. So the trackbar officially fixed it.
I have a 2011 Jeep Wrangler Sport 2dr. After the lift and the alignment, I noticed how off it was and my steering just felt so soft. I got that done at a shop but wasn’t too happy about it as the passenger wheel would rub off on the lower arm when making full right turns. Then took my Jeep to DCD Customs, they told me I could get some wheel spacers which I did and that solved the rubbing. When I ask them for a quote to fix my wobbly steering, they quoted me $1375. In my opinion that’s way too much, so I’m trying to figure out ways to do it myself and saw your video.
I appreciate the input and advice, I’ll start with the trackbar on Monday and see if that makes a difference.
Right on, I’m sure it will help the wobble. I don’t know how you could leave a shop and have it do that. Did the lift not come with a trackbar? Most lifts will come with them since it needs to be longer once it’s lifted.
That upper control arm bushing on the driver side doesn't look like it was pressed in all the way, half of it sticks out on one side on your arm is touching the axle housing on the other side.
That is normal. It's not supposed to be pressed on all the way, you will damage the axle mount it you do. There is a raised lip on the bushing and you press the bushing in up to the lip.
@@alvk3996 I am not talking about the stamped one on on the passenger side the cast mount on top of the diff is the one I'm referencing and at 2:56 you can see that the bushing has fallen out of the casting. I build Cherokees and rock buggies that bushin was not set in correctly. My MJ has that same bushing pressed in and there is equal spacing with that upper arm on both sides. Your control arms should not touch the casting unlike in this video.
@@stevo1977 Oh I see what you're saying, you're right. I missed that it was actually sticking out way too much towards drivers side.
@@alvk3996 it’s the no Bueno, lossy Goosey causes the shakey shakey 😂
@@stevo1977 I'm actually working on trying to replace that same bushing right now on my JK. I used a ball joint press to try to press it out and it just made the passenger side flush with the mount. The rubber interior fell apart so I have nothing to press on. I tried heating it up and using an air hammer and it won't budge. Now I'm trying to find something with the same diameter as the bushing outer sleeve so I could try to use that to press it out.
whats the cost of replacement for this track bar? thanks
+Jake Lebon I paid ~$180 for both trackbar and bracket on amazon.
I wish people would show the old bushing
8:24 your swap bar links are shoot bro .... time to fix those bushings :-)
What a piss poor design from the factory, a ball joint, what the fk were they thinking? the new design is what they should have done the first time, glad you were able to fix it, I was going to suggest taking out the ball joint till I saw the new track bar.
After watching the end of the video, the only thing that concerns me is the fact that the bracket is bolted on, with my 79 Bronco the bracket was similar to the new one you put in, except it was also the shock mount, I dropped it down 2" welded it, something I think you should have done, I don't trust brackets bolted to the frame, especially when they have the greatest amount of stress on them , anyways , good luck with the new setup, It definitely was your problem.
No steering stabilizer?
Na. Don’t need one of everything is set up right. I still don’t have one on.
Im running core4x4 arms and jcr 1 ton. I added a steering stabilizer with a ruffstuff mount. It was great off road but hit a random bump and it gets interesting
So have you even done a trackbar? How are the angles of the pitman arm and the trackbar? If you added any lift from the core arms, it probably threw the angles off..
Now all you gotta do is change the swaybar links! Lol
Put a front shock on there I'd get the double shock mount and it will stop right now in a heartbeat
Bandaids don’t cure scars.
Nice , do some 1" welding in that track bar bracket it will get loose ,only do 3 1" weld and done be safe
your pitman arm looks a bit loose too
I know this is an old video, but did anyone else notice the pitman arm was popping up and down as well. Either it needs to be replaced or the nut snugged up.
Probably the whole steering box 😂 old turd.
what do you mean u have a Durango steering box? you put a Dodge Durango steering box in a jeep jk?
This is an XJ. but yes. It has a Durango steering box.
cool trying to find solutions for the JKU steering box. I'm running 37's with a 4in lift. fixed the death wobble but after aliengment i am getting a hard pull to the left even against gravity.
I fixed it. Traded the piece of junk off, bought aDodge.
Why would you replace everything EXCEPT the track bar??..This IS the First place to Look!!!
+Mars Man of Marvel in the name of science.
Had death wobble on 04 rubicon fixrd the track bar connection point on the passenger side and everything is great got 130 k on all original suspension components
No steering damper?
Nope. 3 years without it.
Will not fix death wobble lol
Tires can do it first check
ding-ding-ding we have a winner.
Dealing with it right now 😭
Incase you missed it there was play in the pitmon arm....lol
Top right corner at 4:47, the steering arm nut is definitely loose. Take care!
Острый глаз! Так держать!
“Doesn’t really fit, even if i spit on it” 😂
Hi, That is a totally different configured track bar as there is no grease nipple on the top?
+spud Dowling are you talking the frame side? There is a grease zerk, I installed it afterwards. What TB did you get?
Haven't purchased one yet but I like that one you are using
I'm contemplated just replacing the bushes? whats your thoughts? here in Australia Jeep parts are ridiculously over priced eg New Radiator $1100 Australian
+spud Dowling whoa. Are you running the stock TB now? This setup is bolt on, but is obviously 2 parts. US it was $190 for both. It is worth it. But I guess it depends on the cost. Are you right hand drive too? (Probably, but thought I’d ask) I don’t know how rubicon express deals with RHD..
Yes, RHD Mate standard TB on tj 2006 Wrangler SWB (65th Ann) I will look into Rubicon express BTW great video, you've given me the confidence to fix my own TB I thank you for that. But here in Australia, i Iive in a small coastal town and 3 mechanics when I say I have a death wobble issue I may as well be speaking Swahili. It has been looked at and they say no problem very annoying so I said go for a drive, no they're not interested.
whats your thoughts on changing bushes only?
Death wobble present after trackbar replacement (2020 Gladiator started at 41,000 miles)
Control arm bushings next
Your stabilizer rods are dead as well
What Jeep model is this?
2000 Jeep cherokee
@@thebak4d Thanks, great video. I have a Wrangler TJ same issue different bar.
Neal Kleinman same idea. Should be easy to replace the same way. It’s all pretty similar. Control arm bushings are huge too. Check those.
Joel knows 's about this.
Honestly you can see the new track bar mount flex. It’s too thin
Trust me on this one, 40 plus years fixing autos. The death wobble is NOT from worn parts!!! It IS due to Too much Negative caster. Have a real alignment done and move caster as much positive as possible with keeping the camber to as close to zero as possible.. PROBLEM SOLVED!!!! Also toe set at 1/16 in on both sides. No more wobble and tires will last much longer.
How much is the part?
About $200 for both the track bar and bracket.
Thank you my Jeep did it today and it’s constantly doing it and it doesn’t matter how fast we going we can hit a small crack it starts wobbling real bad. I’m hoping I can find someone to fix it. I have a 2008 Jeep Wrangler unlimited x. How would I know I know what I need to get.
Starlett Rutledge definitely research it for your make and model. If you find someone willing to help, they may know exactly what to look for. You probably won’t need the bracket on that new of Jeep. While you’re there, check the control arm bushings too. These jeeps like a solid front end. 👍🏼
Thank you so much
Spit on it. Lol
you need new sway bar links
There's more problems with your suspension, not just the track bar is bad. those upper control arm bushings are shot as well.
hi
That’s exactly why my 2015 JKU will never have oversized tires or a lift. If I can’t do it stock it won’t be done.
Jamdeeper? More like Ramjeeper.
Track bars do not cause death wobble.
A bad track bar will let it deathwobble easier.
Tha root of deathwobble is your front tracking, (toe).
You don't want any toe in on a straight axle.
Start neutral, if you get deathwobble, toe it out slightly, a little at a time, until it stops deathwobbleing completely.
If you go to far it can dw still.
The crown of the road will make a vehicle with neutral toe track inward, due to the tire contact patch being on the inside of the tire.
If you could take your wheel, tire combo off, and somehow give it a contact patch, like it's on the truck, and pushed it, it would go in a circle.
The road crown constantly changes, therefore you have to split the difference.
When the tires aren't tracking together, the tread bends in the direction it's being pulled, and loads the tires for deathwobble.
As soon as you hit a bump, certain speeds, or sometimes with sticky tires with a big footprint they'll deathwobble at 20mph like crazy.
All can be fixed with a simple tierod adjustment.
Brand new vehicles can dw if the front tracking is wrong.
With good tires and proper tracking , the only thing a loose trackbar will do is give you play in your wheel and a wondering problem.
Dude, what do you think a track bar is? It in no way connects to the wheel or causes "wander"... also, I'll personally Venmo you $20 if you can get a brand new vehicle to deathwobble just by turning tie rods... I await your video!
@@KoryTams if you don't get it, you don't get it, sorry.
@@mikegreer9041 oh I get it, and I can tell you right now that if trackbar bushings are shot, drag link joints are loose, control arm bushings are oblong and tie rod ends have been compromised, you are not going to fix deathwobble by dicking with the toe of your tires... you may want to worry less about your sticky rubber and more about the geometry involved in keeping your axle centered and stable during impacts. I'm going to assume you've never disassembled a solid axle front end before and reassembled it with new components to compare the results, because you sir, don't get it...
You said you have death wobble like some disease 😂😂
It is a disease. I’ve been clean since the video tho. Yearly tests 👊🏼
@@thebak4d hope to be like you one day. Currently just got diagnosed with it 😂 great video do bro
It'd be nice if someday they'd finally ...... switch to independent
all of the new jeeps other than the wrangler have independent, independent is not what you want when you're building a jeep
all thanks to guildunlocks on ig i got my brother car back through him👍
bushers only last for a year
In that case, you could’ve just replaced the track bar end with a new tie rod end from moog for a lot cheaper
So I can do it again in a year? Na. Moog is garbage anyways. The way I beat stuff up. Probably wouldn’t get a year. I don’t want to go the cheap way. It sounds great but doesn’t work great.
Jamdeeper I wasn’t aware moog was trash bro. I’ve read good stuff but I guess not. I don’t off-road at all so I don’t think it would matter too much but ride on bro.
They’ve lost my money. Quality down, cost up. Typical “good” vendor story. Thanks brotha
@@thebak4d I did use a moog ball joint once and it was garbage in a year on a street only truck.
kind of late, but your trac bar and draglink angles dont look quite right.
Ok
Hey can you take more pauses and talk a little slower next video
JFC can this guy talk any slower? Good video but damn speed it up.
Smells like broke in here
Smells like updog.
Dear youtube. No more heap videos please. Please recommend classic Toyota only. I could give two shits about fake jeeps.
Thanks for watching Ricky! Glad you stopped by!