When I first learned move years ago (as the "back door escape") I passed it off a bunk reverse variation of the hip-heist to double-leg escape because it always put in a front head-lock. That over-hook(wizzer) makes a world of difference!
Then you got to meet Eddie Bravo. I was there for a seminar given by him. He is a special guy, yeah. But what he teaches... this is for real man. this style is just awesome. And Eddie is so nice.
no look fellas, the forearm on the neck will be leverage for a sweep if they lose their base by trying to mount. also when he tries for that ankle and they tuck im sure he shoots and "ghosts" out immediately. the under hook will prevent the mount so i think this is a very effective move, and well done by chris and 10th planet.
i think this is a solid move... as long as you have good control with the wizzer and if you go for the kimura your arms will be wrong and probably help with escape considering your help will move away from his hips and help the head get through..the only thing i could see doing once he has the wizzer is to try and get him back flat on his back a regain top control
I use it all the time from modified scarf hold as well., like I said in the video it can be done from a number if positions, transitions, and during scrambles.
I like Eddie Bravo. I think the crazy stuff he does now will be common in the future. People look at it like it nuts, but it's really logical and effective. In this one though, after you shrimp out and move your legs back toward the top man ... what is stopping the top man from just controlling the head and arm a little before the spin and just taking mount? Just curious. Anyone?
Make no mistake I love watching Eddie Bravo and the instruction from 10th planet is awesome. The "lingo" is just a bit over my head and you gotta admit sounds a bit like skater talk to the uninitiated. Thanks for describing the pimp arm to me btw.
keeping the hips low in side control is a standard judo practice... all of their pins are achieved by lowering the hips and bringing down full weight on the opponent. Sprawling with the right grip can completely paralyse the opponent and i think its the best way to side control unless you are baiting them for a counter
side control with both knees up is not crap, if you isolate the armnear your knee its very hard for the bottom guy to get out... everything is about space, make it and use it
@FightersOnlyMagazine I agree. But I think an experienced grapplers chance of hitting you with an armbar or kimura from there is more likly than you escaping with this, unless you are really really quick, which isnt unlikely becasue this escape is a very fast one. However, why hook with the arm like that? But yeah I agree. You could purpousely "give " your arm to get an opening to escape.
@AikidoSaintTKE what is the difference between 10th planet jujitsu and bjj? i thought 10th planet jujitsu was simply the name of the gym these fighters are from. great escape too i havnt seen this one before
This is meant to be an option, not a go-to move. I do agree it might be more fun than technical but its better to have 5 side escape rather than 4. Just something to throw in your chain of moves. I get guys way better than me in random things like this every now and then.
You might not be getting on your side enough initially. The straight arm and being on your side is whats stopping your partner from pinning you. Also when the straight arm is moved to under-hook it has to be quick, powerful and not telegraphed.
that one looks dangerous.. if the one on holds on to the underhook he got on the red shirts arm and uses his left arm to push down the "hip control arm" he can just go north-south and BAM armbar
@teesidethai 10th Planet is the name of the gym as well as the system taught there. It's a system created by Eddie Bravo that incorporates traditional bjj with some more unorthodox, yet highly effective, techniques.
More difficult ,a bit but you would need to stop him from trexing and getting on his side , if he trexies , he will get on his side ,and that's when you need to control his knees and go for mount . good comment rockos414 .
I use this all the time it works really well but I never have that over hook there i just keep that arm under their neck to keep some space for the escape
@lorentzus And the way I see it, the rotation movement used to get into sprawl control is very similar to thew motion of a pendulum. If you did what you recommended, you'd get more inital power, but it loses it's oomph, because it has low centripedal force. The longer the pendulum, the more energy it gets by swinging, and the easier the motion becomes in general. The longer, and further out you have your legs, the smoother, and more powerful the movement becomes. Cheers. =]
Check it out. The idea of a whizzer is pressure. He doesn't have a whizzer he has a simple overhook. No pressure = no whizzer. (Trust me, I wrestled in The Big 10 in college, I know the difference) The pimp arm, as I said, is on the far side hip. Great for stopping a spinning armbar, but not so great to stop my other side. Moreover, he shrimps out only to move back in. So once the legs move back toward me, I can go knee on stomach, at least, and probably slide into mount.
Nice escape, although I think you're more like to have someone move to modified scarf hold after the 25 cent attempt rather than just sliding their knee up.
oh. . . .i actually do this one all the time actually, slight variation, after getting that underhook i oompa and sit out, rolling out would prolly be a better option
The video is of submission wrestling ,and if you would watch more Jiu Jitsu you would see that you do not need to be sprawled out in side control to be effective, my instructor is, Rodrigo "Comprido" Medeiros of flo mma ,and the two of Eddie Bravo top student know what they are doing .I watched some of your videos, and the one you got on passing the guard , I used it yesterday and it did help me pass the guard it was a good move.
@metalmankeith or ok thanks. one of my coaches said that when he trained with eddie he was high whenever training, dont suppose you know if this is true do you lol?
You do not need to be sprawled out in side control at all times , some times you do and some times you don't , in fact there are many ways to be in side control .
At 1:13, can't the guy on top give up his right hand over hook, and move his right hand to the right side of the waist of the guy on bottom, and switch to over-under north/south? It's happened to me many times. Then if you try to spin you give up your back.
I'm re watching this video after adding it to my play list for a few months..I must be doing it wrong because I always land on the bad side of n orth south
Will you still be able to Complete this, if the person on top puts a lot of shoulder pressure to crossface. I imagine it would make it more difficult let me know if that changes anything
all u have to do from side control is push ur forearm into the opponents throat, forcing him to lift up. keep pushing until his lead lifts up enough for u to be able to get ur leg across his face, then u can push him into an armbar
This move is not easy at first ,don't give up on it , when you drop your hips to turn throw and push your elbow into his shoulder to make space for wizzer ,the more you are on your side the better chances of landing this move , watch the video.
1) You did not shrimp your hips away from him. You bridged for space and landed on your side. 2) Locking your arm out like that is only possible if the guy on top has no idea of what he is doing. With any sort of game from the top guy, you could at best hope for keeping your right underarm in the crease of his hip.
Question. I was working this escape with my class last night and found that (if doing the escape of same side) if i wizard my left arm, when I swing my legs around there is nothing to stop the guy on top to just pin my head with his chest. Was I doing something wrong, just wondering?
Okay I'll try that, the last few times I've attempted this I've been crushed/arm barred or they've simply pushed me down and controlled me since I'm so small and puny :D. Not including I'm still a white belt.
3) Your overhook is holding his shoulder in place, which is ludicrous. What you should do is hold his upper arm and/or elbow in place to prevent a subsequent defense of your planned escape. Either close your elbow down to his or move your hand halfwards down his humerus. 4) Why swing the legs in some weird fashion when you might more powerfully apply a small shrimp and bridge/roll forcefully creating the space which would be lacking, had the top guy had any game.
When I first learned move years ago (as the "back door escape") I passed it off a bunk reverse variation of the hip-heist to double-leg escape because it always put in a front head-lock. That over-hook(wizzer) makes a world of difference!
Great video- I love that you show the person countering, transition and possible finishes. All product, no filler.
wizzer, pimp arm, t rex gotta love these 10th planet names lol
This is indeed two different escapes + a submission all chained into one combination. I like it. Thanks.
I love that you have names for everything, that makes it so much easier for me.
Then you got to meet Eddie Bravo. I was there for a seminar given by him. He is a special guy, yeah. But what he teaches... this is for real man. this style is just awesome. And Eddie is so nice.
defunitely trying it on tomorrow's class !!!
Very nice, I'll have to use that one next time! Thx for the great vids.
Beautiful. Thank you brother
The 'pimp arm' is the arm that is checking and pushing against the hip to create space. Not the arm wrapping around your opponents are (the Whizzer).
this is a beautiful move.. i can't wait to try it out at my gym
no look fellas, the forearm on the neck will be leverage for a sweep if they lose their base by trying to mount. also when he tries for that ankle and they tuck im sure he shoots and "ghosts" out immediately. the under hook will prevent the mount so i think this is a very effective move, and well done by chris and 10th planet.
i think this is a solid move... as long as you have good control with the wizzer and if you go for the kimura your arms will be wrong and probably help with escape considering your help will move away from his hips and help the head get through..the only thing i could see doing once he has the wizzer is to try and get him back flat on his back a regain top control
that looks so easy.. I hate when I get stuck i side control.. I hope its as easy as you made it look.. Great job I really like this escape..
wow this escape looks amazing! I WILL try that out at the gym next week!
I use it all the time from modified scarf hold as well., like I said in the video it can be done from a number if positions, transitions, and during scrambles.
I like Eddie Bravo. I think the crazy stuff he does now will be common in the future. People look at it like it nuts, but it's really logical and effective. In this one though, after you shrimp out and move your legs back toward the top man ... what is stopping the top man from just controlling the head and arm a little before the spin and just taking mount? Just curious. Anyone?
Make no mistake I love watching Eddie Bravo and the instruction from 10th planet is awesome. The "lingo" is just a bit over my head and you gotta admit sounds a bit like skater talk to the uninitiated. Thanks for describing the pimp arm to me btw.
wicked escape, tried it yesterday and it works
Love this technique. I often get stuck in side control and sometimes shrimping and getting back to half doesn't work for me.
Looks great!
I can't wait to try that
Love your videos, please keep them coming
that escape was purrrty
What do you mean?
great vid.
u actually explained it better than my teacher!
keeping the hips low in side control is a standard judo practice... all of their pins are achieved by lowering the hips and bringing down full weight on the opponent. Sprawling with the right grip can completely paralyse the opponent and i think its the best way to side control unless you are baiting them for a counter
Don't forget. Fighting is dynamic. No one will sit there in a position while you are moving away. Unless they're already out...
side control with both knees up is not crap, if you isolate the armnear your knee its very hard for the bottom guy to get out... everything is about space, make it and use it
Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks alot!
the goofy names really help me remember it. i've heard another teacher call this the "spin out" escape. "Ghost" is much easier for me to remember
@FightersOnlyMagazine I agree. But I think an experienced grapplers chance of hitting you with an armbar or kimura from there is more likly than you escaping with this, unless you are really really quick, which isnt unlikely becasue this escape is a very fast one. However, why hook with the arm like that? But yeah I agree. You could purpousely "give " your arm to get an opening to escape.
dude i love that im ganna try that nxt time i go into da dojo
@AikidoSaintTKE
what is the difference between 10th planet jujitsu and bjj? i thought 10th planet jujitsu was simply the name of the gym these fighters are from.
great escape too i havnt seen this one before
Very nice, would've been cool to see it at full speed though.
Also, aren't they going to mount as soon as you turn your hips away?
This is meant to be an option, not a go-to move. I do agree it might be more fun than technical but its better to have 5 side escape rather than 4. Just something to throw in your chain of moves. I get guys way better than me in random things like this every now and then.
You might not be getting on your side enough initially. The straight arm and being on your side is whats stopping your partner from pinning you. Also when the straight arm is moved to under-hook it has to be quick, powerful and not telegraphed.
respect, epic escape, trying it tonight
I've used this technique (without the whizzer) a couple of times and it has worked about 50% of the time. It's a nice addition to my arsenal.
+Devin Wright Did someone try and grab mount around the time you got underhook?
You gotta do it quick so that doesn't happen. Quick and explosive.
you need to check out "Mastering the Rubber Guard" by Eddie Bravo.
1) The Pimp Arm
2)the orginal attack 25 cent (recovering the lock down)
3)The near side under hook, once its pummeled through.
that one looks dangerous.. if the one on holds on to the underhook he got on the red shirts arm and uses his left arm to push down the "hip control arm" he can just go north-south and BAM armbar
@teesidethai 10th Planet is the name of the gym as well as the system taught there. It's a system created by Eddie Bravo that incorporates traditional bjj with some more unorthodox, yet highly effective, techniques.
thanx for the info i'll try it out
Holy shit, that's magic...
More difficult ,a bit but you would need to stop him from trexing and getting on his side , if he trexies , he will get on his side ,and that's when you need to control his knees and go for mount . good comment
rockos414 .
ty ty!! Definitely putting this on my ipod to practice later :)
Exactly what I though. Underhot arm looks in danger badly. thanks :)
I use this all the time it works really well but I never have that over hook there i just keep that arm under their neck to keep some space for the escape
@lorentzus And the way I see it, the rotation movement used to get into sprawl control is very similar to thew motion of a pendulum. If you did what you recommended, you'd get more inital power, but it loses it's oomph, because it has low centripedal force. The longer the pendulum, the more energy it gets by swinging, and the easier the motion becomes in general. The longer, and further out you have your legs, the smoother, and more powerful the movement becomes. Cheers. =]
thats awesome!! i definitly gotta try that.
Btw i love the 10 planet names: "pimp arm" lmao.
Check it out. The idea of a whizzer is pressure. He doesn't have a whizzer he has a simple overhook. No pressure = no whizzer. (Trust me, I wrestled in The Big 10 in college, I know the difference) The pimp arm, as I said, is on the far side hip. Great for stopping a spinning armbar, but not so great to stop my other side. Moreover, he shrimps out only to move back in. So once the legs move back toward me, I can go knee on stomach, at least, and probably slide into mount.
Sniffed counter: At the wizzer/pimp arm to underhook transition - beware of the arm bar (underhooked arm) threat.
that's slick. good stuff
Nice escape, although I think you're more like to have someone move to modified scarf hold after the 25 cent attempt rather than just sliding their knee up.
Oooohh they're gonna get it in class now ;-)
I like it, how bout an escape from scarf, or modified scarf. Sometimes when I pimp arm them they turn into me and scarf... any help is great.
I love the name and the technique Pimp Arm ah thats too funny
oh. . . .i actually do this one all the time actually, slight variation, after getting that underhook i oompa and sit out, rolling out would prolly be a better option
very nice,thanks.
what if they have a really tight grip around your head and arm? seems like that would make it hard to do the role thing....?
The video is of submission wrestling ,and if you would watch more Jiu Jitsu you would see that you do not need to be sprawled out in side control to be effective, my instructor is, Rodrigo "Comprido" Medeiros of flo mma ,and the two of Eddie Bravo top student know what they are doing .I watched some of your videos, and the one you got on passing the guard , I used it yesterday and it did help me pass the guard it was a good move.
that i needed. thanks.
@metalmankeith
or ok thanks. one of my coaches said that when he trained with eddie he was high whenever training, dont suppose you know if this is true do you lol?
In 10th planet the PIMP arm is just a straight arm frame against the hip.
That is cool as fuck and looks like it doesn't take a whole lot of energy either.
You do not need to be sprawled out in side control at all times , some times you do and some times you don't , in fact there are many ways to be in side control .
At 1:13, can't the guy on top give up his right hand over hook, and move his right hand to the right side of the waist of the guy on bottom, and switch to over-under north/south? It's happened to me many times. Then if you try to spin you give up your back.
It works I did this move like 2 days ago ! IT'S FUN!
I'm re watching this video after adding it to my play list for a few months..I must be doing it wrong because I always land on the bad side of n
orth south
Will you still be able to Complete this, if the person on top puts a lot of shoulder pressure to crossface. I imagine it would make it more difficult let me know if that changes anything
I used it today against a green belt. It worked. But I never had the Wizard and didnt end up in sprawl control, but I got out of side control :D
sick move
all u have to do from side control is push ur forearm into the opponents throat, forcing him to lift up. keep pushing until his lead lifts up enough for u to be able to get ur leg across his face, then u can push him into an armbar
Thanks for the comments guys!!!
@MursuTheMan you're right but it's very easy and not that many steps and very effective
This move is not easy at first ,don't give up on it , when you drop your hips to turn throw and push your elbow into his shoulder to make space for wizzer ,the more you are on your side the better chances of landing this move , watch the video.
Nice and Simple.Good move.
what do you do if the person on top doesnt have the pressure of a white belt
I like this. Thank you. I plan to do this and then apply tha sucuri choke to the fool that dares to side control me.
So when are these 10th Planet guys going to win any major comps like ADCC ?
1) You did not shrimp your hips away from him. You bridged for space and landed on your side.
2) Locking your arm out like that is only possible if the guy on top has no idea of what he is doing. With any sort of game from the top guy, you could at best hope for keeping your right underarm in the crease of his hip.
Very Nice
SICK MOVE!!
Nice!
thats awesome.
Question. I was working this escape with my class last night and found that (if doing the escape of same side) if i wizard my left arm, when I swing my legs around there is nothing to stop the guy on top to just pin my head with his chest. Was I doing something wrong, just wondering?
that move....its BEAUTIFUL! haha
Great !
Awesooome.
Ty
@NOMAMESilovecake123 Agree 100%... I honestly love this move.... No one expects it...
I see the wizer keeps him from just going to north south. nice I'l have to let guys pass my guard and try this.
Okay I'll try that, the last few times I've attempted this I've been crushed/arm barred or they've simply pushed me down and controlled me since I'm so small and puny :D. Not including I'm still a white belt.
This would work in a GI too ?
When you got the overhook isn't there a chance for the opponent to spin and go for an armbar?
Not if they're blocking your knee with their own. Hip space doesn't mean anything if you can't clear your legs.
That left arm is like begging for an armbar to be put on it, but I can see this work if you are really quick
3) Your overhook is holding his shoulder in place, which is ludicrous. What you should do is hold his upper arm and/or elbow in place to prevent a subsequent defense of your planned escape. Either close your elbow down to his or move your hand halfwards down his humerus.
4) Why swing the legs in some weird fashion when you might more powerfully apply a small shrimp and bridge/roll forcefully creating the space which would be lacking, had the top guy had any game.
this is cool