We are not saying that Pi is bad. But UDOO X86 Advanced, despite costing 4 times the price of Raspberry Pi 3, is TEN times more powerful, and every software that you use on your PC already works on UDOO X86, not to mention that with UDOO X86 you also get an Arduino 101, which would cost you another $30 alone.
UDOO B. I understand your point, and I am new on this type of computing too ! I am just making a comment like a PC user. But I have a project, and since my software are on Windows ... (I can try on linux but it is troublesome) so I am looking around. And I have found 2 boards so far the UDOO and the PIN64 and a mini tiny PC build with Win10
overclocked orange if i may, I can not think that I will need a lot of board to put under or in a system just to gain power ! it is like buying 4 Fiat punto to run after a BMW that is making no sense ! But I am sure the Pi can be useful beside others. but for my project I can not managed many boards just because of that. better lower my expectation. I do not have the budget to buy 3-4 boards and a multi touch screen and manage my software on linux just for a try. better for me to look for a tiny PC sold with Windows !
overclocked orange you can also make a cluster with UDOO X86. There was even a reward tier on Kickstarter for the cluster. daniel DUCTEIL An information you may have missed: UDOO X86 doesn't come with a preinstalled OS.
Thank you for the video. Not sure why people are complaining about the comparison. SBC vs SBC. I think this should be aimed at the HTPC peeps given the price
I understand that they're not in the same price point, but this is a great comparison. I own a Pi now, and it's good to see if it's really worth it to pay the extra money for an udoo.
can you make a building a udoo cluster video? i want to know how to cluster two of these together for emulation also, could youdo an inhouse, unbiased benckmark video for your boards so people understand exactly where their money is going in terms of power and processing.. one last thing, is there an overclocking feature for your boards to allow tweakers and overclockers to have a go at overclocking? lastly, any plans on up3 and will it have a socket to allow processors to be upgraded or a chance of making both intel and amd singleboard pc's with nvidia and amd chipsets as i think this would be an awesome step towards really playing with power.. perhaps also look to mediatek helioX series deca core processors as they seem to be the newest kid on the block and their x25 AND X30 HELIO PROCESSORS look the goods in terms of real playing power.. my ideal board would be: helio x3X/x4X processor 16GB ram SATA (keep SATA or expand em2/microSDsupport) hdmi 2.0 with4k support/audio via hdmi full windows/linux/android support (keep this coming)
So is the UDOO running UDOObuntu2 or the first UDOOBuntu? I didn't know that it was possible to install kodi directly into UDOOBuntu. How did you do that? Regular install commands in terminal or is something else required to get it running?
None of this. What you are watching is not UDOObuntu, is the official Ubuntu. This one: www.ubuntu.com/ Regarding Kodi you are misunderstanding. You can use the program (the one you see in the video) or the distribution. The distribution is a bit better. But also the program, the one you see in the video, works really good.
For what concerns the program, it's really straightforward. You download it and execute it as any other program. You don't have to use the command line.
Would it be possible to get somekind of synthetic benchmarks comparing the UDOO x86 ULTRA and the flagship smart phones (Google Pixel, Nexus, Iphone 6 or any such performance class.. potentially nintendo 3DS too?)? I just kind of want to gauge where the performance is in relation to above the UDOO between UDOO and small desktop pc.
Hi 3Rton, unfortunately this is not possible at the moment, we're focusing on delivering right now. But we bet that once the board is available there will be many benchmarks online!
wow im impressed!!! i planned turning a singleboard computer into a tvbox...with ambilight,nas, kodi with browser and emulators on it.. i was thinking about odroid xu4, cubiebaord4 or the pi3 and now since i saw the udoo also the udoo :D... im a beginner (but i got good skillz and learn really fast) and alot of ppl told me i should go for a pi because the community is bigger... what would you recommend? thank you
I'm in the same boat as you, I'm thinking i'm going to go with the UDOO though because yes the community is bigger for the Pi but at the same time Linux versions have to be specially made for the ARM CPU, as UDOO claims to run any x86 Linux Distribution. I'm still doing my research cause i really want to know about the RAM cause all models except the cheapest have 4GB+ RAM but 32-bit OS can only recognize up to 2GB(Unless that's just Windows)
Hi Dave! If this is the first time for you with a single board computer, we suggest you to go for UDOO X86. In fact, unlike other single board computers, you can use it exactly as you use your laptop. Any program you already use with your PC will just work on UDOO X86, with no need to wait for a porting. Basically you can use the board as a Home Theather 4K PC and later, when you feel confident, you can use it to hack the world and build stuff. This is where to preorder: shop.udoo.org/preorder-x86.html
UDOO B. I finally ordered a Udo 😁 I have one question when using the Arduino... is the arduino using the power from the Udo, or does it needs a separate input? Also not sure how much volt the Udo has? 12v? But the arduino has 5v? But 3,3v signals am I getting it right?
How good would this be good for gaming? I am thinking about maxing out most games out there or should I stick to my current pc (My current pc has Intel Core i7 and gtx 980 and 64 gbs of ram)
You should stick to your current PC for gaming. UDOO X86 is worse than your PC speaking of gaming, because it's meant for other things - for makers and everyday users.
Broadly speaking yes, of course - but to be correct we have to say that it depends on the peripheral that you want to attach. Are there drivers? To reassure you we can tell you that we chose a processor whose drivers are already supported, so there shouldn't be any problem.
Hi I would like to make the UDOO X86 it into a muli tuner for local tv stations then run my 4 kodi boxs to it so i can watch hd on hdtv at the same time will this let me do that? i have 6 HD TV IN THE HOUSE WITH 1GB INTERNET
I have a very important question, Looking at the different models of the UDOO and all models except for the cheapest one have 4GB+ RAM but since 32-bit OS can only recognize 2GB of RAM will the extra be wasted?
Nice comparison........ Compare this. how long will the udoo last on a 8000mah solor powered battery. xD compared to the raspberry pi 3 and while you are at it.. go compare arm vs x32
+UDOO B. You mean 1080p TV Playback or live transcode, i meaned to transcode a 1080p so that u can watch it on your Smartphone with LTE connection an 4mbit instead of the normal ~20mbit for a 1080i Stream. Dont Know if this was clear
Here's the datasheet with the info you're looking for: seco.com/misk/UDOO_X86_datasheet.pdf We have tested the audio both with speakers, HDMI and heaphones and works fine.
thanks alot! anyone can test with latencymon? www.resplendence.com/latencymon im planing to do a "portable guitar fx" with line 6 podfarm software and udoo x86
Most important information was missing from this comparison, what is price of UDOO X86. BTW, smart to compare only available software for UDOO X86, because if you went with all software, it would be the same like asking for ultraHD video for RPi - not available. While you at it, can you compare it to RPi Zero?
+RoMage Dear RoMage, the video is part of a series of video updates on Kickstarter about UDOO X86. You can compare price by yourself. Here's the URL of the Kickstarter campaign: www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-x86-the-most-powerful-maker-board-ever What do you mean when you say "smart to compare only available software for UDOO X86"? The available software for UDOO X86 are nothing less than the available software for the PC domain. It is an x86_64 machine.
+UDOO B. I rememeber talk about kickstarter for x86, and was interested until this video. x86 is in between cheap computers and RPi. I just bought laptop/tablet for 200 dollars (lenovo yoga) with quad core processor, 2 GB ram and 32GB internal ram, including keyboard and 10" screen. - how does this board compare to that tablet that comes with Win10 license? What OS do you plan to support with drivers? (Win9x? or older?)
Dear RoMage, the laptop/tablet you quoted, on sale for $200, does not have 32 GB of internal RAM, it has instead 32 GB of eMMC. For 9 dollars more UDOO X86 ULTRA has only 8 GB eMMC, but four times the RAM. By the way you can compare it by yourself, thanks to this service provided by Intel, at this URL: ark.intel.com/it/compare/92124,91830,91831,80270 As you can see UDOO X86 is way better in terms of power. Speaking of OS, there won't be problems in terms of drivers. Windows 10, Linux (any distro) and Android will work fine on UDOO X86. Windows 7 will work, but you need a different procedure to install it. Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 work without problems.
+UDOO B. Sorry, my mistake, 2GB RAM, 32GB is internal SSD HD. So, touch screen, keyboard with touchpad, excellent battery life and runs all windows programs I tried... well worth money... and don't get me wrong, it is wrong to compare that with this project just the same as comparing 35 dollar RPi with it. No older version of windows supported? (something I would be interested, for retro-gaming stuff)
We don't know yet for what concerns your last question. Regarding the comparison, the meaning of this comparison is exactly to make people understand that not all maker boards are equal. It is not that obvious. We hope you understand the spirit of this comparison, which is not to be offensive.
To answer this question we need a test and at the moment we cannot test any kind of thing. The first Kickstarter backers will receive the boards in days, so it's just a matter of time to get these answers.
Broadly speaking, the board is a PC, and if your computer can do it, and if the board meets the system requirement of the thing you want to do, then there's no problem. To understand if it meets the system requirements just compare the system requirements of the thing you want to run with the specs of UDOO X86, that you can find at our website: www.udoo.org/download/files/datasheets/udoo_x86_datasheet.pdf
You don't need an official openelec or libreelec distribution, you can just use the already available distribution for generic x86 PCs: openelec.tv/get-openelec That's the beauty of UDOO X86: that all the resources for the PC world are compatible!
As we've said on Kickstarter, the PCI express has only 2 lanes and this represents a bottleneck for the kind of attached eGPU you can exploit. In other words, your UDOO X86 won't become a PS4 :) For the video, sorry but now we're focused on the development.
Can the udoo x86 ultra be connected to a external graphics card? I'm not the most technologically savvy person, but I am interested in the udoo x86 ultra.
You can, but it won't provide the boost that you expect. GPUs traditionally have 16 lanes or more, while the PCI express on the M2 slot, to which you would attach such GPU, has 2 lanes - and this represents a bottleneck.
UDOO B. Wow thanks for the speedy reply! Well I'm looking to make it a top tier gaming machine. I just want to insure the games I do play can meet a playable standard.
on the KS campaign, theres a graph showing the benchmarks on all the maker boards, the UDOO x86 10x the power than the UDOO Quad. my question is, it shows the UDOO Quad for $135 on the site and the x86 being dramatically faster, why is it starting at $89? shouldn't it cost relatively more than the UDOO Quad? gratz on the goal guys. cheers
You are comparing the most powerful model of a Kickstarter campaign of 2013 (UDOO QUAD) with the least powerful model offered in early bird (that is, discounted) of a Kickstarter campaign of 2016.
Hi there Mikael! We're going to start shipping pre-ordered items the first week of April, or eventually the last week of March if we manage to ship to all our Kickstarter backers by that time. We're sorry for this waiting, and we thank you for your patience :) We promise that the board will live up to your expectations.
Someone has asked about the power consumption. We have not done any serious test yet for what regards power consumption, but with the average browsing experience the board consumes about 10 W or less. The processors consume as little as 5 or 6 W, depending on the model. You can doublecheck this last info and compare the three models on the Ark Intel Website: ark.intel.com/compare/92124,91831,91830
Why say no? Is't the specifications of original power supply. Yeah ok with cos phi & efficiency coefficient of transformer you might see it can drain around 40 watt. Don't be shame of that, it is (fast) computing. I'm sure it will suite for some projects very well. What is the correct specifications of the power supply?
No, because it's the *maximum* the power supply can provide. I'm pretty sure you're not letting it do benchmarks all the day (even then I hope the power supply is providing a bit more than what's actually needed), so your actual average power consumption is way lower than that.
Ok thx +Moritz, I see UDOO B.'s view point. I think I was trying to act as private consumer that will consider using the device, I would like to know how much it will costs me running that, I'm talking mains from wall. That dirty tax, people like me have to pay. And yes I'm sure too that the actual usage of power of the computer-board is low. If you are using the original powersupply it will drain almost the same power from mains regardless device is ON or even if your computer-board is not connected to the original power supply. Customer like me would (maybe) buy the original power supply only to test the computer-board. When the computerboard is installed on it's work location it will be connected to multiswichmode powersupply that can cover other instruments (sensors, robotics) as well. I like this small computers, they have so many possible applications. No I think I have to say that I love them :)
The comparison of price, at least for what concerns the Kickstarter campaign, still is to our advantage: UDOO X86 Basic Model costs slightly more than the double of the price of Raspberry Pi 3 but is 10 times more powerful.
While I do understand that one is better than the other, one is built for a different set of tasks than the other. You can't expect a Volvo to do what Ferrari can do. One is family vehicle material and the other is meant for sport.
Nintendo DS has only one touch screen, the other is a non-touch screen. You can of course attach two touch screens, but it would be like attaching two mouse to the same computer. What are you planning to build?
Raspberry Pi as in a slice of Raspberry "Pie". Raspberry P.I. makes me think you're talking about a new Tom Selleck Private Investigations show like Magnum P.I.
Hi Blob. The board should have been shipped in November, December for those ordering UDOO X86 Ultra, and you can double-check this information on Kickstarter: kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-x86-the-most-powerful-maker-board-ever Shippings will actually start on March 10, as we have declared on Kickstarter: www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-x86-the-most-powerful-maker-board-ever/posts/1788329 So we are 4 months late, not 1 year late. You can read the whole story of this delay on Kickstarter, through several updates: kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-x86-the-most-powerful-maker-board-ever/updates Long story short, during the Kickstarter campaign we announced that, as first Stretch Goal, we will have supported PCI express on M2 slot. The redesign that was necessary to support this additional feature - which has been added for free for all backers - should have been a fast thing to do, instead it took more time than expected.
whats fancinating me for this is X86 sounds interesting. but what grapic card has it intel integrated? and can a windows xp or windows 98 runn. but still a X86 instead of arm :D
The chip in the Pi was developed for portable (battery powered) video processing and computing so low power was a key goal. That's why the ARM dominates mobile phones and not the X86 line. I notice the UDOO has a big heat sink, while the Pi needs none. The Pi allows people to build it into things like battery-driven drones or cars.
Low power is a key goal also for UDOO X86, that consumes just a fraction of a common desktop PC. Also, things are changing since Intel started releasing low-consumption processors such as the ones we use for UDOO X86. The processor on board in fact consumes as little as 5 or 6 Watt, depending on the model, and you can double check this info on the website of the manufacturer, i.e. Intel ark.intel.com/compare/92124,91831,91830
Desktop PC: 65 to 240 W. UDOO: 5 or 6 W. R-Pi: 0.8 to 1.1 W. So the power is a factor of ten between a PC and UDOO, and a factor of 6 between UDOO and a Pi. When I have access to mains, power is not important, I use my PC or laptop. When I do not have mains, and use batteries, power IS an issue. I'll use a Pi. For example, in solar-powered projects, electric flight projects, robotics, and portable entertainment. The right machine for a job depends on the job. For example, big cars were okay in 50's USA - space was plentiful and fuel was cheap. But then oil prices rose and many older countries have smaller roads and garages. The USA didn't adapt, and now Detroit collapsed. Likewise, a 6W processor isn't practical in a mobile phone for example, because it would need a big heatsink or get too hot to hold. The UDOO has a market for applications where the Pi is not enough and the extra power is available for the higher price.
1) Where did you find the power consumption of Raspberry Pi? Because we haven't found any official info on this, only measures made by the community going from 0.something up to 3.5 Watt and beyond. 2) As you have said, UDOO X86 shines in those situations in which Pi is not capable of doing the job or at least, not at a satisfying level. Some examples: -CPU-intensive machine learning applications; -applications in which you want to run the same videos on many monitor (not uncommon in digital signage scenarios); -projects that involve Windows applications (meaning Windows, not Windows 10 IoT); -you need to use something that hasn't been ported yet for Raspberry Pi but only exists for the PC domain; -Arduino applications (meaning that Arduino on top of Pi sometimes may be uncomfortable).
This is not an official measurement, it has been done by a user. We are aware of the fact that there are many measurements online made by users, but they are different one another.
petty cool...but the PI3 is still cheaper and does the Odoo come with wi fi and blue tooth built in? Not that I am not impressed...the Udoo looks wicked cool and I def want one.
UDOO X86 doesn't come with Wi-Fi and BT built-in, but you can get one for a few dollars: shop.udoo.org/eu/m-2-wi-fi-intel-dual-band-ac-wi-fi-bt-4-0-5ghz-antenna-adhesive.html
It seems like there is a distinction between embedded system and single board computer. The rasp i view as an embedded system, and the udoo i view a single board computer. i like the way the foundation going, creating a single board device that can perform as well as desktop pc. In which the rasp 3 failed to do so. Anyhow, at this point developers should focus on making a stable single board computers that can run variety of open source soft and Linux distribution.
UDOO B. Live video editing. (No lag as in; when something moves in front of the camera lens, it is seen on the computer monitor in real time without aberrations or delay.)
same tactics as apple only that it is ram is it so complicated to introduce a so-dimm socket to the board what does it cost to implement is it 1$ or less ?
We prefer to present a standalone product with everything you need inside. If you want to foster digital literacy, programming, coding and tinkering among people that are not expert users you need to keep it simple.
*I don't think anyone in their right mind would get this for Windows, no offence, but I am more interested in professional application like running a small VPS server on FreeBSD platform, do you guys plan on making it compatible with FreeBSD? maybe making your own GUI on FreeBSD?.*
We are happy to contradict you: one of our developers uses UDOO X86 with Windows 10 for its day-to-day work here at the UDOO Lab, not only for the ordinary activities but also for developing. And he hasn't noticed any difference. Also, FreeBSD already works on the board, without any porting. Maybe you haven't realized, but this is an actual x86 desktop PC with 64-bit. Whatever already works on your PC will work on this machine, without any need for a porting. The architecture indeed is x86_64, the same used in powerful desktop PCs.
I don't really get these comparisons. The UDOO cost 3 times as much, is much bigger, and more a full system, where the RP3 isn't meant for that at all. So no wonder the UDOO is much faster.
'doubts' ? I don't have any doubts ? I'm just saying they're going for very different things, hence different size, specs, and prices. It's like comparing a Gameboy to an N64.
Hi Paulo, you can pre-order UDOO X86 here: shop.udoo.org/preorder-x86.html We also ship to Brazil. For what concerns your question, it totally depends on the software that you want to install on the board. UDOO X86 is a standard desktop PC anyway, so if the emulator runs on a desktop PC with the same specs it will run on UDOO X86. The board doesn't require portings or something like that, it has the same architecture of any other desktop PC - it is based on a x86_64 architecture.
Impressive. Not quite as capable as the desktop I use, but this desktop cost about two thousand dollars. That's going to cost about a hundred, maybe three hundred with a monitor and a keyboard and stuff, and the difference in what it can do is not all that great. It is difficult not to be impressed...
Yes...I need it for a PC in my truck. It'll run my Windows GPS mapping software (Delorme Street Atlas) fine. And my older version of Winamp 2.76 for my music. Programs i'm comfortable with. I'd like a lower power consumption/ cheaper SBC like the Rasp Pi3 or whatever, but i can't find any mapping software that'll run on an ARM processor. I'd put a stripped-down laptop board in the truck, but they all seem to run on 19VDC, and i'd prefer to run the comp and screen off of 12VDC or less. And a big plus is that this will play modern-ish games. Keep in mind that although i am a PC gamer, not console, i am poor and so haven't been gaming (lack of hardware) since 2000. I can get a Rasp Pi3 or Zero if i want to build a tach/ speedo/ fuel/ temp guage screen. It'll be well-suited for that.
+cptcrogge fair enough. Might get one, CSGO is like my favourite computer game, and with this I could take it to mates houses as a portable yet extremely low end gaming PC xD
or maby bether but i think its the integrated intel grapic`s that might hold it back with performance. if it had a god old nvidia or ati/amd it probly runn it on high maby :D
So basically the RPi 3 is 35$, the UDOO X86 is 125$, that is like 4x the price. and more than 4x the performance, altough the UDOO is bigger than the RPi series, It still just outperforms it, but the RPi isnt build for benchmarks, it is for retro gaming and for DIY projects and robotics, all in all both are good, depends on what you use it for.
UDOO X86 Advanced is 10 times more powerful than Raspberry Pi 3. Also, in the use cases you have called to account UDOO X86 has better performance, emulates more recent games with better quality, and embeds an Arduino, the newest Arduino 101, and Arduino is basically a must for any DIY/robotic project. Not to mention that our board is compatible with any software from the PC world.
Well, this (the UDOO x86) is certainly a fantastic single board computer. So is the Raspberry Pi 3. However this comparison is very unfair as the two boards are so very different in their specifications. It would be a more fair and relevant comparison if the Pi had similar spec's. For me the Pi still wins because of its low price point. While the UDOO x86 also wins due to its higher spec's. But both in different races. It's a bit like comparing a 100 metre runner with a marathon specialist athlete.
As we've said everywhere and even in the description of the video, we've picked Raspberry Pi as a term of comparison because every maker has had an experience with Raspberry Pi at least once, so it's a comparison you can immediately understand. Also our first project launched on Kickstarter in 2013 makes a comparison to Raspberry Pi: www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-android-linux-arduino-in-a-tiny-single-board/description Finally, the video compares a $35 Pi 3 with a $109 computer, not a $125 computer, since for the video we used a demo board of UDOO X86 Advanced, and at the time of the campaign the Advanced was available at $109.
Yes, you can run Windows :) It's an x-86 computer! You can install the standard Windows 10 that you would install on your desktop/laptop PC. For what concerns ppsspp and dreamcast emulation we haven't tried so far.
Dear Paolo, the internal row of pins is dedicated to Arduino 101. The external row of pins is connected to the internal Intel Braswell processor. More info is available here: www.seco.com/misk/UDOO_X86_datasheet.pdf
Anyway, UDOO X86 is not only a microcontroller. It combines an Intel quad core processor that does computer things and an Intel Curie-based Arduino 101-compatible microcontroller that does Arduino things.
No, although the desktop CPU you mentioned uses nearly 10x the energy for only double the PassMark performance (compared against the Intel Celeron Processor N3160 used in the UDOO X86 ADVANCED).
i would love to start seeing tv adverts for udoo.. and movie adverts.. get your name out there. use the motley crue song 'kickstart my heart' in your ad and your board will sell a million.. good luck
First of all, because you cannot get an Nvidia TX2 since it's unreleased to the general public, as you can see developer.nvidia.com/embedded/buy It's also unclear if you can buy a single unit, most likely you cannot. At most you can get your hands on a development kit of Nvidia TX2 on Amazon for $600 (www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-Jetson-TX2-Development-Kit/dp/B06XPFH939/ref=pd_sim_147_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B06XPFH939&pd_rd_r=5F4PHCM2SV9PDEFT6CZ7&pd_rd_w=g6eyz&pd_rd_wg=9wRck&psc=1&refRID=5F4PHCM2SV9PDEFT6CZ7), that is basically more than double the price of UDOO X86 Ultra. But this is not the only difference. With Nvidia TX2 you don't get an Arduino 101, which you get with our board. Finally, the main difference is the architecture: ARM vs x86. And this really has an impact on the flexibility of the board. In fact on an ARM board if you want to use a program that you already use on your PC you have to wait for a dedicated porting by Nvidia or by someone else. On UDOO X86 you just don't have this problem, because it is a real PC, and everything working on your PC will work the very same way on UDOO X86.
UDOO is very expensive toy if we are looking something for browsing\watch movie or play simple games - cheap laptop loooks much better(hp stream 11 costs about 150-160$ with win10 and 4gbRam for example). But for tasks that it's made for(prototyping, creating, programming, making some smart things, robots) - there is no such big difference between pi and udoo.
Okay, for info. Go to raspbery pi about page. www.raspberrypi.org/about/ U can also check out why R_Pi was made, from wikipedia. If any 1 wants to play dota 2 they will go for mid or high end gaming machine. No offence. UDOO is nice product, but deviates for the original idea of making a small productive computer for people who cant actually afford computer. Those people will need to learn it first. I hope I made some of my points clear.
I think the UDOO is for people that want more power and are willing to spend some extra money for it. They state that it is not a powerful gaming machine but you can use it as a Steam streaming device.
Comparing the UDOO with a RPi is silly to be fair. The RPi is for low power projects, the Intel CPU here consumes a lot more. Each has a different set of benefits depending on the project, that's why I use the tiny RPi Zero to build my mini retro console.
Actually the Intel processors we have chosen consume as little as 5 or 6 Watt, depending on the model. You can compare the processors here (from the left to the right you can see the processor of UDOO X86 Basic, Advanced and Ultra): ark.intel.com/compare/92124,91831,91830
In fact we didn't download chromium on the Pi. We used the browser which is by default on Raspbian. It's like saying "you shouldn't use Firefox on your new laptop, you should use Edge instead"
+Andrea Rovai I just stated you did not. You're agreeing with my point lol Point is, it's like using Edge instead of a fast browser like chrome. Chrome give much better performance over default browsers, and Ubuntu mate can be ran on e pi for an actual comparison. Also I've replicated your tests on my Pi 3 with a super fast SD card setup and was on par with the Udoo...
For sure UDOO has a way smaller developer community than Raspberry Pi, but if you compare the amount of software available for Raspberry Pi and the amount of software available for the PC, the second amount is likely bigger.
Hello, this is not the UDOO BOLT, this is the UDOO X86 board from our last campaign. Both the v3 and the v8 are much more powerful thn the x86. Check our kickstarter campaign at www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-bolt-raising-the-maker-world-to-the-next-leve for more detailed information
Not really a comparison is it, the pi costs less than 30 quid and is capable of more than enough for that , that said though I like the specs on your product and I would buy one if it had the community support the pi does, you see the raspberry pi 3 is not that powerful spec wise but it is supported by a worldwide community that push the little board to the limits , yes of course it's a pi killer , but so is a cheap netbook, that's not the point , price wise the raspberry pi can not be beaten , you can get a pi zero for 4 English pounds , it's more than capable to run most robotics projects or home automation, or even retro games, the 4 quid PI can even run kodi for all your media needs , it's not about power it's about support, I remember back when the eeepc came out, my friends and family laughed at me buying one because it ran Linux , within a week it was running windows Xp and running half life 1 running of the internal storage , I knew that before I bought the machine that tech geeks were going crazy waiting for this eeepc to come out so they could mess with it and make it do stuff that it wasn't designed to do, that's what I'm talking about support.
Hi Jason, and thanks for sharing such a detailed point of view. You are right when you say that the community is one of the most - if not the most - important aspects in this context. We have indeed put a lot of efforts in building not just computers, but a community around our computers. We have done and keep doing this in many ways, for example by going open source since it's easier to tinker with an open source platform than with a closed source platform. Certainly we don't have the community that Raspberry Pi has but, you know, a journey of a thousand miles always begins with a single step! If the price is what concerns you, we also got boards that cost less than $50, such as UDOO Neo Basic: shop.udoo.org/neo.html Obviously they are different products than UDOO X86. But speaking of power, it's not true that power is not important. Actually, it depends on what you want to do. If your project demands a lot of computational power in real-time you need something powerful enough. Also, UDOO X86 is not just for robotics and stuff. You can really use it as a desktop PC, it's not a marketing claim!
Don't get me wrong UDOO Team, I like your project but, as others said, you can't compare a 35USD with an about 90USD device. Otherwise people will start comparing your device with a cheap laptop or a chromebook and, honestly, you won't that.
+Alberto Rinaldo Dear Alberto, we understand your concern. We'd like to point out that this wasn't to cover Raspberry Pi in the mud, but to highlight the difference between these systems. Since Raspberry Pi is the single board computer par excellence, many people that only know Raspberry Pi and little else may ignore the difference with other systems.
Dear UDOO B. team, thank you for your reply. I believe your message didn't really got through if who is posting keeps thinking that the reason for it was to compare the two systems. All the best, Alberto
UDOO B. I definitely want a gaming multimedia streaming device with udoo on board to play games from Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, NES, SNES, Nintendo 64, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance, arcades and PS1 games. what is necessary specs for needed something portable and powerful. specs like; 4k HDMI port, USB 3.0, 720p camera and much more
UDOO X86 is going to be available on sale after we've shipped to Kickstarter backers and we've shipped preorders too - you can subscribe to the preorder mailing list here: www.udoo.org/pre-order-udoo-x86/. This means the board will be available on sale by the beginning of the next year if not by the end of this year. We can also tell you that we are on schedule for what concerns production and shipping - this is our third Kickstarter campaign so we are experienced with this. Regarding cost, it's true that UDOO X86 is more expensive than Raspberry Pi 3, but you gain what you pay for. After all it's a true desktop PC ten times more powerful than Rpi3.
We still haven't announced the price of the board after Kickstarer. Anyway, we understand that $89 is slightly more than the double of the price of Raspberry Pi 3, but we made this comparison to stress the fact that UDOO X86 is not just slightly more powerful than twice Raspberry Pi 3, but is 10 times more powerful. Moreover Raspberry Pi is the most adopted single board computer for makers, thus the comparison with Raspberry Pi comes in handy.
+UDOO B. yeh I understand that. your board is basically a fully fledged PC with gpio the pi is a low powered low cost board with gpio they both have there uses And your board is nearer 3 to 4 times the price with the $89 kickstarter being sold out.
here is a challenge for the udoo team, emulate a ps3 game.. just as a demonstration of how well the ultra will handle the strain.. also i'd be interested to know what OS would be more stable running on UDOO for emulation.. so could we see a linux v Android v Windows Showdown of the same game being run under the three separate environments please?
this is just an unfair comparison as the $35 pi will surely be inferior to the udoo. but the udoo costs $140...if your bent on android os. the Odroid Xu4 board runs more smoother and faster than udoo in android as odroid was primary designed for android OS. the Odroid XU4 is 72 dollars. yes the odd kid doesn't have Wi-Fi. but that's optional. you can get a wifi dongle for $5...there's numerous TH-cam video on odroid xu4 running games and benchmarks. infact it's the number 1 sbc board lakka recommends for gaming.
The UDOO X86 is powered by a Quad Core 64-bit Intel x86 processor, which means it can run operating systems like Windows 10. We made the comparison between the boards because the Raspberry Pi has become the system to benchmark against when it comes to maker and hobbyist boards.
UDOO B. Understandable, but you also have to look at the prices of the each board, for hobbiests and new comers getting into it, they will want a reliable board that is also a cheaper alternative, the udoo board is fantastic i do admit but for beginners they are going to want a board they can learn on and get into the hobby
Here you can find the specs of UDOO X86: www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/ Just google for the system requirements of the game you want to run and compare them with the specs of the board.
l wouldn't mind it if they deliver.. price is bit high, mean more better. simple and easy to use.. replace laptop to this one for travailing place to do edited and upload TH-cam.. yay.
Hi KcLee677, we are going to deliver in a while, we're indeed at the last mile. In March indeed we're going to start shipping UDOO X86 to Kickstarter backers, and those who've pre-ordered in April.
Maybe I have miss something,
The Raspberry Pi 3 is about 35$ and that UDOO X86 Advanced is 149$ (4 time the price !) So maybe the Pi is not that bad !
We are not saying that Pi is bad. But UDOO X86 Advanced, despite costing 4 times the price of Raspberry Pi 3, is TEN times more powerful, and every software that you use on your PC already works on UDOO X86, not to mention that with UDOO X86 you also get an Arduino 101, which would cost you another $30 alone.
UDOO B.
I understand your point, and I am new on this type of computing too !
I am just making a comment like a PC user.
But I have a project, and since my software are on Windows ... (I can try on linux but it is troublesome) so I am looking around.
And I have found 2 boards so far the UDOO and the PIN64 and a mini tiny PC build with Win10
overclocked orange if i may, I can not think that I will need a lot of board to put under or in a system just to gain power !
it is like buying 4 Fiat punto to run after a BMW that is making no sense !
But I am sure the Pi can be useful beside others. but for my project I can not managed many boards just because of that. better lower my expectation. I do not have the budget to buy 3-4 boards and a multi touch screen and manage my software on linux just for a try. better for me to look for a tiny PC sold with Windows !
overclocked orange you can also make a cluster with UDOO X86. There was even a reward tier on Kickstarter for the cluster. daniel DUCTEIL An information you may have missed: UDOO X86 doesn't come with a preinstalled OS.
UDOO B. Maybe Windows iOT can be installed for "free" you should try. Windows has a free license for small board...
Thank you for the video. Not sure why people are complaining about the comparison. SBC vs SBC. I think this should be aimed at the HTPC peeps given the price
I have been waiting so long for this. Now to save up to by a bunch of it.
I understand that they're not in the same price point, but this is a great comparison. I own a Pi now, and it's good to see if it's really worth it to pay the extra money for an udoo.
Thanks Ellery for getting the spirit of this comparison!
It is absolutely awesome that they are "competing" in technology, because this makes such huge breakthroughs!
If I cluster the UDOO (buying 2) will it be more capable to play heavy games?
You should write a dedicated software to do it (not a trivial task). But probably it's not possible at all.
can you make a building a udoo cluster video? i want to know how to cluster two of these together for emulation
also, could youdo an inhouse, unbiased benckmark video for your boards so people understand exactly where their money is going in terms of power and processing..
one last thing, is there an overclocking feature for your boards to allow tweakers and overclockers to have a go at overclocking?
lastly, any plans on up3 and will it have a socket to allow processors to be upgraded or a chance of making both intel and amd singleboard pc's with nvidia and amd chipsets as i think this would be an awesome step towards really playing with power..
perhaps also look to mediatek helioX series deca core processors as they seem to be the newest kid on the block and their x25 AND X30 HELIO PROCESSORS look the goods in terms of real playing power..
my ideal board would be:
helio x3X/x4X processor
16GB ram
SATA (keep SATA or expand em2/microSDsupport)
hdmi 2.0 with4k support/audio via hdmi
full windows/linux/android support (keep this coming)
what video surveillance software would you suggest I use on my raspberry?
I have a question regarding the Dota 2 part, What settings did you use and at what resolution to get the 25 FPS? What is the temperature of the board?
+johnyrocketfingers12 Dear, settings were standard, resolution is 1080p. We didn't test the temperature. For 25 FPS 1080p works fine.
is the board able to get surround sound through HDMI or does it need a USB sound card?
So is the UDOO running UDOObuntu2 or the first UDOOBuntu? I didn't know that it was possible to install kodi directly into UDOOBuntu. How did you do that? Regular install commands in terminal or is something else required to get it running?
None of this. What you are watching is not UDOObuntu, is the official Ubuntu. This one: www.ubuntu.com/ Regarding Kodi you are misunderstanding. You can use the program (the one you see in the video) or the distribution. The distribution is a bit better. But also the program, the one you see in the video, works really good.
For what concerns the program, it's really straightforward. You download it and execute it as any other program. You don't have to use the command line.
Ahh ok. I had no idea there was a new UDOO out. I have the older UDOO Quad, would the same OS run on the UDOO Quad with Kodi?
There is a new UDOO on Kickstarter (is not on the market, we're crowdfunding it), called UDOO X86. Take a look: bit.ly/KS-UDOOX86
UDOObuntu for UDOO QUAD won't run for UDOO X86 since UDOObuntu is for ARM, not for x86 architectures.
Would it be possible to get somekind of synthetic benchmarks comparing the UDOO x86 ULTRA and the flagship smart phones (Google Pixel, Nexus, Iphone 6 or any such performance class.. potentially nintendo 3DS too?)? I just kind of want to gauge where the performance is in relation to above the UDOO between UDOO and small desktop pc.
Hi 3Rton, unfortunately this is not possible at the moment, we're focusing on delivering right now. But we bet that once the board is available there will be many benchmarks online!
Darn. Well yeah guess I'll have to wait if you guys don't have any estimate either.
That's right!
wow im impressed!!! i planned turning a singleboard computer into a tvbox...with ambilight,nas, kodi with browser and emulators on it..
i was thinking about odroid xu4, cubiebaord4 or the pi3 and now since i saw the udoo also the udoo :D... im a beginner (but i got good skillz and learn really fast) and alot of ppl told me i should go for a pi because the community is bigger... what would you recommend? thank you
I'm in the same boat as you, I'm thinking i'm going to go with the UDOO though because yes the community is bigger for the Pi but at the same time Linux versions have to be specially made for the ARM CPU, as UDOO claims to run any x86 Linux Distribution. I'm still doing my research cause i really want to know about the RAM cause all models except the cheapest have 4GB+ RAM but 32-bit OS can only recognize up to 2GB(Unless that's just Windows)
Hi Dave! If this is the first time for you with a single board computer, we suggest you to go for UDOO X86. In fact, unlike other single board computers, you can use it exactly as you use your laptop. Any program you already use with your PC will just work on UDOO X86, with no need to wait for a porting. Basically you can use the board as a Home Theather 4K PC and later, when you feel confident, you can use it to hack the world and build stuff.
This is where to preorder: shop.udoo.org/preorder-x86.html
You are getting confused: UDOO X86 is a 64-bit computer. All the models of UDOO X86 are 64-bit. Indeed, x86 stands for x86_64
UDOO B. I finally ordered a Udo 😁 I have one question when using the Arduino... is the arduino using the power from the Udo, or does it needs a separate input? Also not sure how much volt the Udo has? 12v? But the arduino has 5v? But 3,3v signals am I getting it right?
Any possibility of a model with a PCI-E X16, X8, or X1 slot? This would offer up considerable hardware extensions including light gpus.
There's nothing in the pipeline at the moment. Anyway, together with hardware extensions also the price would increase.
How good would this be good for gaming? I am thinking about maxing out most games out there or should I stick to my current pc (My current pc has Intel Core i7 and gtx 980 and 64 gbs of ram)
You should stick to your current PC for gaming. UDOO X86 is worse than your PC speaking of gaming, because it's meant for other things - for makers and everyday users.
UDOO B. I also have another question would this be able to have a blu ray drive ?
Broadly speaking yes, of course - but to be correct we have to say that it depends on the peripheral that you want to attach. Are there drivers? To reassure you we can tell you that we chose a processor whose drivers are already supported, so there shouldn't be any problem.
Of course, it's a desktop computer after all :)
Hi I would like to make the UDOO X86 it into a muli tuner for local tv stations then run my 4 kodi boxs to it so i can watch hd on hdtv at the same time will this let me do that? i have 6 HD TV IN THE HOUSE WITH 1GB INTERNET
I have a very important question, Looking at the different models of the UDOO and all models except for the cheapest one have 4GB+ RAM but since 32-bit OS can only recognize 2GB of RAM will the extra be wasted?
Why have you assumed the OS is a 32-bit OS? It's a wrong assumption. UDOO X86 is a x86_64 computer, in other words it is a 64-bit computer.
My bad, x86(32-bit) was why i assumed it could only use 32-bit
Got it. Actually you're not the only one that has made this wrong assumption, so don't you worry, at least you're in good company :)
Nice comparison........
Compare this. how long will the udoo last on a 8000mah solor powered battery. xD
compared to the raspberry pi 3
and while you are at it.. go compare arm vs x32
UDOO X86 has 64 bit, not 32.
intel x86_64. not a hater just not an intel fan haha
Can you guys also make a video showing the Steam in-home streaming? I saw on the Kickstarter page someone said it can run it at 1080p 60Frames
+johnyrocketfingers12 Dear, yes, with Steam in-home streaming the game on your connected UDOO X86 goes at the same FPS of the streaming machine.
The web browser in the RPI wasnt Chrome, it may explain freezing and slow loading.
Will the udoo x86 (Standard, Advanced, Ultra)be powerfull enough to transcode 1080p on plex Media Server or 1080i/p live TV?
+Kevin K No problem for 1080p Live TV. For what concerns Plex Media Server we don't know, we have to test it.
+UDOO B. You mean 1080p TV Playback or live transcode, i meaned to transcode a 1080p so that u can watch it on your Smartphone with LTE connection an 4mbit instead of the normal ~20mbit for a 1080i Stream. Dont Know if this was clear
Yes, theoretically it should be able to.
hi, how about the audio capabilities? asio tested with external devices? (sorry for bad english)
Here's the datasheet with the info you're looking for: seco.com/misk/UDOO_X86_datasheet.pdf
We have tested the audio both with speakers, HDMI and heaphones and works fine.
thanks alot! anyone can test with latencymon? www.resplendence.com/latencymon im planing to do a "portable guitar fx" with line 6 podfarm software and udoo x86
No one can test with latencymon. At the moment UDOO X86 is not available on the market.
ok thanks
You're welcome.
Most important information was missing from this comparison, what is price of UDOO X86. BTW, smart to compare only available software for UDOO X86, because if you went with all software, it would be the same like asking for ultraHD video for RPi - not available.
While you at it, can you compare it to RPi Zero?
+RoMage Dear RoMage, the video is part of a series of video updates on Kickstarter about UDOO X86. You can compare price by yourself. Here's the URL of the Kickstarter campaign: www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-x86-the-most-powerful-maker-board-ever What do you mean when you say "smart to compare only available software for UDOO X86"? The available software for UDOO X86 are nothing less than the available software for the PC domain. It is an x86_64 machine.
+UDOO B. I rememeber talk about kickstarter for x86, and was interested until this video. x86 is in between cheap computers and RPi. I just bought laptop/tablet for 200 dollars (lenovo yoga) with quad core processor, 2 GB ram and 32GB internal ram, including keyboard and 10" screen. - how does this board compare to that tablet that comes with Win10 license?
What OS do you plan to support with drivers? (Win9x? or older?)
Dear RoMage, the laptop/tablet you quoted, on sale for $200, does not have 32 GB of internal RAM, it has instead 32 GB of eMMC. For 9 dollars more UDOO X86 ULTRA has only 8 GB eMMC, but four times the RAM. By the way you can compare it by yourself, thanks to this service provided by Intel, at this URL: ark.intel.com/it/compare/92124,91830,91831,80270 As you can see UDOO X86 is way better in terms of power. Speaking of OS, there won't be problems in terms of drivers. Windows 10, Linux (any distro) and Android will work fine on UDOO X86. Windows 7 will work, but you need a different procedure to install it. Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 work without problems.
+UDOO B. Sorry, my mistake, 2GB RAM, 32GB is internal SSD HD. So, touch screen, keyboard with touchpad, excellent battery life and runs all windows programs I tried... well worth money... and don't get me wrong, it is wrong to compare that with this project just the same as comparing 35 dollar RPi with it.
No older version of windows supported? (something I would be interested, for retro-gaming stuff)
We don't know yet for what concerns your last question. Regarding the comparison, the meaning of this comparison is exactly to make people understand that not all maker boards are equal. It is not that obvious. We hope you understand the spirit of this comparison, which is not to be offensive.
wow so i can replace my old pc with this and watch 4k videos too great job,
would the out put resolution be 4k if i install windows
Yes, the resolution can go up to 4K
can it run minecraft while recording in 1080p60fps using obs? also can it edit 1080p videos?
To answer this question we need a test and at the moment we cannot test any kind of thing. The first Kickstarter backers will receive the boards in days, so it's just a matter of time to get these answers.
Broadly speaking, the board is a PC, and if your computer can do it, and if the board meets the system requirement of the thing you want to do, then there's no problem. To understand if it meets the system requirements just compare the system requirements of the thing you want to run with the specs of UDOO X86, that you can find at our website: www.udoo.org/download/files/datasheets/udoo_x86_datasheet.pdf
is there any official openelec or libreelec version for UDOO X86?
i want this one for kodi.
is it possible to output DTS sound VIA spdif?
You don't need an official openelec or libreelec distribution, you can just use the already available distribution for generic x86 PCs: openelec.tv/get-openelec That's the beauty of UDOO X86: that all the resources for the PC world are compatible!
+UDOO B. what about sound output via spdif?
Sound output via spdif is supported as you can see here: www.udoo.org/download/files/datasheets/udoo_x86_datasheet.pdf
Hi,
how this would work as a home NAS Server?
can you connect bunch of disks in RAID mode to it?
Would you be able to try a eGpu adaptor card so you can run a dedicated external graphics card and try some games and a bluray player.
As we've said on Kickstarter, the PCI express has only 2 lanes and this represents a bottleneck for the kind of attached eGPU you can exploit. In other words, your UDOO X86 won't become a PS4 :) For the video, sorry but now we're focused on the development.
+UDOO B. Thank you for your response, would a usb pcmcia card reader work because I have sound card that's pcmcia and it rocks.
Can the udoo x86 ultra be connected to a external graphics card? I'm not the most technologically savvy person, but I am interested in the udoo x86 ultra.
And if so which card would be recommended
You can, but it won't provide the boost that you expect. GPUs traditionally have 16 lanes or more, while the PCI express on the M2 slot, to which you would attach such GPU, has 2 lanes - and this represents a bottleneck.
UDOO B. Wow thanks for the speedy reply! Well I'm looking to make it a top tier gaming machine. I just want to insure the games I do play can meet a playable standard.
Good to know! We too are working on a project about gaming :) You will hear more about this!
Nvidia GTX 750 Ti a member posted this graphics card on a recommendation I like it!
on the KS campaign, theres a graph showing the benchmarks on all the maker boards, the UDOO x86 10x the power than the UDOO Quad.
my question is, it shows the UDOO Quad for $135 on the site and the x86 being dramatically faster, why is it starting at $89? shouldn't it cost relatively more than the UDOO Quad?
gratz on the goal guys. cheers
You are comparing the most powerful model of a Kickstarter campaign of 2013 (UDOO QUAD) with the least powerful model offered in early bird (that is, discounted) of a Kickstarter campaign of 2016.
when is the x86 available in stock? have been pre-order a long time now
Hi there Mikael! We're going to start shipping pre-ordered items the first week of April, or eventually the last week of March if we manage to ship to all our Kickstarter backers by that time. We're sorry for this waiting, and we thank you for your patience :) We promise that the board will live up to your expectations.
Thx for the answer. Will give this a lot of thought.
Someone has asked about the power consumption. We have not done any serious test yet for what regards power consumption, but with the average browsing experience the board consumes about 10 W or less. The processors consume as little as 5 or 6 W, depending on the model. You can doublecheck this last info and compare the three models on the Ark Intel Website: ark.intel.com/compare/92124,91831,91830
With original powersupply it will drain 36W = 12V * 3A from the mains..
No, actually this IS NOT the power consumption, it is just the maximum amount of Watt provided by the power supply.
Why say no? Is't the specifications of original power supply. Yeah ok with cos phi & efficiency coefficient of transformer you might see it can drain around 40 watt. Don't be shame of that, it is (fast) computing. I'm sure it will suite for some projects very well. What is the correct specifications of the power supply?
No, because it's the *maximum* the power supply can provide. I'm pretty sure you're not letting it do benchmarks all the day (even then I hope the power supply is providing a bit more than what's actually needed), so your actual average power consumption is way lower than that.
Ok thx +Moritz, I see UDOO B.'s view point. I think I was trying to act as private consumer that will consider using the device, I would like to know how much it will costs me running that, I'm talking mains from wall. That dirty tax, people like me have to pay. And yes I'm sure too that the actual usage of power of the computer-board is low. If you are using the original powersupply it will drain almost the same power from mains regardless device is ON or even if your computer-board is not connected to the original power supply. Customer like me would (maybe) buy the original power supply only to test the computer-board. When the computerboard is installed on it's work location it will be connected to multiswichmode powersupply that can cover other instruments (sensors, robotics) as well. I like this small computers, they have so many possible applications. No I think I have to say that I love them :)
HI
Why the prices
of the udoo x86 card are not the same as
those announced on kickstarter.
Actually this is common for Kickstarter projects. Also, it's common for a new product to be discounted at launch.
you are right
I often see this on kickstarter projects
Hey Udoo, what about the comparison of price?
The comparison of price, at least for what concerns the Kickstarter campaign, still is to our advantage: UDOO X86 Basic Model costs slightly more than the double of the price of Raspberry Pi 3 but is 10 times more powerful.
While I do understand that one is better than the other, one is built for a different set of tasks than the other. You can't expect a Volvo to do what Ferrari can do. One is family vehicle material and the other is meant for sport.
Hello, we can use two touch screen like a Nintendo DS with this?
Nintendo DS has only one touch screen, the other is a non-touch screen. You can of course attach two touch screens, but it would be like attaching two mouse to the same computer. What are you planning to build?
Raspberry Pi as in a slice of Raspberry "Pie". Raspberry P.I. makes me think you're talking about a new Tom Selleck Private Investigations show like Magnum P.I.
Udoo posted video on May 6,2016, still not available (only pre-order), waiting a little more and will be one year.
Why is taking so long ?
Hi Blob. The board should have been shipped in November, December for those ordering UDOO X86 Ultra, and you can double-check this information on Kickstarter: kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-x86-the-most-powerful-maker-board-ever Shippings will actually start on March 10, as we have declared on Kickstarter: www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-x86-the-most-powerful-maker-board-ever/posts/1788329 So we are 4 months late, not 1 year late. You can read the whole story of this delay on Kickstarter, through several updates: kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-x86-the-most-powerful-maker-board-ever/updates Long story short, during the Kickstarter campaign we announced that, as first Stretch Goal, we will have supported PCI express on M2 slot. The redesign that was necessary to support this additional feature - which has been added for free for all backers - should have been a fast thing to do, instead it took more time than expected.
Thanks for your quick answer
You're welcome!
whats fancinating me for this is X86 sounds interesting. but what grapic card has it intel integrated? and can a windows xp or windows 98 runn. but still a X86 instead of arm :D
No, because drivers are not supported. Obviously you can write the drivers by yourself if you are willing to :)
UDOO B. oh i see.but windows 7 works fine or do i need to use steam os?
With Windows 7 there may be problems of drivers, you have to go for Windows 10.
UDOO B. oh ok i see :)
There seriously needs to be win 7 drivers, that is the last decent windows os.
The chip in the Pi was developed for portable (battery powered) video processing and computing so low power was a key goal.
That's why the ARM dominates mobile phones and not the X86 line. I notice the UDOO has a big heat sink, while the Pi needs none. The Pi allows people to build it into things like battery-driven drones or cars.
Low power is a key goal also for UDOO X86, that consumes just a fraction of a common desktop PC.
Also, things are changing since Intel started releasing low-consumption processors such as the ones we use for UDOO X86.
The processor on board in fact consumes as little as 5 or 6 Watt, depending on the model, and you can double check this info on the website of the manufacturer, i.e. Intel ark.intel.com/compare/92124,91831,91830
Desktop PC: 65 to 240 W.
UDOO: 5 or 6 W.
R-Pi: 0.8 to 1.1 W.
So the power is a factor of ten between a PC and UDOO, and a factor of 6 between UDOO and a Pi.
When I have access to mains, power is not important, I use my PC or laptop.
When I do not have mains, and use batteries, power IS an issue. I'll use a Pi.
For example, in solar-powered projects, electric flight projects, robotics, and portable entertainment.
The right machine for a job depends on the job.
For example, big cars were okay in 50's USA - space was plentiful and fuel was cheap.
But then oil prices rose and many older countries have smaller roads and garages.
The USA didn't adapt, and now Detroit collapsed.
Likewise, a 6W processor isn't practical in a mobile phone for example, because it would need a big heatsink or get too hot to hold.
The UDOO has a market for applications where the Pi is not enough and the extra power is available for the higher price.
1) Where did you find the power consumption of Raspberry Pi? Because we haven't found any official info on this, only measures made by the community going from 0.something up to 3.5 Watt and beyond.
2) As you have said, UDOO X86 shines in those situations in which Pi is not capable of doing the job or at least, not at a satisfying level.
Some examples:
-CPU-intensive machine learning applications;
-applications in which you want to run the same videos on many monitor (not uncommon in digital signage scenarios);
-projects that involve Windows applications (meaning Windows, not Windows 10 IoT);
-you need to use something that hasn't been ported yet for Raspberry Pi but only exists for the PC domain;
-Arduino applications (meaning that Arduino on top of Pi sometimes may be uncomfortable).
www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/raspberry-pi-zero-power
This is not an official measurement, it has been done by a user. We are aware of the fact that there are many measurements online made by users, but they are different one another.
petty cool...but the PI3 is still cheaper and does the Odoo come with wi fi and blue tooth built in? Not that I am not impressed...the Udoo looks wicked cool and I def want one.
UDOO X86 doesn't come with Wi-Fi and BT built-in, but you can get one for a few dollars: shop.udoo.org/eu/m-2-wi-fi-intel-dual-band-ac-wi-fi-bt-4-0-5ghz-antenna-adhesive.html
It seems like there is a distinction between embedded system and single board computer. The rasp i view as an embedded system, and the udoo i view a single board computer. i like the way the foundation going, creating a single board device that can perform as well as desktop pc. In which the rasp 3 failed to do so. Anyhow, at this point developers should focus on making a stable single board computers that can run variety of open source soft and Linux distribution.
The UDOO X86 can run a variety of distros, like Debian Stretch and Ubuntu
does anyobe know anything that could run win98 and its drivers for grqphics/sound?
Can I use this for computer gaming shop?
what are we looking at in the way of a graphics processor here? just quick and dirty Intel HD graphics with a 320 MHz clock?
actually the board in the video doesn't have 320MHz clock... take a look www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/
which one is it because the basic has a 320MHz graphics clock.
As written in the information that you can find below the video, the video is about a demo board of UDOO X86 Advanced.
ah okay, i guess i had not read down that far.
Can this board handle photo and video processing without lag?
Can you be more specific?
UDOO B.
Live video editing. (No lag as in; when something moves in front of the camera lens, it is seen on the computer monitor in real time without aberrations or delay.)
We're going to make such a comparison when we are further ahead with the work on developing the board.
Can it run Vulkan and/or OpenGL 4+?
Just compare the system requirements of that programs with UDOO X86 specs: www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/
same tactics as apple only that it is ram is it so complicated to introduce a so-dimm socket to the board what does it cost to implement is it 1$ or less ?
We prefer to present a standalone product with everything you need inside. If you want to foster digital literacy, programming, coding and tinkering among people that are not expert users you need to keep it simple.
*I don't think anyone in their right mind would get this for Windows, no offence, but I am more interested in professional application like running a small VPS server on FreeBSD platform, do you guys plan on making it compatible with FreeBSD? maybe making your own GUI on FreeBSD?.*
We are happy to contradict you: one of our developers uses UDOO X86 with Windows 10 for its day-to-day work here at the UDOO Lab, not only for the ordinary activities but also for developing. And he hasn't noticed any difference.
Also, FreeBSD already works on the board, without any porting. Maybe you haven't realized, but this is an actual x86 desktop PC with 64-bit. Whatever already works on your PC will work on this machine, without any need for a porting. The architecture indeed is x86_64, the same used in powerful desktop PCs.
hmm
question, what do you mean by _this is an actual x86 desktop PC with 64-bit._ it is 32bit, what does it have that is 64bit?
I want to see UDOO X86 vs LattePana comparison.
Probably when both platforms will be available someone will shoot a video about such comparison
I don't really get these comparisons. The UDOO cost 3 times as much, is much bigger, and more a full system, where the RP3 isn't meant for that at all. So no wonder the UDOO is much faster.
You'll find the answers to these doubts everywhere on this page
Yes UCAN
Sure!
You're welcome William! Also, thanks for your good words :)
'doubts' ?
I don't have any doubts ?
I'm just saying they're going for very different things, hence different size, specs, and prices.
It's like comparing a Gameboy to an N64.
Quero compra, pode me indicar um site de loja que faça envio para o Brasil ? Ele também aceita instalação de emuladores : Dreamcast, PSP, PS2, etc. ?
Hi Paulo, you can pre-order UDOO X86 here: shop.udoo.org/preorder-x86.html We also ship to Brazil. For what concerns your question, it totally depends on the software that you want to install on the board. UDOO X86 is a standard desktop PC anyway, so if the emulator runs on a desktop PC with the same specs it will run on UDOO X86. The board doesn't require portings or something like that, it has the same architecture of any other desktop PC - it is based on a x86_64 architecture.
Impressive. Not quite as capable as the desktop I use, but this desktop cost about two thousand dollars. That's going to cost about a hundred, maybe three hundred with a monitor and a keyboard and stuff, and the difference in what it can do is not all that great. It is difficult not to be impressed...
Yes...I need it for a PC in my truck. It'll run my Windows GPS mapping software (Delorme Street Atlas) fine. And my older version of Winamp 2.76 for my music. Programs i'm comfortable with. I'd like a lower power consumption/ cheaper SBC like the Rasp Pi3 or whatever, but i can't find any mapping software that'll run on an ARM processor. I'd put a stripped-down laptop board in the truck, but they all seem to run on 19VDC, and i'd prefer to run the comp and screen off of 12VDC or less.
And a big plus is that this will play modern-ish games. Keep in mind that although i am a PC gamer, not console, i am poor and so haven't been gaming (lack of hardware) since 2000.
I can get a Rasp Pi3 or Zero if i want to build a tach/ speedo/ fuel/ temp guage screen. It'll be well-suited for that.
Can is run CS:GO? If assume it couldn't In 1080, but maybe 720?
We've never tried it.
CS:GO runs on older Celeron CPUs so it should work also here, on low details of course.
+cptcrogge fair enough. Might get one, CSGO is like my favourite computer game, and with this I could take it to mates houses as a portable yet extremely low end gaming PC xD
or maby bether but i think its the integrated intel grapic`s that might hold it back with performance.
if it had a god old nvidia or ati/amd it probly runn it on high maby :D
If you are nerdy and have an active cooler maybe oc it?
So basically the RPi 3 is 35$, the UDOO X86 is 125$, that is like 4x the price. and more than 4x the performance, altough the UDOO is bigger than the RPi series, It still just outperforms it, but the RPi isnt build for benchmarks, it is for retro gaming and for DIY projects and robotics, all in all both are good, depends on what you use it for.
UDOO X86 Advanced is 10 times more powerful than Raspberry Pi 3. Also, in the use cases you have called to account UDOO X86 has better performance, emulates more recent games with better quality, and embeds an Arduino, the newest Arduino 101, and Arduino is basically a must for any DIY/robotic project. Not to mention that our board is compatible with any software from the PC world.
Well, this (the UDOO x86) is certainly a fantastic single board computer. So is the Raspberry Pi 3. However this comparison is very unfair as the two boards are so very different in their specifications. It would be a more fair and relevant comparison if the Pi had similar spec's. For me the Pi still wins because of its low price point. While the UDOO x86 also wins due to its higher spec's. But both in different races. It's a bit like comparing a 100 metre runner with a marathon specialist athlete.
why would you compare a 35$ Pi3 to an udoo 125$ it doesnt make any sense this comparison is stupid!
MrZones21 $149, he is using the advanced model, basic is 125,so it makes it even more stupid to compare with pi
As we've said everywhere and even in the description of the video, we've picked Raspberry Pi as a term of comparison because every maker has had an experience with Raspberry Pi at least once, so it's a comparison you can immediately understand. Also our first project launched on Kickstarter in 2013 makes a comparison to Raspberry Pi: www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-android-linux-arduino-in-a-tiny-single-board/description
Finally, the video compares a $35 Pi 3 with a $109 computer, not a $125 computer, since for the video we used a demo board of UDOO X86 Advanced, and at the time of the campaign the Advanced was available at $109.
We can accept that you don't get it, don't you worry.
well I think you need to either update the video or remove it, you guys are just misleading people.
this comparison video is about card sized computers , not about the prices
can run on it ppsspp and dreamcast emulator as mame? also can install even windows on it ?
Yes, you can run Windows :) It's an x-86 computer! You can install the standard Windows 10 that you would install on your desktop/laptop PC. For what concerns ppsspp and dreamcast emulation we haven't tried so far.
A ok can run also windows 7 on it?
There are probably issues with the drivers for Windows 7. For Windows 10 instead there are no issues.
A ok thanks . I will order one of them for the end of the month. Can be shipped to japan also?
Yes, we also ship to Japan.
i think the udoo x86 is like an android wich is a bit more simpler and rasperryyyyy is just cheaper and first so its better not chamging any thing
They are microcontroller not pc emulator, what's the UDOO X86 pin connectivity?
Dear Paolo, the internal row of pins is dedicated to Arduino 101. The external row of pins is connected to the internal Intel Braswell processor. More info is available here: www.seco.com/misk/UDOO_X86_datasheet.pdf
Anyway, UDOO X86 is not only a microcontroller. It combines an Intel quad core processor that does computer things and an Intel Curie-based Arduino 101-compatible microcontroller that does Arduino things.
UDOO B. Thanks for the specify.
can I pay games on this like I could with the pi?
No, better: you can play more recent games, and all the emulation platforms that exist for PC are compatible.
This UDOO is more powerful then Intel Celeron G3900?
No, although the desktop CPU you mentioned uses nearly 10x the energy for only double the PassMark performance (compared against the Intel Celeron Processor N3160 used in the UDOO X86 ADVANCED).
i would love to start seeing tv adverts for udoo.. and movie adverts.. get your name out there.
use the motley crue song 'kickstart my heart' in your ad and your board will sell a million.. good luck
Dual touch monitor support?
Yes, there it is via USB.
Why should I get this over the Nvidia TX2?
First of all, because you cannot get an Nvidia TX2 since it's unreleased to the general public, as you can see developer.nvidia.com/embedded/buy It's also unclear if you can buy a single unit, most likely you cannot. At most you can get your hands on a development kit of Nvidia TX2 on Amazon for $600 (www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-Jetson-TX2-Development-Kit/dp/B06XPFH939/ref=pd_sim_147_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B06XPFH939&pd_rd_r=5F4PHCM2SV9PDEFT6CZ7&pd_rd_w=g6eyz&pd_rd_wg=9wRck&psc=1&refRID=5F4PHCM2SV9PDEFT6CZ7), that is basically more than double the price of UDOO X86 Ultra.
But this is not the only difference. With Nvidia TX2 you don't get an Arduino 101, which you get with our board.
Finally, the main difference is the architecture: ARM vs x86. And this really has an impact on the flexibility of the board. In fact on an ARM board if you want to use a program that you already use on your PC you have to wait for a dedicated porting by Nvidia or by someone else. On UDOO X86 you just don't have this problem, because it is a real PC, and everything working on your PC will work the very same way on UDOO X86.
Looks way, way better than that Khadas vim bs.
is there any possible way to install Xbox OS on it ?
As far as we know the sources of Xbox's software are copyrighted and so are not available online.
do you mean emulate an XBOX? guess you'll have to buy one and find out.
89$ vs 30$ Mmmm
UDOO is very expensive toy if we are looking something for browsing\watch movie or play simple games - cheap laptop loooks much better(hp stream 11 costs about 150-160$ with win10 and 4gbRam for example). But for tasks that it's made for(prototyping, creating, programming, making some smart things, robots) - there is no such big difference between pi and udoo.
i know, my english is bad :)
what about UP board vs udoo x86 ultra?
UDOO X86 is certainly more powerful than UP board. You can understand it just by reading the specs.
Okay, for info. Go to raspbery pi about page. www.raspberrypi.org/about/
U can also check out why R_Pi was made, from wikipedia. If any 1 wants to play dota 2 they will go for mid or high end gaming machine. No offence.
UDOO is nice product, but deviates for the original idea of making a small productive computer for people who cant actually afford computer. Those people will need to learn it first. I hope I made some of my points clear.
Or maybe you just miss the point that the purpose of UDOO X86 is not to play DOTA 2.
I think the UDOO is for people that want more power and are willing to spend some extra money for it. They state that it is not a powerful gaming machine but you can use it as a Steam streaming device.
Comparing the UDOO with a RPi is silly to be fair. The RPi is for low power projects, the Intel CPU here consumes a lot more. Each has a different set of benefits depending on the project, that's why I use the tiny RPi Zero to build my mini retro console.
Actually the Intel processors we have chosen consume as little as 5 or 6 Watt, depending on the model. You can compare the processors here (from the left to the right you can see the processor of UDOO X86 Basic, Advanced and Ultra): ark.intel.com/compare/92124,91831,91830
Well, if u get something for free, you abuse it..... people will play dota 2 on it.....
You don't download chromium on the Pi... Also, you should have ran ubuntu mate on the pi...
In fact we didn't download chromium on the Pi. We used the browser which is by default on Raspbian. It's like saying "you shouldn't use Firefox on your new laptop, you should use Edge instead"
+Andrea Rovai I just stated you did not. You're agreeing with my point lol Point is, it's like using Edge instead of a fast browser like chrome. Chrome give much better performance over default browsers, and Ubuntu mate can be ran on e pi for an actual comparison. Also I've replicated your tests on my Pi 3 with a super fast SD card setup and was on par with the Udoo...
Can it play HD on Netflix??
Sure!
a developer community comparison?
For sure UDOO has a way smaller developer community than Raspberry Pi, but if you compare the amount of software available for Raspberry Pi and the amount of software available for the PC, the second amount is likely bigger.
The difference might be because of the software installed.
Yes, you're right: despite we've run heavier software with UDOO X86, still UDOO X86 is faster :)
Is that v3 or v8?
Hello, this is not the UDOO BOLT, this is the UDOO X86 board from our last campaign. Both the v3 and the v8 are much more powerful thn the x86. Check our kickstarter campaign at www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-bolt-raising-the-maker-world-to-the-next-leve for more detailed information
Not really a comparison is it, the pi costs less than 30 quid and is capable of more than enough for that , that said though I like the specs on your product and I would buy one if it had the community support the pi does, you see the raspberry pi 3 is not that powerful spec wise but it is supported by a worldwide community that push the little board to the limits , yes of course it's a pi killer , but so is a cheap netbook, that's not the point , price wise the raspberry pi can not be beaten , you can get a pi zero for 4 English pounds , it's more than capable to run most robotics projects or home automation, or even retro games, the 4 quid PI can even run kodi for all your media needs , it's not about power it's about support, I remember back when the eeepc came out, my friends and family laughed at me buying one because it ran Linux , within a week it was running windows Xp and running half life 1 running of the internal storage , I knew that before I bought the machine that tech geeks were going crazy waiting for this eeepc to come out so they could mess with it and make it do stuff that it wasn't designed to do, that's what I'm talking about support.
Hi Jason, and thanks for sharing such a detailed point of view.
You are right when you say that the community is one of the most - if not the most - important aspects in this context. We have indeed put a lot of efforts in building not just computers, but a community around our computers. We have done and keep doing this in many ways, for example by going open source since it's easier to tinker with an open source platform than with a closed source platform. Certainly we don't have the community that Raspberry Pi has but, you know, a journey of a thousand miles always begins with a single step!
If the price is what concerns you, we also got boards that cost less than $50, such as UDOO Neo Basic: shop.udoo.org/neo.html Obviously they are different products than UDOO X86.
But speaking of power, it's not true that power is not important. Actually, it depends on what you want to do. If your project demands a lot of computational power in real-time you need something powerful enough.
Also, UDOO X86 is not just for robotics and stuff. You can really use it as a desktop PC, it's not a marketing claim!
You have to be kidding comparing PI 3 to x86
+Nua Nicaj The aim of this video is exactly this: showing to non-tech guys that UDOO X86 is a quantum leap compared to Raspberry Pi 3.
Don't get me wrong UDOO Team, I like your project but, as others said, you can't compare a 35USD with an about 90USD device. Otherwise people will start comparing your device with a cheap laptop or a chromebook and, honestly, you won't that.
+Alberto Rinaldo Dear Alberto, we understand your concern. We'd like to point out that this wasn't to cover Raspberry Pi in the mud, but to highlight the difference between these systems. Since Raspberry Pi is the single board computer par excellence, many people that only know Raspberry Pi and little else may ignore the difference with other systems.
Dear UDOO B. team, thank you for your reply. I believe your message didn't really got through if who is posting keeps thinking that the reason for it was to compare the two systems. All the best, Alberto
UDOO B. I definitely want a gaming multimedia streaming device with udoo on board to play games from Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, NES, SNES, Nintendo 64, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance, arcades and PS1 games. what is necessary specs for needed something portable and powerful. specs like; 4k HDMI port, USB 3.0, 720p camera and much more
sono due single board totalmente differenti, il test è falsato le architetture hardware sono molto differenti cosi come i costi....
the big problem with this,you can't buy a udoo x86,there not out yet , who knows when they will be, and 2 cost, the raspberry is 2 1/2 times cheaper.
UDOO X86 is going to be available on sale after we've shipped to Kickstarter backers and we've shipped preorders too - you can subscribe to the preorder mailing list here: www.udoo.org/pre-order-udoo-x86/. This means the board will be available on sale by the beginning of the next year if not by the end of this year. We can also tell you that we are on schedule for what concerns production and shipping - this is our third Kickstarter campaign so we are experienced with this. Regarding cost, it's true that UDOO X86 is more expensive than Raspberry Pi 3, but you gain what you pay for. After all it's a true desktop PC ten times more powerful than Rpi3.
So I'm going to buy a Raspberry Pi 3 , save your money haha
Do as you like :)
That’s not a fair comparison, 40$ against 200$ device
$35 vs $89 obviously the pi will lose every test
and how much will UDOO be after K$tarter?
We still haven't announced the price of the board after Kickstarer. Anyway, we understand that $89 is slightly more than the double of the price of Raspberry Pi 3, but we made this comparison to stress the fact that UDOO X86 is not just slightly more powerful than twice Raspberry Pi 3, but is 10 times more powerful. Moreover Raspberry Pi is the most adopted single board computer for makers, thus the comparison with Raspberry Pi comes in handy.
+UDOO B. yeh I understand that.
your board is basically a fully fledged PC with gpio
the pi is a low powered low cost board with gpio
they both have there uses
And your board is nearer 3 to 4 times the price with the $89 kickstarter being sold out.
not fair at all, is like comparing a Porsche Carrera to a entry level Honda civic.
It's can play Dota2, sold
thats a good thing but can it run the dota 2 now
bunnyfreakz it can games on Udoo x86?!?!
bunnyfreakz buuuuuut can it play crisis :)?
Was sold until I saw the price, Especially of the accessories. Yikes!
$60 for a 7 inch touch monitor, lol.
will udoo run mame emulator?
Yes
here is a challenge for the udoo team,
emulate a ps3 game.. just as a demonstration of how well the ultra will handle the strain.. also i'd be interested to know what OS would be more stable running on UDOO for emulation.. so could we see a linux v Android v Windows Showdown of the same game being run under the three separate environments please?
this is just an unfair comparison as the $35 pi will surely be inferior to the udoo. but the udoo costs $140...if your bent on android os. the Odroid Xu4 board runs more smoother and faster than udoo in android as odroid was primary designed for android OS. the Odroid XU4 is 72 dollars. yes the odd kid doesn't have Wi-Fi. but that's optional. you can get a wifi dongle for $5...there's numerous TH-cam video on odroid xu4 running games and benchmarks. infact it's the number 1 sbc board lakka recommends for gaming.
To be honest this wasn't meant to show off, but to demonstrate the capabilities of the board with a term of comparison that everybody knows.
Your comparing watermelons to oranges, 125$ to 35$, the pi3 for the price is worth every penny, it has the same capabilities
The UDOO X86 is powered by a Quad Core 64-bit Intel x86 processor, which means it can run operating systems like Windows 10. We made the comparison between the boards because the Raspberry Pi has become the system to benchmark against when it comes to maker and hobbyist boards.
UDOO B. Understandable, but you also have to look at the prices of the each board, for hobbiests and new comers getting into it, they will want a reliable board that is also a cheaper alternative, the udoo board is fantastic i do admit but for beginners they are going to want a board they can learn on and get into the hobby
Raspberry pi | 40$
Udoo x86 | 149$
Hope Raspberry pi 4 will support 4k :D
New Nintendo 3DS XL = $200,
PS4 Pro = $400
They are not the same price and same target...
I'm Gonna buy a UDOO.. it's faster than my desktop lol
BUT DOES IT RUN CRYSIS?
Here you can find the specs of UDOO X86: www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/
Just google for the system requirements of the game you want to run and compare them with the specs of the board.
The UDOO X86 is the best i like it but I can not buy because it costs a lot of money
do antutu benchmark
next week comparsion with highend i7 gaming pc vs. raspberry pi (spoiler: the pc is faster)
can it play Dota 2 60fps??
You can play Dota 2, but we have not done a full performance test with that game. Expect around 24 fps.
UDOO B. wow that's good actually thanks for the info (y)
Kinda unfair.. x86 on low end chips is always slow
l wouldn't mind it if they deliver.. price is bit high, mean more better. simple and easy to use..
replace laptop to this one for travailing place to do edited and upload TH-cam.. yay.
Hi KcLee677, we are going to deliver in a while, we're indeed at the last mile. In March indeed we're going to start shipping UDOO X86 to Kickstarter backers, and those who've pre-ordered in April.
compare it to the GPD win. if it has the same or greater performance..ill know what im getting lol
We have stopped with comparisons. Soon the board will be available!
can i emulate xbox one?
Just compare the system requirements of the program you want with UDOO X86 specs: www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/