Oded Lipschits | The Myth of the Empty Land and The Myth of the Mass Return

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  • @lakshmangunasekara9401
    @lakshmangunasekara9401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks like brilliant scholarly research - and a superbly designed presentation. What quality! Thank you TOI! I loved it. Encore!!

  • @paul6925
    @paul6925 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That lion stamp gave me a craving for gingerbread 😂 11:20

  • @avtaras
    @avtaras ปีที่แล้ว

    6:19 Where is this from?? Who is depicted

  • @christianfrommuslim
    @christianfrommuslim ปีที่แล้ว +2

    More evidence has arisen regarding the Exodus and Conquest, some even in the past year. Here is what I have correlated from classic and recent findings. (I'm not an archaeologist, but studied it in university and after.)
    SPECIFIC EVIDENCE: "City of Ramses" mentioned in Exodus is a back-naming of Avaris, like New York for New Amsterdam. There, Manfred Bitek excavations has found much evidence of Semites during what is called the "Early Chronology" of the Exodus (1446 B.C.).
    Amenhotep II was the pharaoh at the time of Moses. Here is the abridged quote from Manetho 3rd C B.C.E. re: the pharaoh of the Exodus, as quoted by Josephus in 1st C A.D. “… of their (Egypt’s) principal writers … Manetho... an Egyptian... his very words... they built a city that is called Jerusalem… and Amenophis (Greek for Amenhotep) king of Egypt…”
    This early chronology also fits with:
    The Mount Ebal curse tablet, inscriptions just published in 2022, 2023 A.D. (Joshua 8)
    Scarabs found in conquest sites fit with early date - Amenhotep, Hatshepsut
    The timing of the destruction of towns in Palestine (the Mereneptah Stele, about 1208 B.C., fitting with Judges 18:6)
    The conversion of Akhenaten to monotheism AFTER the Jews left, probably influenced by them (1353-1336 B.C,)
    Date of the start of Solomon's Temple, 966 B.C., recorded as 480 years after the exodus (I Kings 6:1)
    * Professor Gershon Gallal head of Institute of Biblical Research and Ancient History at University of Hiafa told Israeli newspaper, Harets, “This is the silver bullet that will eliminate all doubts about the Bible in Israeli archaeology.” Dr. Stripling, who found the curse tablet, says this is overstatement, should say “should” not will.

  • @johnd2058
    @johnd2058 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    40:00 I want to see what the last fifteen-hundred years would look like were we to be limited to stonework, bones, & pottery shards for evidence. 🤔

  • @KarleighStrickfaden
    @KarleighStrickfaden 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The subtitles are hilarious! Dr. Lipschits said "small juglets" and the caption said "swat chocolate." :-P

  • @RonJohn63
    @RonJohn63 9 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    How could anyone ever think that fertile land would just be left unused by an expanding empire? Makes no sense.

    • @Grubnar
      @Grubnar 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You are correct. However, history is full of examples of fertile land being abandoned, because of declining population, either because of war, plague, or some natural catastrophe.

    • @RonJohn63
      @RonJohn63 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Grubnar All true, but those aren't examples of *expanding* empires.

    • @johnd2058
      @johnd2058 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I call Urban Cultural Elité subconscious blind spot!

  • @noaheinstein2369
    @noaheinstein2369 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It appears that the biblical archaeologists, using scientific methods of peer review, are correct regarding the birth of Israel as slaves in Egypt. It was for me discouraging at first to realize there was no Exodus and no conquest of the promised land. But I think they are correct because the value of these stories was never in their fake facts, but rather in their larger enduring truth. Biblical writers never claimed to be historians, but rather Story tellers who wanted us to learn larger truths. Great lecture.

    • @ahmedjabbar2820
      @ahmedjabbar2820 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The Bible narratives were always presented as real historical facts and real events.
      Millions, perhaps billions, of people have died believing everything word for word. Even if we are not meant to translate things on a literal level, saying that the Bible is mentioning things that never happened and that shouldn't have been the case is really ridiculous.
      Claiming that everything is either just symbolic or metaphorical is just a cheap cop-out and denial.
      You cannot turn things upside down after thousands of years and act like it's a normal proposal.
      Either the Bible is telling the truth or it's not.
      Babylon's reputation was unjustly smeared for thousands of years based on this made-up story. Nebuchadnezzar's name is still tarnished and you are telling us it was never meant to be treated as a real event?

    • @moodist1er
      @moodist1er 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      All the abrahamic religions are poorly plagiarized from a dozen older religions.

    • @mogh2603
      @mogh2603 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      so if it was real we should believe it word for word, and if it was not real then we should believe the bigger picture and symbolism... utter nonsense

    • @christianfrommuslim
      @christianfrommuslim ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't be discouraged friend. Archaeologists and historians have accidentally or willfully slighted Biblical history and tradition.
      More evidence has arisen regarding the Exodus and Conquest, some even in the past year. Here is what I have correlated from classic and recent findings. (I'm not an archaeologist, but studied it in university and after.)
      SPECIFIC EVIDENCE: "City of Ramses" mentioned in Exodus is a back-naming of Avaris, like New York for New Amsterdam. There, Manfred Bitek excavations has found much evidence of Semites during what is called the "Early Chronology" of the Exodus (1446 B.C.).
      Amenhotep II was the pharaoh at the time of Moses. Here is the abridged quote from Manetho 3rd C B.C.E. re: the pharaoh of the Exodus, as quoted by Josephus in 1st C A.D. “… of their (Egypt’s) principal writers … Manetho... an Egyptian... his very words... they built a city that is called Jerusalem… and Amenophis (Greek for Amenhotep) king of Egypt…”
      This early chronology also fits with:
      The Mount Ebal curse tablet, inscriptions just published in 2022, 2023 A.D. (Joshua 8)
      Scarabs found in conquest sites fit with early date - Amenhotep, Hatshepsut
      The timing of the destruction of towns in Palestine (the Mereneptah Stele, about 1208 B.C., fitting with Judges 18:6)
      The conversion of Akhenaten to monotheism AFTER the Jews left, probably influenced by them (1353-1336 B.C,)
      Date of the start of Solomon's Temple, 966 B.C., recorded as 480 years after the exodus (I Kings 6:1)
      * Professor Gershon Gallal head of Institute of Biblical Research and Ancient History at University of Hiafa told Israeli newspaper, Harets, “This is the silver bullet that will eliminate all doubts about the Bible in Israeli archaeology.” Dr. Stripling, who found the curse tablet, says this is overstatement, should say “should” not will.

    • @bobster0
      @bobster0 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not one to dismiss plain facts, and I’m not commenting on this particular presentation. But it’s only fair to notes that *plenty* of historians, experts, & random academics fall far short of *scrupulous* objectivity. Nowhere is this more true than on the topic of ancient Jewish history-or Jewish-related events from 6 months ago; many of those who speak with ostensible authority range from slightly tendentious to having a very obvious ax to grind.
      There are examples from about 100 years ago when academic biblical criticism was reflexively dismissive of any & all biblical narratives-hardly an openminded approach to fact-gathering… And there is today’s instant branding of anything that happens to Jews or Israel as “disputed”, on the basis of hordes of antisemitic propagandists who simply deny it happened.
      For every Jew who believes the Torah as literal, and is simply uninterested in what scientific data has to say about it, there are 2 others who attempt to reconcile the gaps in some reasonable way that satisfies them… …And there are, unfortunately, 3 others who are oddly determined to prove to themselves or others that it’s *all* a myth-some secular Jews (not all) are hostile rather than merely agnostic about these things.

  • @Nomad1992
    @Nomad1992 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍

  • @alexanderzerka8477
    @alexanderzerka8477 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Jah, jah, jah, jah, nau ver ze gulasch?"

  • @catercoz2491
    @catercoz2491 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If I have learned anything from archaeology and history, it is that there are as many interpretations as scholars, each with their own views, own biases etc. etc. This is interesting, it's a new view to chew over... The bottom line for me is, we weren't there, so we don't have all the data. We are interpreting with crumbs of information not a Google's worth. I wish we knew more... it's so frustrating to not have a clear picture, but have to wait for a new discovery, or a new interpretation with no idea if anything has been interpreted through the correct, long dead cultural filters.

    • @bobgiddings0
      @bobgiddings0 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      By the time you know everything, you're dead.

    • @christianfrommuslim
      @christianfrommuslim ปีที่แล้ว

      More evidence has arisen regarding the Exodus and Conquest, some even in the past year. Here is what I have correlated from classic and recent findings. (I'm not an archaeologist, but studied it in university and after.)
      SPECIFIC EVIDENCE: "City of Ramses" mentioned in Exodus is a back-naming of Avaris, like New York for New Amsterdam. There, Manfred Bitek excavations has found much evidence of Semites during what is called the "Early Chronology" of the Exodus (1446 B.C.).
      Amenhotep II was the pharaoh at the time of Moses. Here is the abridged quote from Manetho 3rd C B.C.E. re: the pharaoh of the Exodus, as quoted by Josephus in 1st C A.D. “… of their (Egypt’s) principal writers … Manetho... an Egyptian... his very words... they built a city that is called Jerusalem… and Amenophis (Greek for Amenhotep) king of Egypt…”
      This early chronology also fits with:
      The Mount Ebal curse tablet, inscriptions just published in 2022, 2023 A.D. (Joshua 8)
      Scarabs found in conquest sites fit with early date - Amenhotep, Hatshepsut
      The timing of the destruction of towns in Palestine (the Mereneptah Stele, about 1208 B.C., fitting with Judges 18:6)
      The conversion of Akhenaten to monotheism AFTER the Jews left, probably influenced by them (1353-1336 B.C,)
      Date of the start of Solomon's Temple, 966 B.C., recorded as 480 years after the exodus (I Kings 6:1)
      * Professor Gershon Gallal head of Institute of Biblical Research and Ancient History at University of Hiafa told Israeli newspaper, Harets, “This is the silver bullet that will eliminate all doubts about the Bible in Israeli archaeology.” Dr. Stripling, who found the curse tablet, says this is overstatement, should say “should” not will.

  • @RonJohn63
    @RonJohn63 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Old Man, did you watch the video? It explicitly states that there was an exile and destruction.

    • @Ken_Scaletta
      @Ken_Scaletta 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Only Jerusalem was destroyed, and only about 20% of the population was exiled. There was no fertile land being abandoned. The rest of the region carried right on. There was never an "empty land," and there was no mass return. The people who were exiled were really only the aristocracy. The upper classes and political elites.

    • @unrealspetznaz
      @unrealspetznaz 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ken_Scaletta only Jerusalem? Tell that to the people of lachis

  • @mogh2603
    @mogh2603 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it is shameful to allow this guy to show maps with modern day labels ignoring the Palestinian lands and marking occupied West Bank as a part of the state of Israel.

  • @charliesmith3777
    @charliesmith3777 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This commentary is "spurious." For one, the Bible establishes that there is a 70-year period of desolation from year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II to the 1st of Cyrus. This is ignored! Second, other locations such as Ashkelon confirm a 70 to 80-year period of desolation between Babylonian destruction and Persian re-occupation. So the "empty land" issue is one of 70 years not of just 50 years. If some cities of Judah were continuously occupied, then fine. But don't change the Bible's timeline.
    In the meantime, the VAT4956 confirms the original year of 37 for Nebuchadnezzar II to 511 BCE. So the dates being used by uninformed archaeologists are also spurious.
    The Bible states that Ashkelon would be destroyed after Jerusalem, so there is potential evidence of a 70 to 80-year period of desolation.

    • @attentatdefecitdisorder4348
      @attentatdefecitdisorder4348 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      'Don't change the bible's timeline'
      So you think the Earth is less than 10000 years old?

    • @noaheinstein2369
      @noaheinstein2369 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Charlie Smith, where on your timeline would you place the call of Abraham? Or the night of Passover and the Exodus from Egypt?

    • @joeylonglegs4309
      @joeylonglegs4309 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@attentatdefecitdisorder4348 The Bible never says that.

    • @christianfrommuslim
      @christianfrommuslim ปีที่แล้ว

      You are right that there is real evidence being overlooked. More evidence has arisen regarding the Exodus and Conquest, some even in the past year. Here is what I have correlated from classic and recent findings. (I'm not an archaeologist, but studied it in university and after.)
      SPECIFIC EVIDENCE: "City of Ramses" mentioned in Exodus is a back-naming of Avaris, like New York for New Amsterdam. There, Manfred Bitek excavations has found much evidence of Semites during what is called the "Early Chronology" of the Exodus (1446 B.C.).
      Amenhotep II was the pharaoh at the time of Moses. Here is the abridged quote from Manetho 3rd C B.C.E. re: the pharaoh of the Exodus, as quoted by Josephus in 1st C A.D. “… of their (Egypt’s) principal writers … Manetho... an Egyptian... his very words... they built a city that is called Jerusalem… and Amenophis (Greek for Amenhotep) king of Egypt…”
      This early chronology also fits with:
      The Mount Ebal curse tablet, inscriptions just published in 2022, 2023 A.D. (Joshua 8)
      Scarabs found in conquest sites fit with early date - Amenhotep, Hatshepsut
      The timing of the destruction of towns in Palestine (the Mereneptah Stele, about 1208 B.C., fitting with Judges 18:6)
      The conversion of Akhenaten to monotheism AFTER the Jews left, probably influenced by them (1353-1336 B.C,)
      Date of the start of Solomon's Temple, 966 B.C., recorded as 480 years after the exodus (I Kings 6:1)
      * Professor Gershon Gallal head of Institute of Biblical Research and Ancient History at University of Hiafa told Israeli newspaper, Harets, “This is the silver bullet that will eliminate all doubts about the Bible in Israeli archaeology.” Dr. Stripling, who found the curse tablet, says this is overstatement, should say “should” not will.

  • @moodist1er
    @moodist1er 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Look at this judean artifact that is modeled after an older culture from the region, lol. Stop

  • @Nomad1992
    @Nomad1992 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍