Does Christianity cause Christian Nationalism?
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- We often hear people claim that Christianity gave rise to Nazism and will give rise to more nationalist movements. Does the data support this? A special thanks to sociologist Kenneth Vaughan for helping to make this video.
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"many protestants helped people around the world fight for civil liberties"
As an Indian, I can confirm this, western conservatives are often surprised to hear this but the most supportive of Christianity in India are the liberals, even Marxists and Communists. They recognise the painstaking efforts Christian missionaries undertook to break caste barriers, empower women, and eradicate illiteracy, this is also why Hindu nationalists (now the largest faction of Indian population) loathe Christians, because they demolished Hindu practices, notable the atrocious caste system, in fact, so bad was the system that it served to propel oppressed castes to Christianity, for example certain castes were not allowed to wear complete clothing (including women), and once some from this caste converted the British argued for their right to clothes so they could come to Church. Perhaps the most atrocious fact is that only the top castes were allowed education, this made Christian denominations to build educational institutions all over India especially for the lower castes including mine.
Thanks. A strong testimony, I think. Kind regards Kim
Not sure how Marxists/Communists are supportive of Christianity when Marx himself despises religion, especially Christianity.
Understood, but America is not India. Christians can be dangerous over here, and missionary enterprise(colonialism) can be dangerous elsewhere
@@Alexander-wq7qo Why are missionaries dangerous? Spreading the word about their faith gives people an opportunity to accept Christ.
@@Alexander-wq7qo did you even view the video? Your statement goes against the evidence presented. Christianity leads to human flourishing. It is unmistakable. Secularism leads to totalitarianism.
Incredibly timely. I think most of us have sensed the dichotomy between "Christian" Nationalism and traditional Christianity, but this video explains it at a deeper level. As usual, IP, thanks for your work.
Gay marriage, transgenderism, massive abortion of 60,000,000 babies, massive censorship on colleges, media, FBI invading the Catholic church etc but oooh Christian Nationalism is scary. Hey IP duped you to think like him. Congrats
Yo know tbh I really was leaning more towards nationalism when I was younger. I labeled myself as a christian but really didn’t read the Bible. Until I read the Bible did I become less extreme and more focused on Christ than our country being the focus
All I know is that Communists are globalists and they hate nationalism, as well as hating Christianity and God and white people. So, from my stand point, Christianity and nationalism go hand in hand.
Same
That is good but do not forget your ancestors
@@tosamja1636 they are dead. As the bible says, Jesus said to him, ‘Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God’” (Luke 9:59-60).
If your desire is to worship, "Your ancestors", and idolize them, then curve and worship your idols - don't use jesus and the bible as a hood ornament.
There are many Christians who identify as National Populist. We have overlappiings liberal/civic/democratic nationalism. Nationalism isn't an inherently bad thing. #Trump2024!
I think the gap between a Christian nation and Christian Nationalism can be explained by how the nature of Christianity is perceived by the culture in general.
It’s not exactly news that Christianity has been on the decline in the past century in western nations and secularism has come to dominate in virtually every aspect of public life. As such, those who hold to Christian teachings, or at the very least, the aesthetics and values of a Christian civilisation even if they do not believe in the supernatural elements, feel that they are under attack and need to galvanise support around those values to restore them and counter-attack the secular encroachment of what was one the church’s role in public life.
In other words, people who feel that Christian values are at least generally understood are not motivated to any kind of Christian nationalism as there is no attack on it. But when people are intentionally trying to remove Christianity from importance in the public mind, they are motivated to have the opposite reaction and act as cultural warriors for those values in the opposite direction.
But for genuine religious believers, neither of these concerns matter for it is a fundamentally temporal, earthly view of affairs. You aren’t going to be motivated to join a popular movement that uses Christian aesthetics to defend one nation or culture as that’s not your calling. Your calling is to live as a Christian and being the word of God to as many as possible.
Yes and in fact I feel Christianity is more threatened by such hijackers than by open disagreement from other groups. Wolves in sheep's clothing.
Why not advocate both the spiritual wellbeing of Christians and it's cultural importance? The two views are complimentary and not contradictory.
In countries of many nationalities and religions secularism is important. It was important to early settlers of United States and is still important today. Let us not for forget many have come here to ESCAPE religion persecution not drown in it.
Your religion is like your bank account it's YOURS, not everyone wants it thrust upon them.
@@geraldmeehan8942 Secularism may be the goal for some but it is not the goal for all. Nor can it be sold as a definitive good for Christianity. Just the opposite. The more secular a society becomes, the less Religious it becomes. You cannot live in a neutral or valueless society. People thrust what they believe on others all the time to get them to comply with a perceived good. Religion is not unique in that regard and nor is it in the benefit of Christians to entirely privatize it.
There is also the issue of how Christians know that Christian values are supposed to come from the heart and not something that gets forced upon someone. That forced conversions run counter to the goal of bringing the faith to the unfaithful. So of course they believe that discourse (democracy) is better than authoritarianism. Course that has it's downsides as can be seen from the rise of anti-christian atheists, who in their hatred of God, denounce him and commit all kinds of atrocities such as the promotion of abortion etc.
Just following the top 2 commandments of Jesus
-Love Lord your God
-Love your neighbour as yourself
Is enough to solve most of the moral issues in the world
Who actually does both? Two of the most simplest commandments, yet are broken without people realizing it.
But what does following those two commands look like in cold hard reality?
Right on!
If you did those things you wouldn't allow your society to devolve into a neo-liberal hellhole. Nor would you tolerate secularism, heresy and the destruction of hierarchical forms of government like monarchy, ironically fascism is closer to the Christian paradigm of the proper ordering of society than any of the secular garbage that came out of democracy, or republicanism.
Exactly. So how could a person call themselves Christian when they can't even follow those two simple commandments
I used to be a right wing nationalist, like many of these “angry” Christians in the comments.
After a long period of deep theological, spiritual, and biblical study, I came to realize nationalism, and politics in general are futile. Christ came for all peoples, tongues, and nations. As Paul says: Galatians 3:28
[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Jesus said, “My Kingdom is not of this world.”
Christ over country. Christ transcends country.
Amen 🙏🏻
Just because the world is temporal does not mean we should allow ourselves to be walked over and replaced.
@@MichelleCatlin women choosing not to marry you is not oppression
@@MichelleCatlin The church will never be replaced as long as we continue living Christ and spreading the gospel. You put your faith in politics, not God.
@@MichelleCatlin hmm "rEpLAceD"
The Eastern Orthodox churches would actually fairly good examples of Christian Nationalism. Well there is a bit of mixture between nation and people, but they do tend to distinguish themselves based on location (i.e. Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox, etc..).
This is fine I think and a great way to show how Christianity can control the politics of its nation by making sure they align with the proper theological viewpoints.
Really, what did the Russian Orthodox Church do when Putin invaded Ukraine?
What the Serbian Orthodox Church do to stop the Serbian exterminations of the Bosnians?
@@michaelhenry1763 Just to correct you Bosnian isn't a nationality or ethnicity it is just a regional name, In Bosnia & Herzegovina there are main three nationalities: Muslims or as they call themselves Bosniaks, Serbs and Croatians.
@21st Century Czarist thank you for sharing.
It shows there not a divine being guiding or living inside anyone. Like anyone, these churches are influenced by culture and influence culture. They differing opinions of war like anyone else.
This is mainly a modern phenomenon due to centuries of persecution. The Eastern Orthodox Church has become defensive because of the harsh years under the Ottoman Empire and from being behind the Iron Curtain. The Church often defended and was a symbol of the people, culture and national identity and so it became linked to nationalism at times. Similarly to how many Polish people also often view Catholicism in a nationalistic way. Western Christianity has not faced as serious levels of persecution throughout history. I'd also like to note that nationalistic feelings in the church are not as common as people who aren't Orthodox often believe. Ethnophyletism or Phyletism has even been officially condemned by the Eastern Orthodox Church as a heresy. Also besides heretical schisms (which every Christian branch will always have) the Eastern Orthodox Church is a single church, technically the "Orthodox Catholic Church". There is also main churches and groups in the Middle East along with missions and churches across the world. Such as churches in Italy and Japan and a mission in the Philippines. It holds itself as the universal catholic church, not ethnic Christian fan clubs.
How does Poland and other Christian European countries and their politics fit into this equation? They don't want to be replaced in their countries like western Europeans, are they not Christian? Also nationalism/=/ authoritarianism.
I have personally talked to a lot of polish people online and they all tell me that most people in the country of Poland are not really catholic. Most are just cultural Catholics who don't really adhere to the faith. And it's these secular cultural Catholics who are behind the regime, so IP's point still stands.
@Twenty faces well they made it sound like church attendance was up in Poland then in any other country in Europe
@Twenty faces which is ironic because ppl believe they spending too much time in church and not enough building industries
Though I do find it interesting that paganism is returning to Europe that will be interesting to see
@Twenty faces well when you are LGBTQ but still need spirituality in their life and the main three religion is that no matter how good of a person you are because you are gay you are going to hell anyway ya I can see why they go towards paganism
In my studies of political science, I've actually have three specific examples where the modern state/nation state was rejected in favor of Republicanism specifically due to Christianity and the allowance of different forms of Christianity: Swiss Confederacy Dutch Republic, and the United States (prior to Lincoln).
By contrast many would say the modern state/nation state was born through the French Revolution which was explicitly atheistic/anti-Christian in nature
Sorry I know its a bit out there and you aren't obligated to do so but could you recommend me any books or videos on the topic also how is the book you're writing on state atheism & authoritarianism going btw?
IP, despite his stated goal of spreading Christianity, would rabidly condemn pre-Westphalian nations as fascist dictatorships.
@@pariahpariah7048 going alright. For those places being rejections of the modern state there's "Chaining Down Leviathan:America's dream of Self government," and library.oapen.org/bitstream/id/5079d699-e305-4b85-83b8-5f46cca2603d/340047.pdf. There's also "the shield of Achiles" which discusses how the French revolution gave birth to the nation state.
@@bradleymarshall5489 Thank you, I'll definitely check out the recommendations provided. 👍
What a shock a bunch of protestants rejecting hierarchy for secular values..
"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
" Colossians 3:11
Christianity is by it's own values destinated to be universal, it cannot be attached to any particular culture or nation. People generally atributed it with the western nations, but there are christians churches in the middle east like the Melchite in the levant, or the Chaldean in Iraq, or the Coptic in Egypt and Ethiopia who converted more than a thousand years ago and are as old as the european christian comunities.
Exactly 💯
So you believe in what the Elites are pushing Multiculturalism, Multi-religions & Globalism?
@@IblewuponyourfaceIII No, kinda the opposite XD. What I was arguing is that God send Jesus to save every nation, and even with all our differences, we can be equal in Christ, not in any other form, it is a religious unity, not a political one. Globalism wants an artificial political and cultural unity, and to achieve it they plan to secularize us and deprive us of our national culture, Christ never commands any of that, every culture that was converted mainteined it's independence and traditions, only the traditions that went against the law of God had to go, like idolatry or human sacrifice.
Truth!
However, that ideal has never been practiced until after the Enlightenment. Additionally, it is exclusive.
Thomas Jefferson famously took the gospels and stripped from them the miracles of Jesus because while he appreciated his teachings, he couldn't accept that miracles were possible. Christian nationalism, in essence, does the opposite, stripping the teachings of Jesus from the gospels while accepting the miraculous (in the form of the various heresies of the prosperity gospel, the 7 mountain mandate, name it and claim it theology, etc ). Gone are the sermon on the mount, the parables, and the 7 woes of the Pharisees, and in are faked signs and wonders.
"National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable". --Martin Bormann, top Nazi leader. One of the closest associates to Adolf Hitler. But, I have some good recommendations on the relationship between Nazism and the Christian Churches during the 1930s and early 40s, they are:
John S. Conway, "The Nazi Persecution of the Churches, 1933-1945". (1968)
Victoria Barnett, "For the Soul of the People: The Protestant Protest Against Hitler". (1991)
Ernst Christian Helmreich, "The German Churches Under Hitler: Background, Struggle, and Epilogue".(1979).
William "Wild Bill" Donovan, "The Nazi Master Plan: Persecution of the Christian Churches". (1946).
Eric Kurlander, "Hitler's Monsters: A Supernatural History of the Third Reich". (2017).
Karla Poewe, "New Religions and the Nazis". (2006).
Richard Bonney, "Confronting the Nazi War on Christianity: The Kulturkampf Newsletters, 1936-1939".(2009).
Richard Weikart, "Hitler's Religion: The Twisted Beliefs that Drove the Third Reich". (2016).
These are all highly recommended writings in my viewpoint!
Martin Bormann's infamous "National Socialism and Christianity are Incompatible" qoutation is a forged quotation first published from the International Military Tribunal of Nuremberg which tried the National Socialists on false accusations of genocide and forced false confessions by the method of testicle torture.
They always rely on "private speeches" or "paraphrases of Hitler from someone else" or qoutations from biographies produced by private individuals from the allied nations
When you actually look at public qoutations from Hitler it's filled to the brim with a plethora of pro Christian qoutations, prayers and appeals to the "Almighty" which they then scoff off as a political "appeal" to the 99% Christian population of the country which essentially is a round-a-bout coping mechanism and admission that his country was trenched in Christianity.
Bill Donovan's work is pure anti-German propaganda, as is any work based on it. If the NSDAP so adamantly despised Christianity, they wouldn't have wasted time and energy reopening churches in the Bolshevist-Atheist USSR.
Everything you said us a historical fact. You will never learn this history in colleges or universities. Unless you look it up for yourself
@@carloswater7 Literally the opposite is true. Everything you just said is wrong.
Letting you know Christianity was born in blood and raised by blood drank blood phased in blood.
Utterly false
I am often confused why other Christians would support immigration in large numbers of foreigners who will not only not assimilate or convert to Christianity but will, given enough time, become a significant proportion of the population in the country they migrate too. It is not a sin to belong to a nation and seek its interests. It's not a sin for Christians to support a politics which is in their own interest.
I assume that you’re fine with Mexican Catholics immigrating to your country right? Because I have no problem with that at all.
@@randomango2789 to NZ? Sure. Only if they're devout though.
@Twenty faces We do have political interests insofar as we belong to communities that affect not only ourselves but others. A purely privatized faith affecting no one has not been the norm historically for Christians.
For instance. If we don't have political Interests in immigration, then it doesn't matter who we allow in. If we do, we would invite Christians who would strengthen the Christian community they would seek to enter.
@@randomango2789 I do not have a problem with anyone immigrating if it is done legally. As Christians we are to follow laws and we are supposed to encourage other to follow them as well.
@@bassmanjr100 Am I obligated to report illegal immigrants then? I know some who are the most hardworking people. They don’t take up welfare, they don’t commit any crimes, and they’re God fearing. They also happen to be long time friends with my family which makes them apart of my family too. They’ve been here for many years and I don’t feel that it’s my place to report them, that’ll be like backstabbing them.
Maybe if Christians were better about policing their own community then this question of “how Christian are the Christo-fascists” wouldn’t need to be asked.
These Christian nationalists are demonstrating what Christ means to the rest of us more vocally than any of you others right now.
The very fact that Christians aren’t leading the opposition, are the most outraged against this exploitation of Christ’s name, is a driving factor of what deters people from your faith.
How do you represent Christ when you stand by and say nothing as “Christians” glorify money and power and the expense of the sick and the poor and the hungry? How do you say nothing when “Christian’s” defund the welfare of widows and children?
They do these things in the name of your Messiah. You should be the MOST angry. You should be the MOST vocal. You should be the MOST anti fascist when the fascists are blaspheming your Christ while they hurt the kinds of people He loved most.
By doing nothing and being Christians, you are complicit. If you all spent half as much energy opposing the sins of fascists as you do the sins of homosexuals and fornicators, this video would be unnecessary.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19. We don't want to keep this to ourselves.
right, but it implies that there are other nations. Does not say, "bring all nations together". Only under Christ but not politically.
Christianity is Love nothing more or less, yet some people use their ideology shielded by Christianity in order to accomplish their selfish motives.
Christianity is ok not the people who abuse it.
Exactly! It's when people use it as a tool for their own selfish beliefs is when it's bad. Not all Christians are bad. Heck any religion can be said the same until it's used in the wrong way.
Is Christian Nationalism really a bad thing though? I see it as the practical application of the Bible in a society.
Your gonna repeat nazi germany
@@RAWALITY applying the Bible to your nation will repeat nazi germany? U have some explaining to do my friend.
@@RAWALITY Wrong it would more be like falangism if it went the F route
@@Alpha1918 He could have picked something like falangism but he chose the most famous approach
I will say my experince.
I was raised in a christian family but in my teenagehood I drove away from God. This came in the form of pornografy and self rightgius, including a very big sense of nationalisn and ufanins, i saw my country as better than others and started thinking in terns of it it beneficts my country or not instead of right or wrong, as i draw closer to God I felt the need of throw out this hatred and pride I had over a green-yellow-blue flag.
This is one of the tougher sticking points for me.
Every culture is guided by some kind of underlying philosophy or religion, even secular ones. Those tend to influence people well beyond anyone who actually consciously subscribes to it as well.
So how are we to react when we see Christianity become that default zeitgeist? Yes, evangelize, of course, and that may well help people understand that they aren't supposed to use authoritarian force to spread christian ideals, but if we're being honest we know there's only so many people we're going to get on board there.
In the meantime other ideas will be adopted by the secularists and those will almost certainly be even worse.
I don't have any real answers to this problem, just questions.
Christianity is not limited to borders. a single nation cannot claim hold of the truths of a universal metaphysical reality
When society is not homogeneous, authoritarian power inevitably must be used. There's no stopping that. If authority must be used, I say let it be Christian.
@@lexbaldwin5613 Authoritarianism, as understood by historical review, is antithetical to Christian doctrine. An authoritarian government that calls itself Christian is no more Christian than a secular authoritarian government.
We know that true order to this world cannot be restored until the second coming of Christ. Until then, all governments will fall short.
THE ONLY TIME I have EVER heard of "Christian Nationalism" is from a leftwing extremist channel called TheThinkingAtheist where the dork who runs the channel, Seth, rails on and on about it as though it were some actual movement that "civilized people" should be worried about.
Our job isn't to Christianize the world, only to evangelize it. Let the world go like the days of Noah. We build the ark.
This is so helpful, God Bless you and the work you’re doing.❤❤❤
The issue with your argument regarding church goers vs nonchurch goers only assessed the right leaning groups. For this video it makes sense to limit to scope, but including nation wide sentiment for that topic would yield interesting results.
Plus how the people running the study define Christian morality. Going to church doesn't necessarily mean one is devoutly Christian.
Nationalism is fine... ultra nationalism isn't, but wanting the best for your country and people is fine
Yes
I'd go further. Being anti-nationalist is racist against all nations. There's nothing wrong with nations coexisting peacefully with one another and retaining their own cultures. Nationalism for all
@@11kravitzn do you share everything you have with everyone equally?
@@11kravitzn yes that comie ish does not work humans will always be in a state of competition from small groups to big groups that’s a universal truth
@@11kravitzn I bet you see fascism in every thing
Well nationalism is a good thing Christian nationalism is even better
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@@InspiringPhilosophy doesn't seem 😬-ey to me he seems to make perfect sense
Based
Nationalism is never a good thing
Depends on your definition of nationalism. At least it shouldn't surpass your allegiance to Jesus or conflict with "My kingdom is not of this world" and "In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, you are all one in Christ Jesus".
Also, imposing christianity by political force has never turned out well for the church. Some things to keep in mind...
God bless.
I've put some ressources in my channel. Data do not support the ideia that morality, at least Christian morality, comes from evolution. narcissistic caracter actually have helps the survival and procreation in human history.
Patriotism is like admiring your car while nationalism is making sure the doors are locked at night.
But keeping your doors locked at night is perfectly sensible
Nationalism is more like keeping even your friends from driving your car even when they might have a reason to do so.
except that locking your car doors isn't bad. Nationalism directly leads us to hate others or beat them down.
Distinctions have to be made between regular nationalism based on true Christian values versus non-Christian nationalism under the pretext of religion. Protestantism was actually the first cause of extreme nationalism because it took all the power of governance and made the prince both the head of state and the head of religion - often a terrible combination. Nations should be run with Christian morality, but in a way where all authorities are held accountable to someone.
Frankly IP this video was somewhat uninspired and appears geared towards mitigating outdated concerns about how secular society perceives us. Extreme circumstances demand extreme solutions, which could be why Christians are feeling increasingly marginalized by society, such that they feel compelled to splinter off or to fight back. On an intrinsic level, there is nothing inherently wrong with this - whether the execution holds up remains to be seen.
Nothing wrong with Christian Nationalism. Whatever you think of the Nazis, they werent a Christian movement in any tangible way. "Democracies" have shed enough blood in the last decades to nullify any supposed intrinsic good they are meant to possess.
the feelings I have about this argument are causing me actually pain. I agree, but I think it's bad optics to put it this way, but that feeling is similar to aproaches I hate in secularists.
the cognative dissonance is literally painful xD
@Twenty faces Not only are you wrong, you're not even close. "Christian Nationalism" is barely anything more than a concept at this stage and there are no real unifying beliefs.
All thats happened in the last 5-8 years is a lot of people have turned towards fascism or nationalism as a solution to the current problems facing our society (who can blame them, seems as good a solution as any) whilst also being Christian. Naturally, many will try to unite these two beliefs in a way to make it work, but theres no political party or organization; as of now, at least
@@marvalice3455 With respect, im not sure what causes you so much mental stress. Its okay to want the best for those around you, and organize society that way. When you have some extra money, do you help your brother or neighbor first, or do you help the random guy on the other end of the planet? First you help those around you, then you help those far away.
Between the fall of religion, gay rights and general society decay, and our rapid demographic suicide where white people are quickly becoming minorities in their own countries - an increasing amount of people will agree a little time out and focusing on our own people may not be the worst idea. At least for a little while.
@@jimbigmuscles120 i have mental stress because of my own internal controdictory responses
Nationalism is a good thing, it always was and it always will be. Why? Because God created the nations and he did so because he deemed it to be a good thing. Who are you to deny or destroy his creation?
Isnt it kinda weird to put Hitler on the thumbnail? Like, we all know nazism was an atheistic philosophy, right?
I’m sure he’s going to mention that
Didn’t nazi Germany try to use the Bible for their own nefarious reasons? Like making up lies of the Bible in rule of favor like they were the ‘chosen people?’ And therefore everyone else is ‘less?’
And then blaming Jewish people and everyone not Aryan?
I always thought that 🤔 Unless that’s a Neo nazi thing that was added later?
Meaning they would try to justify their hate and murders and pushing that narrative?
Wasn’t Hitler cool with the Pope at the time? Which never made sense to me. Maybe that was a ‘political thing’ for image?
But don’t neo nazis have hitler as like their ‘savior’ but try to use God to justify their prejudice but yet hitler was an atheist?
How does that work?
I'm sorry to disappoint you...but the National Socialists were predominantly Christian and Hitler mentioned many times in his speeches about God and the creator
@@mlbunn12 True. National Socialist Germany endorsed Positive Christianity.
"Our Party stands upon the basis of positive Christianity. [...] Anyway, the party as such refuses to be identified with Wotan cult efforts as it happens on the part of the politicizing clergy, It remains to be seen whether such efforts exist to any significant extent."
𝐆𝐨𝐭𝐭𝐟𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐝 𝐅𝐞𝐝𝐞𝐫
It was somewhat Christian and pagan as well.
Comprehensive reporting. Impressive! Thank you for compiling these facts, producing this video.
Prophet of Zod just destroyed this videos claims. And even showed the very study used in this video does not support IP’s “interpretation.”
@@matthewward5813 Do you have a link? I've never heard of Prophet of Zod, Matthew. I'd like to hear what he's got to say. Incidentally, I've listened to quite a few of IP's video presentations and he's pretty spot-on with those I have I have heard in the past.
Thank you.
@@msparkison m.th-cam.com/video/7vq2LcACjsI/w-d-xo.html
And this is only part 1. Part 2 is coming soon…
@@matthewward5813 Matthew, I actually took the time to listen to this gentleman's video, because I did want to hear another side to this topic. I will give a couple general thoughts, for more than one reason (1-I just simply don't have the time to do the research to speak to Prophet Zod's video point by point, and I, like he, feel I'm not qualified (an authority) on this topic to debate him. 2- my worldview comes from that of a Christian, which is going to be different from his. Christianity is said to be "foolishness" to those who are dead to God, so I do not expect him to understand what I and others believe that God has conveyed to man through what we believe to be holy Scriptures.
That to say, we're going to see things differently, we are going to disagree.
With that said, I felt he was trying to be very fair, and I agreed with some of his points.
Something that he seemed to be using as a reason to discredit Christianity was that the hundreds or thousands of denominations are not unified on every point of what is in the Bible. He can certainly do that, but I don't feel that's any more reasonable of an approach than is some of the reasons that he is shooting down in the I.P. video that they use.
God was not obligated to reveal everything to mankind comprehensively, not did He. So yes, there are disagreements and different interpretations where God did not do that in the information He provided us.
I appreciate you sharing the link with me. I feel more enlightened now, and I will likely look for video #2, as well as some of Prophet of Zod's earlier videos where he speaks more to Christianity directly, and why he believes that to be foolishness. ;- )
Thank you, my friend, have a great day. I hope we speak again.
Well, Christianity, particularly Catholicism has became an inspiration to us Filipinos to fight for freedom against Imperial Spain, America and Japan. The story of Jesus' life, suffering, death and resurrection gave us hope of regaining our freedom from the colonizers. A good book entitled PASYON AND REVOLUTION written by one of our prominent historian, DR. REYNALDO ILETO studied how Jesus' life inspired the movements for freedom.
If you haven’t read or heard ( TH-cam) Thomas Sowell on colonialism , you should.
Was Spain not controlled by the catholic church during the Philippines colonization ?
@@hussitewagoner6838 Spain using Catholicism as a tool for colonization is only HALF THE STORY. As i said, as one of our prominent historian argued in his book, Catholicism also became the inspiration of our freedom fighters to revolt against Spain. This concept might have been new to you.
Stephen Castro
Extremely new opinion that I’ve never heard , but there are also some who clung to islam during those troubled times even while islam enslaves rather than frees.
I actually view Spain the tool of catholicism as were other countries. Can’t think of any previous colony that was touched by catholicism and now grasp and promote the understanding of freedom. Only exceptions are ones the US ( protestant Christian mentality of freedom) had transitional influence .
Those catholic influenced countries today without the protestant influences are below modern educational, economic and social standards . ( like South America )
The concept of personal freedom is derived from the concept of personal relationship with , and rights received directly from God , with no intervention from man.
This is why the concept of freedom , being derived from the hierarchical relationship with God in catholicism is seemingly contradictory .
@@hussitewagoner6838as i said, the life, death and resurrection of Jesus became an inspiration for the Filipinos in the 19nth Century to fight for independence. It was called, TRIPARTITE VIEW OF HISTORY. The parallels to the life of Jesus to the view of our history is like this:
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1.Life of Jesus = The country is free with trade and self-governance.
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2.Passion/Death = The country was invaded so the freedom was lost.
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3.Resurrection= The country would be free again.
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That is how the Filipinos were inspired to fight for freedom. Again, it is true that Catholicism was used as a tool by Imperial Spain but at the same time, Catholicism also became an inspiration for the Filipinos in the 19nth Century to fight for independence as argued by one of our prominent historian, DR. REYNALDO ILETO. You could read that in his book, PASYON AND REVOLUTION.
Stephen Castro
Interesting.
If Spain is the aggressor with assistance of the catholic church and the Philippines is the Christ (humility lost there) , what does that make the US ?
Your comment referenced colonizer , yet it was the US military that broke the Spanish claim on the Philippines. Your credit of the Filipinos and a original aggressor(rcc) for achieving the freedom , while discrediting people who helped it to become achieved (protestant ethics US) seems disingenuous and the rewriting of history.
The Filipino blood spilled during ww2 to maintain theirs and the worlds freedom should be remembered and appreciated by all.
Absolutely nothing wrong with being a nationalist Christian or a Christian nationalist
christian nationalism is the natural conclusion a rational mind comes to.
it is our duty to protect and nourish the creation of God, it is thus our duty to resist and fight against each and every power that seeks to subvert, degeneracize and destroy the creation of God.
The conclusion at just before minute 10 is flawed.
The video says that, since the religious Christians are less likely to be extreme nationalists, in order to reduce extreme nationalism it would be good to encourage people to be religious Christians.
However, this is predicated upon a correlation-as-causation fallacy. It assumes that being a religious Christian causes one to reject extreme nationalism. But it may be that people who already reject extreme nationalism are more likely to be religious Christians. Or it may be that being Christian and being opposed to extreme nationalism are both caused or facilitated by a third factor, e.g. a universalist worldview or a propensity towards kindness and compassion.
Concordantly, it's not hard to imagine that, as more extreme nationalists become religious Christians, religious Christianity may become (wrongly) more extremely nationalist, rather than the opposite.
Since the studies addressed here do not show in which direction causation (if any) goes, they do not prove that proselytizing would help reducing extreme nationalism.
It may (and a good case can be made by referring to Christian hospital and universalistic values), but it also may not.
The studies are simply not conclusive in this regard.
Well put argument
Lol cope
Nothing wrong with nationalism, especially christian nationalism. Chose your words carefully IP or you could lose a lot of your base with this video
Exactly. Like, what do you define a Christian nationalist as? Someone who wishes their whole country become Christian? Then I’m that.
What is Christian nationalism? Christianity is not limited to national borders.
@@t700e yes, but the Christian God is still a God of nations. We are supposed to preach to all the nations, but that doesn't meat nations don't still need to exist
@@rudra1830 it's better to get rid of false teachers like you
When he said he made this video, I am like, with his background, he might lean against nationalism.
I'm about halfway through this video and it seems to be missing one dimension of discussion: Namely an element of pragmatic religiosity which celebrates immigration but prefers that immigration be managed to prevent the destruction of national identity and society. *_Religiosity without Wisdom is vulnerable to corruption._* And how does this video mean "tolerance?"
"Appropriating liberal themes... like ... tolerance of homosexuality" can be misleading or worse. Christ was tolerant of thieves and prostitutes, but not of those activities.
My own spirit of *_Christian Nationalism_* would prefer to accept immigrants who actually love America and its Constitution. Too many of the immigrants entering America, today, hate America and its Constitution, preferring to take advantage of the potential for prosperity before the nation is destroyed by such misguided and all-too-fake "compassion."
This video also seems to be missing the context that there is a very specific and clever group of godless Leftists who intend to destroy America by poorly-defined terms like "Christian Nationalism" and "tolerance" plus appeals to emotion logical fallacies. Perhaps it's my own bias, but this video seems to rely too heavily on papers with a Leftist, anti-Trump bias. I personally think Trump is far better than any current candidate, but he has a lot to improve.
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Love your video, I'm sure many Croatians like me adore your videos in these harsh and divisive times!
I'm a nationalist and authoritarian, however many of our friars and our Venerated archbishop Alojzije Stepinac found themselves as nationalists also. We Croatians are deeply dedicated to our churches, we would never enforce any persecutions, nor forced conversion or enforcing strict Catholic teachings in educational institutions. However our great threat is atheism and socialism which normalises hate towards our country. My beautiful homeland was gifted by Lord, I think of it as being lended, and for Croatian to spit at his or hers heritage, also spits at God's beautiful and loving creation on Earth. Ah we hope you visit Zadar sometime, the famous Zadar Organ makes one feel as if angels themselves are using the instrument.
I thank you for your videos which enrich our Faith. God bless you for such hardship and love you put into your videos to spread the gospel. Pity you didn't become a layman or a priest, you're a great orator and mastered the arts of rhetorics.
Saint Augustine would be proud of you :)
God bless you from Croatia ❤🇭🇷
You're extremely confused. This is pure propaganda. You're referring to Nazism. The Nazis are ethno nationalist, socialists. We're opposed to socialism and we can all agree ethno nationalism is a bad thing. We're National Populists with overlapping with inclusive liberal/civic/democrat nationalism. Nationalism isn't an inherently bad thing. The only form of fascism that's been exposed is globalist socio-fascism, know in the US as wokeness and it exists within the left/democrat party.
Will the NWO Great Reset Agenda lead to globalism? Which is worse globalism or nationalism? Some cultures are better than others in the same way some ideas are better than others. This is not to say some people are better than others, but since cultures and nations are grounded on ideas and beliefs and some ideas and beliefs are better than others, it therefore follows that some cultures are better than others. For example, if a culture is ok with slavery and has religious views that could put me to death for criticising its beliefs then I want no part in that culture. There are also aspects of my own culture that I see as wicked. I accept the aspects of my culture that are good and reject those aspects that are evil. Cultures are founded by individuals conforming or not conforming to ideas. It is true that nationalism can be good or bad depending on how you define the word and depending on what principals a nation has or doesn't have. It can also be very good based on the same logic. Globalism can only be bad because it can only centralise power to a source that cannot be challenged or opposed. Look at Rome.
Agree with much of what you said, just wanted to point out that we don't (necessarily) have to choose between nationalism or globalism. As christians, our first allegiance is to Christ, Whose kingdom is not of this world.
the weird thing to me is our modern culture's obsession with equating nationalism with right-wing politics. A closer examination of violent revolutionary nationalistic ideologies like national socialism and fascism shows that it all comes down to it being a take on socialism. Authoritarianism in the modern era has almost always exclusively come on the heels of some kind of socialist revolutions. Now that doesn't mean that "insert left wing" = bad, or "insert right wing" = bad. It's just that "nationalism" by itself gives little grounds for assuming a Christian cause or anything like that. It always has nuances that are greatly influenced by the political and economical ideologies of the beholder. Being right wing conservative doesn't mean you're an extreme nationalist if the politics you're "conserving" are open to begin with. Similarly, a leftist socialist doesn't automatically mean they can't be nationalists (case and point: fascism and communist stalinism).
If anything, since the Bible explicitly state that its message is for quite literally everyone, it means that Christians are the least qualified people for being extreme nationalists purely based on their faith.
Depends on how you define left and right wing. When the term was first coined, the contrast was between monarchism and republicanism, in the 80's the contrast was between market and planned economics, and now left vs right is globalism vs nationalism.
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@@PQRXYZ433 and if you notice in all of those cases it basically means conserving the current political and economic structure (right) vs changing it (left), but it doesn't matter what the object of conservation or change is.
A cool example is the British Conservative party (Tories). The exact same party 100+ years ago was actually the left wing opposition party in the parliament (at the time they were left because of their socialist Programm vs the at the time free market). The right wing "conservatives" then had a crisis of faith in their party, and the party disintegrated. Later Labour appeared as an even leftier left than Tories who became the defacto Conservatives since they were holding government and maintaining (conserving) the politics they established even though they themselves were socialists.
Christians should*** be the least likely group to be nationalists, but sadly people can hold two opposing ideologies to be true all the time, Nick Fuentes is a great example of this, says he super christan but endorses a christian nationalism, including a stated aim that would bar non-Christians (even jewish individuals) from holding political office
Well when you examine this issue what you have to realize is economics essentially doesn't mean anything. Conservatives often go "left wing economics is bad" ad ignore the immorality of Capitalism and corporate oligarchy (see Disney). What matters with left wing and right wing is cultural views. Size of government can vary between these sides, which is authoritarian can apply to both. The idea of nationalism, at least in the west, is pretty connected to right wing. That's because the ideology seeks to preserve the cultural traditions of the west, while the left tends to hate the west and be pro globalism. Since Christianity is the dominant and traditional religion of the west, being right wing should be pro-Christian, because it's an important part of the culture. This is why we see conservatives tend to be more religious as opposed to progressives.
In a western context, if you follow Christianity, you should fall somewhere on the right.
There is no problem with Christian Nationalism
Based
Wouldn't Christian nationalism be good according to the scripture about Christ Rein?
Not how it is defined
@@InspiringPhilosophy oh
No because Christian nationalism is a form of idolatry that attributes the political goals of a nation or political ideology to Christ. And by nature it ignores the larger family of Christ outside the nation's borders.
Christ's reign is a Spiritual Reign, not a physical. We shall be like the Angels... Bodyless🤷
God is a nationalist. The Austrian painter was not. The Bible is a nationalist book. Mein kampf is not. Christianity is nationalist. NS is not
Yes it can
And it's based
Nothing wrong with Christian Nationalism.
>Inbred Hapsburg as pfp
Opinion discarded
Your Christ will claim to have never known you.
I don’t live in Ethiopia, the first declared christian nation.
@@matthewsteele5229That is impossible. God knows all of His creations.
@@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482Nice ad hominem.
Nationalism isn't bad, on the contrary, it's good.
Is group preservation a sin?
People can marry whatever ethnicity they want.
@@Julius064 and people can also decide that they do not want their country to import cheap labour from poor countries to suppress wages.
@Twenty faces I think many different political systems are compatible with Christianity, including nationalism.
Immigration is not a Christian value, it’s a neutral one.
@@Julius064say this to the pre reconquesta Spanish 😁. Also it’s the parents who decide if u are allowed to marry or not.
Depends on how you “preserve” it
"anti-immigration sentiment". At the risk of sounding like a very people I disagree with I have to make this point. There's a difference between immigration and illegal immigration. I think that point needs to be made clear and it was not in this video or did I miss something
And with the musulims! Is very very very intresting how they dont want to live in their own countries. Now is it?
@Not So Nice Johnson nasty stuff. My point still stands about them just loveing to come to christian nations and reack them just like they did to their own countries.
@@dr_dave512 I don't understand what your comment has to do with mine.
It's not in this video because this is a leftwing channel. IP clearly has disdain for patriots.
The very first sentence in this video is an anti-nationalist statement.
@@ThecrosseyedTexan is simply that a great deal of illegals come from war tourn nations. And it somenthing that came to my mind. Hope you dont mind.
My fiancé is Hispanic and I go to a Hispanic church. The same people who are against Hispanic immigration don’t realize that they’re denying access to ALOT of real Christian hardworking people.
Because we dont owe people citizenship? What are you on about lots of hardworking good people around the world they cant all come here thats not how countries work
@@eg4848 don’t forget the country is built on stolen wealth and on the back and blood of slaves. Also stolen land from the natives. Just remember that
@@eg4848 Actually, Europe works pretty well with it's open borders for EU citizens, and less strict immigration laws.
I'm white and work construction...in Florida. Every Mexican I've met were hardworking, respectful, and most times have a faith in Jesus...or Hey seus in Spanish😅😅
@@eg4848 you came here...after your. Ancestors stole the country from native Americans
What silliness. Nationalism simply means you identify with your country. That's it! Stop spouting crazy. It took NATIONALISM in Britain, the USA, Australia, New Zealand, France, Poland, USSR, China to defeat Fascist Nations in WW2.
Nationalism was one of the reasons the WW2, and many other wars, had started in the first place.
Don’t forget all these social aspects are seen in Christian minority communities in non Christian majority countries
FYI: nazism literally got they’d “purity aryan logo” beliefs from Jainism..
And the pope at the time saved many Jews during the holocaust
If anyone still thinks there is any tenuous link between Christianity and Fascism, I would encourage you to read “Neither Left Nor Right” by Zeev Sternhell, a history of the origins of Fascism in France, it’s Revolutionary, Socialistic origins and why it failed to gain root in France because of the conservative resistance to it.
I would go as far as to say that anyone who thinks there is any connection between traditional Christianity and Fascism or post-enlightenment Nationalism, however tenuous, fundamentally doesn’t understand what Fascism is actually about.
Sadly, most people who just absorb what the media feeds them don't bother to understand what fascism, national socialism and communism are, their differences, and most importantly the commonalities between those ideologies. To even suggest that Christianity could ever lead to such results is pure ignorance.
I'll go tell Engelbert Dolfuss, Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, Leon Degrelle, and others that they weren't real Christians. Everybody knows that true Christianity is about secular liberalism, I mean who doesn't love divorce, sexual degeneracy, and constant revolution.
You already put words in my mouth
I find this kind of confusing because most of the Christian Nationalists I know do go to church regularly.
Oh i hope so
Nooooo?
Watching your video reminded me of Carman's "America Again"... your research seems to have confirmed the point that one of the best Christian worship musicians made in the 90s with this song...
I dont agree with being against Christian nationalism. It was something that United caucasians which is normally impossible to do
I initially liked this guy, but at the end of the day he's just as much as a cuck as the guy who runs MythVision. In fact, by his anti Nationalist position he is against Christ himself.
I'd point to Leon Degrelle as an example of Christianity and Nationalism complimenting each other.
I damn well hope so.
It does not matter the religion or ideology: Pagan Rome's Ceasar Cult persecuting Christians and Jews, Emporer Justinian's codification of Christian Law punishing pagans in Byzantium, The English and Catholic Church prosecuting dissidents, American Colonies and Salem witch trials, Islamic Caliphates, and Stalin's Atheistic regime.... When power and religion mix it is tyranny. I am talking on these matters
Hello sir. Can you make a video about slavery in the Bible and try to debunk Dillahunty's arguments
I recommend watching his videos on the mosaic law, hopefully they can help you out. th-cam.com/play/PL1mr9ZTZb3TUhTlvIkuRaRFjqYUG_fy6E.html (that’s the playlist)
@@OldManD222 ty
this Mohammedan Empire." Hitler concluded, "It's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"1
Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich, trans. Richard and Clara Winston (New York: Avon, 1971), 96.
The Nazis hated Christianity.
The Nazis are Pagan
The Nazis are pagan
Sanitizing history much, are we?
there's nothing wrong with christian nationalism
Absolutely nothing wrong!
nationalism does not mean that one thinks his/her nation is superior to others. Merely it means to take pride in one's own country. sort of like a stronger version of patriotism.
Pride is a sin.
@@johnsanity elaborate more please
@@burrito1413 Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.” Proverbs 16:5 “The LORD detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.” Proverbs 16:18 “Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.”
@@johnsanity you are mistaking pride for excess self esteem. However nationalism is not about feelings of superiority to others. Quite the contrary, it is the admiration and sense of comradery of a nation.
@@burrito1413 Pride: a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
"the team was bursting with pride after recording a sensational victory"
I think that it is healthy for Christians to be politically active, such as advocating for the down scaling of abortions, but not trying to hit people over the head with a Bible and expect that they will love God as a result, which is what extreme nationalism attempts to accomplish.
Satanist don't even deserve a first chance
Saying god loves you 24 houers per day is more annoying and bigger turn off than anything right wing christians do
@@nonradicalnationalist6608 Well I guess if it gets used as a catch phrase without explaining what it means and how it applies, sure. But why do you think so?
@@migaotto292 some Christians on internent post jesus loved you type of comments in topics which have nothing to do with christianity and that's annoying and will turn many people away from religion
@@nonradicalnationalist6608 I get you. It is like someone telling me that Gandhi loves me. Without any context the big question is: why does it matter? That is why the love of Jesus must always be prefaced by the sinfulness of man and the judgement of God. Because only when we realise how far we have fallen and how holy God is, does the love of Jesus, expressed through the cross, find it's meaning and significance.
To anyone seeing this. Every Christian, Nationalist or combination of the two must be compelled to read The Talmud. Let The Talmud speak for itself. Then more importantly to read, For My Legionaires by Corneliu Codreanu. The PDF is on Odysee. That is what Christian Nationalism is.
an unfortunate thumbnail
It will lure more people in
We have way too little nationalism. We should take more pride in our towns, cities, States, and nation. Our towns and cities are dumps, and the population has become a freak show. It's embarrassing.
Chrisianity and gay rights have nothing in common.
I agree with you. That is why you have to evolve our morality.
@@michaelhenry1763 what do you mean by me evolving our morality?
@@snokehusk223 i mean we have the moral teachings of Christianity and apply them to groups that it has not applied to before. For example, when the Declaration of Independence was written, it only applied to white men with property, however, Fredrick Douglass and later MLK expanded the promise to others.
In the same way, we can take Jesus’ teaching and Paul’s chapter on love and expand it to minority groups like LGBTQ.
@@michaelhenry1763 you are forgetting other teachings of Jesus, God created man and woman to be one, any other relationship than this is a sin, don't you remember what happened with Sodoma and Gomora, men slept with men, women with women, they did whatever they wanted and so God brought punishment to them, also God's morals are objective and can not be changed because they are perfect, humans laws can not even be compared to God's, God says that all men are equal, and same is said in the Declaration which was inspired by God's word, the other thong is why didn't everybody follow this and that is because of humans evil, so if we love those people we need to tell them the truth and not support them in their illusion
@@snokehusk223 it’s not that I am forgetting them. I am saying we have to expand on some and ignore others. For example, love your neighbors as yourself or treat others the way you want to be treated. Expand on those, universalized them. Treat LGBTQ the way you want to be treated. Love the illegal immigrant as yourself. See.
Ignore others ( Christians do this all the time anyway). Marriage: allow divorce because we know better. There are other reasons besides unfaithfulness. Allow more people to marry. See
We need to evolve our moral thinking to incorporate more people.
Don’t worry, Yahweh is not going to smite you. If he does, he sinned and broke his own law. Now Jesus has to die for him too.
Though our love and allegiance don't belong to God *alone*, they belong to Him *first*.
I'm from Serbia where Christian nationalism is commonplace. It perpetuates hatred of homosexuals, is violent, and the wars in the 90s showed its bloody fate during the fall of Yugoslavia.
I gotta ask though, have you read the response to Woodbery's paper - Christianity doesn't cause democracy? And what are your thoughts on it?
Do you want Serbia to become less Christian?
>perpetual hate of gaes, you say that like it's a negative
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It is a sin
Hating your brother is murder committed at the heart like how looking at a woman with lustful eyes is Adultery and fornication
Wow, some sense in this comment section.
I expect led a more in depth look at what can be extracted directly from mere christian doctrine. Simply looking at a bunch of research about church goers snd ungoers is insufficient and honestly quite misleading ("especially considering the questionable quality of our modern academic class"). In my eyes Christianity is NOT incompatible with nationalism. In fact it's quite uncharitable to say that considering the several generations of Christians who fought to protect the religious and cultural legacy we now enjoy (and bastardize). We cannot call the numerous Christian societies of the middle ages just proto-fascist authoritarian regimes that were unchristian. Christianity is incompatible with fascism and socialism, yes, since they put too much emphasis on worshipping the State or an unchristian escathon. Christian puts nationalism in check and balances it. The fact church goers today support liberal policies simply is a result of the successful cultural takeover by whigs and later social dems. We should also poll chrch goers on how much they understand their own religion, and if they think they are more christian than their ancestors. I believe you arrive at this conclusion IP by being skeptical about the real effects of immigration and cultural genocide. I recommend Richard M Weaver's "Ideas have Consequences" and to further observe religious relations on what we call the muslim world. The muslim world was once the center of the Christian world, but it almost disappeared afterwards. Every nation has the right to defend its cultural heritage. You don't need authoritarianism, or a messianic figure, or fascism, because nationalism doesn't necessarily entail these things. That's just a liberal myth.
And before anyone asks: yes I'm a church goer. I'm a Catholic. I'm not a fascist. I'm against the modern day State (a modern secularist invention) as I'm against so called democratic republics (a freak of nature invented by whig liberals). A truly christian society is well ordered, embraces the escathon as the final cause of the society itself, and protects its christian culture so that future generations may also have access to the religion and wisdom of the nation.
Is our primary identity citizens of the kingdom of God (1 Peter 2:11-12), or citizens of X nation? For many Americans today, they are American first, Republican/Democrat second, “Christian” third.
As pointed out in The Prodigal Prophet by Tim Keller, Jonah was called by God to prophecy to Nineveh, but because of his nationalism and hatred of Nineveh, he went against God’s command, because he was putting his identity as a Hebrew above his identity as a prophet (Jonah 1:8-9).
This does not mean that it is wrong to be informed about current affairs and to pray for the country and its leaders (1 Timothy 2:1-4), but that our identity as Christians should be above all else.
And when we pray for the country, do we do so for the kingdom of God, or for our own comfort (James 4:3)? Sometimes what we think of as the best for our country may not be what is actually best in God’s eyes.
Sometimes God allows a country to go through suffering, because God can use what men intended for evil for good (Genesis 50:20). Very often, many people come to God during troubled times.
Symphonia is the only answer but this can not be forced.
If Michael's theory was correct, and I wish it was because then American democracy wouldn't be teetering on the edge of existence, why wouldn't MORE secular countries like western Europe have stronger Christian nationalism movements than here in the United States?
The United States is MORE religious than western Europe but the problem with Xtian nationalism is HERE. I agree while most Christians aren't trying topple democracy it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the lot. This in combination with the fact most Christians are FOLLOWERS has brought us to the position we are in.
Because those countries are barely Christian so they have more secular nationalistic movement rather than Christian nationist movements
Christian bashing on TH-cam-who’d have thought it…?
Replace Christian with another large religion in the title and see what happens
I don't see Democracy as a virtue, in fact, I think it's a very bad thing. So that is not a good point for Protestants. Many of the other good things are true of protestants but it's interesting that you don't mention the Catholic Church's remarkably positive influence on these things as well, I would argue it was even to a stronger degree as counter-popular-narrative that may sound. Dr. Thomas E. Woods Jr. has a great book on this called How The Catholic Church Built Western Civilization. Rodney Stark has also written quite a lot on the remarkably positive influence the Catholic Church has had on the world and refutes many of the lies told by Protestants and Atheists that are taken for grant it in our popular culture today, despite those lies largely being totally laughable to actual historians.
Great vid!
It's an interesting perspective. But the analysis overlooks how mainstream churches, such as John MacArthur, has specifically argued for a removal of the first amendment since it allows for views that aren't Christian and, therefore, undesirable to say the least. There is a definite rise in churches that rub shoulders with extreme right wing positions, particularly with the Trump presidency. Although most churches wouldn't say they are nationalistic, their voting positions and overall stances on a variety of issues does lend to that analysis.
In addition, many of the prominent church leaders in Nazi Germany were actually sympathetic to the Nazi cause. It was this reason that theologians, such as Bonhoeffer, criticized pastors and the Church for not standing against the Nazi regime. This is a particular black mark for the catholic church as well. Although it would be wrong to say that being more religious makes you nationalistic, the main issue is not the amount of religiosity but the co-opting of people's religious tendencies to rub shoulders with political and ideological positions that run against scripture or encourage behavior that threatens the lives of people we live next to.
Christian Nationalism in its weak and strong forms is a definite issue with regards to the church and its ability to be taken seriously. The long tradition of conservative Christians focusing on political power from the 1970s with the moral majority still holds to this day among most evangelical and conservative churches. It's something that I believe needs to change for the church to truly make a difference in the lives of both Christians and non-Christians alike.
How is the rise of the Nazis a black mark on the Catholic Church? They largely opposed the Nazis, and Dachau held many priests and Nuns.
Nationalism is not Nazi, ... Right Wing Nationalism is not Nazi-ism, Nazi is National Socialism, that's LEFT WING, not RIGHT WING, there are over 400 quotes of Hitler making it clear the Nazi's are Socialists. You making an Equivocation for right wing is absurd and irrational.
Yes, and it is good thing.
How about rather then blaming none Christians for the Bad Behavior of the Christians.
You Ask and Wonder why so many are leaving the Church and Fix the things when you find out why!
See his video on Ravi Zacharias he IP says that all people Christians or not fall short eventually and sin.
you define "Christian Nationalism" (2:30) wrong. What you described here is a Theocracy.
Awesome video, well done.
Thank you
It seems that nationalists are very religious about something, it just isn't the God of the Bible that they're religious about.
Patriotism is defined as a sense of devotion, duty &/or personal sacrifice for ones nation, (and the values that it stands for). Nationalism, on the other hand, is a form of patriotism which has been hijacked by personal pride, (of which leads to a sense of superiority). Christianity, when followed correctly, solves this problem by teaching people to relinquish personal pride, and to cultivate humility and dignity, in its place.
Nationalism is putting the interests of the nation first, preserving the nations identity and its right to remain sovereign. If you loved your country and would sacrifice yourself for it wouldn’t you also support this?
@Twenty faces agreed, Christ is always more important than nation. But why does that make CHRISTIAN nationalism any more or less Christian than Christian socialism or Christian liberal democracy?
In Christian democracy, the will of the people is second to that of Christ. It doesn’t make democracy inherently anti Christian.
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Do you believe that there's any discernable differences between Patriotism and Nationalism?
@@1StepForwardToday I understand patriotism to be a feeling of pride in or love for your country. Whereas nationalism is a system where each people group or ethnicity or nation should have self governance, promote its own interests and seek to ensure its posterity.
@@1StepForwardToday Patriotism is just the American word for nationalism.
true Christianity is not what political party you should vote It's about Believing on Jesus Christ only
I was definitely not expecting a video like this. Although I suppose it's good to assert that Christianity is not really at all about being true to one's country or national identity.
Then what use is it ?
Christianity is not about being a loser, and those who would hand over their country and watch the destruction of their family and finally the teachings of their God at the hands of their enemy, are the biggest losers of all.
@@felixfedre518 The idea that every ethnic or national group should see itself as a victim of persecution has had terrible consequences around the world, regardless of whether that ethnic/ national group was European or not. Politicians sure do love it, though.
@@felixfedre518 I don't think Christianity is about passively letting community and truth be destroyed. Perhaps it might be helpful to reframe nationalism and Christianity in terms of primary loyalty. In part, Christianity can be a check and balance against the bad excesses of nationalism, because it places allegiance to God above allegiance to the nation-state, political party, culture, tribe, or ethnicity.
Regarding your concerns about losing, please be encouraged by the following:
Be salt and light while you can wherever you are, and labor for the master while he is absent. Jesus is coming to reign, and he brings reward with him (c.f. Revelation 22:12-17), and verse 15 of that passage also says that those who love and practice falsehood (among other misdeeds) will be expelled.
Remember Daniel 2:24-45 -- God's kingdom will eventually bring all other kingdoms and their injustices to an end, but this will not ultimately be done by human hands. Ultimately, it is God who accomplishes this, not people.
It's all too easy to believe that our primary struggle is against other people, especially when they oppose us, but Ephesians 6:11-13 reminds us that our principle conflict is not against "flesh and blood."
Likewise, Revelation 7:9-17 -- God will reserve for himself people from "every nation, tribe, people and language" while not removing those differences, because those differences are still identifiable in John's vision of the end.
Galatians 3:26-29 also shows us that, for Christians, our primary identity is in Christ, rather than in any other facet of our existence, and it shows that this identity becomes the basis for unity with other people who are radically different than we are.
Philippians 2:1-13 shows us that Christians are to be humble like Jesus, but it also reminds us that everything will ultimately be put under submission to Jesus as the final and highest authority. Also, I Corinthians 15:20-28.
Hebrews 11:13-16 -- God has a better country prepared for us.
If you are in Christ, you ultimately can't lose, no matter what, even if you do lose in this life. Personally, I find God's sovereignty and his promise of Christ's victory very encouraging, even if I wouldn't want to see the nation-state to which I have some allegiance be destroyed or become worse. But even if the nation of which I am a citizen does become worse or become destroyed, my victory remains secure in Christ.
@@fhengal you are a Christian
The question is based on a false premise, one that betrays the fact that the author(s) have yet to understand the real purpose of Religion, have yet to discern that there exists a Paradigm called 'Progressive Revelation". This paradigm although vaguely alluded to in the former Religions and therefore easy to miss, tells us that all the Religions emanate from God, are sent at regular intervals of approx. 1000 years, and serve as a continuum intended to be in synch with the mental capacities of an ever-evolving humanity and to address specific moral and social exigencies unique to each epoch of our evolution.
When a Religion overstays its Divinely-mandated period of efficacy, its adherents out of desperation choose to distort the original intent of a particular Religion to address the new era. Christian Nationalism is just one example of this desperation; Germany's dalliance with Naziism led many Germans to want to create a new Bible(Aryan Bible) and redefine Jesus as an Aryan while obliterating His Jewish heritage. In Islam there was a 17th Century cleric named Muhammad Abdu'l Wahhab who chose to distort Islam to deal with the challenges of the onset of Modernity---Wahhabism, a severe and extremist form of Islam that has wreaked all sorts of havoc across the Muslim world and beyond.
There has been yet another renewal of Religion---The Baha'i Faith, whose Author is Baha'u'llah. Within the volumes of Text written by His own handwriting, and otherwise dictated through an amanuensis, we find at last a fuller expression of religious knowledge which the previous Messengers from God were not permitted by God to disclose what now is being expatiated via Baha'u'llah.
This reminds me of David Wood. He is just like, he can live with both worlds.
David wood got his azz kicked by danial the muslim, danial is 100% right about violence being nessarry
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“For the normative self-understanding of modernity, Christianity has functioned as more than just a precursor or catalyst. Universalistic egalitarianism, from which sprang the ideals of freedom and a collective life in solidarity, the autonomous conduct of life and emancipation, the individual morality of conscience, human rights and democracy, is the direct legacy of the Judaic ethic of justice and the Christian ethic of love. This legacy, substantially unchanged, has been the object of a continual critical reappropriation and reinterpretation. Up to this very day there is no alternative to it. And in light of the current challenges of a post-national constellation, we must draw sustenance now, as in the past, from this substance. Everything else is idle postmodern talk.”
― Jürgen Habermas (Analytical Marxist/Sociologist)
Nationalism is based
#AmericaFirst
I would rather Christianity be extreme and become illegal than be weak and legal
extreme and legal
Couldnt u say the same for islam? This whole argument could be made for those who are christian and say that islam does this.
Excellent point. You could just exchange the words around.
When the apostles asked Jesus what the signs of His coming would be, the 1st thing He said was, ‘don’t be deceived.’ We are told that in the end Satan will produce such a deception that “even the very elect” would be deceived if possible. So, we need to seek TRUTH! God has a thing for truth-He is seeking those who worship Him in “spirit and Truth”. From now on, truth will be increasingly difficult to identify. Pray for HS to guide and give U discernment and be a Berean-don’t swallow everything a preacher tells U. Jesus said they would come in His name! Don’t go on opinion-go on the Bible-God’s own word! The Bible is it’s own expositor-it explains itself.
You should do research on why so many Christians went along with NSDAP, what books were being burned and what was going on before they took power. If you want to help prevent things like this from repeating I'd highly recommend it
The Christians who went along with NSDAP probably did so for the same reasons atheists who went along with CPSU did although we can also consider the western elevation of nation over personal ideology probably had a lot more to do with it.
For balance sake, on the antitheist end of things the Komsomol partook in their own book burnings way before the NSDAP did and folks could also ask what was going on before the CPSU took power. On that note these things you think might make a resurgence in the modern world are already happening just not in Christian majority states.
@@pariahpariah7048 I highly recommend ten minute bible hours video on Romans 13. In the video he talks about how devout christians were against the Nazis yet the Nazis purposely implemented phoney church leaders in a silent coup for power, and used those phony church leaders to brainwash the public into hating Jews.
The Nazis hated Christianity.
I just want Christ to be the king, so I'm actually an absolute monarchist.
I don't know what I am but I do think a good government helps makes sinning significantly more difficult.
Wouldn’t the ideas of democratic freedom especially in the U.S. take route from Anglo Saxon law such as the Magna Carta. If that’s so, then the ideas of freedom predate the reformation.