Anyone remember the WoO used to broadcast on TNN Sports Cavalcade in the 80s and 90s. It was very condensed into 2 hours maximum, tape delayed and edited. They'd show just the heat races. B-main and A-main. That didnt last as TV broadcasting is an audience capturing game. Its not a heavy draw vs NASCAR, NHRA nor Formula 1. Streaming whatever track they broadcast gives the viewer a choice to see the entire show, track prep cautions, etc. Its a better feel for the viewer as if they were actually there
We are at a tipping point in dirt where we want/need more money coming in. However the more corporate/commercial interest the less grass roots it will be. Drivers will always be worried about pleasing a sponsor or w.e and it will take away from the raw/realness of our beloved sport. Cheers another great show!
What are people talking about. Delusional with out logic, fact or historical knowledge. No wonder the industry is in the state that it is. First of all, the cost of the sport which has grown 10x the pace of natural inflation has already made the economics of sport unobtainable. The top tier of the sport is already fully dependent on sponsorship revenue and wealthy ownership. If you think the the majority of those guys are traveling solely because they are the most organic talent in the nation your duly confused and sharing a delusion no different then nascar fans. The sport once had broad spectrum exposure across multiple traditional media platforms including television and was not only cheaper, it had more fans in the stands and sponsor interest. This sport has a major…major problem procuring sponsor interest for both regional and national teams. Small mom and pop Sponsors aren’t interested in advertising with local teams which is required for sustainability and new talent introduction. They aren’t interested due to the lack of metrics on advertising to evaluate their ROI, drastic fall off in fan attendance and a lack of basic awareness of the sport. The question isn’t about ruing the sport, it’s about the viability and benefits of adding the cable market. The irrational assumptions only demonstrate that the backwards views demographic of this sport is the very source of erosion which is killιng the sport. The self sabotage that constantly resists and retards any change, growth, expansion and sustainability. It’s like a 500lb person refusing to stop eating when they become bed ridden. That’s our sport, Bed ridden. We once sold more tickets to events then all forms of sports combined. Now we can’t fill a single section of the stands on a beautiful Saturday in july. You clearly don’t understand the sponsorship world or how difficult it is today to secure a sponsor today. Any…..Any exposure is good for the sport on multiple levels. This includes gaining a desperately needed sponsor interest! Tracks alone struggle to gain marketing partnerships today. You all think a few races on television will instantly saturate the sport with large financial influence? Lol it won’t, but that would be a good thing. Your confusing cup with dirt. Cup grew on the television market during a different time. That can’t be replicated today. They actually struggle to find sponsorship. They’ve been very public about this. Their entire model has changed to accommodate this evolution. If they started broadcasting on tv and 50 major companies instantly and magically wanted to invest in the industry that would be dope not bad. But that’s a foolish prediction that doesn’t align with fact or modern reality. These companies have abandoned traditional marketing for digital. The larger sponsors you do see in the industry is typically a result of nepotism, personal interest and bureaucracy more then it is our market or a target demographic. There’s little interest by these companies to market to dirt track fans. They don’t need to. They already have enough data on you to influence your buying decisions digitally. You all seem to forget that speed was how we watched outlaw races back on the day. The world didn’t crumble and more did it impact the cost. That was artificially inflated by multiple factors including greed from manufacturers.
As the EP of Night Thunder on Australian TV - this is a very blinkered view regarding packaging on TV. We do it here live. Would love to deliver a counter view to your argument.
Live TV is different in America, as is the level of interest in dirt racing. Dirt track racing in America is a VERY niche sporting event. Most tracks hold under 10,000 people....for very good reasons....and several well-established tracks close every year. It's not a booming business model. The downtime at dirt races is ridiculous. This last weekend's WoO event in Kansas and the complete shit show the weekend before (2.5-hour lighting delay) are perfect examples of why no network will carry these things live.
I think streaming is fine just wish the monthly cost was lower, i think if one of the big two went down to around 20$ a month they would see a big increase in subscribers
It would be totally possible to do an abbreviated program on tv with 4 or 5 heat races and an a main. (No b) Just put a time limit on the heats. Now is it actually worth it i have no idea.
I really think that 10 week Slick 50 winter series from Manzanita Speedway and Canyon Raceway back in the early ‘90s that was aired live on TNN was really good and done well. They ran complete midget show early and then ran the winged sprint portion (outside of qualifying) live on TNN. It took a week or two to get the lighting set right for the track initially, but I think for its time, it was pretty successful. I believe you can search and watch some of those on TH-cam.
We have a live free to air TV digital broadcast on 7PLUS under the name Night Thunder of some Sprintcar races from Perth Motorplex and recently the Australian Sprintcar Title at Warrnambool Victoria. Some broadcast times last as long as 6 plus hours . It's been a success for the exposure of our sport of Speedway. Cheers Mad Matt 🇦🇺
I gotta say having a quick 10 is minute video to watch most days of the week that's well informed and upto date is far and away better than a longer form "weekly update" style keep up the quality content 👍
In the 1970s, ABC Wide World of Sports broadcasted several dirt oval motorcycle races. They had a few good broadcasts, but they also had several rainouts that were busts.
I remember those flat track races on Wide World of Sports and at the time I was ecstatic to get them . That said I don't think the public would except the old Wide World of Sports formula of showing showing short segments of multiple sports going from motorsports racing to gymnastics and then cliff diving from Acapulco.
You have done another great job educating me on important issues I don't understand and didn't know I should understand better. I was so disappointed when SRX failed,it seems a great concept and I went to see many events live and could watch many events from the cabin with no cable/ Internet needed. Streaming seems to be the future of everything and this Old School fan will probably see more dirt racing live whether it be High Limit or dirt late model supercar..
I’ve been to a Lucas race that was aired live on TV, and an outlaw sprint car race that was live on tv. On both occasions the track prep was rushed so they could make the TV window, and on both occasions the racing was beyond terrible as a result. Every year we hear the same thing about chilibowl track prep. They DON’T rush the prep for tv, so everyone complains about how bored they are in the time the prep takes.
Your right Jeremy it’s a niche inside a niche sport. The general population has no idea what a sprint car is. I hear it asked all the time, what is that a rail or a dune buggy their racing?
It goes as I have heard most people don't get to the track to watch time trials. They get there to watch heats, dash, and mains. You can do that in 2 hours, if you don't have much of a (1) sub-division and a track redo. Run heats, Dash, B-main, A-main. Heats are timed as well as laps. Same with B-main Timed and laps. If the A-main gets over by 9:30 you could show time trials. So the time would be 8:00 track time to 10:00 track time.
Dirt racing coverage on tv has really been picking up in Australia. They show a whole sprint car series on channel 7 live and free. It’s great exposure. I’m sure over the next coming years it’s only going to get bigger.
The comments about sports PAYING to be on TV is spot on. With the exception of the major sports, all other broadcasts, including the NHRA ( as said), SRX when it was around, professional bowling ( on Fox also), fishing and "why the heck are these sports on ESPN?" like cornhole all PAY for the broadcast time.
Have a look into night thunder in Australia. Its not live on national tv but they do broadcast it free on one of the big tv network from time to time. Might be nice to have a quick look into
What logic substantiates that metric besides common, yet misguided, fact less, irrational and biased open? I remember when people claimed that about super cross (which the did). Any mass public exposure, demographic expansion and new market engagement equates to fan acquisition. The current and transitional don’t require altering to accommodate traditional forms of media and the negatives introduced to other forms of Motorsports aren’t likely to happen as the financial motivations and influences are no longer in play. The question isn’t whether TV will somehow magically erode the quality of the sport. The question is it viable to approach the television market with the current state of the sport and required financial investment. Will the net gains in modern society be worth said investment. The sport generally tends to resist any form of change and demographic expansion. They certainly fail to recognize the necessity of adequate marketing and basic promotional strategies. All the while crying about attendance, track closures, lack of purse money, lack of sponsor interest and lack of media coverage concerning results. The question and debate isn’t about ruining the industry. It’s about viability. But go on guys, break down exactly how it would “ruin” the sport. Use logical reasoning and facts. I’m curious.
@ChrisS-oo6fl Sadly I think he's right since it seems quite a few track owners would rather just let the track sit abandoned rather than actually figuring out to run an efficient program.
The first time I remember live dirt racing on TV was on TNN about 30 years ago ewith a winter sprint car series run by Pat Patterson. ESPN had run live pavement races for years but live dirt racing had a lot of challenges. Some of the biggest problems were the weather. TNN was the king of live sprint car racing, doing seveeral shows including Knoxville for several years.
Definitely a Doubled edge sword. Bringing dirt racing to the mainstream would bring more money for the tracks and teams. However everyone knows this will eventually destroy the true character, charm and grass roots nature of what attracts the core fan base to dirt racing.
While I agree with the majority of what you have said the NHRA is a poor choice for comparison. Live NHRA died from oil downs that caused 30 minute delays or worst in the case of back to back incidents. (This comment has been prerecorded)
Absolutely NO TV! It took dirt racing decades to get the attention it has now. Keep it pure, keep the personal connection it feels like we have now with streaming, and the production crews who actually know something about the sport. TV is junk nowadays. It will ruin dirt racing. Wait until NBC replaces Jr. with the British guy from a few years back. It will be a huge mistake by NASCAR. Something just wrong about watching NASCAR with a British accent reverberating through the house!
Even I- an ex racer and fan can't watch outlaw heat races because of not enough happening. Professional racers basically hot lap and follow the leader in most heats. They don't make mistakes that lead to excitement.
I no longer have cable and only inconsistent local network tv. Streaming appears to be the future. The streaming services will continue to change as we have seen. Flo exiting the small/local races is a current example. Smaller streaming services have been created but I see most of those falling away over time due to failure of the company or perhaps profitability that leads to investors selling at great profit to a large entity.
The number one issue with short tracks is lighting, second is visibility. Not just dust and shade but the placement of camera towers needs to be designed into the tracks. All this and pit coverage before, during and after a event has always been a challenge that the broadcast people can't finance. This has to be track AND series investment and outside of Eldora and Lucas oil speedway few have the resources for this. Tape delay for weeknight broadcast is most feasible way in as Friday/ Saturday 4 hour time slot would be prohibitively expensive. Not to mention rainouts/ delays! 8:28 A series based show could film biography and technology pieces for filler and background to make a professional, interesting show Capable production is out there, but not the big dollars for the years it will take to put it on a national concept. Be happy with what we have and promote it as much as you (racer and fan ) can. 8:28
Live Streaming works perfect for dirt... not always the best, but way better than not watching at all... Throw in a fight in the pits involving a shovel, or cops arresting a driver..... probably not the best for network TV, but perfect for a live stream... 😂
@@DaveWBuf I Mean this is going back to the 90's but I remember Motor Madness was a 4-5 hour block (and before when they just had standalone WOO sprint car events) and they would show the majority of the event. Like, I think they showed some heat race highlights between B-Mains and such but all the Mains at least were broadcast live.
Question: Anybody know how much it costs these organizations to buy broadcast time on FoxSports, CBS, etc.? How feasible is it to sell advertising to series sponsors to cover the cots of buying cable/broadcast time?
There is no money left in regular television. The NFL is selling games to streaming services and MLB and NBA only have a few games weekly. Streaming is the closest to ideal for broadcasting dirt racing. You get to see most of the racing in real time. (except when it goes down) It may seem expensive, but the streaming services need to make a profit for the work that they do and think what it would cost you to go to the track and enjoy everything live, it would be even more expensive in most instances.
I like dirt racing the way it feels currently. Down to earth. Area guys fighting off the touring series for top spot. To be fair I stopped watching NFL and Nascar for the politics and the big hype. To me it lost the appeal. That and all the commercial breaks.
i would rather keep with the dirt shows on a streaming service. i can pay one lump sum for the year and don't have to make monthly payments to a cable or satellite provider. then risk said provider get into contract negotiations and dropping said channels. with flo and dirt vision they are there and will only change from season to season.
Man i feel like for major events they should do it supercross style. I always felt like they have it perfect. Qualify and weed out the porblematic guys before the broadcast. Get it down to a handful of races leading up to the main and be done in 3 hours. I know its a different motorsport, but a page out of the supercross book i feel like would make it more possible. Then again, Supercross seems to have been pushed back to peacock most of the time anyway....
Dirt racing is not great for live TV, especially Sprints because of the prospect of multiple extended reds. Streaming is a whole different game because people watching on streaming are purists who understand the sport and accept the delays. Dirt racing absolutely would work on a tape delay basis so they could edit the event into something that works for the rhythms of broadcast/cable TV.
Streaming is great. We all know what happens when you chase money and make that the most important thing. Dirt racing has never had it better with streaming access.
I will stick with the live stream pay per view I have tried that watching later stuff and someone always let out who one before you watch it I don’t mind paying so long as it’s live
Tv is dead endless ads and endless repeats have killed it for me. I cancelled my cable.I also haven’t watched crash car since around 2000 it’s all about money.
I was at my friend Ryan's Friday night and we were watching Attica under vision the coverage was horrible the the camera work was horrible there were moments of just silence nothing being said seemed very amateur
After watching NASCAR turn itself into SHAMCAR I would have no interest in watching any dirt racing on broadcast TV. The way they changed the way they covered their racing helped destroy it. I'd rather watch the kids race karts at Millbridge on DIRTVision than watch any SHAMCAR event. If High Limit goes to Fox it will destroy itself too.
Dirt racing is too rough neck for network tv.. too much fighting and cussing etc... but I do believe if they would show the big shows (chili bowl, late model dream, wrld 100, kings royal) on TV tht would help the sport reach new audiences and even reach new sponsorships
Dirt racing is too visceral 8:43 for television. A person can only see or hear what cameras and microphones pick up. You can't feel anything. To me that feeling is like a drug. Just knowing who wins is just not as satisfying in my opinion.
I really enjoyed the Thursday night thunder on ESPN. They showed almost all of the races. It was a longer show. Thanks for all you do. Great show!
Anyone remember the WoO used to broadcast on TNN Sports Cavalcade in the 80s and 90s. It was very condensed into 2 hours maximum, tape delayed and edited. They'd show just the heat races. B-main and A-main. That didnt last as TV broadcasting is an audience capturing game. Its not a heavy draw vs NASCAR, NHRA nor Formula 1. Streaming whatever track they broadcast gives the viewer a choice to see the entire show, track prep cautions, etc. Its a better feel for the viewer as if they were actually there
We are at a tipping point in dirt where we want/need more money coming in. However the more corporate/commercial interest the less grass roots it will be. Drivers will always be worried about pleasing a sponsor or w.e and it will take away from the raw/realness of our beloved sport. Cheers another great show!
What are people talking about. Delusional with out logic, fact or historical knowledge. No wonder the industry is in the state that it is. First of all, the cost of the sport which has grown 10x the pace of natural inflation has already made the economics of sport unobtainable. The top tier of the sport is already fully dependent on sponsorship revenue and wealthy ownership. If you think the the majority of those guys are traveling solely because they are the most organic talent in the nation your duly confused and sharing a delusion no different then nascar fans. The sport once had broad spectrum exposure across multiple traditional media platforms including television and was not only cheaper, it had more fans in the stands and sponsor interest. This sport has a major…major problem procuring sponsor interest for both regional and national teams. Small mom and pop Sponsors aren’t interested in advertising with local teams which is required for sustainability and new talent introduction. They aren’t interested due to the lack of metrics on advertising to evaluate their ROI, drastic fall off in fan attendance and a lack of basic awareness of the sport. The question isn’t about ruing the sport, it’s about the viability and benefits of adding the cable market. The irrational assumptions only demonstrate that the backwards views demographic of this sport is the very source of erosion which is killιng the sport. The self sabotage that constantly resists and retards any change, growth, expansion and sustainability. It’s like a 500lb person refusing to stop eating when they become bed ridden. That’s our sport, Bed ridden. We once sold more tickets to events then all forms of sports combined. Now we can’t fill a single section of the stands on a beautiful Saturday in july. You clearly don’t understand the sponsorship world or how difficult it is today to secure a sponsor today. Any…..Any exposure is good for the sport on multiple levels. This includes gaining a desperately needed sponsor interest! Tracks alone struggle to gain marketing partnerships today. You all think a few races on television will instantly saturate the sport with large financial influence? Lol it won’t, but that would be a good thing. Your confusing cup with dirt. Cup grew on the television market during a different time. That can’t be replicated today. They actually struggle to find sponsorship. They’ve been very public about this. Their entire model has changed to accommodate this evolution.
If they started broadcasting on tv and 50 major companies instantly and magically wanted to invest in the industry that would be dope not bad. But that’s a foolish prediction that doesn’t align with fact or modern reality. These companies have abandoned traditional marketing for digital. The larger sponsors you do see in the industry is typically a result of nepotism, personal interest and bureaucracy more then it is our market or a target demographic. There’s little interest by these companies to market to dirt track fans. They don’t need to. They already have enough data on you to influence your buying decisions digitally.
You all seem to forget that speed was how we watched outlaw races back on the day. The world didn’t crumble and more did it impact the cost. That was artificially inflated by multiple factors including greed from manufacturers.
I love watching dirt racing on Floracing because of the limited commercial breaks.
As the EP of Night Thunder on Australian TV - this is a very blinkered view regarding packaging on TV. We do it here live. Would love to deliver a counter view to your argument.
Live TV is different in America, as is the level of interest in dirt racing. Dirt track racing in America is a VERY niche sporting event. Most tracks hold under 10,000 people....for very good reasons....and several well-established tracks close every year. It's not a booming business model. The downtime at dirt races is ridiculous. This last weekend's WoO event in Kansas and the complete shit show the weekend before (2.5-hour lighting delay) are perfect examples of why no network will carry these things live.
This guy is not a fan of anything that is not the wrg party line i wouldn't waste your time
Shoot me an email. info@dirtrackr.com
The idea is that the status gained by television exposure.. leads to major attention/attendence/sponsorships/relevance. Like NHRA has.
I think streaming is fine just wish the monthly cost was lower, i think if one of the big two went down to around 20$ a month they would see a big increase in subscribers
It would be totally possible to do an abbreviated program on tv with 4 or 5 heat races and an a main. (No b) Just put a time limit on the heats. Now is it actually worth it i have no idea.
Yeah I agree with this
Thursday night thunder on ESPN was the closest.
LOVED Thursday Night Thunder! 👍
I really think that 10 week Slick 50 winter series from Manzanita Speedway and Canyon Raceway back in the early ‘90s that was aired live on TNN was really good and done well. They ran complete midget show early and then ran the winged sprint portion (outside of qualifying) live on TNN. It took a week or two to get the lighting set right for the track initially, but I think for its time, it was pretty successful. I believe you can search and watch some of those on TH-cam.
30 years ago the Nashville Network, won't work today.
We have a live free to air TV digital broadcast on 7PLUS under the name Night Thunder of some Sprintcar races from Perth Motorplex and recently the Australian Sprintcar Title at Warrnambool Victoria.
Some broadcast times last as long as 6 plus hours . It's been a success for the exposure of our sport of Speedway.
Cheers Mad Matt 🇦🇺
Alot of my friends who are into nascar/indycar would get a flo subscription if it cost less, i think dirt track fans undersell the sport sometimes.
I gotta say having a quick 10 is minute video to watch most days of the week that's well informed and upto date is far and away better than a longer form "weekly update" style keep up the quality content 👍
Justin, top show today. Thanks. 👍
In the 1970s, ABC Wide World of Sports broadcasted several dirt oval motorcycle races. They had a few good broadcasts, but they also had several rainouts that were busts.
I remember those flat track races on Wide World of Sports and at the time I was ecstatic to get them . That said I don't think the public would except the old Wide World of Sports formula of showing showing short segments of multiple sports going from motorsports racing to gymnastics and then cliff diving from Acapulco.
Rainouts happen in pavement racing too?
@@DanielSacker Asphalt can be dried and saved sometimes. A 1/2 mile or mile dirt track can’t.
You have done another great job educating me on important issues I don't understand and didn't know I should understand better. I was so disappointed when SRX failed,it seems a great concept and I went to see many events live and could watch many events from the cabin with no cable/ Internet needed. Streaming seems to be the future of everything and this Old School fan will probably see more dirt racing live whether it be High Limit or dirt late model supercar..
I’ve been to a Lucas race that was aired live on TV, and an outlaw sprint car race that was live on tv. On both occasions the track prep was rushed so they could make the TV window, and on both occasions the racing was beyond terrible as a result.
Every year we hear the same thing about chilibowl track prep. They DON’T rush the prep for tv, so everyone complains about how bored they are in the time the prep takes.
Your right Jeremy it’s a niche inside a niche sport. The general population has no idea what a sprint car is. I hear it asked all the time, what is that a rail or a dune buggy their racing?
I don't even have a TV.
You put a lot of perspective on a daily basis and just want to thank you. I've always wondered about this.
Excellent discussion.
Didnt TNN show the outlaws in the early 90s? I was a kid so I don’t remember if it was live but I remember was watching sprint cars as a kid.
I remember it as well!
Yes. Was excellent with Steve Evans and Brad Doty
Yeah. It was on tnn from the 80s through the 2000s. Locally (pa) they also used to broadcast certain races on public access.
many years ago abc and cbs did . and then espn had thunder for many years
In Australia we have night thunder on free to air TV, Western Australia based ….. best thing ever
It goes as I have heard most people don't get to the track to watch time trials. They get there to watch heats, dash, and mains.
You can do that in 2 hours, if you don't have much of a (1) sub-division and a track redo. Run heats, Dash, B-main, A-main. Heats are timed as well as laps. Same with B-main Timed and laps. If the A-main gets over by 9:30 you could show time trials.
So the time would be 8:00 track time to 10:00 track time.
Dirt racing coverage on tv has really been picking up in Australia. They show a whole sprint car series on channel 7 live and free. It’s great exposure. I’m sure over the next coming years it’s only going to get bigger.
The comments about sports PAYING to be on TV is spot on. With the exception of the major sports, all other broadcasts, including the NHRA ( as said), SRX when it was around, professional bowling ( on Fox also), fishing and "why the heck are these sports on ESPN?" like cornhole all PAY for the broadcast time.
That commentary was quite informative. Please do more of those.
Very well said, BUT Id still like to see it on National tv. TV will draw the corporate sponsors. Just thinl hpw much $$$$ would be spread around lol
Have a look into night thunder in Australia. Its not live on national tv but they do broadcast it free on one of the big tv network from time to time. Might be nice to have a quick look into
Wanna kill dirt racing in 5 minutes..... Put it on network or cable tv.
What logic substantiates that metric besides common, yet misguided, fact less, irrational and biased open? I remember when people claimed that about super cross (which the did). Any mass public exposure, demographic expansion and new market engagement equates to fan acquisition. The current and transitional don’t require altering to accommodate traditional forms of media and the negatives introduced to other forms of Motorsports aren’t likely to happen as the financial motivations and influences are no longer in play. The question isn’t whether TV will somehow magically erode the quality of the sport. The question is it viable to approach the television market with the current state of the sport and required financial investment. Will the net gains in modern society be worth said investment. The sport generally tends to resist any form of change and demographic expansion. They certainly fail to recognize the necessity of adequate marketing and basic promotional strategies. All the while crying about attendance, track closures, lack of purse money, lack of sponsor interest and lack of media coverage concerning results. The question and debate isn’t about ruining the industry. It’s about viability. But go on guys, break down exactly how it would “ruin” the sport. Use logical reasoning and facts. I’m curious.
@ChrisS-oo6fl I agree but you need to use like 80% less words
It's been on tv before this is so dumb. This backwards mentality is what holds the sport back
@ChrisS-oo6fl Sadly I think he's right since it seems quite a few track owners would rather just let the track sit abandoned rather than actually figuring out to run an efficient program.
Or on Netflix
The first time I remember live dirt racing on TV was on TNN about 30 years ago ewith a winter sprint car series run by Pat Patterson. ESPN had run live pavement races for years but live dirt racing had a lot of challenges. Some of the biggest problems were the weather. TNN was the king of live sprint car racing, doing seveeral shows including Knoxville for several years.
Well thought out and you are 100% right. Why would a sanctioning body buy for coverage when then earn money with streaming?
You have a lot of good points!
Definitely a Doubled edge sword. Bringing dirt racing to the mainstream would bring more money for the tracks and teams.
However everyone knows this will eventually destroy the true character, charm and grass roots nature of what attracts the core fan base to dirt racing.
your forgetting thunder on espn. they showed dirt and pavement
Channel 7 in Western Australia does a great job, at the Perth Motorplex, and it is shown live on there 7+ channel.
Do you remember ESPN's Thursday night thunder? That's were Jeff Gordon was found!
While I agree with the majority of what you have said the NHRA is a poor choice for comparison. Live NHRA died from oil downs that caused 30 minute delays or worst in the case of back to back incidents. (This comment has been prerecorded)
Absolutely NO TV! It took dirt racing decades to get the attention it has now. Keep it pure, keep the personal connection it feels like we have now with streaming, and the production crews who actually know something about the sport. TV is junk nowadays. It will ruin dirt racing. Wait until NBC replaces Jr. with the British guy from a few years back. It will be a huge mistake by NASCAR. Something just wrong about watching NASCAR with a British accent reverberating through the house!
Even I- an ex racer and fan can't watch outlaw heat races because of not enough happening. Professional racers basically hot lap and follow the leader in most heats. They don't make mistakes that lead to excitement.
Now that's a great looking shirt, I've got one just like it, just a few sizes larger. I'm Tanners Biggest fan literally
I no longer have cable and only inconsistent local network tv. Streaming appears to be the future. The streaming services will continue to change as we have seen. Flo exiting the small/local races is a current example. Smaller streaming services have been created but I see most of those falling away over time due to failure of the company or perhaps profitability that leads to investors selling at great profit to a large entity.
as time passes tv will go away and it will all be streaming.
i predict less than 30 years.
The number one issue with short tracks is lighting, second is visibility. Not just dust and shade but the placement of camera towers needs to be designed into the tracks.
All this and pit coverage before, during and after a event has always been a challenge that the broadcast people can't finance. This has to be track AND series investment and outside of Eldora and Lucas oil speedway few have the resources for this.
Tape delay for weeknight broadcast is most feasible way in as Friday/ Saturday 4 hour time slot would be prohibitively expensive. Not to mention rainouts/ delays! 8:28
A series based show could film biography and technology pieces for filler and background to make a professional, interesting show
Capable production is out there, but not the big dollars for the years it will take to put it on a national concept. Be happy with what we have and promote it as much as you (racer and fan ) can.
8:28
Live Streaming works perfect for dirt... not always the best, but way better than not watching at all... Throw in a fight in the pits involving a shovel, or cops arresting a driver..... probably not the best for network TV, but perfect for a live stream... 😂
Have you covered what happened to SRX since it was on TV on dirt and now gone.
In 2020 I think when no one else was racing cedar lake had both outlaw series they had a live broadcast on cbs
In the mid 80s ESPN had a show called Thursday nite thunder which was good but we get the highlights on utube for free
I like the T shirt!
It's just odd to me because TNN/Diamond P did it for decades. I wonder if losing the home video market is really what made it no longer viable.
Majority of those broadcasts were edited and tape delayed.
@@DaveWBuf I Mean this is going back to the 90's but I remember Motor Madness was a 4-5 hour block (and before when they just had standalone WOO sprint car events) and they would show the majority of the event. Like, I think they showed some heat race highlights between B-Mains and such but all the Mains at least were broadcast live.
But like I was saying they also released annual VHS home video versions of the Knoxville Nationals, King's Royal and other big events.
Question: Anybody know how much it costs these organizations to buy broadcast time on FoxSports, CBS, etc.?
How feasible is it to sell advertising to series sponsors to cover the cots of buying cable/broadcast time?
There is no money left in regular television. The NFL is selling games to streaming services and MLB and NBA only have a few games weekly. Streaming is the closest to ideal for broadcasting dirt racing. You get to see most of the racing in real time. (except when it goes down) It may seem expensive, but the streaming services need to make a profit for the work that they do and think what it would cost you to go to the track and enjoy everything live, it would be even more expensive in most instances.
I like dirt racing the way it feels currently. Down to earth. Area guys fighting off the touring series for top spot. To be fair I stopped watching NFL and Nascar for the politics and the big hype. To me it lost the appeal. That and all the commercial breaks.
i would rather keep with the dirt shows on a streaming service. i can pay one lump sum for the year and don't have to make monthly payments to a cable or satellite provider. then risk said provider get into contract negotiations and dropping said channels. with flo and dirt vision they are there and will only change from season to season.
Man i feel like for major events they should do it supercross style. I always felt like they have it perfect. Qualify and weed out the porblematic guys before the broadcast. Get it down to a handful of races leading up to the main and be done in 3 hours. I know its a different motorsport, but a page out of the supercross book i feel like would make it more possible. Then again, Supercross seems to have been pushed back to peacock most of the time anyway....
Lucas live on MavTV really effects the product, extra long cautions plus have waited for A main to start so in 10pm window.
Justin you forgot that Lucas has had the same late model events on CBS/same as woo
Yes, we do have it good. Leave it alone.
Too many issues for broadcast TV.
Dirt racing is not great for live TV, especially Sprints because of the prospect of multiple extended reds. Streaming is a whole different game because people watching on streaming are purists who understand the sport and accept the delays.
Dirt racing absolutely would work on a tape delay basis so they could edit the event into something that works for the rhythms of broadcast/cable TV.
That better not be my shirt you are wearing. Lol
Streaming is great. We all know what happens when you chase money and make that the most important thing. Dirt racing has never had it better with streaming access.
Medium shirts coming?
Not in this round. Have a really hard time selling smalls and mediums, so I didn't get any this time.
I will stick with the live stream pay per view I have tried that watching later stuff and someone always let out who one before you watch it I don’t mind paying so long as it’s live
I wouldnt mind if the big races were on TV. Also a better investment for WRG might be to bring back "workin woody" lol i loved that rig.
And like you have said before it's really are hidden Jem
Bring back TNN Motorsports.
Once the streaming services became reliable, I've always said I'd much prefer them on dedicated services vs TV.
Curious if you’re in a wheelchair? I’ve never seen you standing. It doesn’t matter content is awesome. Just curious.
No, not in a wheelchair. Perfectly healthy thankfully.
Dirt track racing is already dieing out with all the big money races with the big boys now local tracks are fading away
TV is about dead anyway. No one under 50 has cable.
You aren't wrong
Tv is dead endless ads and endless repeats have killed it for me. I cancelled my cable.I also haven’t watched crash car since around 2000 it’s all about money.
I was at my friend Ryan's Friday night and we were watching Attica under vision the coverage was horrible the the camera work was horrible there were moments of just silence nothing being said seemed very amateur
I had cbs spots for a while and Lucas oil late model dirt series and both series coverage has gotten awful just one camera and the at track announcer
Stick to APP subscription... TV is a decaying legacy media...NASCAR ratings drop are no secret
After watching NASCAR turn itself into SHAMCAR I would have no interest in watching any dirt racing on broadcast TV. The way they changed the way they covered their racing helped destroy it. I'd rather watch the kids race karts at Millbridge on DIRTVision than watch any SHAMCAR event. If High Limit goes to Fox it will destroy itself too.
Mav tv shows it
Dirt racing is too rough neck for network tv.. too much fighting and cussing etc... but I do believe if they would show the big shows (chili bowl, late model dream, wrld 100, kings royal) on TV tht would help the sport reach new audiences and even reach new sponsorships
Dirt racing is too visceral 8:43 for television. A person can only see or hear what cameras and microphones pick up. You can't feel anything. To me that feeling is like a drug. Just knowing who wins is just not as satisfying in my opinion.
This is an april fool's joke
Yeah let’s not corporatize another good sport and ruin it.
You talk to much
This is a talk show.