Star Wars: Is The Favreau/Filoni Universe In Decline
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- John and the crew discuss whether or not the Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni Star Wars Universe is in decline. Dave Filoni is an animation producer who has been involved in various ways with Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels, Star Wars Forces of Destiny, Star Wars Resistance, The Mandalorian, Star Wars: The Bad Batch, The Book of Boba Fett, Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi, the ongoing series Ahsoka, and the upcoming series Star Wars: Skeleton Crew.
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I honestly don’t remember the hate for Mando season 2. Maybe it’s because I liked it so much and didn’t pay attention to the noise. But season 3 was just bland and I felt that the Mandalorians story got left behind for something else
No the on s2. The thematic narrative was sound. Emotional. It was what they did with that narrative emotion that hurt people.
No one hated s2, but the narrative deviated away from Mando to a bunch of clone wars stuff. It wasnt about Din anymore
To ask the question is to answer it.
Well said
No. Some people are just being overdramatic, at least in terms of the quality of the content.
Time for Star Wars to get back in a theater. The Disney+ formula is played out and all the shows just feel small and cheap. Except Andor maybe.
And Dave Filoni is 49. When is he becoming this great director?
Dave Filoni has only directed 6 episodes of live action television ever. I think its fair to give him some time. Prior to 2019, he was exclusively an animation guy.
@@datguy3581 he still directs like an animations guy and the writing of one....no bueno
Anybody saying that disney+ formula is played out and the disney plus live action star wars shows look cheap and small does not know what they are talking about and is incorrect.
I think it’s funny how a lot of people blamed everyone except Favreau and Filoni for how badly The Book of Boba Fett turned out.
Book of Boba Fett was just fan service. Wasn't great but wasn't horrible. Star Wars had only Mandalorian S1 for experience in the live action TV scene. Nothings gonna be perfect out the gate. Too critical
@@ToddBundy You're entitled to your opinion, but it was horrific. Book of Boba barely had any plot and there was zero structure to any of it. There's a major problem when the 2 best episodes of your show are clearly ripped from another show and don't even feature the title character.
When it comes to Star Wars writers, fans only deal in absolutes. George Lucas, Dave Filoni, JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson, and Jon Favreau are either amazing writers or awful writers and it all depends on whether the last Star Wars project was well received or not.
@@ToddBundy they had 2 seasons of Mando to learn story telling in long format...
Star Wars needs to make movies!
It all depends on who makes them. I'd be down for Tony Gilroy to make another Star Wars movie since Rogue One is generally the least controversial of the Disney era Star Wars movies.
The reason people get so mad when a project comes out and isn't good is because its "chiseled" into canon....forever.
People put too much stock into what's canon. You should be able to enjoy what you enjoy.
Honestly this conversation is irritating. Literally there are tons of viewer's that love Filoni and this new direction. Then there are those that love Andor under Tony Gilroy. You cannot please everyone. Disney should offer all types of Star Wars or accept they cant please everyone. Probably its both.
100% I have loved what Favreau and Filoni have done
You may not be able to please everyone, but there is no question that the live action Filoni has produced has seen sub par and disappointing producttion quality. His shows do not look like they've been made by a multi billion dollar corporation, they look as if they were produced by some indie studio with a very limited budget.
Going from a show like House of the Dragon or Westworld to the Disney Plus Starwars universe is super jarring
@@dv4497the shows look nice! You’re tripping! This isn’t the Mcu we are talking about
Well said
@@bobd2078 They really don't. The overuse of the Volume stage really limits the type of shots they can get, especially action wise. HBO is an example of a studio that consistently has highly produced shows. Filoni's production quality is just sub par with the exception of Andor, which Filoni had nothing to do with.
Just give me something NEW with Star Wars. They have been mining the time span between the original trilogy to the prequels to the sequel trilogy to death. Expand the timelines, show us new things. And I MISS seeing the operatic scale of Star Wars on the big screen. I really enjoyed the 1st two seasons of mando and I do love Andor. But Star Wars is about imagination and being new. Drop this time period and show us Old Republic or crap anything outside the box. Not this fan service crap that gets recycled every new show. I just want imagination and risk with Star Wars, which is what George Lucas did with the original trilogy. And please god put it on the big screen! Show me a space opera on a GRAND SCALE which is what Star Wars deserves.
After Andor i lost interest in some of the standard fare in star wars. Skipped Mando 3 etc. I want more of that serious provoking tone instead. If Andor 2 happens I'll be there, or something similar
Jar Jar Binks say “Yousa correct! Star Wars not like it used to be!”
It’s difficult to compare viewership because Mando was so popular in lockdown. Literally no one had anything else to do..
Not to mention that the first show that splashed onto the scene was always going to bring in bigger numbers than the 4th and 5th show five years later…
Yeah. I'm not sure it would have done quite as well under different circumstances.
The only one I thought was definitionally bad was Boba Fett. Mandalorian S3 was underwhelming and Obi-Wan should just be edited into a 2 hour movie. If you include Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch, Tales of the Jedi into your analysis, then Filoni has been the biggest boon to Star Wars in a long time. I get more of a sense of a roadmap with him and Favreau than I ever did under JJ Abrams/Rian Johnson.
Mando s3 just felt noticeably worse in the writing department. The dialogue, pacing, and character motivation just isn't where it used to be. And I think the season suffered from not having the looming threats that the first two seasons had.
The retcon of season 2 finale of mando killed it for me.
Same here.
Tony Gilroy gets Star Wars
They need to keep him around after Andor. Maybe let him do a second movie.
I’d love it it they committed to having at least one Andor-esque show at a time moving forward.
That’s also what they said about faverau and filoni 3 years ago
@@goldenlightpictures6223 Gilroy has a better track record. Between Michael Clayton, Nightcrawler, Rogue One, the Bourne trilogy, and Andor, his stuff is just consistently good and he’s been doing it for over a decade.
Mandalorian was popular because people were disappointed with the sequel trilogy. Andor is like the anti Mandalorian. No cameos or fan service. Deep, meaningful characters arcs with thematic value and well crafted dialogue.
They are out of ideas, and now it really shows.
I think it's in decline also because they are alienating alot of casual viewers with these references to shows that many people have not seen. Also, they are always setting up to the next thing with no payoff up to this point, so some people might be tired of waiting.
Here is the problem with Star Wars. Its a simple problem and cant be fixed. The fan base is BIG. There are way too many people. You please one half and by doing that you piss off the other.
@moak3688 While that would help. I don't think it would fix everything. The Star Wars fandom is massive and now spreads multiple generations. Some people think the OG trilogy is the best Star Wars has ever been and some (like me) grew up loving the prequels. My sister is a massive Star Wars fan now but she got into it because of SW Rebels
Biggest issue for me, I can't stand waiting week to week for episodes. I prefer binge watching. I would rather wait until all episodes are released. It's ads and commercials that pull me out of the story. Waiting a week is much the same. Recap or not
Im one of those people who adored The Book of Boba Fett. I think its a fun show and it reminds me so much of ps2 game Star Wars Bounty Hunter.
Well if the crimson dawn was on the show it could been interesting
Imo each episode of Boba Fett was plenty entertaining, it was just a weird patched together narrative for a season of television. Still, not the train wreck the comment critics would like you to think it is.
I appreciate the dramatic heft of a new location being in a new galaxy for what it is. In a world where you have hyperdrive that takes you anywhere, I see how from a story standpoint this felt “bigger.” Mortis and Magick are just the most interesting lore building we’ve had in the non-movie material. It’s cool to get into it with live action.
when was it in incline?
Book of Boba should have been Robert Rodriguez bringing Desperado/Once Upon a Time in Mexico to SW in movie form, not TV
i used to get excited when some new star wars things dropped, i’ve been realized that now i just feel nothing, the magic of starwars is gone
George: "I want to make fun scifi adventures that my kids would like one day."
Radical fans for the next 40 years: "REEEEEEEEEEE"
George: "My kids are grown up. Disney give me a billion and make sure it stays kid friendly. F these man children."
Piss into the wind all you want. Star Wars is never changing.
No it’s on the rise
I’d say a it has a rise of division. It may come back to last Jedi levels of infighting.
This is what happens when no one tempers their expectations.
Damn straight. That why I don't do that and I will never be hugely disappointed. I really enjoyed the show
People also need to understand that they’re not kids anymore, and this stuff just doesn’t feel as magical anymore as an adult. You want to get a taste of the old magic, watch with a kid and you’ll see it’s still there.
As long as Star Wars isn’t releasing movies in theaters it is declined.
Star Wars wasn't in great shape when the movies were coming out. The shows have much more of a strong core fanbase. Mandalorian and Andor were great at reaching out to new audiences.
You can never recreate season 2 of Mando. Mando season 3 looked rushed, the Gina Corano debacle didn’t help. As a result Rangers of the new republic got shelved.
Andor is the best thing that came out of Disney, that truly was awesome. The rest is mid at best
1000000% agree
If not this new direction then what the hell direction should they take? Remakes? I love this new direction.
The declining in viewership with these shows has more to do with the distrust fans have with Disneys treatment of Star Wars. Fans get hyped for Obi Wan, it disappoints fans, this affects the viewership for Andor (a great show). Fans get hyped for Mando S3, it disappoints, affects Asoka viewership (most fans who watched liked it). The cycle continues. Unfortunately the Acolyte will probably be the final nail in the coffin of the very little remaining trust fans have in Lucasfilm. Eliminating any chance for any future projects to be successful. Fans are tired of paying money to see something they love be disrespected the way it has.
This conversation is weird to me. Our family loved Ashoka. My friends loved it. I understand that if you didn’t watch rebels then it won’t hit as well, but what if it was mostly made for rebels fans. Is that wrong? I don’t believe Ashoka is universally disliked. That’s not the narrative I’m hearing.
literally not true @@bdove2007
@@bdove2007no it isn’t. The lowest viewed show was Andor
@@bdove2007 I guess what I am saying is that show rating don’t always define success. If money is the determiner, then we we need to re-evaluate how we rate films. I never would have expected Ashoka to get great ratings. I think they knew what kind of show they wanted to make, and overall, did a very nice job. It isn’t perfect but I quite enjoyed it.
@@MrHavy09 He didn't say it was the lowest viewed show. He said it was ONE OF the lowest viewed Star Wars shows.
Yep - Book of Boba's Friends...A book that turned out to be emptier than a hermits address book! 😂
I just wish star wars could be more original instead of so much nostalgia
Out curiosity, are you a new fan or long term fan?
But if Mandalorian season 1 did not have baby Yoda would it be so successful? Or would be " it was ok "?
I think it's time for a reboot but not under Disney
Star Wars fans would hate the original trilogy if it came out today.
Yup, the moment Leia says she’s taking charge in the first movie they’d scream WOKE!
That really doesn't make sense, and is somewhat a paradox.
The OT happened in a world and culture that simply doesn't exist today. There's a context that just doesn't translate, and can't, because it's success built the franchise.
But, original movies or franchises can still be introduced today, and satisfy a majority of viewers. Kill Bill, though not recent, is a good example. Or GOT, save for maybe the last season.... Peter Jackson's LOTR, or even Marvel up to endgame...
Polarization among fandom is not a new thing, and certainly not unique to Star Wars.
Exactly.
The OT would not comment on the world today and the history that led up to it in the same way that it did in ‘77 when it perfectly distilled the fears of the Cold War Armageddon, Nazi’s taking over the world, and losing humanity to the Industrial Revolution.
@@JerryHazard Kevin Feige was behind Controversial Secret Invasion Ending
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I will admit, I like what I've seen in the MCU! (Oh the butt kisser!) If Kevin Feige wants something, he gets it. It gives the complainers on YT something to gripe about with the MCU. Perfection can get boring. I think Endgame set such a high standard, the the phase coming right after that movie was bound to disappoint fans.
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It didn’t disappoint fans tho.
Marvel's Phase 4 movies = a critical average of 76% on Rotten
Tomatoes and an audience average of 89%. The shows = a critical average grade of 91% and an audience average of 80%.
‘MCU Bad!’ Is just a popular bandwagon trend on social media. Not reflective of real world sentiments.
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@Kalle_Demos thanks for that! Reading some of these comments make it seem like few people like them.
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Spoiler alert....No!
Look, these shows aren’t perfect (or close to it), but they haven’t been anywhere near as bad as a lot of people make them out to be, and I think it’s fair to say that in the eyes of general audiences, these shows have been pretty successful so far. That being said, I think they’d be wise to reign in the content and keep it as sparse and fresh as they possibly can. Let’s also not forget that it’s only been like a year (if that) since 90% of us were gushing over Andor. Star Wars is fine, people just need to maybe step back and not overanalyze every little detail in every episode all the time.
Exactly. I feel like people are holding these projects to unreasonable standards. I don’t even think any of them have been bad period. Have there been some lesser ones? Sure, but none flat out bad imo. Even the lesser of the bunch are still well above average imo. People are starting to nitpick and it’s dumb to do so imo.
ehm, Fett was trash, Kenobi was a miss, hell even the fan edit was better lol. Mando s3 was a let down, Mando s2 was good, but it was a lot of Mando not evolving as a character. Andor reached high standards.
@@edmundoramirez87 There’s a difference between a “let down” or “disappointment” and “garbage” or “trash”. People have been insanely hyperbolic regarding these shows and Star Wars in general. I think a fair minded reviewer would put most of these shows in the “good, but not great” category, and a few, like Fett, in the “just okay” category. None of them have been a complete train wreck like some of you like to say in hyperbolic tangents.
Boba Fett should’ve been the Tony Soprano of the Filoniverse.
I saw the acolyte trailer at SW celebration Europe, I was really impressed. I can’t wait to see it.
apparently people that know the story say its fantastic. Should be very good
I haven't seen any evidence of Favreau since Mando S2. His name was on S3 but I don't think that season has his touch at all. Filoni's balls are in KK's purse I think Favreau has checked out.
Last words i heard him say was 'im going to focus on ashoka which i knew was bs
Well waiting years for next season sucks and having only 6 ep sucks
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Ahsoka season finale was very mid. Storytelling wise the season was for nothing. Ahsoka traded places with Ezra. Not really logical.
Tony Gilroy has a gr8 show in Andor s1
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Amazing summary! Love the tims stamps for saving my time!
What happen is after the Mando success, executives took over. 😅😅😅
I don't know if executives took over but something happened. I think the Mando crew should've just focused on one or two shows instead of a bunch of different shows.
completely agree that boba should of been a bad guy!
Filoni has been given more control and Favreau less.
I believe it's declined because when you look at Star Wars you think of big scale movies. There's no movie tied to it for something to look for that makes the series not that exciting and you can watch it anytime.
All Manndo verse will tie into heir of the empire film
Counter-point to Kris Carr: there's a saying in comic books, "every jumping on point is also a jumping off point." Your fandome doesn't grow if more people are leaving then are arriving. Catering completely to old fans won't grow your fan base, but being totally newbie friendly won't grow your fan base either. I left after the Last Jedi, I had been a SW fan for decades, bought the toys, bought the comics, bought merchandise. The Last Jedi was my breaking point. Maybe the new SW stuff is creating new fans, and maybe the downward trajectory is that more people are leaving them are arriving. Also, I didn't watch Mando season 1; that road leads to the sequel trilogy, which was enough for me to pass on it.
Why would anyone be excited for The Acolyte?
It’s a story from a unexplored era so there is less constraint on the story, it is from the perspective of the sith, the cast is strong, the director has directed for Daredevil, Punisher and The Witcher Season 1, the plot sounds fun
Might not be for everybody but I know plenty of people who are excited for it
New era in Star Wars is a MUST, not to mention it's from the point of view of the Darkside
I am mainly because it takes place a little bit after the High Republic. Star Wars is a massive franchise now with multiple eras. We have stuck to the Skywalker era for far too long tbh.
It seems like filoni is making tv shows for his own core fanbase. Why even have a ashoka tv show?
Disney has made Star Wars, what use to be a cinematic experience into a tv series on a dying streaming platform. Star Wars has been dead for awhile now.
I genuinely wish I understood what John has seen that’s made him think Filoni will be a “remarkable” live action director in the future. Everything I’ve seen him do in live action feels average at best. I wish I didn’t feel that way, but I’ve seen nothing remotely remarkable with his LA stuff
Good writing makes or breaks a story's quality and truly good writers are a rarity. That's why whether it be the MCU or Star Wars or any other property, you rarely see something that is not just good, but consistently good.
If you take a step back and examine the entire franchise, both current canon and legends both, Star Wars writing has arguably only received critical acclaim on 2 occasions: the original Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn and Andor by Tony Gilroy and his team.
I think there are more - just maybe more obscure projects. I'd argue Knights of the Old Republic is up there in terms of writing quality. But overall, yes, Star Wars has never really been top of the crop when it comes to writing quality. As much as I love Rebels, it's not House of the Dragon or The Wire quality. Filoni just doesn't have it in him unfortunately. I will continue to enjoy what he creates - but I don't expect the entire world to go crazy about his creations.
Yeah. Star Wars as a whole was never amazing in that department. But I do think they should try and get some more experienced writers on board. They might be able to replicate the success of Andor that way.
The problem with Mandalorian was they should have known they would eventually write themselves into a corner. You can only do so much with him and his buddy running around, running away and running into trouble trying to save that baby. Season 1 had strong episode 1 and 2 but they ran out of ideas mid way through with two shitty episodes while the rest was ok.
I'm part of the decline of Mando viewership. I did watch the first two episodes of Season 3 but quickly fell off because I didn't want to watch it really. I was into the first two seasons with the mission to get Grogu home and once Luke collected him, well mission accomplished.
Asohka actually made me more interested in this whole universe. I started watching Clone Wars to catch up and just get more content. Mando season 3 was disappointing, but I feel like that is more outside interference that caused that to be disappointing. Anything but Rey Skywalker please.
I consider them the duct tape of the Star Wars universe since they're patching up holes
George Lucas was a great writer. That's what's missing. I can only remember 2 lines from Disney Wars: they fly now? And, somehow Palpatine returned.
I disagree on the "Great Writer" part. Great is loosely used. George Lucas is a genius for cresting the sandbox we know as star wars. Leaving it open to create and move forward, but Great writer???? Arguably, the best movie wasn't him just writing it, Kasdan and Bracket wrote much of what Empire is.
Thr Prequels are a hot mess 😅. Time won't make them better movies. What he has in those Prequels at least is a plan and consistency.
I just wanna see more lightsabers combat
Without Dave Filoni Star Wars would be in shambles. He is the singular reason Star Wars is still being made with so much gravitas.
All of Tony Gilroy's stuff has been relatively well received
Uh Tony Gilroy has done fantastic, Force Awakens very widely well received. No one watched "Resistance." Clone Wars was okay until the later seasons, and all of this Filoni-verse is hit or miss. He isn't the savior, he like everyone else.
Mando season 3 was the lowest point in TV Star Wars. Mando is dead in the water as far as Im concerned. In my opinion its time to shift back to movies. TV series are diluting the coolness of Star Wars, especially the Jedi and lightsaber combat. The only shining light is Andor but season 2 is thankfully the last so they can't beat that to the ground.
Disney+'s handling of all their IPs burned all their IPs to the ground.
They shoulda gone back to 1 Star Wars movie every other year and 2 Marvel movies a year. Not doing that has destroyed them.
not declining at all some great storytelling some not so but they've delivered the best star wars from Disney. john is just a nitpicker at this stage .
He literally read the numbers. Are the stats lying too?
Give me the Old Republic!
People complain about Disney and hold the OT as the greatest and it was. But they HATE the Special Edition and that wasn't even Disney it was George Lucas himself. My point is these bastards will never be satisfied. Ashoka and Andor were both great. Mandalorian seasons 1 and 2 were great. I het the gripe with Ashoka and I understand is that not everyone has seen Clone Wars or Rebels so they don't feel as connected. Also the Big decline is we are no longer as Stay at Home Pandemic! 😂
I'd rather have one big show that tells the story of all these characters. I am very curious to see Andor's season 2 viewership. Whether it drops or climbs, it's gonna be very important in identifying the real problems.
Andor was incredible, one of the best pieces of genre tv ever made, but it wasn’t what most Star Wars fans want. No Jedi, no lightsabers, no space battles, no mention of The Force. It was a ground based story of ordinary people fighting oppression. It was set in the Star Wars universe but it was not traditional Star Wars and that’s why it didn’t do the numbers it deserved for the amazing writing and acting and production values it had.
The one thing Season 2 may have going for it is, what they like to call, memberberries. I think we could see Vader in this, maybe Palpatine, Tarkin, Krennic, Galen/Jyn Urso. Could we even see a young Leia? They could all justifiably be involved in the build up to Rogue One and that could bump up the numbers. You put Vader in the trailer for Andor S2 and you may see excitement rise for that show. The show has earned the right to include some of those characters too.
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The problem is that the Filoni-verse is being held back by the sequel trilogy happening 20 years down the timeline.
We keep getting lame excuses for there not being an awesome galactic conflict and Luke building a cool Jedi order because the sequels have made a strict timeline of events to justify their existence.
Na, poor plot writing is killing this genre, Filoni needs to get complex layered writers. He's stuck in his own sandbox
The story doesn't need a giant galactic conflict or Luke Skywalker. It needs to tell a new story.
"filoni is going to be a remarkable live action director" Man... really? Even though it's pretty obvious that the problem is he writes and directs live action like it's cartoon?
The last star wars thing i watched was Rise of Skywalker. It was such a nothing movie that i knew it was over! Since then i've just been watching it burn!
Has been going downhill after force awakens, just by looking at the box office numbers we can see it, Mando season one gave a glimmer of hope but the fan base was already very damaged, since then it has never really come back strong, in my opinion Andor was the best thing they have done since Mando season 1 but a lot of people had already given up so the viewership unfortunately never gave it justice.
Clone wars and rebels were great . Ahsoka was slow, wooden and illogical . Just admit it people
I don't think so. I enjoy the Star Wars tv shows.
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Kris is spot on
The casual audience only cares about the films
But the expanded universe
Is for the die hard nerds
Not for a casuals
Disney does not understand that Star Wars audience
These shows should be animated and smaller budget.
Kris is right. Fandom is win or lose, there is no in between
Time jump a few hundred years and do a soft reboot
I don't think a reboot is needed. Just better writing and directing. Maybe they should just wrap up the Mandoverse story and then move on with some new blood in the writing room.
U cannot go that far because Star Wars universe is very small and limited. It seems big, but its really not
If they’re going to “reboot” finding a new era in time is definitely the way to do it.
Really I think it more has to do with the fact that people are waking up to the fact that Jon Favereau doesn't produce consistently good content. When Mando season 1 came out people ignored the major flaws the show had because they were excited they had something fun to wash the taste of the Sequel Trilogy from their mouths but now the tolerance for those issues has pretty much come to a end and they expect more from the shows.
Even Dave Filoni isn't immune to this. I think he has a higher percentage success rate when it comes to consistency then Jon but even he's not perfect. I never felt he's figured out how to do a great job with pacing because even back in the early clone wars days his stuff has had pacing issues.
I think filoni and jon Favor have been doing an amazing job, and they have yet to miss. Every show has been either good or great so why slow down now BRING ON THE CONTENT
Nah book of boba and Mando season 3 were pretty bad
BOBF and Mando 3 were meh. They had writing, pacing, and production issues.
Mando S1 was fine. Thats it. To make that SW was always going to be a mistake.
Ashoka was pretty good. Had some really great moments, but definitely lacked a lot in the most important areas. Andor is easily the best Star Wars show and should be the type of shoes they continue to make.
People didn't not like Mandalorian season two. Complaints were only about the ice spider episode.
My only gripe is I've never been a fan of 8 episode live action shows over movies and 20 episode animated shows and probably never will be.
Star Wars acolytes show will change Star Wars forever remember the show is based in the high republic era we’re Jedis were at their golden robes phases
Depends if its any good
Ya'll know what "opinion" means? Relax, it's really not that serious if someone has a different opinion than you. If you think someone not liking a Star Wars TV show as a personal attack against yourself well, I don't knoe what to tell ya.
yea you just dont understand at all. dont comment if you dont understand
@@seanmaffia Don't understand what? That Star Wars is the most important thing in all of life? That your sense of self worth is tied to a TV show? That people are only allowed to have an opinion if it lines up with yours? Yikes.
CW star wars been going on for a while now
Andor viewership was horrible, being in the company of andor is a massive L
This is a non-issue. Everything is fine.
Who are these “everybody” you keep talking about?
Besides not caring about the movie that is coming out, if you have hardly anyone watching the show that the movie is built on, how are you expecting to get massive numbers of people into the theaters?
most watched show in september stop hating
They don't have to make the shows necessary for the movie. For example, they can just introduce Thrawn to the general audience in the movie. It likely isn't essential storytelling to see exactly how he got off this planet.
Too be honest all the new shows should have been made as movies star wars is big screen movies
You said normally 6 episodes in a Star Wars show but I’m pretty sure only one show has had 6 eps. Everything else has been 8 or 12
Yeah, no, Dave Filoni is Star Wars right now and needs to take KK's place
KK is president of Lucasfilm. That isn't a creative role really. It's more of a business role.
@@datguy3581 True, but if what I hear is true (and I believe it to be) as a business woman, she is taking the creative side away from people and not totally letting them do what they want
John I have to admit your a hater
He literally says he likes Mando season 1 and 2
16:26 I love the "inbreeding" metaphor!! I 100% agree
Now we need a clone wars live action trilogy. Adapting the new canon meeting of anikan and thrawn? Have Lars do the voice but cast a younger actor as thrawn. Deaged anikan and padme. Also I would like to see an annual animation series that covers character and time between trilogy episodes and trilogy in general. Also I would love to see more force ghosts coming together to help others not strong in the force to materialize. Also I believe force ghosts can appear younger. So young Yoda yaddle, Biggs and especially bail organa and even dooku all the people Vader killed.
No “we” don’t. It’s puzzling that the weakest, dumbest bits of Star Wars grow like a cancer. Star Wars is a great case why copyright should not exist. Disney could make this idiot stuff with the “roger roger” droids that are about as menacing as a sleeping poodle, and old fans can have their old school Star Wars, where Kenobi casually cuts off a guys arm at the slightest provocation, and the aliens looked like nightmarish muppets.
@@Anerisian sounds like a jaded old fogee.
Come on man this is all coming from a guy who LOVE TLJ. John has had some good takes on other things but Starwars is not really his thing. I know he says he is a HUGE fan but we know better. Have to grow the story of Starwars and Ashoke really is the beginning give it time.
Your take his worse than his. Everyone has the right to choose what they decide to like and dislike. he likes TLJ so his opinion is invalid ? Makes no sense.
John isn't entirely wrong. I think he didn't understand parts of the story but admittedly it isn't the best.
@datguy3581 I would look at it like this. With all the trash like TLJ and that mess. They are building up agian. This is a new beginning and introducing characters to a new audience. It takes time to build up and they are doing a great job but they have to win back the fans they lost.
He doesn't love TLJ. He likes it. He loves TFA.
@@chriscorbett8715I think you're correct - they are pandering to new fans, leaving those who may be critical (and those who made it a franchise in the first place) in the dust.
Thing is, the new fan base will never elevate Disney Star Wars to the level it was pre TFA.